WAR Have we met the definition of being in a civil war?

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KFhunter

Veteran Member
We're at the threshold of meeting the international definition of being in a civil war.

1) Civil war refers to a violent conflict between organized groups within a country that are fighting over control of the government, one side's separatist goals, or some divisive government policy.

2) For a conflict to qualify as a civil war, most academics use the threshold of 1,000 dead, which leads to the inclusion of a good number of low-intensity rural insurgencies.

3) If the conflict becomes purely a matter of violence between communities driven by revenge and hatred rather than by political goals, many political scientists would say that it is something other than civil war.
(race war etc)

4) A conflict may be both a civil and an interstate war at the same time.
(China, Russia and others are involved)

A civil war has to involve attempts to grab power at the center of government or in a given region, or to use violence to change some major government policy.



I think we officially meet the definition of being in a second civil war (or very close too), the problem is deaths are not counted in a way that would attribute to civil war violence, we've got to be close!

Many speculate that by the end of this summer we'll easily exceed the 1000 deaths threshold to be recognized as being in a civil war 2.0 by international standards.
 
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KFhunter

Veteran Member
Oscar Wilde said:
Wee surrendered a while back.

Call it whatever ya like ... I would not include the word "war" though.
War denotes some degree of opposition ... wee didn't.

"sweeping social change" has a palatable ring to it eh. Gotta be a way to
make this sound noble.

O.W.
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Yup, but once people are unemployed and hungry, the games will begin anew.
 
Oscar Wilde

Oscar Wilde

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KFhunter said:
Yup, but once people are unemployed and hungry, the games will begin anew.
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Mehbe.
I'm not such an optimist but we'll soon see.
I do hope you're right ... I've been standin alone most of my life
on matters of what I believe to be critically important.
It might be a comfort to encounter others who share the sentiment.

O.W.
 
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Donghe Surfer

Veteran Member
It's the new style of civil war: information over Internet (or lack of it); cyber attacks; fights in cities, but not enough deaths/injuries during any single event to signal a true old-style civil war; nothing to see here :hof:
 
Oscar Wilde

Oscar Wilde

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vestige said:
This recent action does not typify a country at peace.
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It isn't on fire ... suggesting pacification, while other areas of our nation are ON FIRE due to malcontents
who run amok unopposed.

And the psuedo defense of the capitol is merely symbolic ... goobmint has had underground fortresses
for decades should their safety truly of concern.

O.W.
 
PghPanther

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We could be in any number of the following:

1) Civil war
2) Race war
3) Communist revolution
4) Pandemic Extinction event.........

The only problem it is happening in such a gradual process over a generation or more in society that by the time the frog knows it is boiling it might be too late.
 
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Raggedyman

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Oscar Wilde said:
Wee surrendered a while back.

Call it whatever ya like ... I would not include the word "war" though.
War denotes some degree of opposition ... wee didn't.

"sweeping social change" has a palatable ring to it eh. Gotta be a way to
make this sound noble.

O.W.
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how I wish I could find SOMETHING to disagree with in that astute observation . . . WEE. . . what a pathetic LIMP DICK response WEE made to this bullshit. but then again the big game was on that weekend - and the tailgate and March Madness and all - and we DID have our happy meals and six packs . . . yea . . . well its no biggie. we'll just

VOTE HARDER
at mid terms - that'll show 'em fer sure​
 
Raggedyman

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Oscar Wilde said:
It isn't on fire ... suggesting pacification, while other areas of our nation are ON FIRE due to malcontents
who run amok unopposed.

And the psuedo defense of the capitol is merely symbolic ... goobmint has had underground fortresses
for decades should their safety truly of concern.

O.W.
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that right there needs to be S T O P P E D. were that to be significantly challenged I fully believe MANY things would change. AND they would change most rikki tic
 
Bubble Head

Bubble Head

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Yes we are at Civil War and it is just getting started. The Commiecrats are throwing a huge bluff to say they are in control and all is well behind their Iron Curtain. When they come out for a real peak at things it might be different. A population turned against them is nothing to mess with. That number is probably well over 100 million by now. Nobody will known who to trust.
 
Tristan

Tristan

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KFhunter said:
We're at the threshold of meeting the international definition of being in a civil war.

1) Civil war refers to a violent conflict between organized groups within a country that are fighting over control of the government, one side's separatist goals, or some divisive government policy.

2) For a conflict to qualify as a civil war, most academics use the threshold of 1,000 dead, which leads to the inclusion of a good number of low-intensity rural insurgencies.

3) If the conflict becomes purely a matter of violence between communities driven by revenge and hatred rather than by political goals, many political scientists would say that it is something other than civil war.
(race war etc)

4) A conflict may be both a civil and an interstate war at the same time.
(China, Russia and others are involved)

A civil war has to involve attempts to grab power at the center of government or in a given region, or to use violence to change some major government policy.



