CRIME Two preteen girls charged as adults in stabbing of 12-year-old 19 times in planned murder - UPDATE, post 37

Two preteen girls charged as adults in stabbing of 12-year-old 19 times in planned murder plot: cops

The girls, both aged 12, have been charged as adults after allegedly luring a friend into a Waukesha, Wis., park and savagely stabbing her to please a mythological creature named Slender Man, which they learned about online, according to prosecutors.

Two 12-year-old girls have been charged as adults in the attempted murder of another 12-year-old girl whom prosecutors say was stabbed 19 times to please a mythological creature they learned about online.

The two girls, charged Monday with first-degree attempted homicide, face up to 60 years in prison if convicted in the savage Saturday morning attack in a Waukesha, Wis., park, according to prosecutors.

According to a criminal complaint, one of the two girls told a detective they were trying to become “proxies" of a mythological demon-like character called Slender Man, which they learned about on creepypasta.wikia.com, a website about horror stories and legends.
The slaughter of their friend, whom they baited after a sleepover, had been planned since at least December, one girl told a detective.

They said they invited the girl over Friday night and, after failing to kill her that night, lured her to a park in the morning where they played a game of hide-and-go-seek.

Police said the game ended with them grabbing the girl, holding her down and stabbing her 19 times in the arms, legs and torso.

The girls then planned to run away to the demon’s forest mansion in the Nicolet National Forest after the slaying, the complaint said.

“I recognize their young ages, but it’s still unbelievable,” Court Commissioner Thomas Pieper said during one of the girls’ initial court appearances Monday.

One girl told a detective that she sees Slender Man in her dreams. She said he watches her and can read her mind and teleport.

Police, in their first press conference after seeing the website, described the girls as having a twisted affinity for "death and horror."

During the stabbing attack, one girl told the other to “go ballistic, go crazy,” according to the complaint.

The victim began to scream that she hated them and started stumbling away, one of the girls told police.

The victim, who was found by a bicyclist after crawling out of the woods, was rushed into surgery and remained in stable condition Monday.

They allegedly left her lying in the woods, allowing her to crawl away to a road where she was discovered by a bicyclist at about 9:50 a.m.

Doctors told police that one stab wound missed a major artery near her heart by a millimeter.

The two girls were arrested several hours later by a Waukesha County Sheriff's Deputy. The knife believed to have been used has also been recovered.

In their first court appearance Monday, the girls appeared shackled and in jail jumpsuits.

Family members of one of the girls wept openly as reporters snapped photographs. The other girl’s family sat stone-faced.

Because one of the two girls’ attorneys plans to pursue moving her case to a juvenile court, where proceedings are secret, their names are not being publicly released at this time.


Two preteen girls charged as adults in stabbing of 12-year-old 19 times in planned murder plot: cops

Too much TV? Unsupervised i'net activity? What the hell is the world coming to....

Allowing a child to grow up utterly unchurched, unaware of the ten commandments, God's love and plan for them, God's creation, God's provision, God's counsel and invitation to seek him for help is utterly irresponsible. But then we have the ignorant raising the ignorant now don't we. Shame and guilt have been outlawed from the vocabulary. Children are now taught "God is dead" and bad is good, wrong is right and right is wrong.
Waiting till a child is an adult and letting them THEN "choose their own religion" has not proven wise counsel. Evil spirits are every bit as real as the Holy Spirit and While not as powerful as God, once invited in, they have MORE POWER than men, without God's help and protection, can resist or control.

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a classic case of demonic influence..... and it will only get worse.

What's happened to this world, they should be playing with dolls.


Morgan Geyser



Anissa Weier

I would doubt they can be "redeemed" in this life. I wouldn't ever trust them out on the streets again, that's for sure.

CGTech said:

a classic case of demonic influence..... and it will only get worse.

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I have no doubts you are correct that demonic influence will continue to get worse than we can imagine.

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Charges detail Waukesha pre-teens' attempt to kill classmate

By Ellen Gabler of the Journal Sentinel
June 2, 2014

The 12-year-old girls had been plotting the murder for months, police say.

