LEGAL The Very Real Danger of Politically Sanctioned Violence

Jackpine Savage

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The Very Real Danger of Politically Sanctioned Violence

Justice is dead in America. The ideal of everyone being equal under the law is now a quaint relic of olden times. We are now all on George Orwell's animal farm, and the pigs have clearly stated that all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

By Michael Bane - April 15, 2021

One of the most important and least understood elements of self-defense is the social “landscape” in which self-defense takes place. If you’re puzzled about that statement, let’s go with a blunt trauma example. You are visiting rainy London and have the misfortune to be set upon by thieves, whom you repel with your classic black British umbrella. Instead of a gold star and a funny story to tell your friends back home, you may very well be changed with the crime of carrying a weapon, which is defined ex post facto as carrying anything that is used as a weapon.

Under those rules, you could remove a button from your very British tweed vest, flick it in the eye of your attacker and technically be as guilty as if you were the one tossing the jar of acid in your face.

It’s fair to say that the landscape inn the U.K. is wildly slanted against any sort of self-defense. Violence is the exclusive province of the state.

Until recently, the self-defense landscape in the United States was pretty straightforward. Of course the laws varied from state to state (sometimes municipality to municipality), but there was a general acceptance that, yes, Americans had a right to protect themselves and their families.

That right, however, is now inoperative (and if not completely absent, then bent wildly out of shape). This is because of something that up until recently been rare or absent in the U.S., the concept of politically sanctioned violence.

I’m going to have to carve out my own definition here, as most other definitions of political and state violence don’t really work here. Politically sanctioned violence is violence that is implicitly encouraged, allowed and/or protected by a politically entity of some sort. In the specific case we’re talking about here, the current iteration of the Democratic Party, far far to the left of any other iteration of that party, has implicitly encouraged, allowed and protected street violence by groups such as Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other splinter groups. The actions the party, or members of the party acting ostensibly on their own, to protect the perpetrators of such violence include no or very few arrests, quick no-cash-bail-required release from jail in the case of arrests, providing or raising funds to be used for legal services of rioters, providing “services” to the perpetrators, including transportation (somebody payed for all those buses), on-the-ground legal services, water and some medical services, and the most important resource of all, cash. Also, the various federal law enforcement agencies have shown a distinct lack of interest in investigating crimes stemming from the long 2020 summer of riots and the current iteration of riots and fire-setting.

I don’t think I have to go through every incident to prove this to you guys. It is worth noting, however, the difference in the federal response to the events of January 6, 2021, at the Capitol, which barely meet the definition of a riot, much less an “insurrection.” It is April when I write this, and people are still being held without bail and in some cases without any charges being placed against them. To say this is un-American is a breathtaking understatement. Yet we already have a preview of this summer’s rioting already underway, including a recent case where Antifa set the Portland, OR, ICE facility on fire with people trapped inside…last I checked, that would be called “attempted homicide.” Arrests? Convictions? Even conceding that setting a building on fire with people inside is a bad idea?

Crickets.

So what does this have to do with you, a civilian concerned about personal safety?

More than you might think. Politically sanctioned violence has changed the self-defense landscape in the United States, and the sooner we accept this and modify both our behavior and training accordingly the more likely we are to stay out of the teeth of the beast.

For the most part, we have seen self-defense as binary, the defender versus the aggressor. That is consistent with the language we used on THE BEST DEFENSE; it is the language used in virtually all of the self-defense courses I have ever taken, and it makes perfect sense, “us versus them,” good versus bad.

But what if the aggressor we face is a member of one of the politically sanctioned groups? Well, you might ask Kyle Rittenhouse, who’s life — whatever the outcome of the murder charges against him — is ruined. Without going into a huge analysis of the incident, I suspect that a lot of us would say we were legally, morally and ethically able to respond with potentially lethal force if we were attacked by an aggressor with a “deadly weapon,” whether that weapon be gun, knife, a hammer or an improvised impact weapon, say, a skateboard. After all, that’s what we have taught and been taught.

But what if the aggressor is a member of one of the politically sanctioned — protected — groups? Here’s the Cliff Note’s answer: You are at fault, regardless of the circumstances; you are the one who will pay the price. The aggressor probably knows in advance that if he or she is actually arrested, a small likelihood, either there will be a legal team in place to spring them or they will face a “woke” district attorney elected by floods of money from globalists like George Soros, who were put in place specifically for this reason. There are no legal consequences to their actions.

