HEALTH Homeopathy... it *shouldnt* work, so explain this!

summerthyme

Administrator
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Ok, so... brief synopsis. Homeopathy is a system of healing where *minute* (literally indetectable) amounts of a substance diluted in distilled water are used to treat symptoms. The substance chosen is one which, if given full strength, would cause the symptoms which you are trying to cure. I'll let those who are interested research how the various remedies are made, as well as the extreme complexity practitioners get into in choosing the correct remedy(s)

Anyway, I've always been hugely skeptical (and honestly, still am), especially when I discovered that certain recommended remedies actually break the rules. Arnica is an herb which is very effective applied topically to bruises and sprain type injuries... yet it is also recommended homeopathically for bruises and sprains. Hmmm.... doesn't make sense.

Anyway, Dixie (our English Shepherd) has always had hormone issues. As I've mentioned before, she develops a false pregnancy after each heat cycle, and while it was cute the time it caused her to adopt and raise an orphan litter of kittens, in general, it's a PITA... she's clingy, whiny, agitated and a miserable bitch for a month or longer every time. I discovered that homeopathic pulsatilla literally ends her symptoms within about 3 days. It sounds nuts, but whatever.

(My "double blind study" on this was when I started giving it to her a couple days after her symptoms started, but didn't mention it to anyone. Hubby came up to me 3 days later and said, "what's with Dixie? She's acting sane again!"... but he had no idea I'd been trying anything. And yes, I know that wasn't close to a true double-blind)

So.... this summer, the dogs have been itching more than usual, but Dixie has been absolutely awful. She's scratching and chewing at herself 20 hours a day... keeping us up at night, and clearly miserable. We tried baths, ivermectin, antihistamines and steroids. Changed food. Nothing helped. She doesn't have fleas (I haven't seen a flea since last July (2019), and that was the first time I'd seen one in 4 years). Her skin, except where she's digging at it, looks fine.

The vet had no answers except more steroids.

So... the other day, I got a wild hair and thought "I wonder if some homeopathic remedy might help?" My first thought was rhus tox... poison ivy. I did some research, and it's way down on the list of remedies to try, but well... it was the only one I had on hand, and my gut DID suggest it. I've learned to listen to my gut!

So, I gave her 3 tiny sugar pillules of homeopathic poison ivy. Honestly, I didn't expect a thing. But that night, I skipped giving her the antihistamine, figuring that when she woke us up scratching, I'd give it to her then.

She slept through the night, for the first time in 4 months!

I repeated the dose 3 days in a row. I haven't seen her scratch once since!

This is obviously a VERY simplified explanation of homeopathy, and I'll admit, if there is something which I can treat with Western medicine (even though I'll use herbs or alternatives preferentially when possible, my philosophy is still a variant of Western medical thought... I DO differ in that I prefer to address, where possible, the root causes of a problem, rather than just- for example- treating high blood pressure), I'll go that route.

But I'm finding it harder and harder to dismiss homeopathy entirely. Even if I can't begin to explain how it works!

Summerthyme
 

Wildwood

Veteran Member
Ok, so... brief synopsis. Homeopathy is a system of healing where *minute* (literally indetectable) amounts of a substance diluted in distilled water are used to treat symptoms. The substance chosen is one which, if given full strength, would cause the symptoms which you are trying to cure. I'll let those who are interested research how the various remedies are made, as well as the extreme complexity practitioners get into in choosing the correct remedy(s)

Anyway, I've always been hugely skeptical (and honestly, still am), especially when I discovered that certain recommended remedies actually break the rules. Arnica is an herb which is very effective applied topically to bruises and sprain type injuries... yet it is also recommended homeopathically for bruises and sprains. Hmmm.... doesn't make sense.

Anyway, Dixie (our English Shepherd) has always had hormone issues. As I've mentioned before, she develops a false pregnancy after each heat cycle, and while it was cute the time it caused her to adopt and raise an orphan litter of kittens, in general, it's a PITA... she's clingy, whiny, agitated and a miserable bitch for a month or longer every time. I discovered that homeopathic pulsatilla literally ends her symptoms within about 3 days. It sounds nuts, but whatever.

