BRKG Russia fires warning shots at British destroyer in Black Sea. A Russian SU-24 jet also dropped bombs

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#BREAKING #Russia fires warning shots at #British destroyer in Black Sea A Russian military ship fired warning shots at British Royal Navy destroyer HMS Defender after it entered Russian waters in Black Sea. A Russian SU-24 jet also dropped bombs in the path of HMS Defender.
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Rob Lee
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The Russian MoD announced that FSB Border Guard ships fired warning shots at the Royal Navy's HMS Defender and Su-24M bombers dropped 4 OFAB-250 bombs in front of the destroyer after it entered Russian territorial waters near Crimea.


The incident occurred near Crimea's Cape Fiolent south of Sevastopol. The Royal Navy's HMS Defender destroyer allegedly moved three kilometers into Russian territorial waters before turning around after the warning shots and bombs. 2/ https://ria.ru/20210623/korab
View: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1407656164612100096?s=20


The timeline according to Russia: 11:52am the HMS Defender enters Russian territorial waters 12:06 and 12:08pm FSB Coast Guard ships fire warning shots 12:19pm Su-24M bombers drop 4 OFAB-250 bombs in the Defender's path 12:23pm the HMS Defender leaves Russian territorial waters

View: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1407658697321484289?s=20

All very exciting !!



So, all judgment aside, how far into American waters did the Ruskies recently venture in their Hawaiian vacation attempt ?

They came WITHIN 35 miles from one of the islands

yup, within 35 miles- there's a map with the latest war zone article that may better answer distance and locations questions.

..this lil dust up is between Russia and a british vessel, and is apparently a pretty serious escalation and suggests Brits were serious about their new, more assertive defense posture

I recall the mileage from the island(s), but how far into US space is that ?

jward said:

..... suggests Brits were serious about their new, more assertive defense posture

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“were” being the key operative ?

were, and remain so, as far as I can tell, 24 minutes into the incident ; )

Samuel Adams said:

I recall the mileage from the island(s), but how far into US space is that ?

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35 miles?
not territorial waters
12 miles out.
I've been 12 miles out from just about everywhere and nowhere.

Kyle Glen
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AIS data shows that HMS Defender was at it's closest around 10 nautical miles (18.5km/11.5mi) from the Crimean coast. The UN state that territorial waters can be up to 12 nautical miles. This would put HMS Defender 2 nautical miles or 3.7km inside 'Russian' waters around Crimea.
View: https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1407664107394940934?s=20

jward said:

yup, within 35 miles- there's a map with the latest war zone article that may better answer distance and locations questions.

..this lil dust up is between Russia and a british vessel, and is apparently a pretty serious escalation and suggests Brits were serious about their new, more assertive defense posture

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The Brits defensive posture?
The Brits were 3 miles inside Russian waters.
That is not defensive. It is offensive. Boats have been sunk for less.

dunno yet how far into (if at all) Russia went into US space- map man's sleepin', but you can borrow my keys to google if you promise to gas up

Hell, I’ll even grease the undercarriage and clean the windows !!

jward said:

dunno yet how far into (if at all) Russia went into US space- map man's sleepin', but you can borrow my keys to google if you promise to gas up

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You don't need a map.
If they had been within territorial waters of the US, it would have been HEADLINES.
And one of the sailors here would have been all over it.

Rob Lee
@RALee85

Another video from today’s confrontation. It looks like the Russian Coast Guard ship, the Izumrud, is damaged here. Also a Mi-8 (presumably Russian) is overhead. https://t.me/SIL0VIKI
View: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1066801403996368898?s=20


View: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1067046080758595584?s=20

My data says the locations were faked. Warships didnt get that close at all.

Western journalist recent interview with Putin about military exercises and Ukraine. Read the comments too. R/t 4:37

View: https://youtu.be/FK3O0RBeSK4

Russia says it fired warning shots at British warship
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A Russian patrol ship and fighter jet fired warning shots towards a British destroyer in the Black Sea, reports in Russia say.
Moscow's defence ministry said that HMS Defender entered Russian territorial waters near Crimea.
The UK's Ministry of Defence has not yet commented.

Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 but this has not been recognised internationally.
Russia said the incident happened near Cape Fiolent in the south of Crimea and claimed the British vessel subsequently changed course.
A patrol ship fired twice and the Su24-M jet dropped four bombs in its path, the Russian reports say.

The British embassy's defence attaché has been summoned to the Russian defence ministry, Interfax news agency reported.
HMS Defender is a Type 45 destroyer that is part of the UK's Carrier Strike Group. It is carrying out missions in the Black Sea, according to the Royal Navy's website.
image copyrightReuters
image captionHMS Defender was in Istanbul earlier this month
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Samuel Adams said:

All very exciting !!



So, all judgment aside, how far into American waters did the Ruskies recently venture in their Hawaiian vacation attempt ?

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just what I was thinking

This occurred a few day prior to todays incident. .


Positions of Two NATO Ships Were Falsified Near Russian Black Sea Naval Base

By: H I Sutton


June 21, 2021 2:36 PM



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The tracking data of two NATO warships was faked off the coast of a Russian controlled naval base in the Black Sea while the actual ships were moored 180 miles away, USNI News has learned.

The U.K. Royal Navy’s HMS Defender, a Type-45 Daring-class destroyer, and the Royal Netherlands Navy’s HNLMS Evertsen, a De Zeven Provinciën-class frigate, pulled into Odessa in Ukraine on June 18. The group had been monitored by Russian warships while exercising in the Black Sea, according to U.S. Navy photos dated on June 17.

According to an automatic identification system (AIS) signal, which transmits position details to improve maritime safety, the pair left Odessa just before midnight on June 18. The data shows that they sailed directly to Sevastopol, approaching to within two nautical miles of the harbor entrance. The strategic port houses the headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea fleet.
Despite the AIS track, there is clear evidence that the two warships did not leave Odessa. Live webcam feeds show that they did not leave Odessa, however. This was anyway the known situation in defense circles, and local media. Anyone in Odessa can see that they did not leave. The webcams are broadcast live on YouTube by Odessa Online. Screenshots archived by third party weather sites like Windy.com show the two warships present in Odessa overnight.

Positioning two NATO warships at the entrance at the entrance of a major Russian naval base would be widely seen as a provocative action, based on conflicting claims of sovereignty . Most of the international community, including the U.S, Britain and the Netherlands, do not recognize Crimea as part of Russia.

U.K. Royal Navy destroyer HMS Defender, USS Laboon and Dutch frigate HMNLS Evertsen take station for close proximity sailing as a Russian warship watches from afar (rear of picture) in the Black Sea on June 17, 2021. US Navy Photo

While the motives for the deception are unclear, the move raises questions about the efficacy of open-source intelligence data, such as AIS, which is becoming more common in both defense and by journalists. There is compelling evidence that the AIS tracks were faked. NATO representatives did not immediately respond to requests for comment and the tracks were confirmed as false by Dutch naval warfare news site Marineschepen.nl.

The AIS positions were shared with AIS aggregator MarineTraffic.com by a receiver station in Chornomorsk, close to Odessa. Other AIS aggregators also reported the false positions. HMS Defender was shown under the credentials that she is currently using, IMO 4907878. HNLMS Evertsen was reported as “Netherlands Warship,” MMSI 244942000. It is unclear how the false AIS data was introduced to the feed.

Both Defender and Evertsen are part of CSG21, the carrier strike group centered around HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08). The main body of CSG21 has remained in the Mediterranean, while the two warships temporarily deployed to the Black Sea, where they have been performing freedom of navigation missions and exercising with allies. They have visited Turkey and Ukraine and will also exercise with Romania and Georgia. They have also met with the U.S. Navy’s Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Laboon (DDG-58).