And what do you think those committed, “woke” DAs will do to you? Short answer…they will destroy you.

If that doesn’t scare you enough, consider that the aggressor you face will very likely know or will have been taught just exactly how far they can go to push you into an escalating reaction. In fact, they want that escalating reaction on your part, because it will play well in the wildly biased media reports…you will be the “thug;” the aggressor will be the “victim.” That is how this particular game is played.

So, let’s get down to the nuts and bolts. Some of this material is stolen wholesale from Ed Monk of Last Resort Training’s presentation at TAC-CON 2021, and it is very consistent with my own thinking.
  1. Situational awareness is the most important element of the new landscape! You cannot get caught up in a riot if you are not there.You can’t get sucked not a shouting match in a restaurant if you and your party stands up and leaves before the planned “incident” fully gets under way. You cannot be drawn into an escalating event if you refuse to engage. Situational awareness is more than studying in advance or even responding farther “down the curve” as we have talked about so many times. Situational awareness is also an awareness of the entire situation…if you know you are being verbally attacked and physically threatened with the specific intent of of causing you to react, or over-react, that should change your response matrix, shouldn’t it?
  2. “Verbal Judo” will likely not work. Most of us have incorporated verbal commands into our self-defense repertoire, and I can tell you from personal experience that it works. That is, it works on what we might think of as the average aggressor, who doesn’t want to advertise what’s happening. “STOP!” works wonders. However, when we look at a similar situation the politically sanctioned aspect folded in, there’s no benefit for the aggressor to stop. They want the confrontation, and your shouting “Stop! Stop!” probably only adds to the clamor. It is also safe to assume that verbal deescalation will not work, since this is not a situation where the aggressor has “wound themselves up” for the confrontation or attack. It is likely not an impulsive attack. Rather, the event has been predetermined, with roles assigned to the aggressors.
  3. Everything is being recorded! This point should probably be tattooed on our foreheads. They is always a camera, and everything is always being recorded, usually from multiple angles. And a corollary is that the videos/angles shown in the Mainstream Media and, should it go farther, in court, will be the ones that show you in the worst possible light. Videos will either be streamed live to the Internet from the scene or will be posted very shortly afterwards. This is 100%, folks. You must assume that every action you take and every word you say will be all over the world before you even catch your breath, so you must plan in advance how you will deal with politically sanctioned violence! Referencing back to Point #2, attempts at verbal deescalation, even if they have no chance of working, does have a potential benefit for you if you’re able to put yourself in the best light: “Please leave us alone!,” “We’re leaving!,” “You’re scaring my child!” You are a terrified person trying to leave the scene…play that role!
  4. The police are not coming! To put this bluntly, American law enforcement, especially in urban areas, has been totally neutered. Police departments have been “defunded,” lost a huge percentage of their officers, lost qualified immunity and know that neither their department or the politicians in the area they serve will back them up. They know that if they help you, they will suffer your fate — or worse. The videos don’t lie. You cannot watch the videos of the on-going riots without understanding that you are on your own. This is harsh, but it is no less true. Should you call 911? Absolutely, because it puts you in the best light if the event should end up in court. Just don’t expect the cavalry to come riding over the hill.
  5. Testosterone is your enemy. I get furious just watching some of these events! But if you are in the soup, and you become so furious that you “lose it,” congratulations, you’ve just given the aggressor what he or she wants more than anything in the world…your head on a platter. You are going to have to swallow your anger. You are going to have to make sure that, in your anger, you don’t blurt out words that, when played on CNN, will add fuel to the witch-burning frenzy that you’re already embroiled in.
  6. Walk away. I’m pretty sure this grates on your as much as it does on me, but they most likely way for you to keep your house, your bank accounts and your sanity is to walk away. Obviously, avoidance and breaking contact when possible are critically important in a “regular” violent incident, but they are often greater importance if you and your family is caught up in a political event. The good news is that politically sanctioned violence events aren’t necessarily designed to kill you. When you disengage from an assault or a mugging or any “real” violent event, it is with the knowledge that the aggressor has already made the decision to do you harm or even kill you if you don’t comply. However, at its core, politically sanctioned violence is theater. While the aggressors might indeed do you harm (or even kill you) in the heat of the moment, that’s not the primary purpose of the attack. While it is likely, based on what we’ve seen over the last year, that you and your family may be followed and harassed even as you attempt to disengage, it is still the safest, if hardest, path for you to follow.
  7. You still need to understand where your “line in the sand” is. I have discussed at length with my Sweetie at which point I will respond and at which point if I am otherwise engaged she will respond. DO NOT POST THAT INFORMATION ON-LINE! Our enemies are not idiots, and most of them can read as well as we can. We have gotten to used to putting far too much of our personal lives on line where anyone can ready them. Remember that the landscape has changed…do not give aid, comfort or any information to the enemy. OPSEC, kids!
  8. The weapons don’t come out until it is time to use them. Presentation in this kind of situation, especially a riot, is guaranteed to escalate the situation. You have an ace in the hole…keep it there until it’s time to turn over the card.
  9. Call your lawyer immediately. You have a lawyer, right? Use him or her. The sooner your lawyer is involved the better chance you have of surviving the second part of the ordeal.
  10. Don’t expect “justice.” Justice is dead in America. The ideal of everyone being equal under the law is now a quaint relic of olden times. We are now all on George Orwell’s animal farm, and the pigs have clearly stated that all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. You and your family are on the wrong side of that equation. The thugs, the pigs, understand that they have the whip-hand, and they have shown themselves very willing to use it. This is what a Cold (for now) Civil War looks like.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maxine Waters urges Minnesota anti-police crowd to ‘stay on the street’ if Chauvin acquitted in Floyd case
Brie Stimson

