ALERT URGENT!! 5K US & NATO SURROUNDED IN KABUL BY 20K HEAVILY ARMED TALIBAN, NO ESCAPE

Luddite

Veteran Member
F'em.

Get our people out and let the goat rapers kill each other.

Don't risk one more American life there.
Or slightly less appealing would be to kill everybody there. Womb to the tomb, eight months to eighty-five.

As a Christian, I feel torn with this conclusion. IMHO, war done right prevents a repeat for the foreseeable future.

Not mentioned in these discussions are lithium deposits.
Are there huge reserves really in goathumpistan?
Are there enough other places to forget those in that county?
Do tptb secretly know that battery technology is short-lived?

Has buy-dem & crew sold out?

I have no answers. Wish the possible impetus for current condition was discussed more...
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
Or slightly less appealing would be to kill everybody there. Womb to the tomb, eight months to eighty-five.

As a Christian, I feel torn with this conclusion. IMHO, war done right prevents a repeat for the foreseeable future.

Not mentioned in these discussions are lithium deposits.
Are there huge reserves really in goathumpistan?
Are there enough other places to forget those in that county?
Do tptb secretly know that battery technology is short-lived?

Has buy-dem & crew sold out?

I have no answers. Wish the possible impetus for current condition was discussed more...
Just checked. Australia is the largest producer along with Chili, China and Argentina.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
war done right prevents a repeat for the foreseeable future
I'm in agreement with your statement with respect to how good that sounds on paper. But looking at history, starting with WWI, The War To End All Wars, it simply does not work out that way.

In particular our never ending undeclared wars where there is no goal to destroy the enemy to the point of unconditional surrender or annihilation. In theory Afghanistan was invaded because of Taliban support for 911. Then the Taliban should have been wiped off the face of the earth, period. The invasion of Afghanistan was not a punitive exercise aimed at getting even with the 911 terrorists, it was an exercise in globalism where various powers could be shifted. As a result of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars Iran became the area and world leader in terrorism. obama and Hitlery in their era of power made this quite obvious.

It will be interesting to see what the Taliban does with their spoils of war, being a complete set of modern war machinery, bought and paid for with American blood, lives, and money that our globalist/communist leaders throw around like confetti.

It will be interesting to see how this complete loss festers in the lives of Afghan War and Iraq War Veterans. Will they simply get on with life, or will they feel like they were used and screwed like a twenty dollar whore? Will they realize the greater issue was never the Taliban, but something just as evil in their own back yard that's been using Dominion to fake elections for God knows how long?
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The taliban will do the mass executions later on once the media has left. That afghan officer signing over his supplies and men will be dead soon.
Everybody on that list will be dead soon. It will be a slow slow sack then
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
The “smoke seen from the burning of sensitive documents at the embassy” seems so old-fashioned. Really? In 2021?

Sarcasm/ Is the staff there using HP printers, or are they using typewriters? Perhaps cursive writing by candlelight?

That little detail just doesn’t feel right. Maybe I’m missing something? Strikes me as an anachronism.
 

homepark

Resist
The “smoke seen from the burning of sensitive documents at the embassy” seems so old-fashioned. Really? In 2021?

Sarcasm/ Is the staff there using HP printers, or are they using typewriters? Perhaps cursive writing by candlelight?

That little detail just doesn’t feel right. Maybe I’m missing something? Strikes me as an anachronism.
Paper still rules. The level of classification dictates the destruction method. Cross-cut shredders and then burning the chaff is the usual way for that to happen.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
The “smoke seen from the burning of sensitive documents at the embassy” seems so old-fashioned. Really? In 2021?
Paper is the only way to keep sensitive sensitive information secure. To steal it, it needs to be physically accessed by a human. Anything digital can and will be compromised and can be done by someone thousands of miles away. That's why we have all those tools to keep our computers secure when in fact they are being hacked daily at just about any level from a home computer to power grid/government/military computers and more.

Complete burning of any sensitive document is the only way to completely destroy it.

