BRKG Massive Explosion in Beirut

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Image at RT.

I guess it did leave a hole in the water.

Also, it looks like the explosion was in the building directly east of the silos, not the one SE.



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My God--it blew the land that "was" part of the port right out from UNDER the building that used to be there, allowing the waters of the bay to come in...
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Yes, it does reduce its efficacy as a component in making explosives. The AN must be completely dry when mixed with an accelerant (fuel oil, diesel, etc) to give it its maximum explosive power. Too, for it to be anywhere close to any of the other HE explosives it has to be packed in containers such as 55 gallon drums AND, as stated before, it must have a primary charge such as blasting cap/s to initiate the detonation.

Question would be why, if Lebanon is hurting for food, would the Lebanese hold that much AN in storage, why would they not distribute it out to farmers for use in producing food crops?
The ammonium nitrate has been there for 6 years. Repeated letters over the years from the port authority were sent to request the gov get rid of it. They were ignored, but copies of the letters were posted in the arab world newspapers.

In the Texas City explosion, there was no detonator, and the AN was not packed in drums.

Basically there are dozens of cases of ships, railroad cars and buildings storing AN exploding. No nefarious actions are required. Accidental negligence is most often the cause.

Ammonium nitrate disasters


When heated, ammonium nitrate decomposes non-explosively into gases of oxygen, nitrogen, and water vapor; however, it can be induced to decompose explosively by detonation into nitrous oxide and water vapor[1]. Large stockpiles of the material can be a major fire risk due to their supporting oxidation, and may also detonate, as happened in the Texas City disaster of 1947 which led to major changes in the regulations for storage and handling.
There are two major classes of incidents resulting in explosions:
  • In the first case, the explosion happens by the mechanism of shock to detonation transition. The initiation happens by an explosive charge going off in the mass, by the detonation of a shell thrown into the mass, or by detonation of an explosive mixture in contact with the mass. The examples are Kriewald, Morgan, Oppau, Tessenderlo, and Traskwood.
  • In the second case, the explosion results from a fire that spreads into the ammonium nitrate (AN) itself (Texas City, Brest, Tianjin, Beirut), or to a mixture of an ammonium nitrate with a combustible material during the fire. The fire must be confined at least to a degree for successful transition from a fire to an explosion (a phenomenon known as "deflagration to detonation transition", or DDT). Pure, compact AN is stable and very difficult to initiate. However, there are numerous cases when even impure AN did not explode in a fire.
Ammonium nitrate decomposes in temperatures above 210 °C (410 °F). Pure AN is stable and will stop decomposing once the heat source is removed, but when catalysts are present, the reaction can become self-sustaining (known as self-sustaining decomposition, or SSD). This is a well-known hazard with some types of NPK fertilizers and is responsible for the loss of several cargo ships.
Here is a link to 30 huge AN explosions
It's a large table but lists the amounts and conditions of the detonations.

Also here is the story of the Texas City explosion
The 1947 Texas City disaster was an industrial accident that occurred on April 16, 1947, in the Port of Texas City, Texas, at Galveston Bay. It was the deadliest industrial accident in U.S. history, and one of history's largest non-nuclear explosions. A mid-morning fire started on board the French-registered vessel SS Grandcamp (docked in the port), and detonated her cargo of about 2,300 tons (about 2,086 metric tons) of ammonium nitrate.[1] This started a chain reaction of fires and explosions in other ships and nearby oil-storage facilities, ultimately killing at least 581 people, including all but one member of the Texas City fire department.[2]

The disaster drew the first class action lawsuit against the United States government, on behalf of 8,485 victims, under the 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act.