Morgan E. Geyser was allowed to have two friends over each year for her birthday. This year, she'd celebrate on May 30. That is the day she and Anissa E. Weier would try to kill their friend during a sleepover.

On Monday, the two Waukesha girls were charged in Waukesha County Circuit Court as adults with attempted first-degree intentional homicide, each facing up to 65 years in prison. Their victim, another 12-year-old from Waukesha, was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both, according to a criminal complaint. All three attend Horning Middle School in Waukesha.

Geyser and Weier are being held on $500,000 bail each. The pre-teens attempted murder, they told police, to pay homage to a fictional character who they believed was real after reading about him on a website devoted to horror stories.

On Saturday, a bicyclist found the victim, lying on the sidewalk and covered in blood, with injuries to her arms, legs and torso. She had managed to crawl out of the woods, where the suspects had left her. She was rushed to a hospital, where she was in stable condition Monday evening, but fighting for her life.

A Waukesha County sheriff's deputy found Geyser and Weier hours later, walking near I-94 in Waukesha. A knife with a five-inch blade was in Weier's backpack.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel normally does not name juveniles involved in crimes, but is naming the suspects because they are in adult court and because of the severity of the charges. A criminal complaint filed Monday detailed the allegations.

Both suspects explained the stabbing to police referencing their dedication to Slender Man, the character they discovered on a website called Creepypasta Wiki, which is devoted to horror stories.

Weier told police that Slender Man is the "leader" of Creepypasta, and in the hierarchy of that world, one must kill to show dedication. Weier said that Geyser told her they should become "proxies" of Slender Man — a paranormal figure known for his ability to create tendrils from his fingers and back — and kill their friend to prove themselves worthy of him. Weier said she was surprised by Geyser's suggestion, but also excited to prove skeptics wrong and show that Slender Man really did exist.

The suspects believed that "Slender," as Weier called him, lived in a mansion in the Nicolet National Forest in northern Wisconsin. The plan was to kill the victim and walk to Slender's mansion.

After school on Friday, Weier told police, she and Geyser went to Weier's house, where she packed a backpack with clothes, granola bars, water bottles and a picture of her mother, father and siblings. She didn't want to forget what her family looked like after leaving for Slender's mansion.

The girls then went to Geyser's house. With Geyser's father, they picked up the victim and all went to Skateland.

They came home around 9:30 p.m. and went to sleep in Geyser's room.

Geyser and Weier originally had planned to commit the murder at 2 a.m. Saturday, according to the criminal complaint. They'd duct tape their victim's mouth, stab her in the neck and pull the covers up to make it look like she was sleeping. Then they'd run.

But the plans changed after they'd been out rollerskating Friday night. Instead, they'd try to kill her in a bathroom at a nearby park the next morning. Weier knew there was a drain in the floor for the blood to go down, she told police.

'This was really happening'

The next morning, Geyser's mom said they could go and play in David's Park, on S. East Ave., just north of Les Paul Parkway. As they left, Geyser lifted up the left side of her white jacket; the knife was tucked in her waistband. Weier told police she gave Geyser a look with "wide eyes." When asked by police what that meant, Weier said, "I thought, dear God, this was really happening."

Weier said they eventually ended up in the park bathroom where Weier planned stab her friend. Once in the bathroom, Geyser handed Weier the knife, and Weier indicated that Geyser tried to restrain the victim, but Geyser had a "nervous breakdown" and Weier had to calm her down.

Weier then suggested they go for a walk, pointing out a wooded area near Rivera Drive and Big Bend Road. They could play hide and seek, distract the victim, then kill her. Geyser was the first "seeker," and Weier and the victim hid. Weier told the victim where to hide and told her to lie facedown in the dirt. The girl refused. Weier then pushed the victim and sat on her, thinking Geyser could stab her. But the victim began to yell and complain that she couldn't breathe. She was attracting attention, so Weier got off her.

Geyser gave Weier the knife, but Weier said she told Geyser she was too squeamish and gave it back.

