ECON What a National $15 Minimum Wage Looks Like

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I posted the photo below on my Facebook account on Sunday with the caption “Live photograph of what a national $15 minimum wage looks like:”
Image may contain: screen, phone and indoor


Some readers mistakenly took that post as an attack on poor people, which of course completely misses the point. The point is that, once the government requires fast food businesses to dramatically increase the costs associated with the jobs they provide, many, perhaps most, of those jobs will simply go away, and the workers at, say, McDonalds will increasingly be displaced by the technology seen in the photo.

I got my first actual job when I was 14 years old, helping a couple of guys run the local mini-golf park. From that point forward, I worked every summer and Christmas break throughout my high school and college years, and held jobs during many in-school semesters as well. Every one of those jobs was a minimum wage job, and I was lucky and happy to have them, even the welder’s helper job on a pipeline construction crew, working 80-90 hour weeks in the heat of South Texas summers. With time and a half for overtime, even that $2.10 minimum wage in effect in 1976-77 added up to a decent sum of money by the time September rolled around.

I also worked various jobs in local clothing and hardware stores, where I learned how to do things like deal with ornery customers, measure an inseam, iron shirts, cut pipe, wrap Christmas gifts and put bicycles together. Over one Christmas break, since I was then majoring in accounting, I was assigned the task of taking inventory in a hardware store that had at the time been in operation for more than 80 years. You could never believe how many hundreds of thousands of screws, bolts, washers and nails one store could accumulate over such a long period of time.

I also worked for little while as a checker at a grocery store and for maybe 3 days as a waiter, but that was one job I couldn’t hack. I’ve been extremely courteous to restaurant wait staff throughout my life as a result of that awful experience.

The point here is this: These minimum wage jobs are an important element of our society’s cohesiveness and evolution, and the more we have of them, the better off our society will be. Jobs like these not only serve to keep people from becoming dependent on the state, they serve to teach young people many useful skills in life.

In my own life, I could directly link that experience taking inventory to my early career as an accountant. That experience working summers in the oil field was a catalyst for developing an interest in the oil business, in which I spent my entire adult life. The experience in sales directly helped prepare me for a later career as a lobbyist.

Many people like to make fun of “burger flippers” working at fast food joints like McDonald’s, but these are some of the most useful starting jobs a person can have. Think of the various skillsets young people develop while in such jobs. For starters, you learn how to cook things, which is one of the basic keys to human life. But you are also customer-facing much of the time, and learn to develop skills in dealing with difficult human beings, who, trust me, are every-freaking-where you go.

At a burger joint, you also learn how a basic supply chain operates, from the patties to the grill to the bun to the bag and out the window to the customer, adding accessories like salt, pepper, onions, lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, fries and ketchup and a 32 oz. soft drink with extra ice along the way. You may think it’s all trivial and tedious when you’re 20 years old and doing it, but these are all skills you will lean on throughout the rest of your life.

When the government artificially sets prices on these jobs that are so high that businesses can’t remain profitable with their current work force, many of these jobs start to disappear, and many young people lose their means of learning these important life skills. Millions of teenagers and college students aren’t lucky as I was and my grandkids are to have two parents to help them learn such skills, and the lack of job opportunities can hinder their abilities to make an adequate living as they progress through life.

I’m all for paying people more money, and many companies have commendably moved to a $15 minimum wage voluntarily in recent years. Other companies that can only remain profitable at lower wage levels haven’t done that, which is how a free market system should work. When those companies are forced by the government to pay more for their workers, they will either adapt by cutting some of their jobs or go out of business entirely, taking all of their jobs with them.

That’s the point of that picture. It has literally nothing to do with demeaning poor people, and everything to do with wanting as many people as possible to have the jobs where they will develop the skills they will use for the rest of their lives.
That is all.
 

Sid Vicious

Veteran Member
Automatic burger flipper costs 30k. The new one coming out rides around on a rail and can do 80% of the tasks required.

