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Posted on April 15, 2021 by DRenegade

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I went out yesterday into what is left of the real world. Here are some observations:
  1. Help wanted signs are everywhere. No one wants (or needs) to work because of COVID helicopter money.
  2. The plumbing company which was to finish the rough-in of my house in three weeks sent me an email stating that they would not be able to complete their contract due to lack of employees. I went in person to discuss this and was told that they are down to one plumber. They cannot even get manual laborers to assist the plumber.
  3. The cost of gas, food and construction materials continue to rise.
I previously wrote that 2/3 of small businesses closed last year because “COVID”. The Burger King here had to close last week for a short time due to no employees showing up to work. Another restaurant advertised for kitchen help and wait staff – two weeks later and not one application was submitted. These are not isolated incidents and I am confident that you are hearing/seeing the same in your areas.
On the flip side of the “COVID” coin, employees are holding their employers hostage. They want more money and have a dwindling work ethic. Sonic is offering $17/hr for employees and McDonalds is offering a $500 signing bonus. It does not take a genius (or politician) to see the writing on the wall.

For those sapient individuals who prepared for this collapse, civil war and great reset to the new world order, I commend your foresight and wish you well.

David DeGerolamo
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It took us almost three months to find two techs to hire (Veterinary)
Every clinic that I’m aware of is short staffed.

Central Indiana.
Turn over is really bad and they’re all so young , the ones that DO come in, or have other issues it’s almost impossible! We went ahead and hired our extern two weeks into her training, and she isn’t worth five cents in my opinion.
They’re ALL ADDICTED to their d#%^ cell phones and not one lick of work ethic.
None.
They’ll potty in a dirty toilet before it ever crosses their minds to clean the thing, same goes for everything else in the building.

I’m wore out.
I can’t imagine what it must be like in major industries.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Wondering how getting back on a regular day school routine would change things. Must be difficult and expensive to find child care and pick up services. Often, that does not offset the financial benefits of working, particularly if minimum wages increase.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
Wondering how getting back on a regular day school routine would change things. Must be difficult and expensive to find child care and pick up services. Often, that does not offset the financial benefits of working, particularly if minimum wages increase.
My daughter is keeping the kids home still. Schools can't make up their tiny minds about opening. It's all for the good(says me). At least they aren't teaching them the evil shite they are so prone to do.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Ya know, I have to wonder how much of the current inability to find employees, can be chalked up as equally to people being pissed off, as much as to being paid to stay unemployed.
Most jobs are so unenticing to start with, that only the specter of starvation can get people to consider taking them.
People are tired of being screwed, and screwed with.
People are angry as well.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Ya know, I have to wonder how much of the current inability to find employees, can be chalked up as equally to people being pissed off, as much as to being paid to stay unemployed.
Most jobs are so unenticing to start with, that only the specter of starvation can get people to consider taking them.
People are tired of being screwed, and screwed with.
People are angry as well.

Great article Doz..
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
Turn over is really bad and they’re all so young , the ones that DO come in, or have other issues it’s almost impossible! We went ahead and hired our extern two weeks into her training, and she isn’t worth five cents in my opinion.
They’re ALL ADDICTED to their d#%^ cell phones and not one lick of work ethic.
None.
we had to start making them LOCK there cell phones in there locker , and could not take it out until they left work for the day .
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I think there is a combination of factors, but on the low-end of things, a large number of employees tend to be single mothers, as service jobs are often the first job women get when they are divorced or widowed.

When I was in AFDC, the thing almost not talked about during the "Bush1" and later "Clinton" welfare to work programs was that the private contractors running them got paid every time they got a person (usually a single mother) a job.

But most of them lost those jobs the moment the government-subsidized child care went away because none of these jobs paid enough to put more than one child in daycare and even one was often pushing it. The other reason the women ended up back on AFDC was if they or their child had a health crisis, and a health crisis in a child unable to go to school often meant getting fired.

The actual government regulations at the time declared that school was DAYCARE and that children nine and over could be latch key kids. This was at the same time that California law mandated that any child below the age of 12 who was "home alone" was child abuse and the children should be removed from the family - that was always a barrel of fun for the folks who worked in the child-care oversight unit.

Nearly 30 years later, I don't imagine anyone today wants to leave a ten-year-old "Home Alone" day after day, especially in an urban center.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
On the flip side of the “COVID” coin, employees are holding their employers hostage. They want more money and have a dwindling work ethic. Sonic is offering $17/hr for employees and McDonalds is offering a $500 signing bonus. It does not take a genius (or politician) to see the writing on the wall.

