GOV/MIL California Gov. Gavin Newsom: Time to 'Sober Up' About Green Energy's Flaws

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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www.breitbart.com/environment/2020/08/17/california-gov-gavin-newsom-time-to-sober-up-about-green-renewable-energy-flaws/

California Gov. Gavin Newsom: Time to 'Sober Up' About Green Energy's Flaws
Joel B. Pollak
4-5 minutes

California Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday that the state had to “sober up” about the fact that renewable energy sources had failed to provide enough power for the state at peak demand, and needed “backup” and “insurance” from other sources.

Newsom addressed journalists and the public in the midst of ongoing electricity blackouts that began on Friday, as hundreds of thousands of Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) customers in northern and central California lost power.

There is currently high demand for electricity across the state, as the entire West Coast has been hit by a heat wave and record-breaking temperatures.

One reason the state lacked power, officials admitted, was its over-reliance on “renewables” — i.e. wind and solar power.

There was not enough wind to keep turbines going, Newsom said, and cloud cover and nightfall restricted solar power.

“While we’ve had some peak gust winds,” he explained, “wind gust events across the state have been relatively mild.”

That was good for fighting fires, he said, but bad for the “renewable portfolio” in the state’s energy infrastructure. In addition, high demand for electricity in the evening hours, coupled with less input from solar plants, created strain.

On Friday, Newsom said, the state had fallen about 1,000 megawatts short; on Saturday, it fell 450 megawatts short. Sunday saw only “modest or minor” interruptions. But on Monday, he said, the state would be 4,400 megawatts short of “where we believe we need to be.”

“This next few days, we are anticipating being challenged,” Newsom said, as the heat wave was predicted to last through Wednesday.

“We failed to predict and plan these shortages,” Newsom admitted boldly, “and that’s simply unacceptable.” He said he took responsibility for the crisis, and for addressing it immediately, so that “we never come back into this position again.”

Newsom said the state would try to address shortfalls through conservation, and through procuring new sources of energy.

Though the state would continue its “transition” to 100% renewable energy, Newsom said, “we cannot sacrifice reliability as we move forward in this transition.”

He promised “forecasting that is more sober” regarding solar energy, and a stronger focus on energy storage.

California’s shift toward “green” energy has led the way for Democrats nationwide, who hope to impose even more ambitious targets for renewable energy nationwide.

As Breitbart News noted Monday:

California has been rushing to replace fossil fuel energy sources with “renewables,” primarily wind and solar power, in pursuit of its own version of the “Green New Deal.”

In 2018, then-Gov. Jerry Brown (D) signed a law requiring the state to obtain 100% of its energy needs from renewables by 2045, though no one could explain how the state would do that.

In 2019, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) introduced the Green New Deal, which aimed to achieve the same goal by 2030.

And in 2020, former Vice President Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic Party nominee for president, adopted a version of the Green New Deal that commits the U.S. to reach 100% renewables in electricity generation by 2035.

Newsom asked the public to help manage the current crisis by conserving energy. Air conditioning, he said, should be set to 78º from 3:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m., for example, and children should be reminded to turn lights off in rooms as they left.

In 2019, Newsom canceled the state’s high-speed rail project — long seen as a key “green” project — because he said it “would cost too much and, respectfully, would take too long.”

Former Vice President Joe Biden, who is expected to accept the Democratic Party’s nomination for president later this week, is running on bringing back high-speed rail projects like those the Obama-Biden administration supported as part of the stimulus in 2009.

California’s project was the most well-developed before it was canceled.

Joel B. Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News and the host of Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot on Sunday evenings from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. ET (4 p.m. to 7 p.m. PT). His new book, RED NOVEMBER, tells the story of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary from a conservative perspective. He is a winner of the 2018 Robert Novak Journalism Alumni Fellowship. Follow him on Twitter at @joelpollak.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/17/nolte-blackouts-force-newsom-to-admit-green-energy-falls-short/

Nolte: Blackouts Force Newsom to Admit Green Energy Falls Short
John Nolte
5-6 minutes

Blackouts in the failing state of Democrat-run California have forced Governor Gavin Newsom to admit green every is falling short.

“Newsom says the transition away from fossil fuels has left California with a gap in the reliability of its energy system. He says the state must examine its reliance on solar power and how that fits into its broader energy portfolio,” reports the San Francisco Chronicle’s Alexei Koseff.