Ships
The Grandcamp was a recently re-activated 437-foot-long (133 m) Liberty ship. Originally named the SS Benjamin R. Curtis in Los Angeles in 1942, the ship served in the Pacific theatre and was mothballed in Philadelphia after World War II.[3] In a Cold War gesture, the ship was assigned by the United States to the French Line to assist in the rebuilding of France, along with other efforts in Europe. Along with the ammonium nitrate—a very common cargo on the high seas—it was carrying small arms ammunition, machinery, and bales of sisal twine on the deck. Another ship in the harbor, the SS High Flyer, was docked about 600 feet (200 m) away from the SS Grandcamp. The High Flyer contained an additional 961 short tons (872 metric tons) of ammonium nitrate[1] and 1,800 short tons (1,600 metric tons) of sulfur. The ammonium nitrate in the two ships and fertilizer in the adjacent warehouse was intended for export to farmers in Europe. The Grandcamp had arrived from Houston, where the port authority did not permit loading of ammonium nitrate.

Explosions
The ammonium nitrate, needed either as fertilizer or an explosive, was manufactured in Nebraska and Iowa and shipped to Texas City by rail before being loaded on the Grandcamp.[4] It was manufactured in a patented process, mixed with clay, petrolatum, rosin and paraffin wax to avoid moisture caking. It was packaged in paper sacks, then transported and stored at higher temperatures that increased its chemical activity. Longshoremen reported the bags were warm to the touch before loading.

On April 16, 1947, around 8:00 a.m. smoke was spotted in the cargo hold of the Grandcamp while she was still moored. Over the next hour, attempts to extinguish the fire or bring it under control failed as a red glow returned after each effort to douse the fire.

Shortly before 9:00 a.m., the captain ordered his men to steam the hold, a firefighting method where steam is piped in to extinguish fires, in order to preserve the cargo. This was unlikely to be effective, as ammonium nitrate produces its own oxygen, thus neutralizing the extinguishing properties of steam. The steam may have contributed to the fire by converting the ammonium nitrate to nitrous oxide, while augmenting the already intense heat in the ship's hold.[5]

The fire attracted spectators along the shoreline, who believed they were at a safe distance.[6] Eventually, the steam pressure inside the ship blew the hatches open, and yellow-orange smoke billowed out. This color is typical for nitrogen dioxide fumes.[1] The unusual color of the smoke attracted more spectators. Spectators also noted that the water around the docked ship was boiling from the heat, and the splashing water touching the hull was being vaporized into steam. The cargo hold and deck began to bulge as the pressure of the steam increased inside.




This 2-ton anchor was thrown more than 1.6 miles when the Grandcamp exploded

At 9:12 a.m., the ammonium nitrate reached an explosive threshold from the combination of heat and pressure.[7] The vessel detonated, causing great destruction and damage throughout the port. The tremendous blast produced a 15-foot (4.5 m) wave that was detectable nearly 100 miles (160 km) from the Texas shoreline. The blast leveled nearly 1,000 buildings on land. The Grandcamp explosion destroyed the Monsanto Chemical Company plant and resulted in ignition of refineries and chemical tanks on the waterfront. Falling bales of burning twine from the ship's cargo added to the damage, and the Grandcamp's anchor was hurled across the city. Two sightseeing airplanes flying nearby were blown out of the sky,[8] while 10 miles (16 km) away, half of the windows in Galveston were shattered.[9] The explosion blew almost 6,350 short tons (5,760 metric tons) of the ship's steel into the air, some at supersonic speed. Official casualty estimates came to a total of 567, including all the crewmen who remained aboard the Grandcamp. All but one member of the 28-man Texas City volunteer fire department were killed in the initial explosion on the docks while fighting the shipboard fire. With fires raging throughout Texas City, first responders from other areas were initially unable to reach the site of the disaster.

The first explosion ignited ammonium nitrate in the nearby cargo ship High Flyer. The crews spent hours attempting to cut the High Flyer free from her anchor and other obstacles, in order to move her, without success. After smoke had been pouring from the hold for over 5 hours, and about 15 hours after the explosions aboard the Grandcamp, the High Flyer exploded, demolishing the nearby SS Wilson B. Keene, killing at least two more people and increasing the damage to the port and other ships with more shrapnel and burning material. One of the propellers on the High Flyer was blown off and subsequently found nearly a mile inland. It is now part of a memorial park and is located near the anchor of the Grandcamp. The propeller is cracked in several places, and one blade has a large piece missing.