I think we officially meet the definition of being in a second civil war (or very close too), the problem is deaths are not counted in a way that would attribute to civil war violence, we've got to be close!

Many speculate that by the end of this summer we'll easily exceed the 1000 deaths threshold to be recognized as being in a civil war 2.0 by international standards.
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Where did the definition come from?

Thanks.
 
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Techwreck

Veteran Member
Oscar Wilde said:
... seriously?

These technologies that have suddenly become "lifelines" began as novel conveniences.
It's time to recognize and acknowledge that we are indeed inside the box ... and that we should start thinking outside of it.

O.W.
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That was basically my point, if I understand you correctly. The technologies have altered the terms of conflict beyond our previous definitions.

There may be no need for high volume kinetic action to resolve internal conflicts in the near future, as opponents can be semi-effectively removed from the conflict through digital access denial.

Not just social media, but bank accounts, crypto, airline access, procurement, credit cards, bank balances, any unprinted filings or documents, (and the list goes on and on), are all hackable, fungible or deletable once digitized.

The digital overlords can squash dissent with a keyboard.
Except the AI running things won't need a keyboard.
And "dissent" will be whatever they say it is.

So while the definition of civil war may or may not be met, the definition itself is obsolete.
 
Oscar Wilde

Oscar Wilde

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Tristan said:
Where did the definition come from?

Thanks.
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I 'spose folks have varying descriptors for what constitutes an act of war ... lines in the sand kinda thing.

Imagine walkin in to Ye old ice cream parlor. There sets a fella with a fresh double scoop, unbeknownst to him
a big ole blow fly is 'bout to light upon the upper scoop and you, bein a thoughtful human bean, swats that fly
to prevent such ... unfortunately, you judgement of distance was off, by just a little bit. So now the top scoop is sliding down the bridge of this fella's nose.
The fella loudly proclaims "now this be an act of WAR you scoundrel" ... the path of good intentions.

There was a time when an individual just refused to accept what was generally observed as social norms ... morality stuff.
Folks tended to such matters in a manner that such would never occur again nor be considered by the next few generations of those familiar with the circumstance ... as it should be.

O.W.
 
Oscar Wilde

Oscar Wilde

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Techwreck said:
There may be no need for high volume kinetic action to resolve internal conflicts in the near future, as opponents can be semi-effectively removed from the conflict through digital access denial.
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Semantics.

Technology, other than the discovery of gunpowder, is
not going to deter them of the institution from accosting
me and mine because of our refusal to embrace their impositions
of masking, of participating in their ... "experiment".

I do see your point but there are too many of us working on their side ....

O.W.
 
Raggedyman

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Oscar Wilde said:
There was a time when an individual just refused to accept what was generally observed as social norms ... morality stuff.
Folks tended to such matters in a manner that such would never occur again nor be considered by the next few generations of those familiar with the circumstance ... as it should be.
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the man is a MASTER WORD SMITH
:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:​
as I see it pressure continues to build in the containment vessel labeled ZUSA. we're not far off MAX. soon there will be a spark struck that will fall on the dry tinder and the Santa Anna's will fan the flames. GOD HELP US when that time arrives.
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

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We’ve been in a civil war, complete with full-blown enemy occupation of American soil, for longer than any of us have been alive.

Nice to see others waking up to the possibility, at least, that civil war may be “declared” in the near future......or, someday, anyway.


*sardonic chuckle*
 
SpokaneMan

SpokaneMan

Veteran Member
I hate to be a pessimist, but no. I think the hot civil war is certainly just ahead. This is definitely a communist take over as an insurrection goes, but the other side hasn't responded violently just yet. It has to get worse first before we see a nationwide conflict. The first domino was just tipped over. We can't read this like a history book quite yet. So many factions...
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
SpokaneMan said:
I hate to be a pessimist, but no. I think the hot civil war is certainly just ahead. This is definitely a communist take over as an insurrection goes, but the other side hasn't responded violently just yet. It has to get worse first before we see a nationwide conflict. The first domino was just tipped over. We can't read this like a history book quite yet. So many factions...
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other side hasn't responded?
umm . . . which side are you on?
I think you just blew your cover . . .
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Ping Jockey said:
If you read any of the lead up history to the last war of northern aggression the threads all lead up to the same conclusion; open warfare.
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Except for a couple of border states, the territory of the opponents was defined. Not so easy this time.
 
Henry Bowman

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
Troke said:
Except for a couple of border states, the territory of the opponents was defined. Not so easy this time.
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Right, this time is is asymmetrical. The "Enemy" could be your next door neighbor, your plumber, your mechanic, your baker....the list is endless.

