BRKG Massive Explosion in Beirut

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Now we get a glimpse of what Damascus will look like when it becomes a "ruinous heap." :shk:

"Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap." -Isaiah 17:1
Not even close to an actual NuDet.
This explosion was bigger than the MOAB dropped near Bin Laden's caves but no where near an actual nuke. The area of total building destruction was minimal compared to Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The suffering will be far less than even a small nuke would cause.

However with the situation going like it is in the Middle East, it won't be long before we get to see an actual example of a nuke detonating in a Middle Eastern city. Then people will have something to ponder.
This was around a kiloton with no nuclear side effects. Wait to a 40kt goes off with all the special nuclear side effects over an arab city.
Sooner or later one of the crazy bastards will do it.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
ya'll know that facts do not matter right?
we live in a world where everything is relative and interpreted through the feelz of the lowest common denominator.
and the lowest common denominator in Lebanon is the Muslim Cleric.
Understanding this, the experts will conclude that it was nuclear and it was the jews.
because it could not be sheer Islamic Arab stupidity
 

jward

passin' thru
uh oh, Not even lunch and Tyler's already fed up with us :eek:

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The internet can make smart people way smarter and stupid people way stupider. It's an amazing albeit startling nexus of human nature.
The whole Beirut was a nuke idiot fest: We live in an era where unlimited info and learning potential is at one's fingertips, but also totally unsubstantiated & implausible rumors & sensational claims can rule the day. Like the entire world is now a middle school gossip circle...
People are so lonely and desperate for conversation, they comment all day on articles on complex subjects they didn't even skim. They just want to give an opinion regardless of it is absolutely worthless or even outright misleading. It's an amazingly low standard to exist within.
I know complaining about the internet is a fool's errand, but every damn day I am baffled with what I see. The whole mainstreaming of conspiracy theory has just poured gasoline onto an already smoldering fire. It's hip to believe what isn't true is true in ever-growing circles. \
"It's a mushroom cloud! It's a nuke!" This shit was coming from people with influence who have no clue what they are looking at. Ever seen an ammo dump blow up? Or a chem plant? Yeah, mushroom clouds don't solely exist in the atomic weapons universe! You can learn that in seconds \


But instead, "**** it, this will get retweets!" is the name of the game and people eat it up. It's not commenting on a football play, you are saying a nuclear weapon just detonated in a major city with reckless abandon. ****ing insanity.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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We live in an era where unlimited info and learning potential is at one's fingertips, but also totally unsubstantiated & implausible rumors & sensational claims can rule the day.

If you can ask the right questions.

Only a very few have enough snap to actually start looking for knowledge.

Most internet searches will take you to articles that promulgate the stupidity on any given topic.
 

jward

passin' thru
Lebanon putting some Beirut port officials on house arrest
By BASSEM MROUE and ZEINA KARAM6 minutes ago




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A drone picture shows the scene of an explosion at the seaport of Beirut, Lebanon, Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2020. A massive explosion rocked Beirut on Tuesday, flattening much of the city's port, damaging buildings across the capital and sending a giant mushroom cloud into the sky. More than 70 people were killed and 3,000 injured, with bodies buried in the rubble, officials said. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)


BEIRUT (AP) — The Lebanese government says it is putting an unspecified number of Beirut port officials under house arrest pending an investigation into how 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate came to be stored at the port for years.
The move comes amid speculation that negligence was to blame for the explosion that killed more than 100 people.
It was announced following a Cabinet meeting Wednesday during which the government declared a two-week “state of emergency,” effectively giving the military full powers during this time.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. The following is AP’s earlier story.
Residents of Beirut confronted a scene of utter devastation Wednesday, a day after a massive explosion at the port rippled across the Lebanese capital, killing at least 100 people, wounding thousands and leaving entire city blocks blanketed with glass and rubble.
Smoke still rose from the port, where a towering building of silos was half destroyed, spilling out grain. Hangars around it were completely toppled. The blast knocked out a crater some 200 meters (yards) across that filled with seawater — it was as if the sea had taken a bite out of the port, swallowing buildings with it.
Much of downtown was littered with damaged vehicles and debris that had rained down from the shattered facades of buildings.
An official with the Lebanese Red Cross said at least 100 people were killed and more than 4,000 were wounded. George Kettaneh said the toll could rise further.