Weier said that once Geyser got the knife back, Geyser told Weier, "I'm not going to until you tell me to." Weier said she started walking away from Geyser and then told her, "Go ballistic, go crazy." Geyser said she would go ballistic, and Weier said, "Now."

Weier said Geyser then tackled the victim and started stabbing her. The victim was screaming. Weier said when Geyser got off the victim, the victim screamed, "I hate you. I trusted you."

Weier said the victim tried to walk toward the street but was stumbling. They didn't want anyone to see her, so Weier grabbed her arm and pulled her away from the street. The victim fell. Weier said the victim couldn't breathe, see or walk. Weier told the victim to lie down and be quiet — she would lose blood more slowly. Weier told police she gave the victim those instructions so she wouldn't draw attention to herself, and so she would die. Weier told the victim they were going to get her help; but they never planned on actually doing so. They hoped she would die, and they would see Slender and know he existed. With the victim lying on the ground, they began to back away.

When police asked Weier if she knew what it meant to kill someone, Weier said, "I believe it's ending a life and I regret it." Weier also said, "The bad part of me wanted her to die, the good part of me wanted her to live."

'I didn't feel remorse'

Geyser's report to police was much shorter.

She confirmed the details of Weier's interview with law enforcement officials, but said she thought that Weier stabbed the victim first.

"Weier put the knife in my hand and then I continued to stab her," the complaint quoted Geyser.

When asked how many times Geyser thought she stabbed the victim, Geyser said she did not know; all she heard was screaming.

At one point, when talking with police, Geyser said she was sorry. She said she had put the knife back into her bag and wiped it off on her jacket. She then told a detective, "It was weird that I didn't feel remorse."

Geyser said they had to do it or "he would kill our family." When asked who "he" was, Geyser said she didn't know him. When asked what she was trying to do when she stabbed her friend, Geyser said, "I may as well just say it: Kill her."

When asked about Slender Man, Geyser said she had never met him but said he watches her and he can read minds and teleport. Geyser said what she did was "probably wrong." She asked a detective if it is illegal to stab someone in self-defense. The detective said sometimes, and asked her if that was what happened in this instance.

No, she said.

In court on Monday, Geyser's family members broke into tears several times during her appearance.

"The family is very horrified at what has happened," attorney Donna Kuchler said.

Waukesha County District Attorney Brad Schimel stressed the girls were innocent until proven guilty, but added he has never encountered allegations like this as a prosecutor.

"Most of the time in a crime like this, with such violence like this, there's spur of the moment, there's the heat of passion," he said.

This time, he said, it was calculated.

"It's troubling when a person lashes out in anger," he said. "It's more troubling when they lash out in cold blood. Isn't that the worst kind of killer, the cold-blooded killer?"

Schimel, a Republican running for state attorney general, said he had to bring the case in adult court because of the level of charges against the girls. He said he expected the girls' attorneys to attempt to "reverse waive" them into juvenile court, which he said he would resist.

If moved into juvenile court and convicted, the girls could be held at most until they were 25 years old, Schimel said.

"It's a very shocking incident. There's no two ways about it," Schimel said.

Lydia Mulvany and Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...ths-to-kill-friend-b99282655z1-261534171.html

This appears on the official Creepypasta Wiki website,

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Creepypasta Wiki - Creepy Tour


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvwdfPBtLBw

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Look at this girl's face . . .



. . . she's enjoying the attention she's getting from this.

I watched about 2/3's of that video, Red Baron. It was the most bizzare thing I have seen in a long time. Actually, it made no sense to this old mind.

I guess this is what you get when kids are raised by electronic devises. The human component is missing from their psyche.

Absolutely demonic. Their only chance is spiritual salvation, but even if they manage to exorcise the demons, they must pay the penalty and never see the light of day as free humans again.

Summerthyme

Josie said:

I watched about 2/3's of that video, Red Baron. It was the most bizzare thing I have seen in a long time. Actually, it made no sense to this old mind.

