CHAT It hangs by a thread (OP Feb 2021)

jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
there once was a country, founded on the - belief - that all men were born equal and FREE TO SPEAK what was on their minds and hearts. It was founded on a sincere belief in the God of the Bible. It was founded ONLY because the Founding Generation were willing to FIGHT AND DIE IF NECESSARY to bring protection to those who held those beliefs in FREEDOM and the God of the Bible.

but that country, founded in 1776, had - and has - terrible and powerful enemies, which were - and are - determined to destroy those FREEDOMS and BELIEFS. Those ENEMIES now control that country so thoroughly and insidiously that the country only now exists in the hearts and minds of those few citizens who still cherish those FREEDOMS and that GOD OF THE BIBLE. Except for those few, it is clear that that nation has now passed from the face of the Earth In the hearts and minds of perhaps the majority of its inhabitants.

A different set of “COMMUNITY STANDARDS” has replaced those described in the BILL OF RIGHTS, and the TEN COMMANDMENTS and a DIFFERENT GOD now sits on the throne in the temples (bodies) of most of the current citizens (And not the Holy Spirit which is enthroned in the hearts and minds of the bodies of those who have already surrendered to the GOD OF THE BIBLE).

but FEAR NOT, for that GOD of the BIBLE had a PLAN from the beginning to bring all of HIS CREATION into subjection to HIS WILL, and that PLAN is beginning to unfold and come to its conclusion in our lives, that is, those who still cherish those FREEDOMS and GOD OF THE BIBLE in their hearts and minds.

I post these words as evidence that you who read them are not alone and that as long as those FOUNDING BELIEFS still reside in the living hearts and minds of at least one still living person, then the BELIEF in FREEDOM and FAITH has not entirely passed from the Earth.

The LORD once asked, “WHEN I RETURN, WILL I FIND ANY FAITH?”

what say you?
 
Last edited:
D

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
snip/ It is “self-evident,” Jefferson wrote in the Declaration, “that all men are created equal,” that we all possess “certain inalienable rights,” and that “among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Those words are often quoted. But it is the words that follow that make the Declaration truly radical. Yet another of Jefferson’s “self-evident” truths is that “to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; [and] that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it.”/snip

-- Thomas Jefferson and the Consent of the Governed | World History
 
dstraito

dstraito

TB Fanatic
I think the country that was once founded on "In GOD we trust" has lost its way.

It was created on a plan that made it the greatest country in the world. But it was a plan of men.

Now when I think of "trust the plan" I think " trust HIS plan"

King of lie the saying "Man plans, God laughs"

I have been doing more quiet time where I reflect on things. I see where there are very few things that I can truly affect. There man come a time when there is something I can do and until then, the best that I can do is keep true to what I believe, share it with others such as this board keep the faith.
 
R

raven

TB Fanatic
Dozdoats said:
snip/ It is “self-evident,” Jefferson wrote in the Declaration, “that all men are created equal,” that we all possess “certain inalienable rights,” and that “among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Those words are often quoted. But it is the words that follow that make the Declaration truly radical. Yet another of Jefferson’s “self-evident” truths is that “to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; [and] that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it.”/snip

-- Thomas Jefferson and the Consent of the Governed | World History
Click to expand...
I was going to write a tome about how none of that is true but sweetie said it was a little over the top.
So I will simply say that it is evident that using certain definitions of the word "equal" it seems self evident that we are not.
And if God had endowed us with certain rights we would not need governments to secure them.
And if governments could be trusted to do this, they would not be destructive of them.

I believe that in order for humans to coexist in civilized society these basic tenets should be adhered to
however, it should be recognized that there will always be those that do not believe we are all equal, do not believe we have inalienable rights, and do not believe there is a god that endows them.

Unless you recognize and remain vigilant in addressing those usurpers you will end up subservient to them.
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have several times come across compelling evidence that “the pursuit of happiness” is a vague and meaningless phrase that was used to replace the original word, “property” in all of the aforementioned documents.

Make the switch and understand the gravity.

Rights cannot be taxed, nor regulated.....but privileges (14th amendment, anyone ?) can.
 
R

raven

TB Fanatic
Samuel Adams said:
I have several times come across compelling evidence that “the pursuit of happiness” is a vague and meaningless phrase that was used to replace the original word, “property” in all of the aforementioned documents.

Make the switch and understand the gravity.

Rights cannot be taxed, nor regulated.....but privileges (14th amendment, anyone ?) can.
Click to expand...
if a man had an inalienable right to property, then there are some problems.
First of which, is it could be said that all the property in the former British Colonies belong to a man with an inalienable right to that property . . . and that man was the King in whose name the land had been claimed.
And in addition, it would be a problem for any new sovereign country because if the property belong to the men who lawfully owned it, then it would not belong to the country.
If you are going to establish a country, then it must have boundaries and the property within that boundary must belong to that country.
Therefore, a man cannot have an inalienable right to property - the government must have means of alienating the property from you.