4 minutes


U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., showed up at an anti-police brutality protest in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, on Saturday evening, saying demonstrators needed to "stay on the street," demanding justice until police reform becomes a reality.
"I’m going to fight with all of the people who stand for justice," Waters told reporters shortly before an 11 p.m. curfew. "We’ve got to get justice in this country and we cannot allow these killings to continue."
Asked about the Derek Chauvin murder trial in Minneapolis, Waters told reporters if the former police officer isn't found guilty of murdering George Floyd, "We've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."
"We've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."
— U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif.
PAT ROBERTSON: DEREK CHAUVIN SHOULD BE PUT 'UNDER THE JAIL' FOR DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD
Waters said she was "hopeful" Chauvin would be convicted of murder, but if he isn't, "we cannot go away."
"We’ve got to fight for justice," she added, saying she is pressing for a police reform bill to be passed in Congress but said Republicans would likely stand in the way.
She reportedly said she plans to stay in Minnesota until Monday when closing arguments are expected in the Chauvin trial, according to New York Times reporter Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs.
"This is a very difficult time in the history of this country," Waters, 82, a member of Congress since 1991, told The Associated Press. "We have to let people know that we are not going to be satisifed unless we get justice in these cases."
As reporters gathered around her, Waters said the protesters ultimately needed to show up at the polls for candidates who align with their views.
"The way to get in control is not to allow them to win," Waters said of political opponents, in comments that aired on FOX 9 in Minneapolis. "You've got to register and you've got to vote and you've got to take the power."
"The way to get in control is not to allow them to win. ... You've got to take the power."
— U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif.
Chauvin is accused of killing Floyd on May 25, 2020, by kneeling on Floyd's neck for several minutes. Defense witnesses have spoken of Floyd's health issues and drug use as other possible causes.
Others appearing in Brooklyn Center on Saturday included the Rev. Jesse Jackson. The crowd was demonstrating for the seventh straight night against the fatal police shooting of Daunte Wright, 20, during a traffic stop last Sunday.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson greets demonstrators during a protest April 17, 2021, in Brooklyn Center, Minn. (Associated Press)

The Rev. Jesse Jackson greets demonstrators during a protest April 17, 2021, in Brooklyn Center, Minn. (Associated Press)
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The clashes have included demonstrators throwing objects at police. Police arrested more than 100 people Friday but it was unlcear if any arrests were made Saturday.
The officer who allegedly killed Wright, identified as Kim Potter, resigned last week, as did the Brooklyn Center police chief. Potter claimed she accidentally grabbed her gun instead of a stun gun and shot Wright with the firearm. She faces manslaughter charges.
Waters reportedly left the protest shortly before the curfew took effect. A small crowd remained defiant after the curfew began.
 