I guess this is what you get when kids are raised by electronic devises. The human component is missing from their psyche.

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I wouldn't watch any of that!
I swear there is something in the games and videos kids are watching and that is NOT tinfoil hat crap either.
I've seen kids faces and the very strange far off gazes when they are watching that stuff and it is not right.
The technology is there that is not woo woo.

I was going to say something about allowing children to surf the web unsupervised and read material like this. But then I remembered that I was reading adult horror fiction by that age and never had any urges to kill someone. On the other hand, my parents made a point of teaching me the difference between reality and fantasy, and the difference between right and wrong.

It would be nice to say that it was that simple - parents failing to install values in their kids. Maybe it was. Maybe it was something else. I'd really like to know if either of these kids was taking an SSRI, for one.

Demonic possession, I'm glad the girl survived and hope that these girls are not only treated as adults but locked away for life because they are clearly psychopaths that will just kill again when released as adults.

Josie said:

I watched about 2/3's of that video, Red Baron. It was the most bizzare thing I have seen in a long time. Actually, it made no sense to this old mind.

I guess this is what you get when kids are raised by electronic devises. The human component is missing from their psyche.

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I agree Josie. This whole thing is unfreaking believable! The girls look like innocent kids. When I was that age I worshiped Danial Boone and the Beatles...

Howdy, Folks.

Looks like Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker all over again.

Based on the pics, I'd say Anissa Weier = Pauline Parker and Morgan Geyser = Juliet Hulme.

Time will tell.

Peace and Love,

Donald Shimoda

12 years old...

that makes me want to puke.

Josie said:

I watched about 2/3's of that video, Red Baron. It was the most bizzare thing I have seen in a long time. Actually, it made no sense to this old mind.

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It was just screen shots from a wiki, fading in and out and moving. There wasn't any meaning or sense. It's a youtube ad to get kids to go to the wiki.

Red Baron said:

This appears on the official Creepypasta Wiki website,

http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Creepypasta_Wiki


Creepypasta Wiki - Creepy Tour

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There is a lot of subliminal imagery and NLP commands built into that video-I've posted here many times with links added to explain how disney is a big part of mind control and MKUltra slavery, I expect this video has a lot more behind it than we realize.

I just heard on Coast to Coast AM (Friday night I believe it was) the man who was responsible for creating SlenderMan or who was discussing the college project that created him-it was an experiment supposedly, to see how quickly urban legends spread, and was, according to him, abandoned when the project was over (if it is).

I suspect that satanism and/or mind control programming is behind this attempted murder, it certainly smells like it.

this is horrible and all, but i don't see how these girlks can be charged as adults when they acted on behalf of "a mythological creature named Slender Man".

I want these girls locked up Forever! My daughters go to school in Waukesha and I cringe at the thought of these two little monsters around my girls. Around ANY children.

this event is beyond horrible . these 2 monsters are evil and should be treated as evil. you dont accidentally stab someone 19 times

ainitfunny said:

Allowing a child to grow up utterly unchurched, unaware of the ten commandments, God's love and plan for them, God's creation, God's provision, God's counsel and invitation to seek him for help is utterly irresponsible. But then we have the ignorant raising the ignorant now don't we. Shame and guilt have been outlawed from the vocabulary. Children are now taught "God is dead" and bad is good, wrong is right and right is wrong.
Waiting till a child is an adult and letting them THEN "choose their own religion" has not proven wise counsel. Evil spirits are every bit as real as the Holy Spirit and While not as powerful as God, once invited in, they have MORE POWER than men, without God's help and protection, can resist or control.

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amen 100%

i see three victims here. the stabbed girl will recover and the other two may well seek God's forgiveness (i pray they do) but their lives are completely ruined (i agree with locking them up forever) because they gave in to demonic influence. it's just sad that people don't teach their kids about personal responsibility any more, or about God's love and guidance.

demonic possession (by invitation) is becoming more common, while recognition of the problem and solution has become completely un-PC, and this entire effect is snowballing. i hate to think what we will have become in 10 more years.