It will take very little to actually light it off now. ALL the sides know it.
 
Ping Jockey

Ping Jockey

Inactive
Troke said:
Except for a couple of border states, the territory of the opponents was defined. Not so easy this time.
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Very true. Though armies faced one another and there were boundaries set by states there were far more guerrilla actions and partisan retributions by neighbor vs neighbor than has ever been taken into account by normal historical accounts. Same thing happened during the Revolution in the southern colonies.
 
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ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
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Civil War 2.0 Weather Report: Preparing For The Commissar – Wilder, Wealthy, and Wise (wilderwealthywise.com)


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Civil War 2.0 Weather Report: Preparing For The Commissar
Civil War 2.0 Weather Report: Preparing For The Commissar
“Ottoman, there’ll be no Justice of the Peace for you, just a big piece of justice.” – The Tick
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6:30 is the best time. Hands down.
  1. Common violence. Organized violence is occurring monthly.
  2. Opposing sides develop governing/war structures. Just in case.
  3. Common violence that is generally deemed by governmental authorities as justified based on ideology.
  4. Open War.
April had increased violence. None that I could see was from the Right, which appears to still be stunned that the Leftists are actually doing all of the things that they promised that they would do.
I’m holding April at 9 out of 10. That’s still two minutes to midnight. If I were betting? July or August will take us to a 10.
I currently put the total at (this is my best approximation, since no one tracks the death toll from rebellion-related violence) only creeping up at around 700 out of the 1,000 required for the international civil war definition.
As close as we are to the precipice of war, be careful. Things could change at any minute. Avoid crowds. Get out of cities. Now.
In this issue: Front Matter – Chauvin And Justice – Violence And Censorship Update – Updated Civil War 2.0 Index – Leftists Destroy GATE – Links
Front Matter
Welcome to the latest issue of the Civil War II Weather Report. These posts are different than the other posts at Wilder Wealthy and Wise and consist of smaller segments covering multiple topics around the single focus of Civil War 2.0, on the first or second Monday of every month. I’ve created a page (LINK) for links to all of the past issues. Also, subscribe because you’ll get every single Wilder post delivered to your inbox, M-W-F at 7:30 Eastern, free of charge.
Chauvin And Justice
Derek Chauvin, a former officer with the Minneapolis Somalia by St. Paul Police Department, was convicted on three counts (at least two of them mutually exclusive) after minimal jury deliberation. There are many articles that talk about the injustice of the decision. I wasn’t in the jury room so I can’t say too much about the decision. I guess my only question is how much fentanyl does one have to consume before it becomes listed as a suicide if three times a fatal dose isn’t enough?
The fate of those two men, Floyd and Chauvin, tells us a tremendous amount about the justice system in the country. But the Derek Chauvin trial showcases a much bigger agenda involving the justice system.
What is the message that was issued to every police officer in Minnesota and in almost every Leftist-controlled state?
Don’t do your job. If you do, and you take down the wrong junkie, you’ll be fired. If you’re lucky. Instead, just show up. If you want to arrest someone, just make sure that they’re not people you can get in trouble for policing.
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Well, it’s not like the Unitarians believe anything.
The goal is: cops cease to police. If cops cease to police, the justice system will simply break down. I’ve covered multiple times why the justice system is the cornerstone of Western Civilization. The justice system is a stroke of genius that takes vengeance from the hands of individuals, and puts it into the hands of a “just and impartial” system.
Is the “just and impartial” system flawed? Certainly. But the thing that’s required is the faith in the system, even though it has flaws. If we believe that justice is real, it keeps the scourge of vengeance at bay, even when there are occasional lapses.
Perhaps that’s what the jury was thinking.
Perhaps.
But the message to them was clear. The demonstrations. The dead pig’s head on the defense expert witness’s (former) front yard. Maxine Waters agitating the local community to “keep the pressure on.”
Thus, the verdict. This is a single case, about two men whose lives intersected.
Long term though, the goal isn’t about this case, the goal to remove the cops. This will destroy the “just and impartial” system. That’s clearly the plan now. Look at recent “protests” in Portland and Plano. The police are there to protect the protesters and put in jail any who resist the protest. And if a mob shows up at a house and damages it? If the mob points weapons at those who protest?
The only crime will be self-defense.
But this removal of police is in the script. This is act one. This will:
  • Increase crime, because the police are being pressured to not do their one job: arrest criminals.
  • Increase actions of vengeance, because the criminals aren’t being punished.
  • Vigilantes, of course, will be punished far more harshly than the criminals.