I was laughing for weeks when Seattle passed their version of this. You had the usual cast of characters on the news excited about making 15$ an hour. As soon as it was passed you had the same cast of characters on the news crying about how they were immediately laid off. Service in SODO went from shit to pretty awesome though. You couldn't get a job at burger king without having a 4 year degree. Business owners all said if they were going to shell out 15$ an hour they would only hire workers worth that. So all those idiots did was get themselves removed from the job market.
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
AND>>>>if you are a professional with 40 years of experience, the receptionists who are right out of high school, some of whom did not even graduate, and don't have a GED, will earn 2/3's of what you do, with a 6 or 7 year degree and graduate school!!
And employers will NOT give raises to us!!
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic

I posted the photo below on my Facebook account on Sunday with the caption “Live photograph of what a national $15 minimum wage looks like:”
Image may contain: screen, phone and indoor


Some readers mistakenly took that post as an attack on poor people, which of course completely misses the point. The point is that, once the government requires fast food businesses to dramatically increase the costs associated with the jobs they provide, many, perhaps most, of those jobs will simply go away, and the workers at, say, McDonalds will increasingly be displaced by the technology seen in the photo.

I got my first actual job when I was 14 years old, helping a couple of guys run the local mini-golf park. From that point forward, I worked every summer and Christmas break throughout my high school and college years, and held jobs during many in-school semesters as well. Every one of those jobs was a minimum wage job, and I was lucky and happy to have them, even the welder’s helper job on a pipeline construction crew, working 80-90 hour weeks in the heat of South Texas summers. With time and a half for overtime, even that $2.10 minimum wage in effect in 1976-77 added up to a decent sum of money by the time September rolled around.

I also worked various jobs in local clothing and hardware stores, where I learned how to do things like deal with ornery customers, measure an inseam, iron shirts, cut pipe, wrap Christmas gifts and put bicycles together. Over one Christmas break, since I was then majoring in accounting, I was assigned the task of taking inventory in a hardware store that had at the time been in operation for more than 80 years. You could never believe how many hundreds of thousands of screws, bolts, washers and nails one store could accumulate over such a long period of time.

I also worked for little while as a checker at a grocery store and for maybe 3 days as a waiter, but that was one job I couldn’t hack. I’ve been extremely courteous to restaurant wait staff throughout my life as a result of that awful experience.

The point here is this: These minimum wage jobs are an important element of our society’s cohesiveness and evolution, and the more we have of them, the better off our society will be. Jobs like these not only serve to keep people from becoming dependent on the state, they serve to teach young people many useful skills in life.

In my own life, I could directly link that experience taking inventory to my early career as an accountant. That experience working summers in the oil field was a catalyst for developing an interest in the oil business, in which I spent my entire adult life. The experience in sales directly helped prepare me for a later career as a lobbyist.

Many people like to make fun of “burger flippers” working at fast food joints like McDonald’s, but these are some of the most useful starting jobs a person can have. Think of the various skillsets young people develop while in such jobs. For starters, you learn how to cook things, which is one of the basic keys to human life. But you are also customer-facing much of the time, and learn to develop skills in dealing with difficult human beings, who, trust me, are every-freaking-where you go.

At a burger joint, you also learn how a basic supply chain operates, from the patties to the grill to the bun to the bag and out the window to the customer, adding accessories like salt, pepper, onions, lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, fries and ketchup and a 32 oz. soft drink with extra ice along the way. You may think it’s all trivial and tedious when you’re 20 years old and doing it, but these are all skills you will lean on throughout the rest of your life.

When the government artificially sets prices on these jobs that are so high that businesses can’t remain profitable with their current work force, many of these jobs start to disappear, and many young people lose their means of learning these important life skills. Millions of teenagers and college students aren’t lucky as I was and my grandkids are to have two parents to help them learn such skills, and the lack of job opportunities can hinder their abilities to make an adequate living as they progress through life.

I’m all for paying people more money, and many companies have commendably moved to a $15 minimum wage voluntarily in recent years. Other companies that can only remain profitable at lower wage levels haven’t done that, which is how a free market system should work. When those companies are forced by the government to pay more for their workers, they will either adapt by cutting some of their jobs or go out of business entirely, taking all of their jobs with them.

That’s the point of that picture. It has literally nothing to do with demeaning poor people, and everything to do with wanting as many people as possible to have the jobs where they will develop the skills they will use for the rest of their lives.
That is all.
These kiosks are nicer to the customers and take accurate orders, unlike the cashiers. I was not a fan at first, but I am becoming one as the customer service seems to be tanking all over the place.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Santa Clara's minimum wage is already15.65/hr. I've seen the McDonald's down the street from work offering 18/hr right now.
 