This is going to be an unpopular post, but I end up making it every time a child does something really evil and truly horrible (I am in no way defending the actions) but 12 years old is NOT an adult. 12 Year old girls are not allowed to drive cars, sign a contract, join the military, get married or make other adult decisions. They have not even been considered adults in most traditional societies (that is borderline) although they could suffer adult penalties in the Middle Ages but then so could eight year old children and I don't think we really want to revisit that one.

The girls are alleged (ok have) committed a brutal, horrific and I shall use the term down-right evil act; but they have no business being tried as adults because they are NOT adults. If society is to have any claim to "civilization" it has to deal with some serious and difficult questions and one of them is drawing the line between childhood and adulthood; with the understanding that children can not be AS responsible as adults for their actions (which is not the same thing as being totally non-responsible) and that their punishment therefore should be different than that of a fully aware and responsible adult.

Tweaking the "rules" every time we don't like something really opens the gates on all sorts of laws and the general status of younger people; if 12 year olds can go to jail for 60 years as if they had been twenty five when they committed the crime, why not treat all 12 year olds this way? Hey, why not let little boys and girls become military drummer boys again? Or how about working 16 hour days in the weaving mills or lets return to age 12 as the end of schooling and the age for taking on a career (that was common in the 16th to 18th century)?

Most important of all, to be "fair" as 12 year old law breakers should not be treated exactly as adults, because after all, they obviously are; and while we are at it they can all get drivers licenses while we are at it.

Seriously, to me age 12 isn't even a "grey-area" for "adult" criminal (or other adult) responsibilities; now 15 to 17 - yes that is a very grey area but it has also been the traditional age for adulthood in most societies; most doctors, scientists and students of human behavior agree that at age 12 the mind is not fully formed, nor is the ability to process and deal with emotions and responsibility in an adult way.

Which is not to say you sit back, pat the little darlings on the head and say "oh, how sad you hurt/killed your iddle friend, here have a hanky" either; what is does mean is that there is a special criminal system for young people for a REASON. Because, it deals with criminals who happen to be CHILDREN; if there is a problem with this system (like dangerous children getting out too quickly and becoming a danger to society, which right now these two obviously are) then CHANGE THE SYSTEM.

Do not, keep pretending that children are adults, just because they do something horrific; but the rest of the time of course they are simply little beings who often have no say-so over where they go to school, which parent they live with, are not permitted any meaningful work and for good reasons not allowed to engage in other adult activities like driving cars and are shielded by law from sexual use by adults (meaning we don't charge the child when this happens, but the adult).

No, I don't want this kids hanging out back at their regular school house either - they obviously need to be in State custody at least until 18 and more likely until age 25 - a sane system would have review at that point. They would not have been charged or convicted as adults but that would not mean they would automatically "get out" at any certain point either; a number of Western nations have changed their laws to mirror this unfortunate fact and it might be time that US States did this.

Even better might simply be a Federal Law (if this is constitutional and I'm not sure it is) saying something like no one 14 or under could be charged as an adult, EVER. States could then figure out how to cope with actually treating and trying children in the children's courts, and how to plan for and extend custody (possibly under mental health statutes) for children who are still a danger and/or do what the UK does and "release" them under near house-arrests for the first decade or so after they are out.

On the other hand, well my cousin had her driver's license at 14, used to be legal so I guess 12 might be all that much different....insurance rates now that would be very interesting.

the legality of the prosecution will be decided by the courts and the accused will have legal representatives

Seriously, to me age 12 isn't even a "grey-area" for "adult" criminal (or other adult) responsibilities; now 15 to 17 - yes that is a very grey area but it has also been the traditional age for adulthood in most societies; most doctors, scientists and students of human behavior agree that at age 12 the mind is not fully formed, nor is the ability to process and deal with emotions and responsibility in an adult way.