The blast appeared to have been triggered by a fire that touched off a cargo of ammonium nitrate that had been stored at the port for years, though it was unclear what sparked the fire. Hitting with the force of an earthquake, it was the most powerful explosion ever seen in the city, which was split in half by the 1975-1990 civil war and has endured conflicts with neighboring Israel and periodic bombings and terror attacks.
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Scores of people were missing, with relatives pleading on social media for help locating loved ones. An Instagram page called “Locating Victims Beirut” sprang up with photos of missing, and radio presenters read names of missing or wounded people throughout the night. Many residents moved in with friends or relatives after their apartments were damaged and treated their own injuries because hospitals were overwhelmed.
Lebanon was already on the brink of collapse amid a severe economic crisis, and its capacity to deal with the disaster is crippled. With buildings severely damaged, potentially large numbers are now homeless at a time when many have lost their jobs and seen their savings evaporate because of a currency crisis. Food security is a worry, since Lebanon imports nearly all its vital goods and its main port is devastated.
The health system is confronting a coronavirus surge, and there were concerns the virus could spread further as people flooded into hospitals.
Even as politicians vowed to help Lebanese recover, the government is strapped for cash, and the disaster threatens to further stoke public fury in a country that saw mass protests in recent months.
Full coverage of the explosion: Lebanon
There was no evidence the explosion was an attack. Instead, many Lebanese blamed it on decades of corruption and poor governance by the entrenched political class that has ruled the tiny Mediterranean country since the civil war.
Saint George University Hospital, one of the major private hospitals in Beirut which had been receiving COVID-19 patients, was out of commission Wednesday after suffering major damage. Patients were evacuated to a nearby field for primary care while staff worked on sending them to other facilities, Dr. Kamal Haddad said. Another doctor, Emile, said 16 staff and patients, including four nurses, were killed in the blast. He declined to give his last name out of privacy concerns.
The blast also wounded a number of U.N. peacekeepers at the port, including 21 Bangladeshis and one Italian. Two Egyptians and an Australian citizen were known to be among the dead.

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Interior Minister Mohammed Fahmi told a local TV station that it appeared the blast was caused by the detonation of more than 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate stored in a warehouse ever since it was confiscated from a cargo ship impounded in 2013.

Explosives experts and video footage suggested the ammonium nitrate may have been ignited by a fire at what appeared to be a nearby warehouse containing fireworks.

Ammonium nitrate is a common ingredient in fertilizer as well as explosives. It was used in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, when a truck bomb containing 2,180 kilograms (4,800 pounds) of fertilizer and fuel oil ripped through a federal building, killing 168 people and wounding hundreds more.

Security forces cordoned off the port area Wednesday as a bulldozer helped clear away debris. A young man begged troops to allow him to enter and search for his missing father. He was directed to a port official who wrote down his details.

In Beirut’s hard-hit Achrafieh district, civil defense workers and soldiers worked on locating missing people and clearing rubble. At least one man was still pinned under stones from an old building that had collapsed. Volunteers hooked him up to an oxygen tank to help him breathe while others tried to free his leg.

“There are no words to describe the catastrophe that hit Beirut last night,” President Michel Aoun said at a Cabinet meeting Wednesday. He vowed an investigation and that those responsible will be punished.

Aoun and Prime Minister Hassan Diab said the government will help find shelter for those who lost their homes and compensate others whose property was damaged.

Diab, in a short televised speech, appealed for international aid, saying: “We are witnessing a real catastrophe.”

There were signs of public anger already brewing.

Former Prime Minister Saad Hariri visited the grave of his late father who was killed in a suicide truck bomb in February 2005, telling reporters, “They killed Beirut yesterday.” After he left, protesters chanted slogans against Lebanon’s entire political class, including Hariri, and fistfights broke out between his supporters and protesters. Hariri resigned in October amid nationwide protests.

The government sought to reassure fears over the food supply, a top concern in a country where some 80% of the wheat is imported and which is also hosting over 1 million Syrians displaced by civil war there.

Drone footage shot Wednesday by The Associated Press showed the blast tore open the silo building, dumping its contents into the debris and earth thrown up by the blast. Estimates suggest some 85% of the country’s grain was stored at the now-wrecked silos.