Mprepared

Veteran Member
I type medical reports. It used to pay pretty good, not great, but I was able to homeschool, take care of my sick mother and later caregiver of my husband who died. Over the years the companies have sold to companies in India and pay kept getting cut. Now they pay so low they will not hire from states with higher minimum wage. I am in high demand in Idaho with $7.25 minimum wage. I have to type so many lines to beat minimum wage or they have to cover and if you do that well they will fire you. This means they will have to have a pay raise, we learn to type faster, or they keep the jobs in India, which means more medical records going out of the country and more loss of jobs in this country, which a lot of home medical transcription are semi-retired, disabled, or caregivers trying to work from home.
 

Dafodil

Veteran Member
Nothing pisses me off more than self-checkout! I don't get paid to work there why in the hell would the company expect me to bag and give them $$$. Especially Walmart when your self-checkout machine goes wonky and you can't even find ANYONE to help you give them YOUR own $$$! Don't forget to bring your cart back! Grrr Thus, I do not shop at those stores. They did a time study on grocery stores. Unless you're checking 1-2 items, it's quicker to go through the regular line. I have found they aren't wrong! Plus you don't have to run down help or bag your own groceries! Many, many years ago. The cute little teenaged boy would walk your groceries to your car without a tip! Freezing cold, rain, heat whatever and they did it with a smile! Yes m'am's and they would take the cart back! They got paid 1.65 an hour! Never complained either.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
Once again, this will happen no matter if the minimum wage is 2.13 an hour (as it still is for waiting staff and that HAS to change and is the one part of this bill I support) or 30 dollars an hour.

These machines and automatic ordering were "in the cards" and "on the wish list" when I worked in Food Service during the 1970s (when I also 2.13 an hour). I have said dozens of times here on the forum that I heard all about this in meetings, at the time the technology just wasn't quite there and now it is.

A higher minimum wage (even if it isn't up to 15.00 an hour) is a great excuse for big companies, especially franchise operations to see "see you, silly peasants, you did it to yourselves with demands that a full-time job actually pays the rent and buys a few scraps of food!"

In reality, once the technology gets to a certain point, it simply makes more sense to let a machine flip the burgers and make the public input their own orders (and pay by touch card).

That was the basis of their fantasy "two person shop" One person to keep the machines filled and running and the other to keep customers moving, deal with the public as required - they figured they could get "one person shops" in slower areas.
 

marsofold

Veteran Member
Virtually all convenience stores an hour from Philly have store posters claiming $13/hr starting wages. I guess below that, they couldn't keep people to stay long enough for the store to function. So $15/hr may not make as much of a change as expected.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Nothing pisses me off more than self-checkout! I don't get paid to work there why in the hell would the company expect me to bag and give them $$$. Especially Walmart when your self-checkout machine goes wonky and you can't even find ANYONE to help you give them YOUR own $$$! Don't forget to bring your cart back! Grrr
I understand the logic and concerns. I was the say way for a long time. Yet I have found the quality of most cashiers dropping faster than a 20 year old's pants when using tinder.

There are cashiers I will use all day long. They are efficient / pleasant and generally make the experience a better thing. The problem is that they represent about 5% of all cashiers these days. So I will use self checkout for that reason. Otherwise, I am using cashiers.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Once again, this will happen no matter if the minimum wage is 2.13 an hour (as it still is for waiting staff and that HAS to change and is the one part of this bill I support) or 30 dollars an hour.

These machines and automatic ordering were "in the cards" and "on the wish list" when I worked in Food Service during the 1970s (when I also 2.13 an hour). I have said dozens of times here on the forum that I heard all about this in meetings, at the time the technology just wasn't quite there and now it is.

A higher minimum wage (even if it isn't up to 15.00 an hour) is a great excuse for big companies, especially franchise operations to see "see you, silly peasants, you did it to yourselves with demands that a full-time job actually pays the rent and buys a few scraps of food!"

In reality, once the technology gets to a certain point, it simply makes more sense to let a machine flip the burgers and make the public input their own orders (and pay by touch card).