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It is interesting that during the 1917 Fatima apparations (the Virgin Mary's appearance to three children in Fatima, Portugal), little 10-year-old Lucia asked the Blessed Virgin if her 9-year-old cousin Francisco would go to Heaven. Mary replied, "He will go there but he must say many Rosaries first." Lucia also asked about another one of her friends (around the same age) who had died and was told she would be in Purgatory until the end of time.

Both of these kids had reached their age of reason (ability to distinguish right from wrong) and were being held accountable for their actions by Heaven.

We excuse too much by saying that kids are unable to be held accountable for their actions until they reach the arbitrary age of "adulthood" which varies all around the world.

then CHANGE THE SYSTEM.

to what?

Richard said:

then CHANGE THE SYSTEM.

to what?

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To something that establishes that children are children and adults are adults; and they are treated differently because children simply are not capable of making adult decisions based on adult levels of rationality.

The other option is what WAS done in the Middle Ages and perhaps "The Virgin" agrees (I don't know but the Catholic church taught it that was in the Middle Ages) you make seven the age of responsibility for everyone; allow marriage contracts at seven, drive cars at seven, join the military or take a trade at seven etc.

In the High Middle Ages seven year olds were hung for crimes that committed, they were executed if nobles and their families accused of treason etc.

The real question is, can a 12 year old totally understand yes, even murder; in the same way an adult can be expected to understand it and if so; well then they should be expected to understand everything else and be treated as adults.

Instead, in the West we tend to treat young teens like total idiots (which actually I don't approve of either) making infants out of teenagers unless or until the do something horrific, then suddenly "oh, they are adults, they did something terrible."

Alternatives to trying kids as adults, with adult laws and severe life-long sentences include some of the things I mentioned; certain incarceration until 25 with a review at that point; possibly freedom under a sort of house-arrest for several years (in perhaps a half-way house type of situation). I gather that the boys that killed the two year old in the UK are under very strict watch and one ended up back in jail for having porn on his computer - other people might get a slap on the wrist but he was let out knowing he had to walk a very narrow and straight path, which he did not do.

I am not saying any solution is perfect and I also don't want those girls walking the streets, but having read some of the background I also suspect a good case for criminal insanity could be made which might keep them locked up for a very long time; if the laws were applied correctly (I know people do some times get out when they should not, but again that's a systems issue).

But again, I don't want a twelve year old, no matter how bright making family financial decisions for me and I don't want to see 12 year olds convicted as adults for the same reasons; they are not adults; or if they are we are in so much trouble.

topcat46 said:

It is interesting that during the 1917 Fatima apparations (the Virgin Mary's appearance to three children in Fatima, Portugal), little 10-year-old Lucia asked the Blessed Virgin if her 9-year-old cousin Francisco would go to Heaven. Mary replied, "He will go there but he must say many Rosaries first." Lucia also asked about another one of her friends (around the same age) who had died and was told she would be in Purgatory until the end of time.
Both of these kids had reached their age of reason (ability to distinguish right from wrong) and were being held accountable for their actions by Heaven.

We excuse too much by saying that kids are unable to be held accountable for their actions until they reach the arbitrary age of "adulthood" which varies all around the world.

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Interesting. I had never heard that part of the story before.
If you believe that about little children, then it sure makes a mockery out of salvation in Jesus, efficacy of baptism, forgiveness, Jesus' atonement for our sins and hope for any of the rest of. EVEN BELIEVERS. Who would want us to believe that story and shift our faith and trust from Christ's propitiatory work to relying instead on our own "good works" and sinless, holy life? Satan.

If you believe that, then there is no "punishment" on earth needed that can hold a candle to the punishment that will be meted to even little children for their sins, after death. I agree that children now are raised Godless, undisciplined, and uncorrected.

We SHOULD also return to incorporating reasonable corporal punishment among the rights necessary for for proper parenting and guidance of children and their attitudes. Proper juvenile corporal punishment IS A CORPORAL WARNING, a physical, UNDERSTANDABLE to even a child taste of what pain can lie ahead in a defiant adulthood and INSTILLS RESPECT FOR THE POWER OF GOVERNING AUTHORITIES TO CORPORALLY PUNISH ADULTS WITH EVEN DEATH for defying the laws.

