If you are in your residence where are you suppose to retreat to? It truly is a question I have given I am a Senior Citizen.
RACE WAR Video of riots last night. It shows what we are up against.
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et2
TB Fanatic
Soy boy should have stood up and squared up to that she-boon. If necessary take her out.
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
Gun free zones are breeding grounds for these "tough groups" I haven't seen any news stories from southern West Virginia, Backwoods Arkansas, Western Kentucky or any other country locations with good gun laws and high gun ownership. Heck in Boone County West Virginia the whole restaurant would have jumped up and kicked ass... Just saying!
et2
TB Fanatic
god bless that woman
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
How long before they come on a table of PTSD'd out Army Vets, who pulled 4 tours in the sand box and just aren't in the mood to have some half pint white kids leaning into their face talking about white silence. 20 kids will be screaming in pain before the rest of them are able to start running... The day is coming!
et2
TB Fanatic
Well they assaulted her by being closer than 6‘. Spewing there bio gasses all over her. If it were me I would have been all torqued and would immediately stood up ... If they got further into my space the party would be on.
sy32478
Veteran Member
That would be the Castle Doctrine. Stand your ground relates to being away from your home.
Mary Contrary
Inactive
You explained it very well. I agree with you. We all feel so damn helpless, but i guess like you said it's the governors of the states who have to ask for help from the President. So let their damn cities burn since they won't ask for help. Yeah, burn all the democrat cities. Leave the Republican ones alone. It's getting scary. I live in the country up in in the hills 10 miles from a very small town and 20 miles from a midsize town and 40 miles from a much bigger city. I am getting worried. Everyone around me is redneck and everyone has guns. I don't think they will put up with Antifa coming here.
lonestar09
Veteran Member
It looks like there are more shootings going on about an hour ago.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/markdice/status/1298491247682756613?prefetchtimestamp=1598423021908
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/markdice/status/1298491247682756613?prefetchtimestamp=1598423021908
Now that's a awesome job of explaining the situation!
Rucus Sunday
Veteran Member
"Can" and "shouldn't" are two different things, the one having strictly to do with law, the other with political expediency. (And, of course, there's also the question of federal facilities and/or employees being directly threatened by violence, as in Portland). Strictly speaking, the president DOES have the power to send federal troops into a particular state or city to restore law and order.
What you're (apparently) advocating is that, as things stand, he SHOULDN'T do so at this time for political reasons, which I'd agree with. Wait till after the election, then let it fly. But if the "other side" has other plans in mind, and is intent on forcing his hand prior to the election (with slow Joe as their only hope, who can blame them?), then it becomes a tougher call.
If things reach the meltdown point prior to the election, then he could be considered derelict by NOT invoking the Insurrection Act. Long story short, it depends on what the other side does. Given how things are shaping up in Wisconsin right now, he could be given a pass by the majority of voters if they perceive he has no other choice than to send in troops. If this turns into a real, all-out shooting war, then all bets are off as to which course of action is more politically expedient. IMO, let the other side establish the ROE for the next two months, and react accordingly. But with Donald being Donald, who can say?
What you're (apparently) advocating is that, as things stand, he SHOULDN'T do so at this time for political reasons, which I'd agree with. Wait till after the election, then let it fly. But if the "other side" has other plans in mind, and is intent on forcing his hand prior to the election (with slow Joe as their only hope, who can blame them?), then it becomes a tougher call.
If things reach the meltdown point prior to the election, then he could be considered derelict by NOT invoking the Insurrection Act. Long story short, it depends on what the other side does. Given how things are shaping up in Wisconsin right now, he could be given a pass by the majority of voters if they perceive he has no other choice than to send in troops. If this turns into a real, all-out shooting war, then all bets are off as to which course of action is more politically expedient. IMO, let the other side establish the ROE for the next two months, and react accordingly. But with Donald being Donald, who can say?
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NoDandy
Has No Life - Lives on TB
If the riots / burning / looting continues, because the established authority does not / will not stop it, due to legal / political reasons, then it is up to the people themselves. Yes, some would say that is vigilantism, but the people should not have to suffer continued lawlessness !
Kenosha, two commies dead, one was almost de-armed.
Keep very close tabs on this, later today.
There is a good possibility that it will be the trigger for them to abruptly shift tactics.
Will this spread to other commie held areas?
Keep very close tabs on this, later today.
There is a good possibility that it will be the trigger for them to abruptly shift tactics.
