COMMUNISM MSNBC's Ruhle: Democratic Socialism 'a Lot Different' from the Socialism in Venezuela, Cuba

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MSNBC's Ruhle: Democratic Socialism 'a Lot Different' from the Socialism in Venezuela, Cuba
Trent Baker
2-2 minutes

“MSNBC Live” anchor Stephanie Ruhle on Tuesday claimed there is a difference between Democratic socialism and the socialism seen in Venezuela and Cuba.

Former Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL) told Ruhle that if Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden wants to win the state of Florida, he should refrain from taking socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-VT) advice.

“Bernie Sanders is the reason why the socialist label has stuck for some voters on Joe Biden,” Curbelo argued. “Bernie Sanders is the reason why a lot of south Florida Hispanics, in particular, are afraid that the Democratic Party has moved too far to the left, why they’re susceptible to this messaging from the Trump campaign that they should fear the Democratic Party.”

“If I was Joe Biden, I would not be taking Senator Sanders’ advice,” he added.

Ruhle pushed back against the notion of Sanders’ Democratic socialism being the same as the socialism seen in the countries where the Hispanics living in south Florida have fled. She also pointed out that Biden does not associate himself with either form of socialism.

“Two reminders: Democratic socialism is a lot different from the socialism from the countries where they come from, and Joe Biden doesn’t associate himself with either set of principles,” Ruhle told Curbelo.

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What a moron...

That's because we haven't tried our socialism. You know it's so much better.

sadly they mean it. i know people who say this but oddly they cant explain what the difference is.

jazzy said:

sadly they mean it. i know people who say this but oddly they cant explain what the difference is.

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Yeah...the old "We know what we are doing this time unlike everyone else for the last 10,000 years!"

Well, actually it's true, Denmark is not Caracas, but that doesn't mean it would work in a country the size of the USA either.

But as I've said before, Venezuela at least really Is NOT a socialist country other than name only (like the Democratic Republic of North Korea is not a Democracy or the Democratic Republic of the Congo). it is basically a "left-identified" dictatorship brought in by a former army officer that always kept the military happy because he knew which side of the bread his butter was on.

Once he died the Bus Driver took over and he isn't even smart enough to keep the military all that happy, which if he is ever deposed is more likely to be the reason than the US grabbing oil tankers or possibly sneaking in a few mercs or private contractors to try to do it on the side.

Whereas Denmark is pretty socialist, so was Sweden when we lived there and back then it kind of worked because in Sweden at least the idea had ALWAYS been - FAMILY FIRST, then The Little Village vs. Da Big Woods, and only after that "The State" envisioned as a continuation of that family/village.

Things fell apart in Sweden when massive numbers of people were brought in with no historical or cultural ties to this system, so instead of a young person expecting family to "sign on" so they could get a telephone or buy a car (which was pretty much required in 1994 - we had terrible problems with this ourselves since we had no local family) a young person from "the new Swedes" asks "where's my free stuff?"

I also point out that living in Sweden when it really was a more or less "functional" Socialist society convinced me I really didn't want to live in one.

Most Americans, even fairly open-minded ones, do not deal well constantly being reminded that everything has to be for the "good of others" complete with "people's committees" to remind you that your car is "too large" or your neighbors do not approve of grilling meat and veg outside during the afternoon ("it is not forbidden but...") aka you better stop now.

I haven't been to Cuba, but my impression is at times there has been a serious attempt to set up a Socialist state, but mostly it also was a classic Latin Amerian dictatorship with a few extra bells and whistles and a few programs that actually managed to work (going from 90 percent illiteracy to 90 percent literacy in a generation) but that may have been more do to a dedicated education ministry that really worked on it.

One of my professors in college said it was a "pity" that Cuba had invented it because it meant the US wouldn't even look at it as a stand-alone in terms of the teaching of reading and writing to adults, but they were not "allowed" to because it was "commie."

But mostly I wouldn't want to live in Cuba and I don't even think most of the current Cubans really are all that happy either.

jazzy said:

sadly they mean it. i know people who say this but oddly they cant explain what the difference is.