I suspect some of this was a "test" because "Crimea" which Russia claims is there's (and effectively for all practical purposes it is) and the US/EU/UK that claim it is still part of Ukraine. It could just have been a navigation mistake but I suspect a "test" ....

A centuries-old game between sparring navies.

Keep those swabbies sharp.

Note the "The West considers this Ukrainian Territory" and Russia considers it Russian territory...next, what is the UK going to do about this if anything (or NATO for that matter)?

Russian forces fire warning shots at Royal Navy destroyer over Black Sea 'border violation'
Wednesday 23 June 2021 13:11, UK
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The ship has been carrying "own set of missions" in the Black Sea
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The ship has been carrying "own set of missions" in the Black Sea

Russian forces fired warning shots at a Royal Navy destroyer after it entered the country's territorial waters in the Black Sea, the Russian Defence Ministry has said.

A border patrol boat fired warning shots at HMS Defender and a Su-24M warplane dropped four bombs close to the ship, the ministry said.

This map shows the route of HMS Defender. Pic: Marinetraffic.com
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This map shows the route of HMS Defender. Pic: Marinetraffic.com

"The destroyer was warned in advance that weapons would be fired in case of a violation of the Russian state border. It disregarded the warning," it said in a statement.

"As a result of joint actions of the Black Sea Fleet and the Border Service of the Russian Federal Security Service, HMS Defender left the territorial sea of the Russian Federation at 12.23pm."

The ministry said the confrontation took place near Cape Fiolent, a landmark on the coast of Crimea.

It claimed the ship had ventured approximately 3km into Russian waters.

Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 in a move condemned by the West which still considers it Ukrainian territory.


But Sky News' foreign affairs editor Deborah Haynes said a defence source told her HMS Defender was actually in international waters and that a Russian ship was actually conducting a gunnery exercise and did not fire at the British ship.

"Even if the ship wasn't directly fired at, as these Russian defence ministry is claiming, the fact that these exercises were taking place so close to a transiting Royal Navy ship is clearly going to be seen from the UK side as a provocation," she said.

She said Russia would have been likely to see the presence of the British ship close to its waters as a provocation.

"It's a very tense situation between the two sides and I think we're waiting really to hear what the Ministry of Defence has to say, to give their version of events."

interesting


Ministry of Defence Press Office
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No warning shots have been fired at HMS Defender. The Royal Navy ship is conducting innocent passage through Ukrainian territorial waters in accordance with international law.


We believe the Russians were undertaking a gunnery exercise in the Black Sea and provided the maritime community with prior-warning of their activity. No shots were directed at HMS Defender and we do not recognise the claim that bombs were dropped in her path.

It may be to underscore Russias' "recommendation" that US not participate in the upcoming exercises in the black sea..

Imagine if Russian warships conducted war games in the Gulf of Mexico, say, 13 miles off the coast of Tampa-St. Petersburg or near New Orleans or Houston (neither of which are right on the coast). Then imagine that one of the Russian ships went inside our territorial waters, say ten miles from Tampa.

The US Military-Industrial Complex would have a hysterical field day with their lapdog press and we'd be on the verge of war.

The US and its allies do this sh*t on a regular basis and other countries are supposed to just compliantly roll over and say "More Sir, please."

As Dylan once said long ago, the times they are a changin'.

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jward said:

interesting


Ministry of Defence Press Office
@DefenceHQPress
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No warning shots have been fired at HMS Defender. The Royal Navy ship is conducting innocent passage through Ukrainian territorial waters in accordance with international law.


We believe the Russians were undertaking a gunnery exercise in the Black Sea and provided the maritime community with prior-warning of their activity. No shots were directed at HMS Defender and we do not recognise the claim that bombs were dropped in her path.

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Absolute bovine scatology. I can smell the aroma all the way down here in southern Mississippi.