The cause of the initial fire on board the Grandcamp was never determined. It may have been started by a cigarette discarded the previous day, meaning the ship's cargo had been smouldering throughout the night when the fire was discovered on the morning of the day of the explosion.[1]

Scale of the disaster


A five-story rubber factory beside slip #1

The Texas City disaster is generally considered the worst industrial accident in American history. Witnesses compared the scene to the fairly recent images of the 1943 air raid on Bari and the much larger devastation after the atom bomb was dropped at Nagasaki. Of the dead, 405 were identified and 63 have never been identified. The latter remains were placed in a memorial cemetery in the north part of Texas City near Moses Lake. An additional 113 people were classified as missing, for no identifiable parts were ever found. This figure includes firefighters who were aboard Grandcamp when she exploded. There is some speculation that there may have been hundreds more killed but uncounted, including visiting seamen, non-census laborers and their families, and an untold number of travelers. But there were also some survivors among people as close as 70 feet (21 m) from the dock. The victims' bodies quickly filled the local morgue. Several bodies were laid out in the local high school's gymnasium for identification by family or friends.




Parking lot 1⁄4 mile (400 m) away from the explosion

More than 5,000 people were injured, with 1,784 admitted to 21 area hospitals. More than 500 homes were destroyed and hundreds damaged, leaving 2,000 homeless. The seaport was destroyed, and many businesses were flattened or burned. Over 1,100 vehicles were damaged and 362 freight cars were obliterated; the property damage was estimated at $100 million[10] (equivalent to $1.1 billion in 2019).

A 2-short-ton (1.8-metric-ton) anchor of Grandcamp was hurled 1.62 miles (2.61 km) and found in a 10-foot (3 m) crater. It was installed at a memorial park. The other main 5-short-ton (4.5-metric-ton) anchor was hurled 1⁄2 mile (800 m) to the entrance of the Texas City Dike. It rests on a "Texas-shaped" memorial at the entrance. Burning wreckage ignited everything within miles, including dozens of oil storage tanks and chemical tanks. The nearby city of Galveston, Texas, was covered with an oily fog that left deposits over every exposed outdoor surface.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Ammonium nitrite. From 2013?
Really.
Don't know if it has been addressed already or not... Over the course of seven years, the AN in the bags likely would have been breaking down into solid bag-shaped blocks of AN. As a result, getting ALL of it to go High Order would have been easier than getting bags of loose pellets to go-off like that. The Third-Word neglect probably made things much worse, as they essentially made a giant warehouse-shaped block of explosive.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Let's drop the radiation thing unless somebody can find an actual link to any real data.

Referring to unsourced "reports" is just a distraction on a busy thread.

Take the nuke angle to ALT.
Agreed. There are way too many digital videos from small hand held phones during and after this explosion for this to be 'nuclear' due to the electro magnetic pulse that would fry the electronics in such close proximity.
 

Trouble

Veteran Member
Sorry if this sounds just too Goody Two Shoes. Some are willing to kiss off a few thousand or million deaths of hapless civilians because their leaders are our opponents. This is somewhere between chilling and psychopathic. I recognize that a group hug and singing Kumbaya isn't going to save anyone, but for God's sake try to enjoy it less.
Called realistic, they relish in our misery. This is the kind of attitude that will lose us the coming conflict. People these days make me shake my head. An enemy is an enemy whether they wear a uniform or not, it wasnt their leaders dancing in the streets on 9/11.
It was the worthless population. We are doomed, whiney women and weak men.
 

Switchback

Veteran Member
Word is the warhead did not detonate "correctly" because it was not set off in the usual fashion. Only partial critical mass before the reaction petered out. So, who knows. Maybe more people will be reporting the findings as time goes on.
What are the odds of the radiation increase down wind.

Maybe it's related, maybe it's not. Time will tell. radmon.org - global radiation monitoring map and community for geiger counter enthusiasts

Is this source good enough?
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Told ya.