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Yeah I see these useful idiots saying this daily on faceborg. And they truly believe that this is the truth.

jazzy said:

sadly they mean it. i know people who say this but oddly they cant explain what the difference is.

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I can, and I partly just did - but the major factors tend to be a combination of the size of the country (though Cuba is small so that isn't always it) and is their enough natural resources and/or other means of generating lots of income to go to taxes, which people raised to it don't mind paying as much (no one likes it but they put up with it) because they feel they benefit from it.

For example, Norway does it so very well, because they have/had the North Sea Oil bringing in tons of money as well as a good education system, a small population, and a way for that population to earn enough money to support the system.

And, people have to be OK with living this way; as I point out, most Americans would not, though they might be willing to do what the UK has done, and if medical costs continue to be so amazingly out-of-touch with reality be willing to have a "socialist" style health care system or something. I am not saying the will but having one thing that is modestly socialized like social security, is very different from trying to run an entire society that way.

In a way, the US is right to try and bring down both Cuba and The Bus Driver by destroying their economies, though in Cuba's case I can't see that it was wildly successful, in Venezuela's case it might work eventually although a lot of the population will probably not live there anymore at the rate things are going (or be dead).

Because without income from somewhere, socialism even socialism "lite" doesn't work (but nothing much else does either).

The muslims have a saying that once the camel has it's nose under the tent it's to late it's already in the tent.

Yeah. Because WE CAN DO IT RIGHT and no one else ever has.

Of course it is cupcake. Hadn't heard that one before. *snort*

Publius said:

The muslims have a saying that once the camel has it's nose under the tent it's to late it's already in the tent.

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So you don't plan on taking your social security check when you retire then? I mean provided it is still there, that is the other problem with a lot of socialist programs (and non-socialist ones too) the human greed factor, in this case of congress not being able to resist using "all that money" for other projects because "we will pay it back later..." yeah right.

Waiting for Snow in Havana: Confessions of a Cuban Boy

by
Carlos Eire
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In 1962, at the age of eleven, Carlos Eire was one of 14,000 children airlifted out of Cuba, his parents left behind. His life until then is the subject of Waiting for Snow in Havana, a wry, heartbreaking, intoxicatingly beautiful memoir of growing up in a privileged Havana household -- and of being exiled from his own childhood by the Cuban revolution.

That childhood, until his world changes, is as joyous and troubled as any other -- but with exotic differences. Lizards roam the house and grounds. Fights aren't waged with snowballs but with breadfruit. The rich are outlandishly rich, like the eight-year-old son of a sugar baron who has a real miniature race car, or the neighbor with a private animal garden, complete with tiger. All this is bathed in sunlight and shades of turquoise and tangerine: the island of Cuba, says one of the stern monks at Carlos's school, might have been the original Paradise -- and it is tempting to believe.

His father is a municipal judge and an obsessive collector of art and antiques, convinced that in a past life he was Louis XVI and that his wife was Marie Antoinette. His mother looks to the future; conceived on a transatlantic liner bound for Cuba from Spain, she wants her children to be modern, which means embracing all things American. His older brother electrocutes lizards. Surrounded by eccentrics, in a home crammed with portraits of Jesus that speak to him in dreams and nightmares, Carlos searches for secret proofs of the existence of God.

Then, in January 1959, President Batista is suddenly gone, a cigar-smoking guerrilla named Castro has taken his place, and Christmas is canceled. The echo of firingsquads is everywhere. At the Aquarium of the Revolution, sharks multiply in a swimming pool. And one by one, the author's schoolmates begin to disappear -- spirited away to the United States. Carlos will end up there himself, alone, never to see his father again.

Narrated with the urgency of a confession, Waiting for Snow in Havana is both an exorcism and an ode to a paradise lost. More than that, it captures the terrible beauty of those times in our lives when we are certain we have died -- and then are somehow, miraculously, reborn.

How's that list go?

"The Check is in the mail"

"Sure, I'll respect you in the morning!"

