DEEP STATE CIA Counterterror Chief Suggests Going To War Against "Domestic Insurgents"

CIA Counterterror Chief Suggests Going To War Against "Domestic Insurgents"

THURSDAY, FEB 04, 2021 - 21:20
Authored by Steve Watson via Summit News,
The former head of the CIA Counterterrorism Center has suggested that counterinsurgency tactics used by the military in Iraq and Afghanistan should be applied to ‘domestic extremists’ inside the US.



NPR reports that Robert Grenier, who directed the CIA’s Counterterrorism program from 2004 to 2006, declared “We may be witnessing the dawn of a sustained wave of violent insurgency within our own country, perpetrated by our own countrymen.”
In an op-ed for The New York Times last week, Grenier suggested that “extremists who seek a social apocalypse … are capable of producing endemic political violence of a sort not seen in this country since Reconstruction.”




Grenier, also a former CIA station chief in Pakistan and Afghanistan, grouped together “the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters, the Oath Keepers, ‘Christian’ national chauvinists, white supremacists and QAnon fantasists” and claimed they are all “committed to violent extremism.”

Grenier labeled dissenters an “insurgency” and called for them to be “defeated” like an enemy army.

In further comments to NPR, Grenier stated that “as in any insurgency situation, you have committed insurgents who are typically a relatively small proportion of the affected population. But what enables them to carry forward their program is a large number of people from whom they can draw tacit support.”

Grenier also stated that insurgents may emerge from groups who “believe that the election was stolen,” or those “who don’t trust NPR or The New York Times.”

“The most violent elements that we are concerned about right now see former President Trump as a broadly popular and charismatic symbol,” the CIA spook added, before comparing Trump to Saddam Hussein.

“You know, just as I saw in the Middle East that the air went out of violent demonstrations when [Iraqi leader] Saddam Hussein was defeated and seen to be defeated, I think the same situation applies here,” he proclaimed.

Grenier suggested that Trump should be convicted at the upcoming impeachment trial as a ‘national security imperative’ because “So long as he is there and leading the resistance, if you will, which he shows every sign of intending to do, he is going to be an inspiration to very violent people.”

Grenier then compared Americans to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, noting that in Afghanistan “the thrust of our campaign there was, yes, to hunt down al-Qaida, but primarily to remove the supportive environment in which they were able to live and to flourish. And that meant fighting the Taliban.”

“I think that is the heart of what we need to deal with here,” he added.

Linking to Grenier’s comments, journalist Glenn Greenwald quipped that wedding guests throughout America should watch out for drone missiles:

The call to treat Americans as terrorist insurgents comes on the heels of a Department of Homeland Security warning that those dissatisfied with the election result may rise up and commit acts of terrorism in the coming weeks.

“Information suggests that some ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition, as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives, could continue to mobilize to incite or commit violence,” stated the bulletin issued last week through the DHS National Terrorist Advisory System — or NTAS.

The bulletin added that ‘extremists’ may be “motivated by a range of issues, including anger over COVID-19 restrictions, the 2020 election results, and police use of force.”

One of Brennan's boys throwing something out there to see the reaction and keep the kettle boiling.....

Hot Dam

Kurt Schlichter's Kelly Turnbull series is coming to life before our eyes.

Anyone surprised? Watch your back people......it's getting ugly!

Anyone hear anything or see the former CIA director recently? She resigned and no speech no photos nothing.

Given that the U.S. military has mostly been driven out of Afghanistan (and clearly eventually will be 100% gone), I suspect using the same tactics as there would lead to the same results.

Dang, they have a lot of confidence in the Army of Northern Virginia and the CIA PMs.

We are approaching a season of peak insanity

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CIA Counterterror Chief Suggests Going To War Against "Domestic Insurgents"

THURSDAY, FEB 04, 2021 - 21:20
Authored by Steve Watson via Summit News,
The former head of the CIA Counterterrorism Center has suggested that counterinsurgency tactics used by the military in Iraq and Afghanistan should be applied to ‘domestic extremists’ inside the US.



NPR reports that Robert Grenier, who directed the CIA’s Counterterrorism program from 2004 to 2006, declared “We may be witnessing the dawn of a sustained wave of violent insurgency within our own country, perpetrated by our own countrymen.”
In an op-ed for The New York Times last week, Grenier suggested that “extremists who seek a social apocalypse … are capable of producing endemic political violence of a sort not seen in this country since Reconstruction.”




