CORONA COVID-19 was in the U.S. much earlier than believed

helen

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Here is the scholarly article. They had blood samples that predated the first known COVID-19 case in the U.S. The samples tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies. It's been here longer than previously thought.

Remember when vaping caused a strange pulmonary disease in the U.S?

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Serologic Testing of US Blood Donations to Identify Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)–Reactive Antibodies: December 2019–January 2020

Retrospective SARS-CoV-2 serological testing of routine blood donations collected in 9 US states from 13 December 2019–17 January 2020 suggests that the virus w
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Meemur

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Packy and I both whole-heartedly believe that this crap was in the US long before it was announced.

I have no trouble believing that Chinese exchange students brought it to some of the college towns, either by
accident or on purpose.

I personally believe that it is one of a series of bio-weapons that the Chinese have been testing.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I'll sign on to that as well. In EARLY December 2019 RELIC had a full week of "da crud" and I was concerned that we were going to have to admit her. So i got out our Imatropium and the nebulizer (and all the other stuff we been using) and got AGGRESSIVE with her (forced her into bed as well, no ramming and racing around!!).
Her fever broke after 4 days, and her respiratory calliope left town, and I got febrile about 2 days later. Christmas suqued. I had a doc visit and we discussed treatments, decided it was "juu7st some viral going around" and I went through fevers (spiked high enough to have seriuos talks with my dad(deceased 20 years ago) and mom(deceased 10 years ago) and I was looking at admission, but my fever broke and things cleared up nicely (took me a couple weeks to get my sats up to where I was willing to admit them to anyone, but other than that) yeah i'm convinced we had it then.

My response to the J&J/J vax suggested I was already fully primed and I got antibodies out the _____zoo.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
In late January/early February of 2019 Owner became quite sick with an unknown respiratory illness. He was congested terribly and having trouble sleeping nights. He reported popping a sporadic "flu" which would come on strong during dark hours, and would be gone by noon the next day - Owner reported this to his wife as onset "sundowner syndrome" - although I think he meant the tendency of those sick with a cold to "rally" during the day and find their symptoms worse at night.

His degree of respiratory distress was unusual, even for Owner whose illness ALWAYS goes to the respiratory path. In order to sleep he took to perhaps two or three hours of sleep time, then a hot shower to "clean himself out", then rinse and repeat to possibly three showers during a normal eight hour night.

After a week of this Owner finally gave up and went to the Emergency Room. An X-ray and a test revealed he did not have pneumonia - his concern - but rather a rather severe case of "bronchitis" which the E-room physician thought on Owner's description was starting to "turn." Owner did feel better in the days that followed. I could tell as he was more "like himself" to me.

But to this day now recovered he still has a slight "wheeze." I hear him when he is close. Owner has remarked that perhaps he has some of the "permanent damage" resulting from that infection? Although it doesn't seem to hold him back much.

Dobbin
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Late November, I had what I can only describe as the worst chest cold I ever had. It was focused almost solely on my chest, too. Very little in the way of runny nose or sore throat, but my chest would actually feel tight. Not how I usually get a cold, so it was enough to make me wonder. If it WAS Covid, it wasn't all that much of a much. Took about two to three weeks to get fully over it...folks ended up calling off Thanksgiving dinner over it. That and the fact that my aunt had decided to go gallivanting around Georgia for three days the week before, but still.
 
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Coco82919

Veteran Member
I think it was here the summer of 2019. There was an unusual amount of young people dying from the flu. Something like 5800 in the US. Then there was the gaping lung damage. Who knows.

I was sick January of 2019. I thought I had a cold but could not breath at night so slept very little. It took 5 weeks to get over the short of breath feeling. I could not finish a sentence without having to stop to breath. Then I got it in December 2020. Test was negative but I lost my taste for about 10 days. I was not as sick as I was in January, but I felt tired, weak and having a hard time thinking through problems.
 
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The Hammer

The Hammer

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had a bad case of what I thought was strep in January 2019.

Another bad case of the crud in December of that year.

No way to know, and the symptoms weren't exactly like what they describe with Covid, but I sometimes wonder.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
The Hammer said:
I had a bad case of what I thought was strep in January 2019.

Another bad case of the crud in December of that year.

No way to know, and the symptoms weren't exactly like what they describe with Covid, but I sometimes wonder.
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Not that that matters much. They described so many symptoms as "Covid" that almost anything could have qualified. Remember "Covid toes"?
 
h_oder

h_oder

Veteran Member
Agreed. DH was in Vegas at the AWS re:Invent conference in December 2019. From there, we flew to Florida for Christmas. All of us were extremely ill over the course of the week (I was fortunate in that I was able to make it home before becoming the last one to succumb). The conference had attendees from all over the globe, China included. Did we have it? We'll never know. Has anyone in my family contracted Covid? Nope - and I know that my adult children have been exposed...
 
helen

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Without a test, and someone will die first, I can't prove I've had it. I'm certain I had it the first week of January 2020. I seem to have picked up a variant after Easter this year, with severe dizziness and falling. This time food tastes actively bad, even coffee. I shall never forgive the bioweapon engineers for ruining coffee.
 
Meemur

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Samuel Adams said:
Well, yeah.......it used to be called “the flu”, with variations and assorted manifestations.
Been around forever.
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This was different, Samuel. It was more like the Hong Kong flu I had as a child when I could barely get out of bed without help, plus it centered in my chest. Elderberry didn't seem to touch it. I was steaming with Vicks 3X/ day to ease breathing and passed several nights sleeping in my recliner so I was more upright. I did eventually shake it, but I was weak for awhile. Extremely nasty stuff!

I pride myself on getting up, showering, combing my hair, putting on moisturizer, and dressing for the day -- even if it's sweats -- no matter what! but I was hard-pressed to do even that, which is how bad it was.
 