“Today we are anticipating substantially greater need for energy,” Newsom said at a Monday press conference. Per Koseff, he added that this greater need is “about 4,400 megawatts short of what the state needs. That’s a ten times greater shortfall than Saturday. ”

“We failed to predict and plan these shortages and that’s simply unacceptable,” Newsom somehow said without bursting into flames.

Give me a break.

No one “failed to predict” anything.

California has had decades to prepare for this. No one failed to predict it. They only failed to prepare for it.

The writing has been on the wall since 2001 when the state was hit with a series of massive blackouts and soaring electricity prices. The result was the successful recall of then-Democrat Governor Gray Davis in late 2003. He was replaced by the equally incompetent Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Over the weekend, the former-Golden State was hit with its second day of rolling blackouts. As my colleague Joel Pollak reported at the time, “the state’s power grid struggled to deal with a heat wave that caused a surge in consumer demand.”

The blackout hit 220,000 homes in the North Bay area.

While there’s nothing funny about people losing power during a heat wave, it is still hard not to laugh at a state that is so scientifically backwards. The luddites were thwarted by a lack of wind and clouds.

Yes, wind and clouds:

Officials blamed the “unexpected loss of a 470-megawatt power plant Saturday evening, as well as the loss of nearly 1,000 megawatts of wind power,” the San Jose Mercury News reported. In addition, cloud cover over the desert meant solar energy was in short supply.

What are we, savages?

What is this, the third world?

No one has to live like this in the 21st century.

All you need to do is build more power and nuclear plants and the problem is solved.

Yes, it really is that easy.

Oh, but California is closing down its nuclear power plants, and “the sudden shutdown of two conventional power plants” contributed to Friday and Saturday’s blackouts — one was shut down for service (in August!), the other shut down unexpectedly.

And let’s not forget that in 2018 the Democrat-dominated state legislature passed a bill demanding the state have “100% climate-friendly electricity by 2045.” This means no emissions.

Geothermal is emission-free, but the okay to build three new geothermal plants was only approved this year. However, per the far-left Los Angeles Times, “Building a geothermal facility can be several times more expensive than a comparably sized solar or wind farm, meaning geothermal plant operators must charge more for the electricity they generate.”

And as we now know, wind and solar might be cheap but can also be thwarted by clouds and the lack of a stiff breeze.

This is not progressive.

There is nothing progressive about going backward, about living like we still haven’t discovered electricity or clean, cheap nuclear energy.

You know, after almost nine years, the wife and fled California in 2011. Brother, even then, the writing was on the wall. Already there were sky-high energy costs combined with a government so regressive I was being punished with a tax for using plastic grocery bags while absolutely nothing was being done about the flood of illegal immigrants who increased energy prices, who made classroom learning in some public schools impossible, who lowered wages and stole jobs from legal residents and immigrants.

Since I’ve left, things have gotten exponentially worse — massive tax increases, an exploding homeless problem… The government is broken. While the Democrats who run California with no serious Republican opposition cannot deliver basic services like electricity during a heat wave or water during a drought (reservoirs hurt Mother Earth), these same Democrats are pouring billions into boondoggles.

California is a failed state, and it is not the fault of the Democrat Party — it is what it is… It’s the fault of voters who continue to double down on failure, who have given these loons a veto-proof majority in the state legislature.

When California was a Republican stronghold, it was truly the Golden State, a place where dreams came true…

Destroying California, one of the most beautiful states in the union, one with an endless supply of natural and human resources, is not an easy thing to do — but Democrats are locusts who eventually destroy everything.

Follow John Nolte on Twitter @NolteNC. Follow his Facebook Page here.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
i, i, i, i, i....

um.......

did he have a stroke?

mebbe heat stroke....

is he high?
entirely possible.

or is it just that so many of the failed policies that have held their citizens hostage are all starting to impact harder at the same time, and they have either started to really kick up a fuss in ways that will actually make dems lives a little harder oooorrr.....too many people have just left the state?
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Meanwhile, a meeting was held to further the plan to rip out hydroelectric dams on the Oregon border. Hydroelectric is a "storable" energy, in that the water can be held behind the dam and released to turn turbines to match peak need. It is an important balancing element to the cyclic nature of solar and wind.

In addition, wildfires rage on while the forests are choked with biomass from stocking far in excess of the natural state from poor management practices/environmental "preservation." Much of that biomass could be burned in cogeneration plants to produce heat and electricity. Even pellets could be produced for smaller scale commercial and household use.

There are also many geothermal sites that were proven and ready to go that were halted because of some special interest group's concerns.