While I'm at it, a hardened land line telephone is more secure than a cellphone. Edited to add: Once upon a time, decades ago, I worked for one of those XYZ outfits. In that era they claimed the more modern a form of communication is, the easier it is to monitor. Fast forward to today, and that is soooooo true. The crudest way to communicate, such as paper by courier, is the most secure.
 
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Txkstew

Veteran Member
On what?

Have you seen any infrastructure in Afghanistan?

What would a MOAB accomplish besides killing some goats.

The lack of understanding the BASICS of the country is why we are getting our asses handed to us. It is also the reason no country has ever successfully defeated Afghanistan.

There is no way to win because there is nothing there worth keeping.

Going in from day one was a huge mistake and Russia laughed their asses off the whole time. Anyone with any clue at all knew it was going to end up just like this.

My comment was in relation to them beheading 5000 Americans. I'd presume it would be in an open stadium full of cheering goat humpers. If I was to be executed that way, I'd want an air strike called in on my position.

I've never had any illusions that this would end any other way. That is why my inner neocon says you don't try to Nation Build in these kind of places. You go in, kill as many of the enemy as you can, break all their toys, destroy any infrastructure (yes they have a very nice airbase), then leave. You put them on notice that if they cause anymore mischief, you'll be back.

At this point, would it do any good to make the rubble bounce? I doubt it. We'll see if a future American administration will have to go back in, but please don't put any more cash into the project than necessary. We don't need a billion dollar embassy that can't be evacuated in few hours.
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
Paper still rules. The level of classification dictates the destruction method. Cross-cut shredders and then burning the chaff is the usual way for that to happen.

They are also burning flags, emblems, crests, anything decorative in the embassy that can be used in propaganda in the future. The mulchers they use for emergency destruction are much more effective than cross cut shredders.
 

Shotgun Willy

Contributing Member
They are also burning flags, emblems, crests, anything decorative in the embassy that can be used in propaganda in the future. The mulchers they use for emergency destruction are much more effective than cross cut shredders.

I'll see your shredders and raise you some AN - M14 thermite grenades.
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
Ive been following this. Some more updates.

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This was last night. Russian 'civilian' airliner diverted to fly over Kabul. (BTW, you can conduct HALO operations out of a civilian airliner).

Reports are also coming out that the president has fled and is en route to the UAE.

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Its over. I am an Afghanistan veteran that spent 2 years deployed to southern Khandahar. I watched as the areas I fought for fell back to the Taliban, and now the country is lost. I’m not sure how I feel about it. I know we did our jobs the best we could, and that the war was lost by the politicians and generals, but I can’t help but feel like I wasted 2 years of my life. And that my friends who died there did so in vain.

Ive been discussing my feelings with some Vietnam veterans in facebook groups to help get this in perspective for me. Its weird to think that we (afghan vets) now have more in common with Vietnam vets than with any other veteran group.
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
I'll see your shredders and raise you some AN - M14 thermite grenades.

I don't know if they still use them, but we used to have a special thermite pack that is the size of the top of an equipment rack. Pull the pin and haul ass out. It would burn down through all of the crypto to the bottom of the rack. We didn't use them on ships because it would keep burning until it burned through the hull.
 

homepark

Resist
I don't know if they still use them, but we used to have a special thermite pack that is the size of the top of an equipment rack. Pull the pin and haul ass out. It would burn down through all of the crypto to the bottom of the rack. We didn't use them on ships because it would keep burning until it burned through the hull.
32Foxtrot here. I got to set some of those off when we were shutting a comm center in RVN. They burn fiercely. Used one to destroy a stack of crypto tech manuals. It melted the barrel, reduced the manuals to dust, even destroyed some of the concrete pad. We had 75 pairs of crypto equipment. We knew that emergency destruction in case of an over-run was a suicide mission.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Or slightly less appealing would be to kill everybody there. Womb to the tomb, eight months to eighty-five.

As a Christian, I feel torn with this conclusion. IMHO, war done right prevents a repeat for the foreseeable future.

Not mentioned in these discussions are lithium deposits.
Are there huge reserves really in goathumpistan?
Are there enough other places to forget those in that county?
Do tptb secretly know that battery technology is short-lived?

