CHAT Is America’s current condition incurable?

Betty_Rose

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
Each morning, I pray for our country. I don’t want to think that this mess is incurable. But we’re now spending TRILLIONS of dollars on goofball and/or criminal boondoggles.

Is it possible that this has a better ending than what most of us here are expecting?

That we find our way back to normality without financial collapse?
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Betty_Rose said:
That we find our way back to normality without financial collapse?
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Financial collapse was pretty much baked in. Between the debt that we currently have, the recently-discovered "missing money" and the unfunded liabilities, catastrophe is on the wind.

Most of us were hoping for four more years of Trump because he could at least guide us down easily and give us a position to recover from. With Biden? No, this is a case of digging a tunnel with a 747.
 
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NH Yankee

Contributing Member
I believe we are at a turning point. The next 2 to 4 years will decide which way we go. We have stepped up our actions and will or have stopped doing business with organizations that do not support the Constitution etc. We have also engaged our friends and relatives more instead of letting comments side. We try to provide documentation or ask questions that will cause them to think instead of parrot the MSM. Especially, for the next two years, we will also do more contact with our representatives (all democrats) hoping they will think about how their reelection will be affected. In the end, of course it all boils down to which way the Lord wants us to head.
 
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Faroe

Un-spun
Empires fall.
Corrupt from top to bottom. Demographics shot.
It happens.

The GSM is the only good news, although will be be a bitch for those who survive in it. The glaciers will scrape the ground clean for a new society. Hope those generations do a better job than we have, but I doubt it. That's humanity for you.
 
MinnesotaSmith

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Substantial to extensive and prolonged economic collapse is the least of what IMO is likely coming. Just the U.S. no longer being able to pay for critical imports with FRNs, but having to use barter due to the certain soon end of the USD as a reserve currency, will alone drop incomes in real terms by 20-30%, at minimum. Add in that the .gov will not be able to run ANY budget deficits AT ALL, so subsequently kiss goodbye any more Chinavirus stimulus payments and at least three of Defense, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and TANF (Food Stamps and WIC both likely gone, too.)

The Dims wanting to BAN any known Trump supporters from all manner of jobs and putting them at the end of the line for getting the Chinavirus vaccine? Any measure that knocks double-digits percentages of the better-qualified workers in a country out of the running for jobs hurts not just them, not just everyone in their households, but the whole country. (Remember the hushed-up U.S. Army study that showed that a woman in the mil in a nonclerical/nonmedical job contributed on average as a negative seven male soldiers.)

No. If those are all that happen, we got off very lightly. I'm expecting at least 6 digits of DEAD (7 would not surprise me), along with 8 digits of near-destitute interstate permanent refugees. What happened to the German inhabitants in Silesia and East Prussia in 1945-47 would be apt examples of what to expect.
 
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West

West

Senior
We are past time for a major poop storm!

And we can thank bureaucratic lawyers in our government in cohesion with the federal (in name only) reserve banksters.

The lawyers also both in private and government settings have successfully branded all who are independent and patriots are now liable for every ones ills, with frivolous law suits to making all in business incorporate. Just like our government had to do over a century ago .
 
Squib

Squib

Veteran Member
MinnesotaSmith said:
Substantial to extensive and prolonged economic collapse is the least of what IMO is likely coming. Just the U.S. no longer being able to pay for critical imports with FRNs, but having to use barter due to the certain soon end of the USD as a reserve currency, will alone drop incomes in real terms by 20-30%, at minimum. Add in that the .gov will not be able to run ANY budget deficits AT ALL, so kiss goodbye any more Chinavirus stimulus paymentsand at least three of Defense, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and TANF (Food Stamps and WIC both likely gone, too.)

The Dims wanting to BAN any known Trump supporters from all manner of jobs and putting them at the end of the line for getting the Chinavirus vaccine? Any measure that knocks the double-digits percentages of the better-qualified workers in a country out of the running for jobs hurts not just them, not just everyone in their households, but the whole country. (Remember the hushed-up U.S. Army study that showed that a woman in the mil in a nonclerical/nonmedical job contributed on average as a negative seven male soldiers.)

No. If those are all that happen, we got off very lightly. I'm expecting at least 6 digits of DEAD (7 would not surprise me), along with 8 digits of near-destitute interstate permanent refugees. What happened to the German inhabitants in Silesia and East Prussia in 1945-47 would be apt examples of what to expect.
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Seriously, that’s not as bad of a prediction as I think it will be...