It is not like sources were unavailable, the just didn't fit the Green goals of the globalists/enviro-nazis.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Until there is yet another source of power, including in California and Ireland probably Tidal power that actually works 24/7, there will have to be fossil fuel backups.

Although personally I don't think there has been nothing invented in over 100 years that might replace them, rather than promising technologies were kind of buried or handed over to the military because they didn't make money for certain really large interests.

I would vastly prefer a realistic look of what the situation is, what is the best outcome, are there any real alternatives out there (for local regions) and then use the fossil fuels as a back up while the same energy that is being used to go to Mars is also utilized to look for new power sources.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Why is he coming clean now?

Something has changed in a large way for him to deviate from the liberal party line.

Are people waking up and realizing that this tree-hugging crap don't work and it was a ruse to snatch their dollars?

Usually, it's money. Is he angling for some federal money to build power plants...that will never get built? Kinda like the train.

Have the neighboring states who supply California's power reached a point where they need the excess?

This will be interesting to watch, as it develops.
 

sssarawolf

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not 30 yrs ago energy plants needed to be built and folks did the: Not in my back yard crap. Many told them just solar and wind wasn't going to cut it. But they wouldn't listen. Then they decided hydroelectric wasn't renewable, what a bunch a horse hockey.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
I wonder just how much energy would be saved if we removed all the computer microchips from all the household appliances? Does everything have to be on (ghosting) all the time? Our coffee maker, our microwave, our oven, our TV's, computer, router, cable, etc., etc., etc., seems everything has a little red light on even when you turn everything off.

May not seem like much for each household, but it all adds up when all the people in the state have the basic appliances and electronics that are constantly using energy and that's a huge power drain on the system! It's the death by a thousand/ten thousand/ten million cuts. On should be on....and OFF should be TOTALLY off.

LED's over incandescent. That last house we lived in had something like fifteen 75 watt each flood lights in the kitchen...WTH?!? (Ok...it was a custom house with a custom kitchen designed in the mid-80's) So every time we turned on the kitchen lights we were sucking down 1,125 watts of power just for lighting. Switched out all those incandescent energy wasters for 12.5 watt LED bulbs producing an equivalent amount of light. So instead of sucking up 1,125 watts the LED's reduced that energy consumption down to 187.5 watts.....a savings of 937.5 watts of power. Meaning I could power SIX additional kitchens in light with just that savings of LED's over incandescent bulbs. AND......reduced the amount of wasted heat produced by the old bulbs.....and the LED's lasted several times longer. That savings more than made up for the higher initial cost of the change out. WIN-WIN!
 
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kite

Contributing Member
Why is he coming clean now?

Something has changed in a large way for him to deviate from the liberal party line.

Are people waking up and realizing that this tree-hugging crap don't work and it was a ruse to snatch their dollars?

Usually, it's money. Is he angling for some federal money to build power plants...that will never get built? Kinda like the train.

Have the neighboring states who supply California's power reached a point where they need the excess?

This will be interesting to watch, as it develops.
I got the same feeling. What is this libturd really up to? Why finally admitting the truth about CA's collectively failed energy policies? They completely deserve to wallow in the mess they have created.
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Oh Good Grief! That was not bug, that was a feature. There was aerial photo of Berlin taken about 1948. The Western Sectors were ablaze with light, the Eastern dark with an occasional pinprick.

I was amazed to discover that the Cultural Left found it good. No damned power wasting advertising signs. And I bet the Lesser Classes had no heat in the dark.
 
Until there is yet another source of power, including in California and Ireland probably Tidal power that actually works 24/7, there will have to be fossil fuel backups.
Tides don’t work 24/7 and never will. They don’t even peak at the same time every day. Not practical in the general use.
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
Why is he coming clean now?

Something has changed in a large way for him to deviate from the liberal party line.

Are people waking up and realizing that this tree-hugging crap don't work and it was a ruse to snatch their dollars?

Usually, it's money. Is he angling for some federal money to build power plants...that will never get built? Kinda like the train.

Have the neighboring states who supply California's power reached a point where they need the excess?

This will be interesting to watch, as it develops.

He probably learned about more businesses that are leaving.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Must have swallowed a gallon of mallox before admitting that. ****ing morons to believe that renewable energy hocus pocus.
 

kittyluvr

Veteran Member
Even though Newsom states their is a problem with the "renewable energy transition," he is not willing to repeal the 100% renewable energy law (large hydroelectric plants are not considered renewable) or put back online the natural gas fired power plants. He just expects to be able to "procure" more electricity.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Because the New Green Deal is a Grid death wish, this won't make blackouts go away but increase.