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Lone Eagle Woman

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Now do agree with this also that it was here in the US before they admitted it was. Knew several people locally who thought that it was around before they admitted that it was.

Now before there was one official case in the region I live in. I had something which caused me to have some continuous light coughing for three weeks straight, but with no other symptoms. No one else I knew or came in contact with, came down with this coughing. Who knows what it was. But have been totally healthy before this coughing and after completely.
 
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fi103r

Veteran Member
Meemur said:
This was different, Samuel. It was more like the Hong Kong flu I had as a child when I could barely get out of bed without help, plus it centered in my chest. Elderberry didn't seem to touch it. I was steaming with Vicks 3X/ day to ease breathing and passed several nights sleeping in my recliner so I was more upright. I did eventually shake it, but I was weak for awhile. Extremely nasty stuff!

I pride myself on getting up, showering, combing my hair, putting on moisturizer, and dressing for the day -- even if it's sweats -- no matter what! but I was hard-pressed to do even that, which is how bad it was.
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I remember the Hong Kong flu in Germany circa 1968/69 tore through 3rd herd about 3 times
nasty, nasty stuff hit adults mainly kids were OK
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AlaskaSue

AlaskaSue

North to the Future
magnetic1 said:
I am positive I had Covid the first time in January of 2020 while I was in Florida. And also again in December. Same symptoms...
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Same here...I’m pretty sure that I also had it in Florida in Jan 2020. Three docs couldn’t figure it out...had a very bad cough. Took vits and decongestant and inhaled steroid. Took a solid three weeks to feel better but was kept on RX a few more months.
 
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John Deere Girl

Veteran Member
I'm pretty sure our family, except for one member, had it in February 2020. I was sick for 3 weeks. It hurt to move and I still occasionally have trouble catching my breath. The one member who didn't get sick, got COVID in the fall, but the rest of our family did not.
 
Cyclonemom

Cyclonemom

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It most certainly had to have been around. The first major outbreak event was at a nursing home in Oregon!

I highly doubt it was a bunch of globe-trotting great grannies in wheelchairs that brought it to the USA.

They just happened to be the first ones to be tested specifically for it.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Nightwolf and I have both been wondering about that weird respiratory disease that was killing young people and was supposedly caused by "vaping" a few months before the official COVID story came out. There is no way to be certain, but we have wondered if some of those cases may actually have been COVID-19, perhaps masked by vaping (or made worse by it)?

Especially because vaping hasn't totally gone away, and yet we don't hear any more about this issue...
 
Meemur

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Melodi said:
Especially because vaping hasn't totally gone away, and yet we don't hear any more about this issue...
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We thought maybe there was some poison in the vaping pens. I do remember one of the youngsters quit vaping then and there and hasn't done it since, so that was one good thing.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Meemur said:
We thought maybe there was some poison in the vaping pens. I do remember one of the youngsters quit vaping then and there and hasn't done it since, so that was one good thing.
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Yes and that may also have been an issue, but it happened so quickly; vaping was almost (but not quite supressed) and then the story went away. Since people do still vape, you would think there would be occasional cases of this cropping up, especially with Chinese or third world ingredients but neither of us has heard a peep since COVID was recognized.
 
kjacks

kjacks

Senior Member
helen said:
Here is the scholarly article. They had blood samples that predated the first known COVID-19 case in the U.S. The samples tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies. It's been here longer than previously thought.

Remember when vaping caused a strange pulmonary disease in the U.S?

academic.oup.com

Serologic Testing of US Blood Donations to Identify Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)–Reactive Antibodies: December 2019–January 2020

Retrospective SARS-CoV-2 serological testing of routine blood donations collected in 9 US states from 13 December 2019–17 January 2020 suggests that the virus w
academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
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Agree, I had it in November 2019 after we took friends to the airport...worst case of coughing I've ever had, wound up with walking pneumonia & took over a month to get back to normal...
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
kjacks said:
Agree, I had it in November 2019 after we took friends to the airport...worst case of coughing I've ever had, wound up with walking pneumonia & took over a month to get back to normal...
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hmmm

March 2019 had my (what I thought was) 4th bout of pneumonia--and by far the worst. Came on graudually, like bronchitis, but WOULD NOT let go. I coughed so much my stomach muscles were too sore for me to life down flat from a sitting position I couldn't do it for months. My doctors kept me out of the hospital--but I was having to go over to their office for twice-a-day nebulizer treatments, plus the several I was doing at home. I thought I never WOULD get over the hacking cough and the wheezing / struggling for breath.

But I thought it was just pneumonia..........
 
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Luddite

Veteran Member
155 arty said:
Same
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Yup. Us too.
"It" made a round through my work-place Dec 19 & Jan 20.

We think "patient zero" went to visit their sick mom and brought it in. Hospitalized mother recovered but illness was never truly nailed down. June/July20 same mother was re-admitted to hospital. Found to have anti-bodies at that time.

Anecdotal, sure.

None included in my group have officially had "it".
None tested for anti-bodies either though. (to my knowledge)
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Meemur said:
This was different, Samuel. It was more like the Hong Kong flu I had as a child when I could barely get out of bed without help, plus it centered in my chest. Elderberry didn't seem to touch it. I was steaming with Vicks 3X/ day to ease breathing and passed several nights sleeping in my recliner so I was more upright. I did eventually shake it, but I was weak for awhile. Extremely nasty stuff!

I pride myself on getting up, showering, combing my hair, putting on moisturizer, and dressing for the day -- even if it's sweats -- no matter what! but I was hard-pressed to do even that, which is how bad it was.
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I had similar, when I was about 14, and later in life, mid 30s.

Debilitating.

No Gates or Fauxi in sight at the time.

Hence my post.
 
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