The 6 figures dead ( maybe even 7), is better than I’m thinking...
 
MinnesotaSmith

MinnesotaSmith

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Squib said:
Seriously, that’s not as bad of a prediction as I think it will be...

The 6 figures dead ( maybe even 7), is better than I’m thinking...
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7 digits dead spans up to one under 10 million, or about the military total dead in all countries in World War I. I'm not really the optimist you're making me out to be.
 
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Faroe

Un-spun
MinnesotaSmith said:
7 digits dead spans up to one under 10 million, or about the military total dead in all countries in World War I. I'm not really the optimist you're making me out to be.
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How many did Mao kill, and what was the percentage of the population? Reports vary widely, but I'd probably start with those figures as a baseline. China is mostly Han. Our glorious diversity will raise the level of violence considerably.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
Russia has been communist since 1922
Its 2021. Very little rounding is required to get to
100 years of communism with no end in sight.
 
MinnesotaSmith

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Faroe said:
How many did Mao kill, and what was the percentage of the population? Reports vary widely, but I'd probably start with those figures as a baseline. China is mostly Han. Our glorious diversity will raise the level of violence considerably.
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This should get you started.

CHINA.TAB8.1.GIF


From DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER
 
Squib

Squib

Veteran Member
MinnesotaSmith said:
7 digits dead spans up to one under 10 million, or about the military total dead in all countries in World War I. I'm not really the optimist you're making me out to be.
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I hear you...

Im just thinking of all of the older and unhealthy, and undisciplined, and mentally fragile, and substance abuse, etc who will perish in a bad scenario.

We have millions in those categories alone...more than 10 million.

So rest home, extended care, critical patients will almost all be left to die...social triage, if you will.

Then the mentally and emotionally unbalanced will suicide either traditionally or OD, or get killed acting violently.

Then the inevitable violent clashes with local, state, and federal troops, gang warfare...

Accidental deaths from coping with loss of services... e.g. people heating their homes with BBQ grills indoors!

I was thinking in a relatively short time...50 million dead...or more.
 
MinnesotaSmith

MinnesotaSmith

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Squib said:
I hear you...

Im just thinking of all of the older and unhealthy, and undisciplined, and mentally fragile, and substance abuse, etc wh will perish in a bad scenario.

We have millions in those categories alone...more than 10 million.

So rest home, extended care, critical patients will almost all be left to die...social triage, if you will.
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Not disagreeing with your rough numbers, but one thought: when someone is 89 YO, has some condition that will likely kill him within 3 years anyway, is alone with crummy medical care access, and a heat wave, serious cold snap, or utility shutoff pushes him over the edge, should that really count as a whole death, or more like <1/20th of a death? I'd go with the latter.
 
Jeff B.

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
Betty_Rose said:
Each morning, I pray for our country. I don’t want to think that this mess is incurable. But we’re now spending TRILLIONS of dollars on goofball and/or criminal boondoggles.

Is it possible that this has a better ending than what most of us here are expecting?

That we find our way back to normality without financial collapse?
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There's a lot in your question.

I've been surprised at how many rabbits they've been able to "pull out of the hat" since the Dot.Com bust. Based on this and the fact that empires usually decline in fits and starts in a persistently downward path.

Sooner or later this thing will crash. When is, as always, the big question...

At best, we're going to see a new "normal" that's encompassing a declining standard of living and expectations. Partly based on the emphasis of wealth transfer from the the white racial group to the minorities.

Jeff B.
 
West

West

Senior
A million would die alone in less than a month if they couldn't have free phones/internet services.

I still predict millions in every large city across America will be eating or eat human flesh if TSTF in a real food crisis. Life means vary little to most peoples now days, and with all of the entertainment of today flesh eating zombies is reality and totally excepted as the norm now.

:D
 
20Gauge

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Squib said:
I hear you...

Im just thinking of all of the older and unhealthy, and undisciplined, and mentally fragile, and substance abuse, etc who will perish in a bad scenario.

We have millions in those categories alone...more than 10 million.

So rest home, extended care, critical patients will almost all be left to die...social triage, if you will.

Then the mentally and emotionally unbalanced will suicide either traditionally or OD, or get killed acting violently.

Then the inevitable violent clashes with local, state, and federal troops, gang warfare...

Accidental deaths from coping with loss of services... e.g. people heating their homes with BBQ grills indoors!