What happens when crime increases and vigilantes increase?
A solution from the Left will arise. They won’t call them Political Commissars, but they will be. Social Justice Police? Equity Enforcement?
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I hear that mummys like wrap music.
The “just and impartial” system, then envy of the non-Western world, will soon be gone.
All by plan.
And who will be left to look to? The Left.
Violence And Censorship Update – Turbo Magnum Edition
Item 1: Rudy Giuliani is a high-profile political figure in the Untied (yes, that’s intentional) States. He also looks like he smells like a combination of gin, Vicks-Vap-O-Rub®, hair cream, and mothballs. But Rudy is also a lawyer, specifically the lawyer for President Trump, representing him in several different matters. This is important since an attorney’s work is uniquely privileged – an attorney provides guidance through the legal system for people who aren’t familiar with it. It’s like when The Mrs. explains to me that other people are human beings that have things called “feelings” that I should pay attention to. Pfft.
The attorney-client privilege isn’t absolute, the privilege doesn’t cover ongoing fraud, attempts to intimidate witnesses, destruction of evidence, et cetera. But it’s a really big deal. It’s one of those protections that was put in place so everyone can trust the system, even those the system is attempting to punish.
Recently Rudy’s office was raided, and not by the St. Pauli Girl t-shirt squad to give him an atomic wedgie followed by tequila shooters. Rudy’s a political figure, but he’s also a lawyer. That should be an amazingly high hurdle to stop a raid, but in 2021 America, it isn’t. Just like Chauvin’s conviction – Rudy’s raid was meant to suppress speech and protection that the Left doesn’t agree with.
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A truck of Vicks Vap-O-Rub® wrecked during rush hour last month. There was no congestion for a week.
Imagine if it had been Podesta or Hunter Biden or Hillary Clinton or even Satan getting raided during the Trump administration?
The howl from the Left would have been deafening. And, yes, the Church of Satan members voted 99%+ for Biden.
Item 2: Nick Fuentes is a twentysomething (22) kid that runs something called America First™ which is a political movement focused around views of the Right – he even makes fun of the pure economic conservatism of Turning Point, USA®. Nick used to be on YouTube®, but they banned him. And so did most private apps where he could make money or get publicized on.
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Libertarians and Leftists will agree: it’s a private company and the terms of service matter, not the Constitution. I’ve made my arguments about that, and had some good ones with friends who are as impartial as I can find.
But.
Nick Fuentes was put on the No-Fly list recently by Biden’s Department of Homeland Security. The Federal Government’s No-Fly list. The worst that I could say about Nick (from what I’ve seen) is that he’s annoyingly smug.
Smug is not a crime. The sole reason that Nick could be on the No-Fly list? He says things people in government don’t like.
This is not a “bake my gay cake bigot” moment. This is the unfettered use of government power to destroy ideas. Sure, the FBI spied on Martin Luther King.
Think they’re not looking at you and me? Laugh at the wrong meme? Hope you can drive.
Item 3: I track the website traffic and where it comes from to Wilder, Wealthy and Wise©. Okay, I don’t do it personally. Some nameless small gnomes that live inside of computer chips count the visitors to this place. Whatever. They don’t ask for vacation.
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A small (but significant) number of visitors to this site came from Google®. Millions? No. But thousands every month. By any stretch of the imagination, this site is easily in the top 20 most-linked to site on the Internet about Civil War 2.0.
And these are quality links from pretty popular sites.
But I don’t show up on Google® under that search. I can understand that. But what if I look for the entirely novel phrase (my own invention thanks to Cory Hamasaki, R.I.P.) Civil War Weather Report?
I get links about weather during the Civil War. I once got links to current weather forecasts for Gettysburg, PA from Google™.
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If I go to DuckDuckGo®? With that phrase, I’m number one. With Civil War 2.0? I’m still in the top results. I get more hits from DuckDuckGo™ many weeks than I do from Google™. DuckDuckGo® has 0.5% market share. Google® has 92.26%.
All things being equal? I should get about 180 times the number of hits from Google™ as I do from DuckDuckGo©. And it used to be about five times the traffic, if not ten times the traffic. Not now. Some days, I get more traffic from DuckDuckGo™.
The nosedive started in: February, 2021, right after a certain person was inaugurated.
Hmmm. I’m not the first site “de-tuned” by Google® and I won’t be the last.
Now all my devices use DuckDuckGo®.
Updated Civil War II Index
The Civil War II graphs are an attempt to measure four factors that might make Civil War II more likely, in real-time. They are broken up into Violence, Political Instability, Economic Outlook, and Illegal Alien Crossings. As each of these is difficult to measure, I’ve created for three of the four metrics some leading indicators that lead to the index. On illegal aliens, I’m just using government figures.
 
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