We should re-examine the fruit of the "self-esteem advocacy cult" putting children's self righteousness, self-will and self-importance and totally baseless. unearned "pride" above else and so trumping obligations to others, the value of actual accomplishments. any sense of responsibility or accountability, deference to authority and duty to parents, law, authority and any incentive to become constructive positive members of society.

We cannot hope for another "Greatest Generation" while chucking out everything that made them that way.

Thanks for talking me down a tad Melodi (and I read your posts with an Irish accent).

I know they are children. Minds not fully formed and all that. And maybe 60 years is a bit harsh.

But happening in my town, in my school district I’m a little biased. My children and the children around here are very confused about this. Excited about the end of the school year and the trauma from this thing.

Hopefully our courts get this right. These two tweens need help and I hope they get it. I still want them put away until they are very very adult.

And I shouldn’t really say this but the Waukesha County Court official here (no names) are wacked. I’m just sayin this because this case could go any which way.

I didn't mean to take anyone down (and sadly you should hear it with a California accent, I never managed Irish though I can sing with a Scot's one sort of) anyway I wanted to assure you that I am in no way trying to minimize the horror, outrage and just insane amount of evil in this case in anyway. As a very bullied child, that little girl who was stabbed could have been me, in fact that was my first thought when I originally saw the story.

Of course the other kids are confused, children are not supposed to have to suffer this sort of thing especially not at the hands of each other, even more so in a normal type of working class or middle class area (not a gang ridden slum or war zone).

I want the law to "get this right too" and part of the problem is I have seen the issue in the US repeatedly where young people (especially between 12 and 15) are treated as pampered babies (with leaving a child alone almost "child abuse" in the eyes of some social service agencies) but then at the same time if they commit a horrific, insane or particularly blood thirsty crime (or even kill an adult tormentor, NOT the case here) suddenly prosecutors (and often the public) wants to try them as if they are fully rational and responsible adults. I just don't feel this is an issue that can be sorted this way, rather it is something that needs to be sorted BEFORE crimes happen because sadly sooner or later there are always going to be the occasional brutal crime committed by a child. This has been true since the dawn of time and it isn't likely to change now.

But just like in most modern countries we don't let the families punish adult murders directly (unless caught in the act and the family member can claim self defense), I think we need to decide who is and who is not a child and make that stick for ALL decisions.

I am however, perfectly willing to make the choice Scotland did when the lowered the age of adulthood to 16; which the EU didn't like very much but has had to go along with for now. This is why 16 year old youth WILL be voting in the elections on Scotland's independence but their counter-parts in the rest of the UK have to wait until 18 to do so.

But I think the US needs to think long and hard before making 16 the age of adulthood for a lot of reasons, for one thing they would have change what is expected of young people at that age back to it was around 1900 rather than 1980. Because as adults, 16 year old youth would be able to work forty hour weeks (if they could find a job), leave school (everywhere), sign legal contracts (go bankrupt), open bank accounts and yes be tried as adults in criminal courts.

However, I don't think anyone can argue that we want twelve year old children moved up to adult status, even if some young women did marry at that age just a couple of generations ago (Loretta Lynn for one) that doesn't make it acceptable anymore than hanging seven year olds for a loaf of bread is acceptable.

But it is this waiting until after the crime to start figuring out how young is "too" young that is part of the problem; if the law is looked at and decided with forethought and in advance, perhaps even voted on then everyone will have at least some sort of basic template for how to move forward when these cases occur. Instead of starting out with battles between prosecutors and defense on the simple question of "what is childhood's end?"

At 12 I was not allowed out after the street lights went on, and they came on at dusk. My "freedom" was acutely limited and my input into the family parental decisions, was NOT solicited. I might have whined a little at the decisions I didn't like but DAMNED LITTLE. I went to. wore what, ate what, and did what I was told, OR ELSE. By twelve I thoroughly respected the authority and power of my parents, my teachers, and other authorities in power over me to totally destroy my happiness and take what little autonomy, choices and pleasures I did have away if I did not cooperate.