No no, that's not "holding their employers hostage." That's "understanding your market value and behaving accordingly." It's part of capitalism. It's just part that favors the employee over the employer. I understand how he's confused, though; it doesn't happen often, so it's hard to tell when you see it.
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
I retired a couple of years ago. Once a week I eat fast food for lunch, its a vice of mine. All of the fast food places have help wanted signs offering $10+ an hour plus a sign on bonus if you stick around 3 months. The last couple of weeks I've been talking to them about their job openings and have offered to work there one or 2 days a week, day shift, if I could also get all I could eat for the day I'm on my shift. All have said they can't do it. So for the lack of $10 to $15 in food they have lost a possible good employee. Its not like I'm 300 pounds. 4 or 5 McD fish sandwiches would be my limit for the day. Short sighted on their part I believe.

tbd
 

lonestar09

Veteran Member
It took us almost three months to find two techs to hire (Veterinary)
Every clinic that I’m aware of is short staffed.

Central Indiana.
Turn over is really bad and they’re all so young , the ones that DO come in, or have other issues it’s almost impossible! We went ahead and hired our extern two weeks into her training, and she isn’t worth five cents in my opinion.
They’re ALL ADDICTED to their d#%^ cell phones and not one lick of work ethic.
None.
They’ll potty in a dirty toilet before it ever crosses their minds to clean the thing, same goes for everything else in the building.

I’m wore out.
I can’t imagine what it must be like in major industries.
I had to re-read where you were twice, had the same issue at the vet here. Girl at front counter was more concerned with phone than dealing with customers. Talked to vet afterwards and complained about it.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I retired a couple of years ago. Once a week I eat fast food for lunch, its a vice of mine. All of the fast food places have help wanted signs offering $10+ an hour plus a sign on bonus if you stick around 3 months. The last couple of weeks I've been talking to them about their job openings and have offered to work there one or 2 days a week, day shift, if I could also get all I could eat for the day I'm on my shift. All have said they can't do it. So for the lack of $10 to $15 in food they have lost a possible good employee. Its not like I'm 300 pounds. 4 or 5 McD fish sandwiches would be my limit for the day. Short sighted on their part I believe.

tbd
They have a bottom line for costs which they have not yet adjusted to "the new normal".
I expect they will.
I also expect mask demands to go away, as they loosen up to get employees.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I don't see internet going away unless electricity does, and 'they' are working on that. I think TX was a trial run.
Shut down coal, go after nuke plants next, and poof, no electricity.
 

SurvivalRing

Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
I understand the current employer paradigm. Now, I see job openings literally everywhere I go. Having been a successful general manager for McD in rural Wyoming twenty years ago, I don’t think the cellphone pandemic can be overcome, and wouldn’t even try to do the same thing today. Older Americans understand work ethics. Unfortunately, that seems to be the ONLY generation with that ability.

From another angle, this Sunday marks the three year anniversary of the accident that disabled me permanently. At 58 years old, I was not, and even now, am not ready to be forced into retirement. It sucks REALLY bad. I see the jobs in this little podunk 6000 person town, that I would have killed for, even 10 years ago. I just can’t work at all because of my injuries. I’ve never not worked...in 45 years. It’s killing me...so many very good jobs even here, most that pay well...and I’m outside looking in.

examples:
a) the local post office (which my daughter works at, just finishing her first year there) is the worst situation I’ve ever heard. There are normally 6 city carriers for this town. One just retired, after FORTY years there. One just had surgery two weeks ago. She can case mail, but can’t carry. Another has been sick since last week. The T-6 (rotates between 5 routes, giving each carrier one day off) positions is just filled. Right now, 3 carriers are each carrying two full routes. I have never even heard of things this bad...

I’d apply at the post office to be a city carrier in a heartbeat, if I could. This town is a thousand times safer than the town I carried in back in Alabama.

b) I worked in state corrections/LEO for almost nine years. The state max prison facility is two miles away from my front door. There are almost 25 open positions for correctional officers. This facility has not been fully staffed for officers for years. Admin positions, food service, and nearly every other area within this facility has open positions. Why? Middle of nowhere, yet on a major interstate. Some of the best hunting and fishing in the nation can be found here in Wyoming. But shopping entails a six to eight hour round trip in any direction. Basics can be found in two grocery stores here in town. Both of these factor in to the decision to accept long term employment here.

My training when I started in Corrections was here at the max. It’s not really that bad, but because of Wyoming’s struggling economy, corrections is the only state agency that offers promotions and raises... for OFFICERS.

c) Burlington Northern Santa Fe. Railroad jobs, rail support jobs, of every kind. Been a dream of mine all the way back to being a young kid. Now that I live in a town that offers jobs on the rails, I can’t do it. Just...damn. They pay really good, with great benefits. Between here and Utah, the trains pass multiple mountain passes, requiring several helper engines, in the middle, and at the end, where cabooses used to be. Lots of trucks with rail setups, to run the length of the rails before the 9,000 ton trains make the journey. Like trains? Come to town.