(My "double blind study" on this was when I started giving it to her a couple days after her symptoms started, but didn't mention it to anyone. Hubby came up to me 3 days later and said, "what's with Dixie? She's acting sane again!"... but he had no idea I'd been trying anything. And yes, I know that wasn't close to a true double-blind)

So.... this summer, the dogs have been itching more than usual, but Dixie has been absolutely awful. She's scratching and chewing at herself 20 hours a day... keeping us up at night, and clearly miserable. We tried baths, ivermectin, antihistamines and steroids. Changed food. Nothing helped. She doesn't have fleas (I haven't seen a flea since last July (2019), and that was the first time I'd seen one in 4 years). Her skin, except where she's digging at it, looks fine.

The vet had no answers except more steroids.

So... the other day, I got a wild hair and thought "I wonder if some homeopathic remedy might help?" My first thought was rhus tox... poison ivy. I did some research, and it's way down on the list of remedies to try, but well... it was the only one I had on hand, and my gut DID suggest it. I've learned to listen to my gut!

So, I gave her 3 tiny sugar pillules of homeopathic poison ivy. Honestly, I didn't expect a thing. But that night, I skipped giving her the antihistamine, figuring that when she woke us up scratching, I'd give it to her then.

She slept through the night, for the first time in 4 months!

I repeated the dose 3 days in a row. I haven't seen her scratch once since!

This is obviously a VERY simplified explanation of homeopathy, and I'll admit, if there is something which I can treat with Western medicine (even though I'll use herbs or alternatives preferentially when possible, my philosophy is still a variant of Western medical thought... I DO differ in that I prefer to address, where possible, the root causes of a problem, rather than just- for example- treating high blood pressure), I'll go that route.

But I'm finding it harder and harder to dismiss homeopathy entirely. Even if I can't begin to explain how it works!

Summerthyme
I have an elderly dog that does the same thing...did you make the rhus tox or buy it already made? If you bought it, would you mind sharing where and what brand? I found several on Amazon.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We take elderberry syrup everyday and some times more than once a day. It seems very effective against viruses. That is Homeopathy. I don't know what people use but I am sure the concept of what is now called homeopathy goes back a few thousand years. It is not a miricle pill but it still works. Yarrow is another plant that has wonderful healing powers. Green Tea among other type teas have been used successfully to treat many illnesses. I believe most of the modern drugs developed today have their foundations in the healing properties that are found in nature.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
We take elderberry syrup everyday and some times more than once a day. It seems very effective against viruses. That is Homeopathy. I don't know what people use but I am sure the concept of what is now called homeopathy goes back a few thousand years. It is not a miricle pill but it still works. Yarrow is another plant that has wonderful healing powers. Green Tea among other type teas have been used successfuly to treat many illnesses. I believe most of the modern drugs developed today have their foundations in the healing properties that are found in nature.
You are discussing Herbology, study of herbs.
For that to be homeopathic, you would take 3 drops of the tincture and dilute it in 10 liters of water
Then take 3 drops of the diluted tincture and dilute those 3 drops in another 10 liters of water.
That would be a homeopathic solution.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Yeah, elderberry and other herbs are often confused with homeopathy but aren't remotely the same.

As far as spontaneous remission... funny how it didn't happen her first 7 false pregnancies (all of which included concrete signs like milk production, and all of which lasted 4-7 weeks), but has occurred within 72 hours of giving her pulsatilla 5 times in a row.

I always thought one of the prime requirements to be a scientist was to have an open mind?

Summerthyme
 

subnet

Boot
Ok, so... brief synopsis. Homeopathy is a system of healing where *minute* (literally indetectable) amounts of a substance diluted in distilled water are used to treat symptoms. The substance chosen is one which, if given full strength, would cause the symptoms which you are trying to cure. I'll let those who are interested research how the various remedies are made, as well as the extreme complexity practitioners get into in choosing the correct remedy(s)

Anyway, I've always been hugely skeptical (and honestly, still am), especially when I discovered that certain recommended remedies actually break the rules. Arnica is an herb which is very effective applied topically to bruises and sprain type injuries... yet it is also recommended homeopathically for bruises and sprains. Hmmm.... doesn't make sense.