If we converted all cars to electric it would increase grid needs by around 30%.

By 2050 with increases in population there are estimates some grids may need up to 50% more capacity, hows that going to happen with Wind and Solar?

RT 30sec
View: https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1289311741978042369

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View: https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1237500708070531072

 

rbt

Veteran Member
The reality is renewable energy isn’t economic
solar panels are an example they say life span about 20 years, 17 years to produce enough energy to pay for panel maybe Newsom woke up but highly doubt it.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
California's solution...




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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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He just expects to be able to "procure" more electricity.
Hey Newsom, I got yer "procurement" RIGHT HERE! (Grabs crotch suggestively.)


As to their "heat wave," Rush said that the L.A. area was 93 deg yesterday. THAT'S their freakin heat wave! If they ever hit a hundred, God help 'em....
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
Tides don’t work 24/7 and never will. They don’t even peak at the same time every day. Not practical in the general use.
I mean as one additional alternative to adding to things already being done - if it works.

Tidal power has been used in Ireland in some forms since the 10th century, now the only way to make it (or most forms of "alternative" energy work is extreme battery storage which as far as I know, does not exist yet.

My point really was that I refused to accept that a civilization that can go from barely flying bicycles to the Moon in 60 years SHOULD be able to figure out new forms of energy (including high tech ones) that don't use the same power sources for over 100 years.

Once I again, extremes in either direction are not a good idea, I am old enough to remember rivers that caught on fire and searing lungs during high air pollution days in both Denver and Southern California (for similar reasons but different times of years).

I can also remember swimming in water with blobs of oil in it and playing on beaches covered with the stuff - those beaches eventually had to be totally removed and the sand replaced as "bio-hazards" decades later (Avila Beach, CA).

On the other hand, I'm not against admitting reality either - at the moment the infrastructure is set up to use fossil fuels as a primary source and you can also get terrible pollution in some places by burning old fashioned coal and wood (which we use ourselves to keep warm, there are not a lot of options where we are).

What bothers me is this keeps being presented as an either/or - either we just keep using the same 100 plus-year-old technology until some places are so contaminated that humans can't live there OR we pretend that a few wind towers and solar panel farms can provide all the power needed for a place the size of California.

It is the same either/or with atomic power - either we just ignore any of the dangers and just pretend everything is just fine (until the next Fukashima or Crynobel) or we must ban every sort of nuclear power plant and not even try to figure out newer ways of building them that are safer (and perhaps use newer forms of the technology?).

The same either/or with hydro-electric ...

I'll stop now, but you get the idea - and I still maintain that there are likely plenty of inventions that would provide at least SOME power and SOME ways of powering machinery, cars, electronics, etc that could be used as a basis for whole new ways of doing things; but they have been bought off and buried.

Sort of like Los Angeles has a great public transit system when my Mother was a young girl, only it was intentionally bought up and dismantled for scrap in the 1950s by various interest groups with ties to highway building and the petroleum industry.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
I got the same feeling. What is this libturd really up to? Why finally admitting the truth about CA's collectively failed energy policies? They completely deserve the to wallow in the mess they have created.

Yeah, in reading this I have to wonder if there is a pod in the closet....

IMHO, he is trying to move into the "adult" position in the current political spectrum, perhaps because he either sees a chance for either 2024, a possibility of being Harris' VP after Biden goes home or even for this "convention" to pick him.

However you look at it, it's too little too late.
 

West

Senior
Meanwhile, a meeting was held to further the plan to rip out hydroelectric dams on the Oregon border. Hydroelectric is a "storable" energy, in that the water can be held behind the dam and released to turn turbines to match peak need. It is an important balancing element to the cyclic nature of solar and wind.

In addition, wildfires rage on while the forests are choked with biomass from stocking far in excess of the natural state from poor management practices/environmental "preservation." Much of that biomass could be burned in cogeneration plants to produce heat and electricity. Even pellets could be produced for smaller scale commercial and household use.

There are also many geothermal sites that were proven and ready to go that were halted because of some special interest group's concerns.

It is not like sources were unavailable, the just didn't fit the Green goals of the globalists/enviro-nazis.

YES!

I was there, BTDT!

Huge potential of vary environmentally clean geo power systems!. And I have land near the hot springs next to one of the lakes they are taking out.

Also since the forest are so mis-managed and are now dead and dieing with thrash and dead fall, it's a loaded kindling pile waiting for a spark from the 50 year old power lines that use to go threw well managed forest that sparks never had a chance to get out of control.