Economy and Trade Minister Raoul Nehme said all the wheat stored there was contaminated and unusable. But he insisted Lebanon had enough wheat for its immediate needs and would import more, according to the state news agency.

Several countries have pledged aid, with even Israel offering humanitarian assistance. The two countries have been in conflict for decades, and Israel fought a 2006 war with the Hezbollah militant group.

Lebanon’s economic crisis is rooted in decades of systemic corruption by political factions that exploit public institutions for the benefit of their supporters. Decades after the civil war, residents endure frequent power outages and poor public services.

French President Emmanuel Macron was to traveling to Beirut on Thursday to offer support and meet with Lebanese leaders. Lebanon is a former French protectorate and the countries retain close political and economic ties.

Beirut’s port and the customs authority are notoriously corrupt. Like nearly all public institutions, they are controlled by political factions, including Hezbollah.

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Associated Press writers Sarah El Deeb and Hassan Ammar in Beirut, Jon Gambrell in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, and Joseph Krauss in Jerusalem contributed to this report.

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Melodi

Disaster Cat
A terrible (and huge detonation according to people who know about such things) does not have to be "a nuke" it also doesn't have to be only one thing.

There is absolutely no doubt, as far as I know, that a large catch of fertilizer and possibly explosives just demolished a harbor and large area of a major world city.

What is not known yet is if it was the ONLY cause of that explosion and I think what President Trump said indicates something/someone may have "helped" it along its way - it has to have been an open secret that the area was an "accident waiting to happen."

That sort of thing is a goldmine for bad people who want bad things to happen, just give it a little (or even a big) shove and these days you can be thousands of miles away and watch the "fun."
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I would like links to all these Rad Readings. Hopefully, from intelligent and trustworthy sources. If rad readings spiked, we need to talk about it. If this is BS, we need to slap it down. One or the other. I do not suffer fools lightly, and the net abounds with them. TB, for the most part, is an island of sanity in a sea of crazeee.

My mind and my eyes are open, civil discourse is welcomed. I would like not to have to go through three thousand pages of wrong in order to find one sentence of right. If there is even a hint that this was really nuclear- the stakes just got upped considerably. And we will get the pointy end.

Mornin' ya'll. It's a new day, let's make the most of it.
 

Ping Jockey

Inactive
When AN absorbs moisture, does it just reduce the efficacy of it as an explosive?

There were 3000ish tons of it there. If it was degraded by 75%, that's still 750 tons, effectively.

Still capable of a significant boom, in anybody's world.

Yes, it does reduce its efficacy as a component in making explosives. The AN must be completely dry when mixed with an accelerant (fuel oil, diesel, etc) to give it its maximum explosive power. Too, for it to be anywhere close to any of the other HE explosives it has to be packed in containers such as 55 gallon drums AND, as stated before, it must have a primary charge such as blasting cap/s to initiate the detonation.

Question would be why, if Lebanon is hurting for food, would the Lebanese hold that much AN in storage, why would they not distribute it out to farmers for use in producing food crops?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I would like links to all these Rad Readings. Hopefully, from intelligent and trustworthy sources. If rad readings spiked, we need to talk about it. If this is BS, we need to slap it down. One or the other. I do not suffer fools lightly, and the net abounds with them. TB, for the most part, is an island of sanity in a sea of crazeee.

My mind and my eyes are open, civil discourse is welcomed. I would like not to have to go through three thousand pages of wrong in order to find one sentence of right. If there is even a hint that this was really nuclear- the stakes just got upped considerably. And we will get the pointy end.

Mornin' ya'll. It's a new day, let's make the most of it.
Oh I agree, if there are RAD readings, everyone needs to know; I just haven't seen anything about them in public and I suspect someone in this day and age might have leaked it if they had.

This is also one of the first disasters of this type and magnitude I have seen where there is MASSIVE mobile phone video already out there, massive at least compared to most disasters and in record time.

During 9/11 the US media could refuse to show dying people falling from buildings and other "disturbing" stuff that was otherwise broadcast all over the world (for good or ill) but within minutes of this explosion, it was all over the net.