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Russia says it fired warning shots near British warship
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HMS Defender in Istanbul June 2021
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image captionHMS Defender was in Istanbul earlier this month
A Russian patrol ship and fighter jet fired warning shots near a British destroyer in the Black Sea, Russian authorities say.

Moscow's defence ministry said that HMS Defender entered Russian territorial waters near Crimea.

The UK's Ministry of Defence has not yet commented.

Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 but this has not been recognised internationally.

The place that's rather difficult to get into
Russia said the incident happened near Cape Fiolent in the south of Crimea and claimed the British vessel subsequently changed course.

A patrol ship fired twice and the Su24-M jet dropped four bombs in its path, the Russian reports say.

The British embassy's defence attaché has been summoned to the Russian defence ministry, Interfax news agency reported.

HMS Defender is a Type 45 destroyer that is part of the UK's Carrier Strike Group. It is carrying out missions in the Black Sea, according to the Royal Navy's website.

The warship was in the southern Ukrainian port of Odessa earlier this week, according to the British embassy in Ukraine. It said the UK and Ukraine had signed an agreement to jointly build warships and construct two naval bases.


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It all smells- all this deliberate

Doc1 said:

Absolute bovine scatology. I can smell the aroma all the way down here in southern Mississippi.

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phog so early in the incident has me concerned...

Russia should just be smart asses and let the Brits come to whatever port they use in Crimea.

With GPS, these ships know exactly where they are...within inches.

So do the Russians.

ibetiny said:

My data says the locations were faked. Warships didnt get that close at all.

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"My data"?
That is precious. . . .

We, they, them, us . . . we all perform "freedom of navigation" in the air and sea "all the time"
for no other reason than to prove we can.
And when it is done, there is usually at least 2 navigators using two sources to ensure we are "on the imaginary dotted line" that mark the border. And those navigators are not second string for either side.

The only data that matters is the British Destroyer's and the data used by the Russian patrol ship and the fighter.

Shots were fired . . . there will be an investigation . . . the public will not likely know the outcome . . .

We have contested the Crimean election that Russia used to justify annexation of Crimea and so
I am not even a little surprised that the territorial waters around Crimea are being tested by our side.

Russia is making it very clear they were sending a warning, they are not going to let the UK sweep this under the rug they obviously want this message out there (sorry if there are dups, this news is moving fast!).

Russian ship fired warning shots at Royal Navy destroyer, Moscow says
Moscow says shots were fired after HMS Defender entered its waters in Black Sea

HMS Defender pictured on 14 June in Istanbul on its way to the Black Sea.
HMS Defender pictured on 14 June in Istanbul on its way to the Black Sea. Photograph: Yoruk Isik/Reuters
Agencies
Wed 23 Jun 2021 12.22 BST

A Russian military ship has fired warning shots at a British Royal Navy vessel in the Black Sea and a Russian jet dropped bombs in its path, Interfax cited Russia’s defence ministry as saying on Wednesday.

The ministry said HMS Defender left what it called Russian waters soon afterwards, having ventured as much as 3km (2 miles) inside. The incident took place near Cape Fiolent, the ministry, a landmark on the coast of Crimea.

Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 in a move condemned by the west, which still considers it Ukrainian territory.

“The destroyer had been warned that weapons would be used if it trespasses the border of the Russian Federation. It did not react to the warning,” it said, adding that a Russian Su-24 bomber had dropped four high-explosive fragmentation bombs as a warning.

The British Ministry of Defence did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Incidents involving aircraft or ships are not uncommon at Russia’s borders, especially during heightened tensions with the west, but rarely result in open fire.

The Royal Navy said earlier in June that the HMS Defender had “peeled away” from its strike group conducting Nato operations in the Mediterranean to carry out “her own set of missions” in the Black Sea.

Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said Russia’s firing of warning shots showed an aggressive and provocative policy that constituted a threat to Ukraine and its allies.