I was thinking in a relatively short time...50 million dead...or more.
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I would believe the stories such as "One Second After" and such. We will have 100-150+ million dead within 12 months if not much more.

I see Mexico Cartels (which is the government) moving north and taking what they can.

I see us breaking into districts or breaking apart.

I see China trying to expand into Asia if not America.

Then I see us getting together with a strong dictator or if we are lucky a group of people who will work to bring back the Constitution.

It will be bloody no matter what
 
coalcracker

coalcracker

Veteran Member
“We’re ok until the day we’re not. The surface shines while the inside rots.”

Throughout history, the final stage of empire collapse has been breathtakingly fast. Once the edifice starts to crumble, look out below!

When the American dream becomes a nightmare, we will all want to be living in a rural area. Many people are now coming to that realization. City-dwellers are snapping up rural properties sight-unseen.

While it’s hard to predict what will happen politically, it’s easy to predict what will happen socially.

Rural = bad.
Suburbs = very bad.
Cities = beyond imagination bad.

Death rates:

Rural = high.
Suburbs = very high.
Cities = beyond imagination high.
 
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ghost

Veteran Member
Betty_Rose said:
Each morning, I pray for our country. I don’t want to think that this mess is incurable. But we’re now spending TRILLIONS of dollars on goofball and/or criminal boondoggles.

Is it possible that this has a better ending than what most of us here are expecting?

That we find our way back to normality without financial collapse?
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All, that has been done, can be undone, belive in GOD, nothing is impossible!
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I expect that things will be unimaginably bad. And a financial collapse (inevitable IMO) will be the least of the problems we face.
 
ShadowMan

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
There's always a steep price to pay for stupidity and our government has become exceedingly stupid over the years. When the rubber band finally snaps it's not going to be pretty, that's for sure....and it will clearly separate the Men from the Soi Bois!
 
Betty_Rose

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
coalcracker said:
“We’re ok until the day we’re not. The surface shines while the inside rots.”

Throughout history, the final stage of empire collapse has been breathtakingly fast. Once the edifice starts to crumble, look out below!

When the American dream becomes a nightmare, we will all want to be living in a rural area. Many people are now coming to that realization. City-dwellers are snapping up rural properties sight-unseen.

While it’s hard to predict what will happen politically, it’s easy to predict what will happen socially.

Rural = bad.
Suburbs = very bad.
Cities = beyond imagination bad.

Death rates:

Rural = high.
Suburbs = very high.
Cities = beyond imagination high.
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Properties in Jersey County and Madison County (SW Illinois) are still selling the day they hit the market. I saw one house sell for $400,000 (on several acres) sight unseen.

I wonder if there’s any corollary in history.
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
There will be a vast effusion of blood.

After that, I don't know what happens.

As to real estate prices, there is an old Wall Street saw that says the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. When the shooting stops, look for cheaper real estate.
 
Seeker22

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Faroe said:
Empires fall.
Corrupt from top to bottom. Demographics shot.
It happens.

The GSM is the only good news, although will be be a bitch for those who survive in it. The glaciers will scrape the ground clean for a new society. Hope those generations do a better job than we have, but I doubt it. That's humanity for you.
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Burn it down and then freeze it all. Humanity screwed it up four times before this. That we know of. Learn how to survive in the new environment and make (((them))) miserable in it. White folk do well in cold climates because our Vitamin D is baked in. Darker races don't. Demographics have a way of fixing themselves. This has been rotten since I was a small child. There is nothing left here to save.
 
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NCGirl

Veteran Member
Betty_Rose said:
Properties in Jersey County and Madison County (SW Illinois) are still selling the day they hit the market. I saw one house sell for $400,000 (on several acres) sight unseen.

I wonder if there’s any corollary in history.
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Remember 2007? Pretty much right up to the end it was crazy! Everyone was buying and then it stopped. Every watched the movie "the big short" ?

They will keep pulling out rabbits right up to the end. Maybe 2-3 months or 2-3 years or it could be much much longer.

If you figure it out, let me know :)
 
blindhog

blindhog

Flats Captain
If my crystal ball was 100% right, I could tell you what will happen, but otherwise...??

I do hope this site stays up during the chaos
 
SSTemplar

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
The American situation is completely incurable without the complete take down of our current government,head to toe. What no one can do is come up with a plan that does not involve the death of around 50 million American citizens. I for one have not reached that height of desperation at this time. Prepare Pray Stay out of the way. Defend your home and family to the death. We might get past this.
 
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