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"Our Socialism isn't like that bad Socialism! Honest!"

Well, yes.

Democratic Socialism is much more like das Reich. Jawohl, mein herr!

Melodi said:

Denmark

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Norway

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Sweden

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The definition of Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government. The three Scandinavian countries are Capitalist and Free Market with huge and expensive welfare systems.

All three tend to take a hands off approach to businesses and are among the best countries worldwide to do business in....


The Democrat Socialists in the US want as much control of private business as possible and Bernie Sanders was called out by the Danish Prime Minister for associating Denmark as a Socialist country......

While speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware "that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism."


"Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."


Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."


The Scandinavians don't even have high taxes on business but sock it to the people whereas the US Democrat Socialists want to tax and control business into oblivion and are on record stating that.

I don't see their version working as long as the peasants are well armed

a point that is not lost on some of them

But like the Venezuelans, they CALL themselves Socialist Countries and when I lived there they had a lot of socialist policies - that was changing and Sweden especially realized it needed to be more business-friendly.

However, the health care system is socialist, there is (or was) welfare for all pretty much; husband and I were just talking about some of the young people we knew that effectively just lived off the government benefit system as well as their families until their late 20s. That wasn't common but it was doable.

The government used tax money to underwrite all sorts of clubs and societies (I know we got a grant for the Uppsala Borklinga chapter of the Folk Harp Society and the Swedish SCA gets a ton of money for "living history.")

New cars were simply too expensive (when we were there)for most people to buy so the State not only underwrote the two main car companies they had a system where cars were leased by companies for one year (partly subsidized) by big companies and then turned in to be actually sold as "used" cars to the general public.

I heard that directly from our car salesmen when I pinned him on it, after he told me we were "not allowed" to buy the car we wanted because it wasn't "right" for us - aka we were a young couple and it simply didn't fit our "position" in life - we bought it anyway.

"the US Democrat Socialists want to tax and control business into oblivion and are on record stating that."
doesn't make any sense. How do they get the stuff they, not like us little people matter so who cares, need in life. Like food, parts to fix stuff and keep the lights on and so on. Oh I forget, it only matters that they have power over everything. Silly me.

Socialism is good until you run out of other people’s money.

Publius said:

The muslims have a saying that once the camel has it's nose under the tent it's to late it's already in the tent.

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That's when you shoot it between the eyes with the trusty 12ga

Seems the demoncraps just have to lie, they can't help themselves. Theirs is always better, no matter what they are talking about...

This time it'll be different.

DNC to BLM/ANTIFA/Anarchists...Democrat run cities are yours.

America is Gotham City, Bane is BLM/ANTIFA/Anarchists with his Marxist followers (2min)

"We take Gotham from the corrupt! The Rich!
The oppressors of generation who have kept you down with myth of opportunity.
And we give it back to you...the people. Gotham is yours!
None shall interfere. Do as you please.

But start by storming BlackGate and freeing the oppressed!
Step forward, those who would serve for an army will be raised.

The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure!
Courts will be convened!
Spoils will be enjoyed!
Blood will be shed!

The police will survive as they learn to serve true justice.

This great city...it will endure.
Gotham will survive!"
View: https://youtu.be/clZ5pdrc_X8


DNC Hiring Dark Revolutionary Forces to help destroy the Middle Class.

Once the Revolutionary Mob has destroyed Law & Order and subdued their enemies they think they are still in power.

Do You Feel In Charge? (2min)

Tom Hardy: I'm in Charge.
Bane: Do You Feel In Charge?
Tom Hardy: I've paid you a small fortune.
Bane: This gives you power over me?
Tom Hardy: What is this?
Bane: Your money and infrastructure have been important...til now.
Tom Hardy: What are you?
Bane: I'm Gotham's (America) reckoning, here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on.
Tom Hardy: You're pure evil.
Bane: I'm necessary evil.

View: https://youtu.be/3C_BubeBU8E?t=14


Yuri Bezmenov warned they (Revolutionary Useful Idiots) are the most dangerous element of the post revolution.