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
There is also possible safety in numbers- say if you go out, try to meet up with a couple of friends. I go out the absolute minimum to very trusted places and only for a short time. Reading this I was reminded of the mentally ill drug addicted ex girlfriend who did her best to provoke me into hitting her. Thanks be to God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit- she is gone. When I tried to talk to the cops about her borderline violence, "There's no such thing." And we all know who would have gone to jail...sorry if a bit too personal, I'm still healing.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
And out of all of the author's points his first point is the most important one.....situational awareness. And that is one reason why when things get spicy you want to be where everyone else isn't. I live and work in a low threat zone not a no threat zone as there is no such animal. And even in such an environment you have to be on your toes. Head locked, fat, dumb and happy in condition white is a surefire way to invite disaster. One should always be in condition yellow as a minimum.

Sometimes the trouble finds you no matter how careful you are but much of it can be avoided by avoiding it in the first place.
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
By all means AVOID these places whenever possible. However they may end up on your front door.

This is basically the "Duty to Flee" brought to a whole new level.

Going by the suggestions of the OP we are neutered to the point of subservience and should simply bow down and kiss the boots of our assailants/oppressors.

The one thing they left out however is going 180 degree's away from this and instead of saying "Stop" just say "NO, I WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT"

We are at the "Rubicon" in this vein, it's time to decide to cross or not. One you have the chance of winning and defeating this travesty that we have allowed or two you remain a slave and are beaten into submission.

This is really just a matter of decision.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
the OP makes multiple observations - every one of which are not only wise but extremely valid . . . here are several more:
  • you are NOW the Jews of the Warsaw ghettos - not tomorrow, not "becoming" - but RFN
  • the time to cut fence and slit throats is BEHIND YOU - that time was 20 PLUS yrs ago
  • you didn't stand when you should have and PEACEABLY COULD HAVE - and you are NOT going to STAND now
  • the vast majority of this can be laid DIRECTLY at the feet of the do gooders and hand wringers - you sacrificed YOUR progeny for THEIRS, bought into the LIES that you were a BIGOTED HOMOPHOBIC WHITE SUPREMACIST - enjoy the bed YOU made for yourselves
  • many will not even REFUSE TO COMPLY with the growing bullshit - its far too uncomfortable and it could get "messy"
  • the WE that could be and certainly SHOULD BE will die on the funeral pyre of "let somebody else do it" and "you'll never get everybody to go along"
bottom line? you're FOOKED if you DO and FOOKED if you DON'T - welcome to 'murKKa . . . you deserve what you're getting because your collective apathy and "go along to get along"
ALLOWED IT TO DEVELOP
disagree? - GREAT - tell me where I'm wrong
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I say again - you MUST be aware of the current legal and psychological landscape. If you are going to act as all bets are off and anything goes, you had best be sure you are correct. You are not starring in your own personal action movie, and decisions have consequences. Decide well ....
 

bartp40

Veteran Member
People do not realize the term “justice” has been changed to “just us” depending on what group is talking.
 

Voortrekker

Veteran Member
I think that if businesses and other people put their minds to it, those "protestors" could just disappear and never bother anyone ever again. Of course, being a missing person is another matter. Just saying...YMMV. OPSEC, COMSEC, JURISSEC.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I think that if businesses and other people put their minds to it, those "protestors" could just disappear and never bother anyone ever again. Of course, being a missing person is another matter. Just saying...YMMV. OPSEC, COMSEC, JURISSEC.
The businesses and the people living there ELECTED the dirtbags who are (passively) backing it all.
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
I say again - you MUST be aware of the current legal and psychological landscape. If you are going to act as all bets are off and anything goes, you had best be sure you are correct. You are not starring in your own personal action movie, and decisions have consequences. Decide well ....
Yes for sure...there have been other such times with very similar landscapes.

One such time has it's anniversary tomorrow, some 246 years have gone by since.

Those folks knew for a fact that if they did not hang together when they acted they would most assuredly hang separately.

They understood the consequences as did their future compatriots , they took action a year and a half later and pledged EVERYTHING by doing so.

They said "NO" . Some, no most, paid a huge price for it.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
Good read
Go back and read Maureens stuff

If ya just gotta shoot. Why stick around
Cops gonna take you regardless
DAs gonna prosecute you regardless
You will go to jail regardless

Hell. I don’t know at this juncture just what should be done

Right here in my very conservative state in my very conservative county we have a district attorney who has charged 6 six police officers for manslaughter charges

City of Norman has a mayor who defunded one of the best educated police departments in the state
And the cit of Edmond just elected a liberal black democrat mayor
I just don’t know
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
Good read
Go back and read Maureens stuff

If ya just gotta shoot. Why stick around
Cops gonna take you regardless
DAs gonna prosecute you regardless
You will go to jail regardless