Train riders have to build the train, check connections and air lines, and similar tasks. One of the requirements is that you have to be able to walk up to five miles a day. This would be along side the train, on the coarse rocks, uneven path. Great for a young man...hell, I used to do ten to twelve miles a day on my own city route in Birmingham, but that was over 20 years ago.

D) other great jobs here within a ten mile radius include every kind of position at the Sinclair Refinery. Many heavy equipment operators, electrical, plumbing, security, you name it. PacificCorp (power grid job), federal jobs (BLM - bureau of land management), tons of truck driver jobs, three truck stops within 15 miles, police, fire, analysts, banks, literally dozens of jobs.

Still, six fast food restaurants, five upscale classy restaurants, five convenience stores, teaching positions, city jobs. ALL of these with multiple job openings.

My limitations focus on returning to my own programming/multimedia skills, and I’m a week away from go time, and I’m excited to be RIGHT HERE.

6,000 population, middle of nowhere, and more than a hundred good paying jobs. Two hour drives in four directions to BIGGER towns, with maybe the same amount of jobs.

Bigger cities, four to six hours away. 100,000 population or more. Crime rates dozens of times worse. Rent/housing two to three times more. Fast food? Eat it sure...work there? Oh HELL no!

The crashing economy? Depends on where you live, it seems.

I did my time in fast food. Never again...

There. Are. Options.

Don’t depend on the news to tell you the truth. Don’t let politicians steer your boat. Decide what you want, and make the decision to act...then, just follow through.

The economy does suck, and in the big picture, will continue to suck. But, there are always better places to be, anytime, anywhere...

Electricity? Wyoming has coal, oil, gas, methane, you name it. Go with the hunting, fishing, camping? Who needs electricity?

P.S. I forgot to mention the 12 hotels, 2 KOA campgrounds, and the WyoRoads (state road construction, nearly year round plowing — damn near!!!), the multiple wrecker services, diesel repair shops, forestry, wardens, multiple state parks and two national parks in the state, and a ton more.
 
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bassgirl

Veteran Member
Have they gotten that much money? Pandemic has been longer than a year. 2400 x3 won’t last that long.

I think people have figured out they can live on less. So screw it, stay home with the kids.

These checks definitly won’t cover a plumbers wages. Not sure what’s up with those jobs.
 

Sozo

Insignificant Contributor
I received 3 job offers last week from applications I filled out two YEARS ago.

Yes, two full years with no correspondence.

They couldn't be bothered to hire me then, or to even let me know the position was filled, but now they're ready to offer me a position?

I didn't bother replying.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Our hired man in his mid 50's got a cell phone last year and can not stay off of it. Being on your phone up on an extension ladder putting roofing on DH's cabin is not the time to be on the phone. We've called him on it more than once and he may not be back.

God is good all the time

Judy
 

RB Martin

Veteran Member
No no, that's not "holding their employers hostage." That's "understanding your market value and behaving accordingly." It's part of capitalism. It's just part that favors the employee over the employer. I understand how he's confused, though; it doesn't happen often, so it's hard to tell when you see it.

Obviously you've never known any of these "workers"!
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
A work ethic is TAUGHT.

My Father ingrained it well>>>>>into my BUTT if I did not do as I was told to do and do it very well!!

When they made it so that parents were afraid to beat a butt, that was the beginning of ALL our problems!!

Daddy never left marks, but he got the point across.

FEAR is an excellent motivator. So is GUILT. If parenting is done right, you fear losing your job, even if you are giving 150%. And if you don't do it perfect, you feel GUILT.

Always worked for me and resulted in PRIDE in a job well done and a career of excellence!!
 

biere

Veteran Member
Just info from aunts and uncles as well as me going out with em recently to eat some burgers and lots of stores with signs saying they are hiring.

Anyway, well known cracker barrel apparently got down to just blue cheese salad dressing. Not even honey mustard, kinda wonder if they had honey and mustard and I could have made my own but I was not there.

No eggs. Went out and bought some at local stores but workers saying no truck delivery and they need a bunch of eggs for the next morning. This is still cracker barrel.

The waitresses and waiters are stretched pretty thin.

Out of all kinds of other odds and ends from the menu and they said one friend called in an order and it was a decent sized order. He was told they were not sure when it would be ready. Like totally unable to say 20 minutes or 40 minutes and would not even say it would be ready in an hour.

After hearing all these updates I voted we go to a nice burger oriented place and they have some other stuff as well but mostly deal with burgers dressed in various ways and dang was I happy with a great big cheese burger and a pile of fries I could not even finish.
 

ssonb

Senior Member
I work in automotive repair full time now after retiring from being a FFEMT for 28years and mechanic and construction.... The other mechanic and I get ask every week by someone if we are willing to think about a job change. As long as you have a driver's license.
There are quite a number of previous retired men and women I see every morning where I stop to eat breakfast every work morning that have made the comment "I would stay retired if they would let me!"
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Another observation I noticed is that we do not have a regular UPS driver. Living in rural areas, I’ve always relied on online shopping. And I’ve always gotten to know our driver and chat with him, give a Christmas card, etc.