I was still TEACHABLE at 12 and did not dare to suggest that I knew more than my elders (I did not even THINK THAT!) or that I did not have to listen or obey. In the 50's I did not even use the phone without asking permission and giving a reason to call someone first. My parents did not believe in my having "privacy" from their overseeing supervision, that was understood as the condition of being a kid, till I was 18. EVERYTHING was acknowledged to be subject to their accounting, questions and inspection, friends, bedroom, purse, drawers, letters, phone calls, diaries, purchases, pastimes, places I went, whatever. They DID have a "right" and I accepted that as a kid, I had no "right to privacy" except in bathing and toilet. The "you don't TRUST ME" NONSENSE accusation did not work with them. My dad once said, I don't HAVE TO "trust you", "I am accountable for you!" They did not oppress us with it, but did not hesitate to find out "what was going on" if we raised any suspicion that we might be up to no good or going down the wrong path.

I wouldn't call this demon possession, it is simply nut job kids finally acting out on their desires. So simply put, a lot of people out there are bat shit crazy and nothing is going to stop them from being that way. (and you should just put a bullet in their head, nothing is going to fix that kind of crazy, we have enough drains on society)

and Slenderman grew a lot in popularity after the game went viral

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/33183-slender-man

There is something seriously wrong here that no one has mentioned. The one girl said, "One girl told a detective that she sees Slender Man in her dreams. She said he watches her and can read her mind and teleport".

Demons and humans and other entities can get into the minds of those that open themselves up to them. These girls did just that and became controlled and/or possessed by this creep that calls himself Slender Man. And from what I've read in this story he is now free and clear of all responsibility of what he's doing, but I am certain he's not finished.

These girls were looking for someone who would make them feel really important. They have been easily manipulated by this guy known as slender-man. This happens to 12 yr.olds for pos. or neg. They can be easily swayed either direction.

For those of you who have said you would not have done anything like this, than you are not taking seriously the times we're in.

Hopefully someone in the know can free these girls from whatever has taken control of their minds. They are salvageable as we all are. I would go after the guy who created slender-man. Stop him. He's the demon and controller.

Just spotted this:

Woman who admitted to Slender Man attack to be freed Monday
September 10, 2021 2:13 pm Associated Press





MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A Wisconsin woman who admitted to helping stab a classmate to please the horror character Slender Man will be freed Monday from a mental health institution.

A judge ruled Friday that 19-year-old Anissa Weier will be released after spending almost four years at the Winnebago Mental Health Institute.

Weier and friend Morgan Geyser lured classmate Payton Leutner into a park in the Milwaukee suburb of Waukesha following a sleepover in May 2014. Geyser stabbed Leutner multiple times, while Weier urged her on. All three girls were 12 at the time.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A judge is set to review a release plan for a Wisconsin woman who has spent four years in a mental health facility after she admitted to taking part in the 2014 stabbing of a Wisconsin classmate to please the horror character Slender Man.

Waukesha County Judge Michael Bohren ruled in July that Anissa Weier no longer poses a threat. He gave state officials 60 days to draw up a release plan. He has scheduled a hearing Friday afternoon.

Weier and friend Morgan Geyser lured classmate Payton Leutner into the woods in May 2014. Geyser stabbed Leutner multiple times as Weier encouraged her. All three girls were 12 years old at the time.

And she's going to live 7 miles away from me. This is so wrong. She Intended to commit murder and is out in just a few years.

iboya said:

And she's going to live 7 miles away from me. This is so wrong. She Intended to commit murder and is out in just a few years.

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Yeah, and what happens when her next obsession surfaces? I've always believed that "innocent by reason of insanity" should only take the death penalty off the table. Otherwise, they should get the same sentence- in a mental institution- they deserved in prison. Their victim doesn't get a "do over".

Summerthyme

Wow. a few years in a crazy house, and good to go.
Both girls should have been hung. Neither mental illness nor age is any excuse.
Leniency in such instances just breeds more of the same.