Anyway, Dixie (our English Shepherd) has always had hormone issues. As I've mentioned before, she develops a false pregnancy after each heat cycle, and while it was cute the time it caused her to adopt and raise an orphan litter of kittens, in general, it's a PITA... she's clingy, whiny, agitated and a miserable bitch for a month or longer every time. I discovered that homeopathic pulsatilla literally ends her symptoms within about 3 days. It sounds nuts, but whatever.

(My "double blind study" on this was when I started giving it to her a couple days after her symptoms started, but didn't mention it to anyone. Hubby came up to me 3 days later and said, "what's with Dixie? She's acting sane again!"... but he had no idea I'd been trying anything. And yes, I know that wasn't close to a true double-blind)

So.... this summer, the dogs have been itching more than usual, but Dixie has been absolutely awful. She's scratching and chewing at herself 20 hours a day... keeping us up at night, and clearly miserable. We tried baths, ivermectin, antihistamines and steroids. Changed food. Nothing helped. She doesn't have fleas (I haven't seen a flea since last July (2019), and that was the first time I'd seen one in 4 years). Her skin, except where she's digging at it, looks fine.

The vet had no answers except more steroids.

So... the other day, I got a wild hair and thought "I wonder if some homeopathic remedy might help?" My first thought was rhus tox... poison ivy. I did some research, and it's way down on the list of remedies to try, but well... it was the only one I had on hand, and my gut DID suggest it. I've learned to listen to my gut!

So, I gave her 3 tiny sugar pillules of homeopathic poison ivy. Honestly, I didn't expect a thing. But that night, I skipped giving her the antihistamine, figuring that when she woke us up scratching, I'd give it to her then.

She slept through the night, for the first time in 4 months!

I repeated the dose 3 days in a row. I haven't seen her scratch once since!

This is obviously a VERY simplified explanation of homeopathy, and I'll admit, if there is something which I can treat with Western medicine (even though I'll use herbs or alternatives preferentially when possible, my philosophy is still a variant of Western medical thought... I DO differ in that I prefer to address, where possible, the root causes of a problem, rather than just- for example- treating high blood pressure), I'll go that route.

But I'm finding it harder and harder to dismiss homeopathy entirely. Even if I can't begin to explain how it works!

Summerthyme
Its been around long enough to at least be considered or given a nod of respect imo like,
silver being added on bandages and meds now, due to antibiotic resistance seems to point at legitimacy.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Also... because of how homeopathy works (or how people think it works!) It's possible for a remedy to work on one person or pet and yet not on another with *seemingly* identical symptoms. Obviously, "itching" can be caused by many different things. Food allergies are real (as is an allergy to grass... I've seen a couple dogs and one horse (!!!) with severe grass allergies). You may need to experiment... as I said, rhus tox is way down the list of suggested remedies for itching in dogs. Google "homeopathic remedies for itching in dogs" and see if something clicks. Since I had rhus tox on hand, I tried it first.

Summerthyme
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
Years ago, I had strep throat.Nothing would touch it.
As a last resort I tried a homeopathic remedy by a company called native remedies.

After I took it, it started clearing up within 15 min.

Over the years I think their formulas have been watered down because of the effectiveness, but still viable.

My understanding is that the homeopathic remedy triggers the bodies immune system to fight whatever is ailing, but not having to receive a toxic dose to do so (allopathic medicine-aka vaccines, etc)

So, it seems to work and thats the best explanation I can come up with.

Another tool in the arsenal against bio warfare.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Uhm, Rob, part of my PERSONAL issue is that, if they "water down the formulas" they THEORETICALLY make them MORE effective.

I'm more of minimum therapeutic dosage guys who think that you need to get above some minimum therapeutic dosage to get a therapeutic result.