Has buy-dem & crew sold out?

I have no answers. Wish the possible impetus for current condition was discussed more...

The "big deposits" in Afghan are only big in the sense that they could have been an economic boon to that country. In terms of absolute size, they're middle of the pack at best. They're also largely untapped, so there will be no impact on the world market.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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At this point, would it do any good to make the rubble bounce? I doubt it. We'll see if a future American administration will have to go back in
Philosophically speaking, were I in the military at a time where my group might be ordered back in, I’d refuse, in writing, with my reasons. I’d take the court martial and jail time with pride.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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Its over. I am an Afghanistan veteran that spent 2 years deployed to southern Khandahar. I watched as the areas I fought for fell back to the Taliban, and now the country is lost. I’m not sure how I feel about it. I know we did our jobs the best we could, and that the war was lost by the politicians and generals, but I can’t help but feel like I wasted 2 years of my life. And that my friends who died there did so in vain.

Ive been discussing my feelings with some Vietnam veterans in facebook groups to help get this in perspective for me. Its weird to think that we (afghan vets) now have more in common with Vietnam vets than with any other veteran group.

Hang in there. The politicians and generals can go to hell but Americans and America still need you.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?

Roofi
@Qadeemravian

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#Kabul this looks more like a political takeover rather than a military one. Very few (if any) casualties reported so far.

Asharq Al-Awsat English
@aawsat_eng

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#Breaking| #Taliban have started entering #Kabul from all sides - Afghan interior ministry

^^^ nana note: it is a really big city (at least population wise), but there is truly no way out except by air now. Prayers that they allow all of our people and military to safely leave.

My concern is that the political takeover stuff going on is to make sure the Taliban could keep as many of our people in the target cities as possible. Convince our diplomats that a bloodless retreat is possible, so our guys don't run or fight as the cities get surrounded. Then the military solution has a maximized effect.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Now would be a great time to drop airborne troops behind them in multiple locations. Would be a great way to 20K of the bastards. But that would take much planning on our side and with the politics and rules of engagement, that makes it impossible to do now.
Better to drop 20,000 goats behind them and while they pleasure themselves we get ours out. We have lost more then enough in that shithole.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm in agreement with your statement with respect to how good that sounds on paper. But looking at history, starting with WWI, The War To End All Wars, it simply does not work out that way.
Hummm not sure what you are saying here, so may have this wrong, but WWI the German Army was not defeated. The German politicians caved.

Not trying to side track the thread, but war done right, is total and complete victory over the enemies Army. IMHO In Vietnam and in Afghanistan we tip-toed around, appeasing everybody in sight.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
This seems important enough to post....





Flashback: Biden's Secretary of Defense Misled Obama on 'Jayvee' ISIS Danger as CENTCOM Commander by Spencer Brown
Spencer Brown

5-6 minutes


As Taliban fighters have seen success after success routing Afghan security forces amid the drawdown of U.S. combat troops after a two-decade-long presence in the country, many are asking why the Biden administration seems to have been caught off-guard by the Taliban's ability to topple one provincial capital after another.

This reality sent the Pentagon and State Department scrambling to organize an airlift of American personnel while seeking to avoid comparisons to the 1975 fall of Saigon as the Taliban seems likely to isolate and take Kabul in the coming weeks.
Afghan security forces have numerous advantages, insisted Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby earlier this week while State Department Spokesman Ned Price rejected the idea that 3,000 combat troops being sent to airlift Americans out of Kabul was an "evacuation."

At this point, it's less about *how* did things get this bad — there's little that can be done at this point in the Biden administration's withdrawal — and more *why* is the Biden administration now scrambling to get Americans out of the capital city while public-facing officials struggle to come up with an explanation for what's happening.

Part of the answer may lie with the man Biden chose to lead the Department of Defense, Lloyd Austin, who is not a stranger to enemy resurgence against U.S.-trained troops amid a withdrawal of American forces.

Before serving as Secretary of Defense, Austin was in charge of United States Central Command (CENTCOM) under President Obama, commanding troops in — among other places — Iraq, as ISIS took over.