Hell. I don’t know at this juncture just what should be done

Right here in my very conservative state in my very conservative county we have a district attorney who has charged 6 six police officers for manslaughter charges

City of Norman has a mayor who defunded one of the best educated police departments in the state
And the cit of Edmond just elected a liberal black democrat mayor
I just don’t know

I posted this article on a local gun board. One guy replied that he was aware of two self defense cases in the Twin Cites area in the last couple years where a white guy was questionably charged defending himself against a protected class. Both resulted in hung juries in the first trials. Both were retried. One resulted in another hung jury and the other one is still in progress. If they can't convict you they will at least do their best to leave you penniless.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
All the macho talk is fine but not realistic. Unless you are a single guy(or gal) and are only responsible for yourself, fine do whatever you think is best.
But most people have families. If you commit violence and live through it, you will almost certainly at the very least spend some time in jail. This would likely mean the loss of your job and lawyer fees will eat any savings you have now. Also the police will terrorize your family and rip your place apart searching for whatever they want to search for and take what they want.
At some point maybe in the future, you will have less to lose and the negatives of committing violence will start to pale.
And never talk about committing violence on the 'net, or in a bar, or any social gathering, or even in the back yard with your buddy.
None of us know the future.
 

JF&P

Deceased
I've sold my guns, cause I needed the money and I'm too old and sickly to even think about joining an insurrection...besides its not going to happen...I don't care how much testosterone some of you guys have....there will be no second civil war. That doesn't mean that the big cities may explode...but I moved to my country location years ago in anticipation of that kind of issue.

IMHO
 

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
I say again - you MUST be aware of the current legal and psychological landscape. If you are going to act as all bets are off and anything goes, you had best be sure you are correct. You are not starring in your own personal action movie, and decisions have consequences. Decide well ....
Decide well and understand that no matter what you do it will probably be mortally and moraly wrong to others who will determine your fate.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Even though I live well away from these kinds of events, I don't feel secure. Especially because of the final destruction and passing of actual rule of law (RIP). Sure, my state's laws are enforced; to the best of their ability. And our state justice system, is still holding -- for now. But with the ever-persistent pressure to Federalize and centralize; and with the precedents in "law" being set in the liberal enclaves, sooner or later it's likely to spread to all the states.

Unless we get politically active (in the traditional sense) in our localities and states and hold those people accountable to actually representing the values and morality of the people here. Or unless we split apart; amicably or through conflict into separate countries. Perhaps those aren't dissimilar states of being.

When your own government declares war on you over political ideology and way of life you know you'll have to fight. When & where TBD. You will become an outlaw by no actions of your own and the system is rigged against you... so there is nothing left to lose through fighting this corruption of the law and principles of the country.

Except honor, fortune & life -- and in numerous ways, the government is already coming for these too.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
the OP makes multiple observations - every one of which are not only wise but extremity valid . . . here are several more:
  • you are NOW the Jews of the Warsaw ghettos - not tomorrow, not "becoming" - but RFN
  • the time to cut fence and slit throats is BEHIND YOU - that time was 20 PLUS yrs ago
  • you didn't stand when you should have and PEACEABLY COULD HAVE - and you are NOT going to STAND now
  • the vast majority of this can be laid DIRECTLY at the feet of the do gooders and hand wringers - you sacrificed YOUR progeny for THEIRS, bought into the LIES that you were a BIGOTED HOMOPHOBIC WHITE SUPREMACIST - enjoy the bed YOU made for yourselves
  • many will not even REFUSE TO COMPLY with the growing bullshit - its far too uncomfortable and it could get "messy"
  • the WE that could be and certainly SHOULD BE will die on the funeral pyre of "let somebody else do it" and "you'll never get everybody to go along"
bottom line? you're FOOKED if you DO and FOOKED if you DON'T - welcome to 'murKKa . . . you deserve what you're getting because your collective apathy and "go along to get along"
ALLOWED IT TO DEVELOP
disagree? - GREAT - tell me where I'm wrong
Can't find a single thing to disagree with.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some think they are safe because of where they live but they are not.
I live in the boonies but I know violence could find us here.
Besides the ghetto apes and druggies there are tens of thousands coming across our border every day and then they disperse all across the USA. Some of those might choose rural areas to steal or worse.
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
All the macho talk is fine but not realistic. Unless you are a single guy(or gal) and are only responsible for yourself, fine do whatever you think is best.
But most people have families. If you commit violence and live through it, you will almost certainly at the very least spend some time in jail. This would likely mean the loss of your job and lawyer fees will eat any savings you have now. Also the police will terrorize your family and rip your place apart searching for whatever they want to search for and take what they want.
At some point maybe in the future, you will have less to lose and the negatives of committing violence will start to pale.
And never talk about committing violence on the 'net, or in a bar, or any social gathering, or even in the back yard with your buddy.
None of us know the future.
Correct

However, IF you have a family and this comes TO you, do you not have a duty to do what is necessary?