Which is why Sumerthyme, and Shockwave Rider and I have such interesting discussions! I'm the allopathic shill.
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
Uhm, Rob, part of my PERSONAL issue is that, if they "water down the formulas" they THEORETICALLY make them MORE effective.

I'm more of minimum therapeutic dosage guys who think that you need to get above some minimum therapeutic dosage to get a therapeutic result.

Which is why Sumerthyme, and Shockwave Rider and I have such interesting discussions! I'm the allopathic shill.

I look at it this away, whatever works and does the least amount of harm, even none, is my goto choice.

Thats why I steer towards natural remedies.

If I need a morphine shot for whatever emergency, so be it.

But short of that, I believe, if you give the body the tools to fight, it will.

God made some extremely sophisticated bodies that we inhabit. Glory to Him
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
We take elderberry syrup everyday and some times more than once a day. It seems very effective against viruses. That is Homeopathy.

I agree that it's highly effective! However, I would argue it's because of the chemical impact of the elderberries on some types of viruses. There are several articles in medical journals for doctors in Israel. It's regarded as an herbal remedy rather than a homeopathic one.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
If it sounds silly but it works, it isn't silly.

I pooh-poohed all of homeopathy at one time when I was in my early 20s, along with most (not all) herbal medicine. I'm now a lot older and know better. There are times when cures from nature are as good or better than what was made in a lab. In many cases, it's certainly much cheaper.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
i dont know why or how homeopathy works but its been very helpful to me over the years. thanks for the rhus tox idea for dogs chewing on leg, i didnt think of that one.
we usually use mostly herbal medicine for problems with good reliable results but there definitly is a place for homeopathics
 

smokin

Veteran Member
I apply arnica to bruises. Have used internal arnica as well after injuries or surgeries. Make sure you read the label. ( there is a topical cream and oil, also an internal liquid taken by drops. ) I feel it works.
 

gunnersmom

Veteran Member
We've used arnica for years, both the pellets for pre surgery and the gel for strains, sprains, and body pain. I've also had a lot of luck for the last eight years with causticum for my Maddie pup who developed an occasional sleeping "leak" after her spay.
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Lots of dogs are allergic to corn and it comes out as skin allergies. If corn is in the food, try switching to a dog food without it.

We use safflower oil for skin issues with our dogs. A tablespoon on their food, and they all like the taste of it.

I'm glad the homeopathic is working for now, but if it stops, look at allergies and nutrition for the itching. Working dogs especially (shepherds, etc) seem to be allergic to corn.
 

summerthyme

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We switched food, although we hadn't ever fed one with corn. Went to a "grain free" type... although more thsn half their diet is raw chicken or beef. And I've supplemented with flaxseed oil for years... her coat is gorgeous, and her skin actually looks really good.

I actually suspect her issue is hormonal, and we're going to get her spayed as she also has apparently started developing a pyometra. We gave up on breeding her after our last attempt in 2018 (at that point, I decided that even *if* it was possible to get her pregnant, it wasn't wise to possibly pass on her hormonal issues), but just haven't had the money to get her spayed. No choice, now...

Summerthyme
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Grain-free has issues, too. Possible heart-related problems down the road after long term use. A few bags here and there are fine, but nothing you want to do as a rule. The thing to look for is the good grains and not the bad grains.

Personally, I've decided sticking to a single dog food is probably not a good idea, so we cycle through three brands, all of which have been heavily researched.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Yep... I'm fairly comfortable with their diet, which essentially uses kibble as a supplement to raw meaty bones, eggs and cheese (homemade, from organic milk). And yes, I did remove various categories from her diet for awhile, to attempt to isolate an allergen.

My vet says he cringes when someone brings in a dog for excessive itching, and they don't have fleas or obvious mange. It can be such a difficult, expensive, and often futile endeavor. I'm sure most dogs with her history would just be living on steroids (with all the potential issues that entails). That's why I'm amazed and thrilled that 2 bucks worth of a homeopathic remedy seems to have solved it!

Summerthyme
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
So, because socialism has also been around a long time, it must work too.

It DOES work - for those at the top of the heap. :D Like Chicago does ...
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
So, because socialism has also been around a long time, it must work too.