Will this spread to other commie held areas?
IceWave
Veteran Member
FYI, Ohio has no duty to retreat.
codes.ohio.gov
"2901.09 No duty to retreat in residence or vehicle.
(A) As used in this section, "residence" and "vehicle" have the same meanings as in section 2901.05 of the Revised Code.
(B) For purposes of any section of the Revised Code that sets forth a criminal offense, a person who lawfully is in that person's residence has no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense, defense of another, or defense of that person's residence, and a person who lawfully is an occupant of that person's vehicle or who lawfully is an occupant in a vehicle owned by an immediate family member of the person has no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense or defense of another."
Section 2901.09 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws
codes.ohio.gov
"2901.09 No duty to retreat in residence or vehicle.
(A) As used in this section, "residence" and "vehicle" have the same meanings as in section 2901.05 of the Revised Code.
(B) For purposes of any section of the Revised Code that sets forth a criminal offense, a person who lawfully is in that person's residence has no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense, defense of another, or defense of that person's residence, and a person who lawfully is an occupant of that person's vehicle or who lawfully is an occupant in a vehicle owned by an immediate family member of the person has no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense or defense of another."
IceWave
Veteran Member
Michigan also has no duty to retreat.
SELF-DEFENSE ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 309 of 2006
780.972 Use of deadly force by individual not engaged in commission of crime; conditions.
Sec. 2.
(1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies:
(a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual.
(b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual.
(2) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses force other than deadly force may use force other than deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if he or she honestly and reasonably believes that the use of that force is necessary to defend himself or herself or another individual from the imminent unlawful use of force by another individual.
History: 2006, Act 309, Eff. Oct. 1, 2006
Michigan Legislature - Section 780.972
The Michigan Legislature Website is a free service of the Legislative Internet Technology Team in cooperation with the Michigan Legislative Council, the Michigan House of Representatives, and the Michigan Senate.
www.legislature.mi.gov
SELF-DEFENSE ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 309 of 2006
780.972 Use of deadly force by individual not engaged in commission of crime; conditions.
Sec. 2.
(1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies:
(a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual.
(b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual.
(2) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses force other than deadly force may use force other than deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if he or she honestly and reasonably believes that the use of that force is necessary to defend himself or herself or another individual from the imminent unlawful use of force by another individual.
History: 2006, Act 309, Eff. Oct. 1, 2006
This might save you some posts.
Stand-your-ground law
Stand-your-ground in practice
Stand-your-ground from within one's vehicle
Castle doctrine only; duty to retreat in public
Duty to retreat
Color legend didn't copy over, viewable here.
Stand-your-ground law
Stand-your-ground in practice
Stand-your-ground from within one's vehicle
Castle doctrine only; duty to retreat in public
Duty to retreat
Color legend didn't copy over, viewable here.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
To your point - when does "vigilantism" become taking necessary decisive actions against enemies - foreign AND domestic?
NOT a hard question to answer - the line of demarcation is clear and distinct for anyone who cares to look correctly, rather than wring hands and chant a mantra about "the authorities" taking care of the problem.
"Occam's Razor" applies here - it really IS simple to understand. Review what the Founding Fathers thought about this sort of situation, if you have any doubt - they were crystal-clear about the correct path to resolution.
1776 is your guide.
intothegoodnight
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et2
TB Fanatic
desparity of force ...
quite certain they wouldn’t advance with red hot lead flying at them If they tried. So far no need to retreat where I live. But I’d be dammed if some she-boon going to be punching on me. They setup these situations thinking nobody can stop them. They’re wrong.
vector7
Dot Collector
Project Perseus…Leftist infiltration of US government at its highest levels by Bolshevik Communists to subvert America from within.
This video released 8/19/20...game dropped today.
Bizarre True Events That Inspired Call of Duty: Cold War ('Perseus’ Teaser) 2min
Leftist Active Measures:
1-Demoralization
2-Destabilization
3-Crisis
4-Normalization (The New Normal)
View: https://youtu.be/m1kfCGjOaSw
View: https://twitter.com/itsredactedYT/status/1296601863270408196
View: https://twitter.com/itsredactedYT/status/1296601713797935104
IN EARLY 2008 OBAMA REVEALED HE WOULD CUT AMERICA'S MILITARY DEFENSE SYSTEMS SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMBAT SYSTEMS AND NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY WITH RUSSIA TO ACHIEVE DEEP CUTS IN DISMANTLING OUR NUCLEAR ARSENALS (1min)
Uploaded on Feb 16, 2008
View: https://youtu.be/dl32Y7wDVDs
View: https://twitter.com/gdmaninsrch/status/1298034342766219265
RussiaGate is DNC Projection
This video released 8/19/20...game dropped today.