These....individuals have stated they want to come out of the city, I think it is prudent to take them at their word. They have thus far meant what they said and acted on it. They have the illegitimate Government behind them, hell they have said that some of these people don't even exist!

How is it "Macho" talk to speak about defending oneself ?

Perhaps we have gone too far and worry too much , that pendulum has to swing back at some point.

Someone else said that those who would speak of this is just testosterone filled ...what we should be looking at is our LACK of it....losing it has gotten us here, actually talking about giving more ground to our enemy, those who have made their intention well known...they want you dead.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I say again - you MUST be aware of the current legal and psychological landscape. If you are going to act as all bets are off and anything goes, you had best be sure you are correct. You are not starring in your own personal action movie, and decisions have consequences. Decide well ....

110% accurate - the only difficulty? YOU will NEVER BE "correct". the rules are changed and made up as we travel along the road; the tables are rigged the house will always hold the trump card.

better to note - in the unlikely happenstance that you haven't already - EVERYBODY is on a hair trigger. stay OUT of crowds and away from anything that could become a potential trouble source.

the 10 points mentioned in the OP are quite worthy of memorization - at the very least a daily refresher visit". most here are up to speed but we all have family who isn't. that entire OP is well worth a cut and paste to share
 

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

Veteran Member
All the macho talk is fine but not realistic. Unless you are a single guy(or gal) and are only responsible for yourself, fine do whatever you think is best.
But most people have families. If you commit violence and live through it, you will almost certainly at the very least spend some time in jail. This would likely mean the loss of your job and lawyer fees will eat any savings you have now. Also the police will terrorize your family and rip your place apart searching for whatever they want to search for and take what they want.
At some point maybe in the future, you will have less to lose and the negatives of committing violence will start to pale.
And never talk about committing violence on the 'net, or in a bar, or any social gathering, or even in the back yard with your buddy.
None of us know the future.

Add this post to the OP as for what our course of action has to be, for now. I'll add a few of my own.

If you go out to eat, ONLY go to places where you know the lay of the land and know a lot of the people in it. We all have our favorite "go to" places and I have several that are in surrounding towns to me. I know that if shite starts there that it's not going to go well for the instigators. This is not the time to be trying new spots especially in a downtown area.

Really think about "outside dining" and if it is worth it as that seems to be the favorite gathering spots of these scumbags when it comes to starting crap. If you do sit outside, stay AWARE of what is going on and have an alternate way or two to unass the area the SECOND you start hearing stuff happening. IF that means you stiff the check, who cares. I sure as hell don't if me and mine are in danger. I'm gone! Don't wait for the waitress, don't wait for anything. be GONE!

If you are inside, know every way out of the building. including some ways that are not readily apparent. For example, every kitchen in a decent sized restaurant has a back door. use it if necessary, just go. Several chain places have "emergency exits" that say something along the lines of "emergency use only, alarm will sound" So? who cares if it goes off, certainly you shouldn't give a damn. just hit the red bar and be gone. Oh and if it is a "delayed alarm" that says "push and hold, door will release in 15 (or 30 or 45 seconds) then you pull the fire alarm that by code should be at that same exit door. Fire alarm goes off, that door unlocks IMMEDIATELY per NFPA fire codes. so you set the fire alarm off, who cares. YOU are out and gone and away.

This is not the time to worry about silly rules if stuff goes sideways. You do what needs to be done to be gone. any way you can. If the authorities are not doing anything to stop this crap of terrorizing diners at a restaurant, who gives a rats ass about a restaurants rules, or setting off a fire alarm to drop out magnetic door closures or even traffic laws. just GO.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Correct

However, IF you have a family and this comes TO you, do you not have a duty OBLIGATION to do what is necessary?