According to The Atlantic's report on the Obama Doctrine, Lloyd Austin was the source of President Obama's much-maligned reference to ISIS as the "jayvee" team:

According to administration officials, General Lloyd Austin, then the commander of Central Command, which oversees U.S. military operations in the Middle East, told the White House that the Islamic State was “a flash in the pan.” This analysis led Obama, in an interview with The New Yorker, to describe the constellation of jihadist groups in Iraq and Syria as terrorism’s “jayvee team.” (A spokesman for Austin told me, “At no time has General Austin ever considered isil a ‘flash in the pan’ phenomenon.”)
But by late spring of 2014, after isis took the northern-Iraq city of Mosul, he came to believe that U.S. intelligence had failed to appreciate the severity of the threat and the inadequacies of the Iraqi army, and his view shifted.
Austin has denied this story, but when Congress investigated CENTCOM's handling (or lack of handling) of ISIS, they arrived at several concerning conclusions about how Central Command, on Austin's watch, handled intelligence about the seriousness of the threat posed by ISIS and the reality on the ground in Iraq.

In August of 2016, Congress announced its initial findings which "substantiated that structural and management changes made at the CENTCOM Intelligence Directorate starting in mid-2014 resulted in the production and dissemination of intelligence products that were inconsistent with the judgments of many senior, career analysts at CENTCOM."
"These products were consistently more optimistic regarding the conduct of U.S. military action than that of the senior analysts," explained the panel's findings on CENTCOM activity under Austin's leadership.
Based on specific case studies evaluated by the Joint Task Force, during the time period evaluated by the Joint Task Force, CENTCOM produced intelligence that was also significantly more optimistic than that of other parts of the Intelligence Community (IC) and typically more optimistic than actual events warranted. Additionally, many CENTCOM press releases, public statements, and congressional testimonies were also significantly more positive than actual events.
The Congressional panel also reported that "the leadership environment within CENTCOM and its Intelligence Directorate deteriorated significantly following the 2013 departure of Marine General James Mattis and his senior intelligence leaders. Survey results provided to the Joint Task Force demonstrated that dozens of analysts viewed the subsequent leadership environment as toxic, with 40% of analysts responding that they had experienced an attempt to distort or suppress intelligence in the past year" while serving under Austin.


All this being known, Biden still picked Austin to lead the Pentagon. In his op-ed announcing his pick for Secretary of Defense, Biden said Austin "got the job done" in Iraq against ISIS — a rather bold characterization of the situation that unfolded under his watch at CENTCOM — adding Austin "is the person we need in this moment.”

The last time Austin got a "job done," ISIS quickly established a tyrannical caliphate that beheaded, enslaved, and burned alive anyone who resisted. As the Pentagon sends some 3,000 combat troops back to Kabul to airlift remaining Americans, one can only hope Austin's intelligence picture is more accurate in this "moment" than the last.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This seems important enough to post....





Flashback: Biden's Secretary of Defense Misled Obama on 'Jayvee' ISIS Danger as CENTCOM Commander by Spencer Brown
Spencer Brown

5-6 minutes


As Taliban fighters have seen success after success routing Afghan security forces amid the drawdown of U.S. combat troops after a two-decade-long presence in the country, many are asking why the Biden administration seems to have been caught off-guard by the Taliban's ability to topple one provincial capital after another.

This reality sent the Pentagon and State Department scrambling to organize an airlift of American personnel while seeking to avoid comparisons to the 1975 fall of Saigon as the Taliban seems likely to isolate and take Kabul in the coming weeks.
Afghan security forces have numerous advantages, insisted Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby earlier this week while State Department Spokesman Ned Price rejected the idea that 3,000 combat troops being sent to airlift Americans out of Kabul was an "evacuation."

At this point, it's less about *how* did things get this bad — there's little that can be done at this point in the Biden administration's withdrawal — and more *why* is the Biden administration now scrambling to get Americans out of the capital city while public-facing officials struggle to come up with an explanation for what's happening.