“A clear proof of Ukraine’s position: Russia’s aggressive and provocative actions in the Black and Azov seas, its occupation & militarisation of Crimea pose a lasting threat to Ukraine and allies,” he said on Twitter.

“We need a new quality of cooperation between Ukraine & Nato allies in the Black Sea.”

Reuters and Agence France-Presse contributed to this report. More details soon …

Apparently the UK plan is to pull a Bagdad Bob and insist it did not happen :: shrug ::
..suits me if they can make it all go away

jward said:

Apparently the UK plan is to pull a Bagdad Bob and insist it did not happen :: shrug ::
..suits me if they can make it all go away

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They are trying to do this but it looks like the Russians are doing their best to make sure that doesn't happen, we shall see.

Two jobs I wouldn't want, Iranian nuclear scientist and crew member of a NATO ship in the Black Sea.

Actually Raven, there was some kind of incident involving apparent spoofing of locations a few days or so prior-
presumably however, Russia knew her location and that of her targets at the time they fired (or didn't, depending on which country you wish to believe) on the Defender

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Monday at 6:48 PM

This should be interesting eh

NEWS | June 21, 2021
U.S. Sixth Fleet announces Sea Breeze 2021 participation
By U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. Sixth Fleet Public Affairs

NAPLES, Italy –
U.S. Sixth Fleet formally announces participation in the upcoming annually held Exercise Sea Breeze 2021 (SB21) cohosted with the Ukrainian Navy, June 21, 2021.

The exercise is taking place from June 28 to July 10 in the Black Sea region and will focus on multiple warfare areas including amphibious warfare, land maneuver warfare, diving operations, maritime interdiction operations, air defense, special operations integration, anti-submarine warfare, and search and rescue operations.

This year’s iteration has the largest number of participating nations in the exercise’s history with 32 countries from six continents providing 5,000 troops, 32 ships, 40 aircraft, and 18 special operations and dive teams scheduled to participate.
"The United States is proud to partner with Ukraine in co-hosting the multinational maritime exercise Sea Breeze, which will help enhance interoperability and capabilities among participating nations,” said Chargé d'affaires Kristina Kvien, U.S. Embassy in Ukraine. “We are committed to maintaining the safety and security of the Black Sea."
Beginning in 1997, Exercise Sea Breeze brings most Black Sea nations and NATO Allies and partners together to train and operate with NATO members in the pursuit of building increased capability.

SB21 provides the opportunity for personnel of participating nations to engage in realistic maritime training to build experience and teamwork and strengthen our interoperability as we work toward mutual goals.
Ukraine and U.S. are cohosting the exercise in the Black Sea with participation and support coming from 32 countries in total: Albania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Morocco, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Senegal, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, and the United States.
Black Sea nations, in concert with NATO Allies and partners, improve their ability to conduct the full range of naval and land operations by participating in exercises like Sea Breeze 2021.

Exercise Sea Breeze 2021 is an annual multinational maritime exercise, involving sea, land, and air components, and is co-hosted by the United States and Ukraine to enhance interoperability and capability among participating forces in the Black Sea region.

U.S. Naval Forces Europe/Africa/U.S. Sixth Fleet, headquartered in Naples, Italy, conducts the full spectrum of joint and naval operations, often in concert with joint, allied, and interagency partners, in order to advance U.S. national interests and security and stability in Europe and Africa.

TPTB sure are generating a kerfuffle with da rooshins.

Kinda tends to take the focus off of biden's owners...the chicoms.

Another repost: Russia's response from earlier today, presumably prior to this incident, suggesting concern with the US and it's allies exercises in the black sea... as I indicated I'd assume this was the connection behind the incident


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Update: Russia has urged the United States and its allies to abandon exercises in the Black Sea. The exercises will be held from June 28 to July 10 in the Black Sea, they will involve 5,000 servicemen and 32 ships from 32 countries.

"The scale of the Ukrainian-American Sea Breeze exercise in the Black Sea increases the risk of unintentional incidents in the Black Sea." (RIA)