Someone else said that those who would speak of this is just testosterone filled ...what we should be looking at is our LACK of it....losing it has gotten us here, actually talking about giving more ground to our enemy, those who have made their intention well known...they want you dead.

well taken point - as I said above it should have been arrested or at least attenuated LONG ago. eventually we will arrive at the edge of the abyss - not because we have chose to walk that way but becasue we have been drug kicking and screaming there. at THAT POINT each of us will have a decision to make. its been said here many times before that the time to decide what you will "accept" - and what you will not - is now.

I could not agree more.
 
I think we need to punch back hard right in the f***ing face. Let's get this shit on the road.
Abstractly speaking - it is the money, legal folks/DAs and politicos, and others who are enabling/encouraging this issue to thrive, who need to be hunted down and physically stopped from doing further harm to our country/culture and Constitutional Republic.

THAT is the correct answer, here, in order to remediate this issue. Put the "fear of God" in these communists, and make THEM look over their shoulder every waking minute.

They have/are knowingly making their evil choices - let them pay the price/reap what they sow.


intothegoodnight
 

stop tyranny

Veteran Member
I will agree that justice does not exist in many places. At the same time if our response when attacked or given the opportunity to help others who are being attacked is to run away we have only further emboldened our enemies. You have to understand the mentality of those who seek to destroy our Constitutional Republic. being a pacifist will only make matters worse. It is like the saying give them an inch and they will take a mile (this IS the reason we are facing the our current threat). There are no easy solutions left at this point. The choices are fight or embrace a country where you have no freedom, opportunity, or religion except those approved by your new ruler.
Even those who cower to this evil will have no assurance they will not have their wealth confiscated or lives taken for the "so called" greater good.
Do not be fooled into thinking this will not effect you. It is like a cancer that will only spread unless stopped.
 

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
I will agree that justice does not exist in many places. At the same time if our response when attacked or given the opportunity to help others who are being attacked is to run away we have only further emboldened our enemies. You have to understand the mentality of those who seek to destroy our Constitutional Republic. being a pacifist will only make matters worse. It is like the saying give them an inch and they will take a mile (this IS the reason we are facing the our current threat). There are no easy solutions left at this point. The choices are fight or embrace a country where you have no freedom, opportunity, or religion except those approved by your new ruler.
Even those who cower to this evil will have no assurance they will not have their wealth confiscated or lives taken for the "so called" greater good.
Do not be fooled into thinking this will not effect you. It is like a cancer that will only spread unless stopped.
But how do we stop it? The only legal method I see is jury nullification, and the unwashed can't comprehend that. The unwashed who will be on your jury BTW.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Abstractly speaking - it is the money, legal folks/DAs and politicos, and others who are enabling/encouraging this issue to thrive, who need to be hunted down and physically stopped from doing further harm to our country/culture and Constitutional Republic.

THAT is the correct answer, here, in order to remediate this issue. Put the "fear of God" in these communists, and make THEM look over their shoulder every waking minute.

They have/are knowingly making their evil choices - let them pay the price/reap what they sow.


intothegoodnight
Yes. A very small percent of wicked, selfish persons rule the country. Very very small. But how to put them on the defensive, legally? Where is Zorro when you need him? Some extra legal super hero that -like the thugs do- leaves a horses head in their bed as a warning...
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
But how do we stop it? The only legal method I see is jury nullification, and the unwashed can't comprehend that. The unwashed who will be on your jury BTW.
You are going on the assumption that there still exists a rule of law in this country .

There was a story floating around and I wish I could remember the title but it had to do with a man passing out the rules of Jury Nullification outside a courthouse to everyone entering, Jurors were his target audience of course.

The Judge had him arrested and charged with contempt of court.

I do not know what became of it.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
The Judge had him arrested and charged with contempt of court.

I remember that too . . . ARROGANT damn "judge" (spit) - charging a man with "contempt of court" despite the fact that he's:
  • OUTSIDE the freaking court house
  • NOT in front of the "judge" who has the BALLS to charge the guy
I have the misfortune of having TWO of these pompous assklowns as relatives - BIL and SIL - RA's brother and his wife. book smart pompous do as I say not as I do club members of the first order. came up to see MIL 2days after the St Trayvon affair. . . waked in the house and promptly declared that "the Zimmerman is guilty as shit and he's going down" similar sentiments expressed by SIL - the wife. they had NOTHING to do with the case - it wasn't even in the county where they sat - and yet these "FINDERS OF FACT" had determined the guy was guilty without ever seeing anything more than the news.

we could damn sure do with a few hundred million less lawyers in this country
 
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