Once again, it can be demonstrated that not everyone believes you have inalienable rights.
But it is an ideal which one required to hold in order for men of peace to live in civilized society which is operated by men who do not.
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
raven said:
if a man had an inalienable right to property, then there are some problems.
First of which, is it could be said that all the property in the former British Colonies belong to a man with an inalienable right to that property . . . and that man was the King in whose name the land had been claimed.
And in addition, it would be a problem for any new sovereign country because if the property belong to the men who lawfully owned it, then it would not belong to the country.
If you are going to establish a country, then it must have boundaries and the property within that boundary must belong to that country.
Therefore, a man cannot have an inalienable right to property - the government must have means of alienating the property from you.

Once again, it can be demonstrated that not everyone believes you have inalienable rights.
But it is an ideal which one required to hold in order for men of peace to live in civilized society which is operated by men who do not.
Click to expand...

I will suffice to say, as I have long grown weary of doing the research for those who may have not come across some of the evidences of international and American Law to which I have been privy—and I dare say we will agree on this point;

It is a good thing that our opinions, yours and mine, carry zero weight in regard to the weightier matters of the Law.

:chg:
 
R

raven

TB Fanatic
Samuel Adams said:
I will suffice to say, as I have long grown weary of doing the research for those who may have not come across some of the evidences of international and American Law to which I have been privy—and I dare say we will agree on this point;

It is a good thing that our opinions, yours and mine, carry zero weight in regard to the weightier matters of the Law.

:chg:
Click to expand...
Oh, I agree . . . it is when one finds oneself in an institution without the rule of law that things get spicy
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Seems that Patrick Henry, et al, thought of that and insisted that it be listed as point 2 of 10.

:)


ETA.....it has long been my contention and sense of enduring peace, that remaining on the right side of the law will eventually leave a man as his own law enforcement.....against those previously charged with and having utterly failed to not only uphold but indeed, to have strictly adhered to the same.
 
F

fish hook

Deceased
To those that love to quote Thomas Jefferson, i think the most important thing that he ever said was :in every generation the tree of liberty MUST be watered by the blood of tyrants and patriots. We let to many generations go by without feeding that great tree, and now it is dying. If there is any life left in it, it can't live long without its natural manure.
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thomas Jefferson.

Another of my favorites from which to draw perspective.

“And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.”
 
R

raven

TB Fanatic
Samuel Adams said:
Thomas Jefferson.

Another of my favorites from which to draw perspective.

“And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.”
Click to expand...
there are so many who are "glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.” And those who do, see no problem in forcing you to rivet your chains to theirs
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
The Congress has been “paid off” by the lobbyists,
the courts are controlled by blackmailers,
the President is a corrupt, pedophile, senile imbecile,
the pentagon, cia, fbi have been “owned” for a loooooooong time.
think : military-industrial Complex
DRUG industry (legal and illegal),
Central Bankers,
did I miss anyone?

we outnumber them but ”they” have all the power
(and our “numbers”...
they know who we are, where we live, what our “hot” buttons are,
how to make us squeal,
how to shut off our income, our food, our credit.)

they are building millions of sophisticated aerial drones to hunt us down
if we refuse to comply to ANYTHING they demand.

and they intend to make us surrender to their Great Re-Set and Mandatory Vaccines
one fool at a time.

play THEIR GAME, and you are already in the box canyon, and you have no way out. Do you?

how do you change the “rules of the game”?
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Samuel Adams said:
Seems that Patrick Henry, et al, thought of that and insisted that it be listed as point 2 of 10.

:)


ETA.....it has long been my contention and sense of enduring peace, that remaining on the right side of the law will eventually leave a man as his own law enforcement.....against those previously charged with and having utterly failed to not only uphold but indeed, to have strictly adhered to the same.
Click to expand...
Worth thinking about.
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
jed turtle said:
The Congress has been “paid off” by the lobbyists,
the courts are controlled by blackmailers,
the President is a corrupt, pedophile, senile imbecile,
the pentagon, cia, fbi have been “owned” for a loooooooong time.
think : military-industrial Complex
DRUG industry (legal and illegal),
Central Bankers,
did I miss anyone?

we outnumber them but ”they” have all the power
(and our “numbers”...
they know who we are, where we live, what our “hot” buttons are,
how to make us squeal,
how to shut off our income, our food, our credit.)

they are building millions of sophisticated aerial drones to hunt us down
if we refuse to comply to ANYTHING they demand.

and they intend to make us surrender to their Great Re-Set and Mandatory Vaccines
one fool at a time.

play THEIR GAME, and you are already in the box canyon, and you have no way out. Do you?

how do you change the “rules of the game”?
Click to expand...