That was the basis of their fantasy "two person shop" One person to keep the machines filled and running and the other to keep customers moving, deal with the public as required - they figured they could get "one person shops" in slower areas.
We are developing a two tier system when it comes to retail.

Those who get the down and dirty with online orders / self check out

and

Those who get great personal service and pay a bit more for that.

We see it in our industry. Free software to do taxes (seldom actually free) and those who still use a service.

The good news is that we are busier than ever since people seem to screw things up a lot when it comes to taxes.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
Automatic burger flipper costs 30k. The new one coming out rides around on a rail and can do 80% of the tasks required.

I was laughing for weeks when Seattle passed their version of this. You had the usual cast of characters on the news excited about making 15$ an hour. As soon as it was passed you had the same cast of characters on the news crying about how they were immediately laid off. Service in SODO went from shit to pretty awesome though. You couldn't get a job at burger king without having a 4 year degree. Business owners all said if they were going to shell out 15$ an hour they would only hire workers worth that. So all those idiots did was get themselves removed from the job market.

Maybe the displaced workers will get it if it's in pictures--->

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TKO

Veteran Member

I posted the photo below on my Facebook account on Sunday with the caption “Live photograph of what a national $15 minimum wage looks like:”
Image may contain: screen, phone and indoor


Some readers mistakenly took that post as an attack on poor people, which of course completely misses the point. The point is that, once the government requires fast food businesses to dramatically increase the costs associated with the jobs they provide, many, perhaps most, of those jobs will simply go away, and the workers at, say, McDonalds will increasingly be displaced by the technology seen in the photo.

I got my first actual job when I was 14 years old, helping a couple of guys run the local mini-golf park. From that point forward, I worked every summer and Christmas break throughout my high school and college years, and held jobs during many in-school semesters as well. Every one of those jobs was a minimum wage job, and I was lucky and happy to have them, even the welder’s helper job on a pipeline construction crew, working 80-90 hour weeks in the heat of South Texas summers. With time and a half for overtime, even that $2.10 minimum wage in effect in 1976-77 added up to a decent sum of money by the time September rolled around.

I also worked various jobs in local clothing and hardware stores, where I learned how to do things like deal with ornery customers, measure an inseam, iron shirts, cut pipe, wrap Christmas gifts and put bicycles together. Over one Christmas break, since I was then majoring in accounting, I was assigned the task of taking inventory in a hardware store that had at the time been in operation for more than 80 years. You could never believe how many hundreds of thousands of screws, bolts, washers and nails one store could accumulate over such a long period of time.

I also worked for little while as a checker at a grocery store and for maybe 3 days as a waiter, but that was one job I couldn’t hack. I’ve been extremely courteous to restaurant wait staff throughout my life as a result of that awful experience.

The point here is this: These minimum wage jobs are an important element of our society’s cohesiveness and evolution, and the more we have of them, the better off our society will be. Jobs like these not only serve to keep people from becoming dependent on the state, they serve to teach young people many useful skills in life.

In my own life, I could directly link that experience taking inventory to my early career as an accountant. That experience working summers in the oil field was a catalyst for developing an interest in the oil business, in which I spent my entire adult life. The experience in sales directly helped prepare me for a later career as a lobbyist.

Many people like to make fun of “burger flippers” working at fast food joints like McDonald’s, but these are some of the most useful starting jobs a person can have. Think of the various skillsets young people develop while in such jobs. For starters, you learn how to cook things, which is one of the basic keys to human life. But you are also customer-facing much of the time, and learn to develop skills in dealing with difficult human beings, who, trust me, are every-freaking-where you go.

At a burger joint, you also learn how a basic supply chain operates, from the patties to the grill to the bun to the bag and out the window to the customer, adding accessories like salt, pepper, onions, lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, fries and ketchup and a 32 oz. soft drink with extra ice along the way. You may think it’s all trivial and tedious when you’re 20 years old and doing it, but these are all skills you will lean on throughout the rest of your life.

When the government artificially sets prices on these jobs that are so high that businesses can’t remain profitable with their current work force, many of these jobs start to disappear, and many young people lose their means of learning these important life skills. Millions of teenagers and college students aren’t lucky as I was and my grandkids are to have two parents to help them learn such skills, and the lack of job opportunities can hinder their abilities to make an adequate living as they progress through life.