But the last five months we’ve literally had about 8-10 different drivers. I had some gardening stuff delivered yesterday and it’s yet another new guy. I’m going to ask about that next time I get a delivery. I’ll let you know how it goes.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A work ethic is TAUGHT.

My Father ingrained it well>>>>>into my BUTT if I did not do as I was told to do and do it very well!!

When they made it so that parents were afraid to beat a butt, that was the beginning of ALL our problems!!

Daddy never left marks, but he got the point across.

FEAR is an excellent motivator. So is GUILT. If parenting is done right, you fear losing your job, even if you are giving 150%. And if you don't do it perfect, you feel GUILT.

Always worked for me and resulted in PRIDE in a job well done and a career of excellence!!

Your daddy never left marks ?

I guess I occasionally wondered what it would have been like to have been the firstborn of a lightweight.

No offense......sounds like yours did a fine job getting the point across.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
I work in automotive repair full time now after retiring from being a FFEMT for 28years and mechanic and construction.... The other mechanic and I get ask every week by someone if we are willing to think about a job change. As long as you have a driver's license.
There are quite a number of previous retired men and women I see every morning where I stop to eat breakfast every work morning that have made the comment "I would stay retired if they would let me!"

That's about how my dad feels. They've been looking for a part-time guy at the school to do groundskeeping. Tailor-made for my dad, who does that sort of thing around his house for nothing. He, however, would rather stay retired, and I don't blame him a bit.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Another observation I noticed is that we do not have a regular UPS driver. Living in rural areas, I’ve always relied on online shopping. And I’ve always gotten to know our driver and chat with him, give a Christmas card, etc.
This^^
All are fine delivery guys but now different ones often but its FedEx.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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I retired a couple of years ago. Once a week I eat fast food for lunch, its a vice of mine. All of the fast food places have help wanted signs offering $10+ an hour plus a sign on bonus if you stick around 3 months. The last couple of weeks I've been talking to them about their job openings and have offered to work there one or 2 days a week, day shift, if I could also get all I could eat for the day I'm on my shift. All have said they can't do it. So for the lack of $10 to $15 in food they have lost a possible good employee. Its not like I'm 300 pounds. 4 or 5 McD fish sandwiches would be my limit for the day. Short sighted on their part I believe.

tbd

If I ran a Mickey D's and you came in with that offer I would not hire you either.

I would consider you actually wanting to eat the Crap as a form of mental Illness and be worried you might eat some of my other employees too.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I retired a couple of years ago. Once a week I eat fast food for lunch, its a vice of mine. All of the fast food places have help wanted signs offering $10+ an hour plus a sign on bonus if you stick around 3 months. The last couple of weeks I've been talking to them about their job openings and have offered to work there one or 2 days a week, day shift, if I could also get all I could eat for the day I'm on my shift. All have said they can't do it. So for the lack of $10 to $15 in food they have lost a possible good employee. Its not like I'm 300 pounds. 4 or 5 McD fish sandwiches would be my limit for the day. Short sighted on their part I believe.

tbd
You realize that it is nothing personal, right?
It is like this. If they allowed you to eat all you could, then they would have to let all employees to eat all they could.
And the real problem is most people would feed their entire family with all you can eat employment.
No one could afford that
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Oh that’s coming. Big meeting coming up and well, they were warned.

The laziness is another matter, in my opinion.
It’s almost impossible to teach a strong work ethic. Either ya got one or ya don’t.

At least, if you are starting with adults! The time for teaching is at 2 and up. My 2 and 3 year old granddaughters already have small chores, and are expected to help out with all the jobs we get into. Of course, they get tons of play time, but a request for help is NOT optional!

My mother was the original "helicopter parent". She was a high energy woman sort of stuck in the 1950's culture, and having grown up in the Depression, she never wanted her kids to suffer in any way. But it meant she did everything for us (and when we did do a job, it was never good enough, so she'd redo it). I got out at 16, because I couldn't tolerate it... my adopted brother essentially let her baby him until she died.

I had to essentially train myself how to work, to not put things off (still working on that one!) and to keep working through pain and fatigue.

All our kids learned early... they had regular chores from the age of 3, and by the time they were 16, any one of them could have run our dairy farm for a few days if they had to.

They all have thanked us, saying that while they thought it was hard at the time, it has paid off in their lives in a major way.

Summerthyme
 

teedee

Veteran Member
We live in the country and have a lot of packages delivered by UPS. We had a dedicated driver for years and he was very nice. He retired and we got a whole series of drivers for awhile and then finally got a dedicated driver again. He will be just fine as soon as we get him broken in!
 
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