Grenier, also a former CIA station chief in Pakistan and Afghanistan, grouped together “the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters, the Oath Keepers, ‘Christian’ national chauvinists, white supremacists and QAnon fantasists” and claimed they are all “committed to violent extremism.”

Grenier labeled dissenters an “insurgency” and called for them to be “defeated” like an enemy army.

In further comments to NPR, Grenier stated that “as in any insurgency situation, you have committed insurgents who are typically a relatively small proportion of the affected population. But what enables them to carry forward their program is a large number of people from whom they can draw tacit support.”

Grenier also stated that insurgents may emerge from groups who “believe that the election was stolen,” or those “who don’t trust NPR or The New York Times.”

“The most violent elements that we are concerned about right now see former President Trump as a broadly popular and charismatic symbol,” the CIA spook added, before comparing Trump to Saddam Hussein.

“You know, just as I saw in the Middle East that the air went out of violent demonstrations when [Iraqi leader] Saddam Hussein was defeated and seen to be defeated, I think the same situation applies here,” he proclaimed.

Grenier suggested that Trump should be convicted at the upcoming impeachment trial as a ‘national security imperative’ because “So long as he is there and leading the resistance, if you will, which he shows every sign of intending to do, he is going to be an inspiration to very violent people.”

Grenier then compared Americans to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, noting that in Afghanistan “the thrust of our campaign there was, yes, to hunt down al-Qaida, but primarily to remove the supportive environment in which they were able to live and to flourish. And that meant fighting the Taliban.”

“I think that is the heart of what we need to deal with here,” he added.

Linking to Grenier’s comments, journalist Glenn Greenwald quipped that wedding guests throughout America should watch out for drone missiles:

The call to treat Americans as terrorist insurgents comes on the heels of a Department of Homeland Security warning that those dissatisfied with the election result may rise up and commit acts of terrorism in the coming weeks.

“Information suggests that some ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition, as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives, could continue to mobilize to incite or commit violence,” stated the bulletin issued last week through the DHS National Terrorist Advisory System — or NTAS.

The bulletin added that ‘extremists’ may be “motivated by a range of issues, including anger over COVID-19 restrictions, the 2020 election results, and police use of force.”

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That sure is a lot of hate driven propaganda by Mr. Grenier. I wonder how much money is Soros paying him to betray his own country?

You boys can't control Afghanistan or subdue Iraq. You lost in Vietnam and Korea is still divided. You can't flip Syria and your buddies Saudi Arabia can't finish off primitives ...go ahead and try.

Nah, wait another 5-6-7 months and try this. One of the issues will be that your targets know the drill MUCH better than YOU do, SUCKA!!

Well now I find myself defined as an enemy of the state. So be it.

SSTemplar said:

Well now I find myself defined as an enemy of the state. So be it.

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We're all Confederates now.

Speaking of which, Biden has been a BIG salesman for CBF's in my part of Alabama. There's as many new ones flying as when the Republicants started trying to ban them in the South recently.

there targets are going to be the men who have been fighting in these wars, that know how to do what it takes to get the job done,

This may sound like a good idea until you hear the definition of "Domestic Insurgents". It could easily change depending on who is in office at the time and what their agenda is.

who else here remembers when the screech on this very board was "HOW WILL I KNOW WHO MY ENEMY IS?"

Wait. So it's now OUR turn to be the Boogyman? Glorious Days ahead. Sigh. SMDH.

I don't belong to their Asylum.

Raggedyman said:

who else here remembers when the screech on this very board was "HOW WILL I KNOW WHO MY ENEMY IS?"

you DAMN WELL KNOW WHO your enemy is​

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Great point Raggedyman!.....I honestly don;t remember who we thought our enemy was..........how pathetic is that!

And they are trying to bounce the military guys, especially the lead door kickers, who are freshly trained-up on this?

Smells like some boog is in the wind.

MinnesotaSmith said:

Given that the U.S. military has mostly been driven out of Afghanistan (and clearly eventually will be 100% gone), I suspect using the same tactics as there would lead to the same results.

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Unfortunately, many on the right have grown up with plenty and have no idea what war truly is. The Afghanistan people on the other hand have nothing, and expect nothing. Death and war are comfortable companions to them. Hence why they are Empire killlers.

Well all knew this was coming on day one of the DHS.