I saved this thread because of the excellent, thoughtful replies, and so bumped into it again today. When I ran across the question I had asked in the quote above, I received no reply. But it has become ever more crucial to ask it again.
about a week ago the memory arose in my mind of how the “Warsaw Pact” dissolved at the end of the Communist Soviet Empire: a bunch of ship builders in Gdańsk, Poland, iirc, went on strike.

i don’t know if that is what is happening now of workers walking away from their jobs because of the government’s (Usurper-in-Chief’s) demand for mandatory vaccinations of millions. But it may accomplish the same thing. Is God moving any of us to “go Galt”?

as it turns out, I survive financially from week to week due to being self-employed, but a few days ago my windows 98 computer hard drive informed me that it went on strike, and so I am now self-unemployed. In addition, the software I use no longer is sold or supported by the company that bought out the package from the originator. Gonna have to re-invent myself in a hurry if that computer can’t be brought back from the dead...

but all of that has caused me to consider if God Himself hasn’t brought me to this impasse in my normal “life” to confront me with the much Greater Issue facing all of us. If WE do not succeed in changing the current communist regime from it’s clearly murderous actions against our Liberties and Health, then We will have nothing worth having to pass onto our children and grandchildren, no property, no freedom, but the chains on their necks or the silence of the grave...

other than “non-compliance”, does anyone have particularly brilliant suggestions to share for our general benefit?
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The temptation is to torture ourselves contemplating solutions for all......when we are only duty bound to secure the solution for one.

The “song of Moses (and the rest of those who were called to long walk alone with their Father) has nothing to do with music.

Learn that song, and everything else falls into place.

Just understand and recall that Lot was the only survivor when that particular societal debt came due.
 
homepark

homepark

Resist
When I read that the Democratic leadership had conspired with the Chairman of JCS to short circuit the nuclear chain of command, over their own delusions about the then sitting President, and that this treason was going to be spun as 'normal' behavior, I knew it was all over for the Constitutional Republic. Prayer and fasting. Out of that you will know what to do.
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Part of what prompted this resurrected thread, was a conversation that I had with a friend of 20 years, who recently relayed a “word from the Lord” that he felt he received in a dream and also awake while praying, that “forced“ vaccinations would be coming, but that “they” would not be able to see those who they were seeking that were protected by the Lord.

we know too much now about safe treatments (vitamins, ivermectin, etc) and the horrible side effects of the “vaccinations”, the complete control that the Deep State has over the Main Stream Media, and the wicked intentions to depopulate the Earth, and replace the “Heritage” population of America with aliens who have no concept of what an “American” means.

striking worked 30+ years ago for the Eastern Europeans, but I think that might not be the answer this time. In fact, all the biblical clues seem to be that America’s Judgement is at the door. Are there enough true godly people left to call upon the name of God for mercy? Or has the sword of judgement run out of patience for a nation that has violated the Laws of God too often?
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Let me add and clarify that “fasting” can and should include abstinence from all social discourse and.....even from people, altogether.

Hence the “song of Moses, and the “Song of the Lamb”.

Alone.......for occasionally long periods of time.....seeking only The Will.

The situation at hand is as dire as has faced mankind.
So are the means by which answers must now be sought.

Your friend is onto something with the invisibility of those with the “seal in their foreheads”.
 
S

Sneaker 11

RECONDO
While true believers await our Lords return the unsaved await the anti Christ. While still on this mortal coil my responsibility is to continue to spread HIS gospel and to occupy until he comes for me and to stand. I will try to Charlie Mike until that day. Thanks for the thread as I must have missed it originally.

11
 
Jeanmar53

Jeanmar53

Senior Member
God has often judged a nation in the past by appointing wicked rulers over them. There's always mercy with His judgment and perhaps He is currently judging us as a nation. I'm of the firm belief that nothing is impossible with our Lord. Perhaps He will get our attention and we will truly seek Him with repentance, etc...I believe He is our only hope in this shit show.
 
R

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't do polls but it would be interesting to know how many believers here actually attend church. How many exercise their freedom to gather together freely with others and worship God?
 
rob0126

rob0126

Veteran Member
Rabbit said:
I don't do polls but it would be interesting to know how many believers here actually attend church. How many exercise their freedom to gather together freely with others and worship God?
Click to expand...

We do.

But we also have church on our porch most of the time. (Matthew 18:20)
 
Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I believe we must move in the spirit or we are doomed.

China and Russia are God's instruments of our judgement/destruction, much as Babylon and Assyria were for Israel.
The American Republic is dead.

The TREASON, corruption, evil and filth are too deep. Abortion has doomed the USA to share baal and molech's verdict: to puke israel out of the land sodom and gommarah style.
Take comfort, Jesus knows who follow him. God always knows his 7000 who haven't bowed to baal.
2022 will be America's year of judgement and consequences.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top