It DOES work - for those at the top of the heap. :D Like Chicago does ...
So, only for a very, very few people, then, around the same percentage that have spontaneous remission. Got it.
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
Summerthyme, a little unclear about the method to dose. Did you give 3 pills at each dose for 3 days or did you give 1 pill per day for 3 days? Since this comes with 3 pills, I would think it is 1 pill/day for 3 days but want to make sure. I have a 60# Border Collie who has been driving me nuts! (Didn't have far to go anyway.) No fleas, no allergies in the past, etc., but licking his paws and legs incessantly. He has had a bath, has had Diatomaceous earth put on, anything I could think of. I'd like to try this if you have time to give more detail.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I gave 3 "pills" (actually tiny sugar balls) each night for 3 days. It was 30c strength. She wasn't happy about it, which was silly... but I just placed them on her tongue and held her mouth closed for a minute until they dissolved.

You can also dissolve them in a bit of distilled water and use an eye dropped, according to what I've read.

Summerthyme
 

kytom

escapee from reality
Ok, so... brief synopsis. Homeopathy is a system of healing where *minute* (literally indetectable) amounts of a substance diluted in distilled water are used to treat symptoms. The substance chosen is one which, if given full strength, would cause the symptoms which you are trying to cure. I'll let those who are interested research how the various remedies are made, as well as the extreme complexity practitioners get into in choosing the correct remedy(s)

Anyway, I've always been hugely skeptical (and honestly, still am), especially when I discovered that certain recommended remedies actually break the rules. Arnica is an herb which is very effective applied topically to bruises and sprain type injuries... yet it is also recommended homeopathically for bruises and sprains. Hmmm.... doesn't make sense.

Anyway, Dixie (our English Shepherd) has always had hormone issues. As I've mentioned before, she develops a false pregnancy after each heat cycle, and while it was cute the time it caused her to adopt and raise an orphan litter of kittens, in general, it's a PITA... she's clingy, whiny, agitated and a miserable bitch for a month or longer every time. I discovered that homeopathic pulsatilla literally ends her symptoms within about 3 days. It sounds nuts, but whatever.

(My "double blind study" on this was when I started giving it to her a couple days after her symptoms started, but didn't mention it to anyone. Hubby came up to me 3 days later and said, "what's with Dixie? She's acting sane again!"... but he had no idea I'd been trying anything. And yes, I know that wasn't close to a true double-blind)

So.... this summer, the dogs have been itching more than usual, but Dixie has been absolutely awful. She's scratching and chewing at herself 20 hours a day... keeping us up at night, and clearly miserable. We tried baths, ivermectin, antihistamines and steroids. Changed food. Nothing helped. She doesn't have fleas (I haven't seen a flea since last July (2019), and that was the first time I'd seen one in 4 years). Her skin, except where she's digging at it, looks fine.

The vet had no answers except more steroids.

So... the other day, I got a wild hair and thought "I wonder if some homeopathic remedy might help?" My first thought was rhus tox... poison ivy. I did some research, and it's way down on the list of remedies to try, but well... it was the only one I had on hand, and my gut DID suggest it. I've learned to listen to my gut!

So, I gave her 3 tiny sugar pillules of homeopathic poison ivy. Honestly, I didn't expect a thing. But that night, I skipped giving her the antihistamine, figuring that when she woke us up scratching, I'd give it to her then.

She slept through the night, for the first time in 4 months!

I repeated the dose 3 days in a row. I haven't seen her scratch once since!

This is obviously a VERY simplified explanation of homeopathy, and I'll admit, if there is something which I can treat with Western medicine (even though I'll use herbs or alternatives preferentially when possible, my philosophy is still a variant of Western medical thought... I DO differ in that I prefer to address, where possible, the root causes of a problem, rather than just- for example- treating high blood pressure), I'll go that route.

But I'm finding it harder and harder to dismiss homeopathy entirely. Even if I can't begin to explain how it works!

Summerthyme
lady ive learned so much from you over the years i dont know what to say except THANK YOU! you are a treasure!
 
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