I’m all for paying people more money, and many companies have commendably moved to a $15 minimum wage voluntarily in recent years. Other companies that can only remain profitable at lower wage levels haven’t done that, which is how a free market system should work. When those companies are forced by the government to pay more for their workers, they will either adapt by cutting some of their jobs or go out of business entirely, taking all of their jobs with them.

That’s the point of that picture. It has literally nothing to do with demeaning poor people, and everything to do with wanting as many people as possible to have the jobs where they will develop the skills they will use for the rest of their lives.
That is all.
All wrong for the most part. No worries in a $15 minimum wage, really. It won't look like that either...with kiosks. Here's what it will look like. Plenty of workers comin'!

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Melodi

Disaster Cat
But the displaced workers will still be displaced because no matter how you "slice" it, over time if a machine costs 30,000 dollars (which will go down eventually) and say 5,000 a year upkeep and two employees cost you more than that per year. The math is pretty obvious..

In reality, as I heard in those meetings, you can't automate everything and even if you could, human nature in anything but small towns and villages wouldn't allow for basically an unguarded shop.

I remember the talking-head speaker saying specifically why there would be "two-person shops" in all urban areas because you would need that for "security." Plus the human beings were needed to make sure the floors stayed clean, the machines stayed filled with supplies and someone could call the police if the local residents decided to "liberate" the contents of the kitchen.

At the time I heard this stuff being talked about, there was always a minimum of 4 people even on the all-night shift in most "family" places of the day (like I-hop) - The Cook, the Janitor, The Waitress, and the Buss Boy. At really slow times, there might only be three, but during busy times you probably had 4 to 5 waitresses and a hostess.

In Sweden when we moved there in the early 1990s (just after the laws were changed to make tipped employees fully paid employees) everything was moving to the "Ikea Model" or old "US Steak House Model" where you get a tray, order your food and carry it with you to check out (and/or your number is called or one person brings out orders).

The US is going to head in that direction, and it won't really matter what the employees are paid, there will still likely always be at least two.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
All wrong for the most part. No worries in a $15 minimum wage, really. It won't look like that either...with kiosks. Here's what it will look like. Plenty of workers comin'!

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Not at $15 an hour it won't.

The franchised fast food places will have to adhere to the laws. They aren't like all the contractors out there that use cash under the table for their "help".

The Fast Food joints are audited by cities-states and the fines they would get for that aren't worth it.

Most of the machinery involved has been in use in Europe for several years and the costs just keep coming down.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Not at $15 an hour it won't.

The franchised fast food places will have to adhere to the laws. They aren't like all the contractors out there that use cash under the table for their "help".

The Fast Food joints are audited by cities-states and the fines they would get for that aren't worth it.

Most of the machinery involved has been in use in Europe for several years and the costs just keep coming down.

Also many of them were rolling out the kiosks before the Covid mess started.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
But the displaced workers will still be displaced because no matter how you "slice" it, over time if a machine costs 30,000 dollars (which will go down eventually) and say 5,000 a year upkeep and two employees cost you more than that per year. The math is pretty obvious..

In reality, as I heard in those meetings, you can't automate everything and even if you could, human nature in anything but small towns and villages wouldn't allow for basically an unguarded shop.

I remember the talking-head speaker saying specifically why there would be "two-person shops" in all urban areas because you would need that for "security." Plus the human beings were needed to make sure the floors stayed clean, the machines stayed filled with supplies and someone could call the police if the local residents decided to "liberate" the contents of the kitchen.

At the time I heard this stuff being talked about, there was always a minimum of 4 people even on the all-night shift in most "family" places of the day (like I-hop) - The Cook, the Janitor, The Waitress, and the Buss Boy. At really slow times, there might only be three, but during busy times you probably had 4 to 5 waitresses and a hostess.

In Sweden when we moved there in the early 1990s (just after the laws were changed to make tipped employees fully paid employees) everything was moving to the "Ikea Model" or old "US Steak House Model" where you get a tray, order your food and carry it with you to check out (and/or your number is called or one person brings out orders).

The US is going to head in that direction, and it won't really matter what the employees are paid, there will still likely always be at least two.