Bizarre True Events That Inspired Call of Duty: Cold War ('Perseus’ Teaser) 2min
Leftist Active Measures:
1-Demoralization
2-Destabilization
3-Crisis
4-Normalization (The New Normal)
View: https://twitter.com/itsredactedYT/status/1296601863270408196
View: https://twitter.com/itsredactedYT/status/1296601713797935104
IN EARLY 2008 OBAMA REVEALED HE WOULD CUT AMERICA'S MILITARY DEFENSE SYSTEMS SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMBAT SYSTEMS AND NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY WITH RUSSIA TO ACHIEVE DEEP CUTS IN DISMANTLING OUR NUCLEAR ARSENALS (1min)
Uploaded on Feb 16, 2008
View: https://twitter.com/gdmaninsrch/status/1298034342766219265
RussiaGate is DNC Projection
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Their reason...they're unprepared.
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Military & Defense
June 21, 15:50 UTC+3
Around 40 garrison towns are currently being built, according to Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu...
Leader: World War 3 Will Start With Alaska Invasion
October 15, 2016
Norman Byrd
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The Daily Star reported this week that a high-ranking former U.S. Navy official has claimed to have evidence that a Russian invasion of the United States is imminent and will begin in, of all places, the small village of Wasilla, Alaska.
~snip~
According to the official, who offered the information on condition of anonymity, Wasilla will become the jump-off for a more protracted invasion of North America. “Our feeling in the Navy was that Obama had turned Alaska into a defenseless area that will serve as a forward base of operations when World War III begins,” he said.
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Is a remote naval center near Seattle in Russia’s nuclear crosshairs?
Sat., March 2, 2019
By Hal Bernton Seattle Times
A Russian state television broadcaster asserts that one of his country’s top targets for attack in the event of nuclear war would be a 4,700-acre site east of Arlington that encompasses a key transmission center for the Pacific submarine fleet and a forested recreational area for military personnel. (Mark Nowlin/Seattle Times)
SEATTLE – A Russian state television broadcaster asserts that one of his country’s top targets for attack in the event of nuclear war would be a 4,700-acre site east of Arlington that encompasses a key transmission center for the Pacific submarine fleet and a forested recreational area for military personnel.
Naval Radio Station Jim Creek is a forested expanse of land near Arlington that hosts a major communications hub for the Pacific submarine fleet that a Russian broadcaster asserts would be among the top U.S. targets in event of nuclear war.
In a Sunday evening broadcast, Dmitry Kiselyov featured a map of the United States that listed Jim Creek along with the Pentagon and the presidential retreat at Camp David as initial strike targets Russian would want to hit, according to a report from Reuters.
Kiselyov is a high-profile journalist tapped by the Russian government to head a weekly news show called “Vesti Nedeli.” But Kiselyov’s credentials as a Kremlin insider appear to be diminished by his inclusion on the map aired Sunday of Fort Ritchie, a military training center in Maryland that closed in 1998, and McClellan Air Force Base in California, which was shuttered in 2001.
Kiselyov claimed that hypersonic missiles Russia is developing could hit the U.S. targets within five minutes of launch. The Reuters news report described Kiselyov’s segment as “unusual even by the bellicose standards of Russian state TV.” Asked to comment Monday, a Kremlin spokesperson said it did not interfere with state TV editorial policy, according to Reuters.
Kiselyov remarks come amid concerns about a renewed nuclear arms race. The Trump administration earlier this year announced the U.S. withdrawal from the Intermediate-range Nuclear Force Treaty, which could open the door to eventually deploying such missiles in Europe. Putin has said that could lead to Russia placing hypersonic missiles on Russian nuclear submarines that could strike U.S. targets.
Jim Creek, the Washington state target spotlighted in Kiselyov’s Sunday broadcast, is a relatively obscure U.S. military site, located about 60 miles from Seattle.
Jim Creek is currently under the command of Naval Station Everett, and a spokeswoman for the naval station declined to comment Monday on the Russian television broadcast. She referred a reporter to the Defense Department for comment...
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