They have been at war with "us" for the last 4 years. They have just moved on to the next phase- active persecutions....

It will keep getting worse until they strike the right match in the right gas filled room.

This article seems related. Opinion piece from thehill.com by a RAND analyst who has been researching terrorism since 1972.

Domestic violent extremists will be harder to combat than homegrown jihadists

BY BRIAN MICHAEL JENKINS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 01/31/21 05:00 PM EST
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL




© Julia Nikhinson

The Biden administration has said it will take steps to combat domestic violent extremism. While the move comes close on the heels of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol Building, the nation has witnessed recent acts of violence stemming from both far left and far right extremists.

The announced actions – conducting a comprehensive threat assessment, coordinating intelligence sharing, disrupting networks, trying to prevent radicalization – might have a familiar ring. They’re similar to the post-9/11 response to thwart terrorist attacks launched from abroad and later homegrown jihadists, which have been largely successful. While these are solid steps, for a variety of reasons shutting down domestic extremists will prove far more difficult than combating homegrown jihadists.

Larger constituencies. Jihadist ideology, with few exceptions, gained very little traction in America’s Muslim communities. In contrast, the beliefs driving today’s domestic extremists are deeply rooted in American history and society. Precisely for that reason, some law enforcement officials argue against coming down too hard on those involved in the 1/6 assault, perhaps fearing that doing so might provoke the kind of bloody confrontations witnessed in the early 1990s.

The jihadists never had a supportive constituency in the U.S. They responded as individuals to exhortations from groups abroad. Indeed, many of the tips that led to arrests reportedly came from within the Muslim community. There were no continuing terrorist campaigns. Plots and attacks were one-offs. But domestic extremists have a sympathetic base.

Domestic extremists are better organized. Hindered by FBI infiltration, far right extremists long ago adopted a strategy of “leaderless resistance,” avoiding a hierarchical structure and instead relying on local autonomous cells to carry out attacks on behalf of the cause. What is new about today’s domestic extremists is their mobility — moving across the country to participate in action. This creates contacts and coalescence. It requires coordination and logistics. Social media has added a new and dangerous dynamic. Organizationally, these groups may be maturing.

The nation has not been galvanized. The unprecedented 9/11 terrorist attacks bound the country together in a fervent national effort to prevent further attacks. But domestic extremist attacks thus far have not unified the nation. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing – the second worst terrorist attack in the United States – did not generate a similar response nor has the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol Building. Indeed, political differences appear to have become more intense and will hamper federal efforts to counter violent domestic extremism. Any attempt to legislate new counterterrorism statutes or expand the list of terrorist groups – already an arbitrary designation – will prompt fierce arguments about the definition of terrorism and who is a terrorist.

Rightwing extremists are far better armed. They are part of an American gun culture. Their acquisition and display of personal arsenals reflect their defiance of any effort to limit what they see as their Second Amendment right to bear arms. The jihadists never had this, although they also could get guns and carry out deadly attacks. Gunning down unarmed civilians requires fanaticism, not advanced training, but to move beyond a lone shooter will require operational skills.

Many rightwing extremists have military or police training. A few American jihadists had served in the military, more sought to join the army, but for the most part they were untrained. There are concerns that extremists have recruited veterans, and that extremist ideologies have penetrated the armed services and police departments. It’s unclear how pervasive the problem is, but it could undermine trust and cooperation between federal authorities and local police departments.

Preventing radicalization may not work. The idea of intervening before a crime is committed was promoted by the Obama administration as an alternative to a purely law enforcement approach — preventing radicalization instead of incarceration. These efforts provoked resentment in Muslim communities and it is not clear how effective they were. The idea of the federal government patrolling ideology to identify dangerous beliefs will provoke outrage and raise civil liberties concerns on both the left and the right.

The environment for intelligence collection will be less permissive. Domestic intelligence collection in a democracy is always a delicate undertaking. Material support statutes and the fact that the public and courts viewed jihadists as part of a foreign threat (even though a majority were U.S.-born citizens) gave authorities unprecedented latitude in their investigations. Containing jihadist terrorism was an intelligence success, although many aspects of the Patriot Act remain controversial. Law enforcement will have less latitude in monitoring domestic extremists.

Prosecutions will be more difficult. Jihadist defendants were brought before judges and juries, but that did not prevent bias. The fact that many of them were named Mohammed may have made it harder for them to get a fair hearing in court. Many pleaded guilty to avoid even longer sentences. Things will be different in dealing with domestic extremists who may be able to count on at least one sympathetic juror.