As far as the cleaning, we aren't that far from autonomous cleaning robots.

The automation revolution has been going on since the early 80's. It will continue if we like it or not.

I was in manufacturing IT in the 80's and remember at a presentation the presenters being asked "what about those who get displaced?". He answered, "well, they can go into the service industries".

... now look where we are.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
So now it will cost at minimum $30 a hour for a employer to keep a new and unskilled employee on the payroll. While the employee will be lucky to bring home $12hr. After their part in taxes and cost share.


Not telling how many millions of people in Low end jobs will be let go because of this.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
But the displaced workers will still be displaced because no matter how you "slice" it, over time if a machine costs 30,000 dollars (which will go down eventually) and say 5,000 a year upkeep and two employees cost you more than that per year. The math is pretty obvious..

In reality, as I heard in those meetings, you can't automate everything and even if you could, human nature in anything but small towns and villages wouldn't allow for basically an unguarded shop.

I remember the talking-head speaker saying specifically why there would be "two-person shops" in all urban areas because you would need that for "security." Plus the human beings were needed to make sure the floors stayed clean, the machines stayed filled with supplies and someone could call the police if the local residents decided to "liberate" the contents of the kitchen.

At the time I heard this stuff being talked about, there was always a minimum of 4 people even on the all-night shift in most "family" places of the day (like I-hop) - The Cook, the Janitor, The Waitress, and the Buss Boy. At really slow times, there might only be three, but during busy times you probably had 4 to 5 waitresses and a hostess.

In Sweden when we moved there in the early 1990s (just after the laws were changed to make tipped employees fully paid employees) everything was moving to the "Ikea Model" or old "US Steak House Model" where you get a tray, order your food and carry it with you to check out (and/or your number is called or one person brings out orders).

The US is going to head in that direction, and it won't really matter what the employees are paid, there will still likely always be at least two.
You can't apply logic when dealing with the left. They do "new math".
Not at $15 an hour it won't.

The franchised fast food places will have to adhere to the laws. They aren't like all the contractors out there that use cash under the table for their "help".

The Fast Food joints are audited by cities-states and the fines they would get for that aren't worth it.

Most of the machinery involved has been in use in Europe for several years and the costs just keep coming down.
The CoC doesn't care about laws. There will be no ICE enforcement. I can guarantee no county or city official where I live could give a crap about what the status is of these workers. Illegal or legal. The new age of Dems is upon us.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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It will never pass into law. Gads...there are even some Democrats that know it's a disaster, let alone 50 Republican senators.

Won’t have to be National when idiotVoters in states do it. Voters in Florida did it. By 2025 I think the state min wage will be $15. Or maybe it is 2023, I forget which. So everyone will suddenly lose their job or be paid as salaried rather than hourly.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The left may do "new math" I can assure you the multinational business owners that ultimately control a lot of these places (including controlling the franchises) do pretty Old Fashioned Dollars and Cents type math.

Oh, they will play games that don't matter one way or the other in the 1960s they are happy to paint photos of NASA moon shots on the wall, replace little "Black" Sambo with a Kipling Asian-Indian boy in the 1970s or put wifi in today (the only time we go to McDonald's here is when our home internet is down).

But when it comes to making money, they will try to squeeze everything and then some, often they are forced to back off if they go too far, like Sambos did when I worked there. A "Plan" from HQ to get rid of cooks and have waitress cook and wait tables failed spectacularly on two counts. Customers walked out without paying when their orders were late and they got in trouble paying the 2.13 cent pay to staff her were only waiting tables part-time (which had been the idea from HQ to save money).
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Not sure whether to laugh or cry at all he many lost jobs, the workers with cut back hours and the stores that will quit doing business.

Economics through rose colored glasses ignoring reality does not work.

Fast Food jobs were never intended to allow a person to support their family. They are jpbs for college and high school kids looking for means to go on dates and buy cars.

The economic model was to keep costs low so you you can provide low prices for your products. If the products get too high people quit buying and just cook at home or go somewhere else.

People.were expected to better thems elves with a degree or a trade.

That is where you do not improve yourself you can expect to say "Do you want frys with that?"

Now the expectation is they as workers get high wages without haing to get the skills thatjustify them.

You can not do business that way and if you try you fail.
 
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