California has had dryer droughts and hotter summers before and this was not a problem.

This is a man made problem!
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
Nuclear power clean green a little pricey but dependable. Back in the late 70s to early 2000s I worked at several nuclear power stations. Even then I could see we need 50 more plants. Now we need 100. But NO nobody would listen back then. All the government could do is make them more expensive. But even at 6 billion a unit nobody would be seeing rolling blackouts. I said all that to say " I just don't give a shit about California's electrical situation.".
 

fish hook

Deceased
i, i, i, i, i....

um.......

did he have a stroke?

mebbe heat stroke....

is he high?
entirely possible.

or is it just that so many of the failed policies that have held their citizens hostage are all starting to impact harder at the same time, and they have either started to really kick up a fuss in ways that will actually make dems lives a little harder oooorrr.....too many people have just left the state?
I think not enough people have left the state.If more people and industries left that would leave enough electrical power AND water for everyone else.OH,i have an idea,all the Americans leave,the illegals don't use near as much air conditioning.
 

Esto Perpetua

Veteran Member
Why is he coming clean now?

Something has changed in a large way for him to deviate from the liberal party line.

Are people waking up and realizing that this tree-hugging crap don't work and it was a ruse to snatch their dollars?

Usually, it's money. Is he angling for some federal money to build power plants...that will never get built? Kinda like the train.

Have the neighboring states who supply California's power reached a point where they need the excess?

This will be interesting to watch, as it develops.
Maybe the Gruesome/Pelousy/Brown/Getty cartel are going to be investing in new energy projects?
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I used to be on the board of the North Coast Resource Partnership and liaison to the Southern Oregon Clean Energy Alliance, (both comprised primarily of counties.) Tidal was proposed along the N. coast of CA in several places and was deep sixed because of environmental concerns. Every time a likely spot was identified, the Obama Administration would create some marine reserve to counter it.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I mean as one additional alternative to adding to things already being done - if it works.

Tidal power has been used in Ireland in some forms since the 10th century, now the only way to make it (or most forms of "alternative" energy work is extreme battery storage which as far as I know, does not exist yet.

My point really was that I refused to accept that a civilization that can go from barely flying bicycles to the Moon in 60 years SHOULD be able to figure out new forms of energy (including high tech ones) that don't use the same power sources for over 100 years.

Once I again, extremes in either direction are not a good idea, I am old enough to remember rivers that caught on fire and searing lungs during high air pollution days in both Denver and Southern California (for similar reasons but different times of years).

I can also remember swimming in water with blobs of oil in it and playing on beaches covered with the stuff - those beaches eventually had to be totally removed and the sand replaced as "bio-hazards" decades later (Avila Beach, CA).

On the other hand, I'm not against admitting reality either - at the moment the infrastructure is set up to use fossil fuels as a primary source and you can also get terrible pollution in some places by burning old fashioned coal and wood (which we use ourselves to keep warm, there are not a lot of options where we are).

What bothers me is this keeps being presented as an either/or - either we just keep using the same 100 plus-year-old technology until some places are so contaminated that humans can't live there OR we pretend that a few wind towers and solar panel farms can provide all the power needed for a place the size of California.

It is the same either/or with atomic power - either we just ignore any of the dangers and just pretend everything is just fine (until the next Fukashima or Crynobel) or we must ban every sort of nuclear power plant and not even try to figure out newer ways of building them that are safer (and perhaps use newer forms of the technology?).

The same either/or with hydro-electric ...

I'll stop now, but you get the idea - and I still maintain that there are likely plenty of inventions that would provide at least SOME power and SOME ways of powering machinery, cars, electronics, etc that could be used as a basis for whole new ways of doing things; but they have been bought off and buried.

Sort of like Los Angeles has a great public transit system when my Mother was a young girl, only it was intentionally bought up and dismantled for scrap in the 1950s by various interest groups with ties to highway building and the petroleum industry.
Sort of like Los Angeles has a great public transit system when my Mother was a young girl, only it was intentionally bought up and dismantled for scrap in the 1950s by various interest groups with ties to highway building and the petroleum industry.

Those companies in Detroit that built autos also had a hand in it. In fact, maybe the major hand.
 

connie

Veteran Member
Excel energy is starting the forced solar here in SE NM. We are part of Permian Basin oilfield with plentiful natural gas. Our bills will rise dramatically - costs are being passed on to consumers. Liberal greenies in North part of state probably happy.
Common sense is dead. It's all about the agenda now.
 
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