It says normal for Lebanon, and alert for what looks like Sicily.

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Melodi

Disaster Cat
Called realistic, they relish in our misery. This is the kind of attitude that will lose us the coming conflict. People these days make me shake my head. An enemy is an enemy whether they wear a uniform or not, it wasnt their leaders dancing in the streets on 9/11.
It was the worthless population. We are doomed, whiney women and weak men.
Again, the major area affected was the Christian Quarter/area, I don't think THEY were dancing in the Streets during 9/11 and they have always been (as a community) pretty friendly to the US.

A lot of Syrian Christians live in exile in the US (brought in as legal refugees or on work visas in the 1980s) my parents had friends in that diaspora.

George Norey that does Coast To Coast now also still has family there and his family is also from that community.

Not to mention we have one member here whose DAUGHTER lives there and another with a father who lives somewhere in the country but I am not sure where.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Sorry if this sounds just too Goody Two Shoes. Some are willing to kiss off a few thousand or million deaths of hapless civilians because their leaders are our opponents. This is somewhere between chilling and psychopathic. I recognize that a group hug and singing Kumbaya isn't going to save anyone, but for God's sake try to enjoy it less.

I personally hate that innocents died or are otherwise placed in any number of horrible, likely lifelong tragedies. That being said, if there was a major weapons factory in operation in the middle of Beirut, it's a legitimate target. No, we don't have to relish the deaths, but we can be glad the threat was removed.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I can accept that Searcher but that is different from people expressing glee about people they claim danced in the street on 9/11...one is a military decision and "collateral damage" (I hate the term by the way) but the other is just ignorance and a total lack of empathy.
 

Switchback

Veteran Member
Depends on wind direction no?
The normal is in Israel, not Leb.

Shane even said perpendicular and up wind to the fallout cloud is the safe areas to be.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Word is the warhead did not detonate "correctly" because it was not set off in the usual fashion. Only partial critical mass before the reaction petered out. So, who knows. Maybe more people will be reporting the findings as time goes on.
What are the odds of the radiation increase down wind.

Maybe it's related, maybe it's not. Time will tell. radmon.org - global radiation monitoring map and community for geiger counter enthusiasts

Is this source good enough?
Word is this was not a nuclear detonation...
 

Rastech

Veteran Member
Seems there was a fire next to a Warehouse the Firebrigade were sent to attend, the Warehouse apparently had 2,750 tons of Ammonium Nitrate Fertiliser in it, and the poor guys in the Fire brigade didn’t have a clue what was in the buildings they were going to Regulations and documentation in a Country no better than Venezuela in the Corruption and lawlessness stakes, they were so lax as to essentially not exist at all ☹️
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Word is the warhead did not detonate "correctly" because it was not set off in the usual fashion. Only partial critical mass before the reaction petered out. So, who knows. Maybe more people will be reporting the findings as time goes on.
What are the odds of the radiation increase down wind.

Maybe it's related, maybe it's not. Time will tell. radmon.org - global radiation monitoring map and community for geiger counter enthusiasts

Is this source good enough?

-Who- is saying the "warhead" did not reach full criticality. Source?

Plus the rad map shows normal readings for almost all areas.

Plus there are no monitoring sites in Lebanon or Syria.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There are several live RAD sites out there.

Part of research is learning how to ask the right question.

If I knew which ones were trustworthy, I would have already been there. I can ask the right question: Can anyone provide such a link? Thanks.
 

Switchback

Veteran Member
-Who- is saying the "warhead" did not reach full criticality. Source?

Plus the rad map shows normal readings for almost all areas.

Plus there are no monitoring sites in Lebanon or Syria.

The same guy who told me that north korea was testing first stage of nuclear detonations (fusion) a while back while everyone here said that north korea did not yet have the tech. Everyone here said the bombs were "duds" when in fact they were first stages and not duds. I'm just passing this on, Ok? People need to relax.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think taking this to Alt is a good idea. Throw it against the wall and see what sticks. When it does, bring it back here. Unless they invented a nuke that doesn't kill cell phones, I am tending to believe normal explosion. I will look at the link to the rad monitors.
 