Part of the answer may lie with the man Biden chose to lead the Department of Defense, Lloyd Austin, who is not a stranger to enemy resurgence against U.S.-trained troops amid a withdrawal of American forces.

Before serving as Secretary of Defense, Austin was in charge of United States Central Command (CENTCOM) under President Obama, commanding troops in — among other places — Iraq, as ISIS took over.

According to The Atlantic's report on the Obama Doctrine, Lloyd Austin was the source of President Obama's much-maligned reference to ISIS as the "jayvee" team:



Austin has denied this story, but when Congress investigated CENTCOM's handling (or lack of handling) of ISIS, they arrived at several concerning conclusions about how Central Command, on Austin's watch, handled intelligence about the seriousness of the threat posed by ISIS and the reality on the ground in Iraq.

In August of 2016, Congress announced its initial findings which "substantiated that structural and management changes made at the CENTCOM Intelligence Directorate starting in mid-2014 resulted in the production and dissemination of intelligence products that were inconsistent with the judgments of many senior, career analysts at CENTCOM."
"These products were consistently more optimistic regarding the conduct of U.S. military action than that of the senior analysts," explained the panel's findings on CENTCOM activity under Austin's leadership.

The Congressional panel also reported that "the leadership environment within CENTCOM and its Intelligence Directorate deteriorated significantly following the 2013 departure of Marine General James Mattis and his senior intelligence leaders. Survey results provided to the Joint Task Force demonstrated that dozens of analysts viewed the subsequent leadership environment as toxic, with 40% of analysts responding that they had experienced an attempt to distort or suppress intelligence in the past year" while serving under Austin.


All this being known, Biden still picked Austin to lead the Pentagon. In his op-ed announcing his pick for Secretary of Defense, Biden said Austin "got the job done" in Iraq against ISIS — a rather bold characterization of the situation that unfolded under his watch at CENTCOM — adding Austin "is the person we need in this moment.”

The last time Austin got a "job done," ISIS quickly established a tyrannical caliphate that beheaded, enslaved, and burned alive anyone who resisted. As the Pentagon sends some 3,000 combat troops back to Kabul to airlift remaining Americans, one can only hope Austin's intelligence picture is more accurate in this "moment" than the last.

Looks like well planned and well orchestrated treason to me.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Personally, I would have glassed Mecca 20 years ago as an object lesson to the goat humpers. Then I would have cut off all trade and travel to/from muzzie nations for 3 generations.

That would have been a clear message.
It wouldn't do much good in terms of Afghanistan, their culture has been pretty much the same for three to seven thousand years.

Even Alexander the Great knew better than to try to "finish them off," he just attacked a few hill tribes, married a chieftain's daughter, declared victory, and left his new father-in-law to try to "manage" the place for him.

One of the serious problems the West had in dealing with Afghanistan (including the Soviets) was a total failure to realize that Afghanistan's tribal-clan roots are the exact opposite of any sort of modern, including Islamic 14th century, style of a central government.

Attempt to try to rule or even improve the country by forcing a mirage of a central government on them, failed miserably. But the "leaders" in Kabul learned all the right phrases to say to make their current occupiers happy; all the while knowing that Cousin Clan Chief and Warlord Abdul was getting up to whatever he wanted to back in those mountains.

It has been the same way for thousands of years, if Islam went away tomorrow, they would still have basically the same tribal outlook.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Hummm not sure what you are saying here, so may have this wrong, but WWI the German Army was not defeated. The German politicians caved.

Not trying to side track the thread, but war done right, is total and complete victory over the enemies Army. IMHO In Vietnam and in Afghanistan we tip-toed around, appeasing everybody in sight.

wrong.
in november 1918 the german army was defeated and on the run. they had no options. the arrival of the US forces tilted the balance and it was essentially over.
yes, the politicians caved but they had no choice but to.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Part of the answer may lie with the man Biden chose to lead the Department of Defense, Lloyd Austin, who is not a stranger to enemy resurgence against U.S.-trained troops amid a withdrawal of American forces.

ShakaZulu strikes again
 
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