Co-option strategies may not work this time. Historically, the American political system has been adept at co-opting issues and addressing these grievances thereby separating violent extremists from potential constituencies. Government, of course, should deal with the conditions underlying the hostility on display. But government cannot, under threat, compromise with those whose views are antithetical to unalienable rights and American values.

We must be realistic in our expectations. It took more than a decade to shut down the terrorist groups of the 1970s and decades to break up the Ku Klux Klan. The threat posed by homegrown jihadists is still ongoing after 20 years. The domestic extremists now threatening the peace are the latest incarnation of beliefs and quarrels reaching back to the 19th century. They may be contained, but never entirely rooted out.

Brian Michael Jenkins is a senior adviser to the president of the nonprofit, nonpartisan RAND Corporation. He has been researching terrorism for RAND since 1972.

Even the Hogg-puppet was smart enough to note on an earlier anti-patriot measure that it was BS, and would soon enough be turned against him and his faction. .. . Interesting bedfellows these fools are making; DJT's 75k didn't give them pause?

I see that those who don't trust the meedia are also suspect. Would they go this far, this early, if they weren't worried??

Does anything good ever come out of the CIA? They were one of the first organizations that the deep state infiltrated.

Another article on subject; as was said, the idea's been making the rounds for a bit now. . .

Foreign Affairs
@ForeignAffairs
1h

After an attack on the Reichstag, the German government pursued a reform agenda that treats far-right extremism as not simply a security threat but a societal problem. The U.S. needs a similarly comprehensive approach, argue
@milleridriss
& Daniel Koehler.
View: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/1357542453088309251?s=20

jward said:

Another article on subject; as was said, the idea's been making the rounds for a bit now. . .

Foreign Affairs
@ForeignAffairs
1h

After an attack on the Reichstag, the German government pursued a reform agenda that treats far-right extremism as not simply a security threat but a societal problem. The U.S. needs a similarly comprehensive approach, argue
@milleridriss
& Daniel Koehler.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357542453088309251

View: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/1357542453088309251?s=20

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As was noted on Carlson's show tonight, yeah de-Baathification in Iraq worked real well....NOT.

SpokaneMan said:

Wait. So it's now OUR turn to be the Boogyman? Glorious Days ahead. Sigh. SMDH.

I don't belong to their Asylum.

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Doesn't matter now,

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“You know, just as I saw in the Middle East that the air went out of violent demonstrations when [Iraqi leader] Saddam Hussein was defeated and seen to be defeated, I think the same situation applies here,” he proclaimed."

this sounds like an attack on trump himself?

head of the snake.. and all

Oh joy!
The things I wake up to of a morning...every morning......
I haven’t heard one person in DC or government consistently come out and boldly say “stop this insanity” against our own people and country.
No way could anybody or anything shut DJT up previously.
He’s has to be laying low until after the impeachment is over OR they have him OR they have threatened his family.
Just Sayin...
Nobody’s gonna save us....
Somebody somewhere needs to start coming up with a plan that’s tangible and a way to communicate.
Walk the Talk...We aren’t getting anywhere but closer to dead!!!
We are on our own.
MARANATHA \o/

raven said:

We are approaching a season of peak insanity

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I fear the peak is far away. Maybe we should say the depths.

Give your enemy a label and it makes him less human in the eyes of the shooters. We will not simply be a group that disagrees with them, we will be insurgents. Evil enemies of the state that are in rebellion.

Jenkins' article highlights many of the FEATURES of the situation we're entering. I fail to see any BUGS in that article.

Gimpywarrior said:

Give your enemy a label and it makes him less human in the eyes of the shooters. We will not simply be a group that disagrees with them, we will be insurgents. Evil enemies of the state that are in rebellion.

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They will demonize us. They already started .

I am not anti-government. I am anti-communist.

Housecarl said:

One of Brennan's boys throwing something out there to see the reaction and keep the kettle boiling.....

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Exactly!!

homepark said:

I am not anti-government. I am anti-communist.

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mikeabn said:

They will demonize us. They already started .

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Think about it. The oath we took was against enemies, foreign and domestic. If we are domestic insurgents, we are domestic enemies and can therefore be fired upon. They will conveniently leave out the part about the constitution and gladly replace it with the word government or supposed elected leaders.