Raffy

Veteran Member
I think it was Pakyderm's wife and I who picked apart a video from yesterday and we could see one or two things headed in. Now this. It's really really fast, but watch:

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Wow. Not to be too much of a skeptic, but how do we know that this is not a photoshopped fake video?? I did watch the video as opposed to just the still shot supposedly taken from it. If this video is real, it sure would change the narrative we've been told so far of this being just a large amount of ammonium nitrate that got detonated from a fire.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!



Beirut explosion reportedly caused by fertilizer seized from Russian businessman
By Lee Brown

3-4 minutes



The 2,700 tons of fertilizer believed to have caused the explosion that devastated Beirut had been confiscated from a Russian businessman — who “abandoned” his cargo ship after an unscheduled stop, according to reports.

Officials revealed Tuesday that the blast that killed at least 100 — and left up to 300,000 homeless — appeared to have been sparked by ammonium nitrate stored in a warehouse since it was confiscated in 2014.

There were repeated warnings on the dangers of storing it — including one that it could “blow up all of Beirut” — but “nothing was done,” official sources told Reuters, calling it “negligence.”

The timeline and size of the cargo suggest it was taken from the MV Rhosus, according to the Associated Press, as well as Lebanon’s LBCI, citing sources at a Supreme Defense Council meeting.

The Rhosus is owned by Igor Grechushkin, a Russian national who now lives in Cyprus, according to the Moscow Times.

It had been traveling from Georgia to Mozambique in 2013 when it experienced an apparent malfunction and made an unscheduled stop in Beirut, the reports said.

Grechushkin then declared bankruptcy — and “abandoned” the ship in Lebanon, leaving its crew stranded on the vessel for months before the ammonium nitrate could be offloaded, the Moscow Times said.

The ammonium nitrate had been stored in a warehouse in the port of Beirut since then, the outlet said.

“Owing to the risks associated with retaining the ammonium nitrate on board the vessel, the port authorities discharged the cargo onto the port’s warehouses,” lawyers involved in the case previously wrote, according to the AP.

“The vessel and cargo remain to date in port awaiting auctioning and/or proper disposal,” the lawyers said in the 2015 article.

Grechushkin does not appear to have addressed the link, reports said.

It also remains unclear what conditions the ammonium nitrate had been stored in — or why tons of an explosive chemical compound had been left there for years, AP noted.

“It is negligence,” an official source told Reuters, adding that the storage safety issue had been before several committees and judges and “nothing was done” in terms of issuing an order to remove or dispose of the highly combustible material.

A fire had started at warehouse 9 of the port and spread to warehouse 12, where the ammonium nitrate was stored, the official said.

Badri Daher, director general of Lebanese customs, told broadcaster LBCI on Wednesday that customs had sent six documents to the judiciary warning that the material posed a danger.

“We requested that it be re-exported but that did not happen. We leave it to the experts and those concerned to determine why,” Daher said.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Wow. Not to be too much of a skeptic, but how do we know that this is not a photoshopped fake video?? I did watch the video as opposed to just the still shot supposedly taken from it. If this video is real, it sure would change the narrative we've been told so far of this being just a large amount of ammonium nitrate that got detonated from a fire.

Did you go to the link and watch the video, full screen, frame by frame? If not then you should.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Wow. Not to be too much of a skeptic, but how do we know that this is not a photoshopped fake video?? I did watch the video as opposed to just the still shot supposedly taken from it. If this video is real, it sure would change the narrative we've been told so far of this being just a large amount of ammonium nitrate that got detonated from a fire.
It has to be real because if you zoom in, you can see Slim Pickens riding 'er in.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Because it didn't show up in the original video, or any of the other millions of videos.

Interesting that you've seen a million videos so far, I've only seen about 30 or so videos and they were from different locations, about half of those show an incoming missile and that missile was shot up from one of the surrounding neighborhoods.
 
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