This thing seems to have had the sort of POWER one would associate with a smaller nuke (and possibly larger than just a building full of explosive fertilizer) but there are other types of weapons, bombs, situations that can do that.

Also, my housemate pointed out you have to factor in the cross-ignition that she noticed, within moments every gas main and oil storage tank was on fire (in her opinion) and she is trained to make that sort of educated guess.

That vastly increases the damage as well, fires, and more explosions everywhere for a least a few hours.

Edited to add: my housemate is not only an engineer she's a trained ambulance civil defense driver and they are trained to access situations like this where they might have to go in and try to rescue people. A mass causality event in Ireland of this size is unlikely but they still train for it.
 

jward

passin' thru
No doubt in my mind that it was AN. My question is, what set it off? Some internal faction -- I understand Lebanon is in economic and social shambles? Israel taking out a Hezbollah rocket building site? A freak accident due to a fire next door? What set off the AN storage site?
My working hypothesis is that with Iran urging Hezbollah to do some dirty work, Israel felt the time was right to give her answer- there does seem to be a theme of reducing munitions being carried out.

Those most familiar with Israels policies suggest any such plan has long been in the works and is being carried out independently of the current actions on the ground, though.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I would like links to all these Rad Readings. Hopefully, from intelligent and trustworthy sources. If rad readings spiked, we need to talk about it. If this is BS, we need to slap it down. One or the other. I do not suffer fools lightly, and the net abounds with them. TB, for the most part, is an island of sanity in a sea of crazeee.

My mind and my eyes are open, civil discourse is welcomed. I would like not to have to go through three thousand pages of wrong in order to find one sentence of right. If there is even a hint that this was really nuclear- the stakes just got upped considerably. And we will get the pointy end.

Mornin' ya'll. It's a new day, let's make the most of it.

There are several live RAD sites out there.

Part of research is learning how to ask the right question.
 

day late

money? whats that?
As a former grunt, I've seen and set off a few explosions. This one in Beirut is just odd. That white circular cloud that comes up looks SOMEWHAT like what can be seen during one of the early Bikini Atoll tests, found here;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1up-TRMxdo


But notice that the white cloud at Bikini doesn't completely dissipate like the one in Beirut. True the blast wall causes damage just like any other explosion. Like a nuke, the force travels further than an normal explosion, but clearly it's not as bad. Beirut is still there. There are reports of radiation in the area spiking, but whatever it was it's a new one on me.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
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No, that mushroom cloud in Beirut doesn't indicate a nuclear bomb went off
JEFF SCHOGOLUPDATED:AUG 4, 2020 4:37 PM EDTORIGINAL:AUG 4, 2020
Smoke rises after an explosion in Beirut, Lebanon


Smoke rises after an explosion in Beirut, Lebanon.
(Mikhail Alaeddin / Sputnik via Associated Press)
Amateur strategic arms control experts took to social media on Tuesday to proclaim that the massive explosion that rocked Beirut, Lebanon, closely resembled a nuclear blast.
At least 50 people were killed in the explosion and another 2,700 injured, according to Reuters, which cited Lebanon's health minister. Photos posted on Twitter showed extensive damage to Beirut, especially the city's economically vital port.
The main reason why some conspiracy-minded individuals are leaping to the conclusion that a nuke went off in Beirut is that explosion produced a classic mushroom cloud, which is familiar to anyone who as seen video or images of nuclear detonations.
One so-called website went as far as to claim that Israel had nuked a Hezbollah missile storage facility, but it admitted “our evaluation is guesswork" (an Israeli official told the BBC on condition of anonymity that “Israel has no connection” to the explosion in Beirut).

There are several things wrong with this theory. First, mushroom clouds are not unique to nuclear detonations. In fact, chemical explosions, such as the 2013 blast at a Texas fertilizer plant, can produce the same effect.
Second, experts do not believe Tuesday’s explosion was a nuclear detonation.
From outward appearances, Tuesday's blast does not appear to have been caused by a nuclear device, said Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists – someone who knows a thing or two about nuclear explosions.
“First, a nuclear explosion would be a lot more powerful and the cameraman would be gone,” Kristensen told Task & Purpose after viewing a video of the blast posted on Twitter. “Besides, I don’t see any bright radiation flash that you would get from a nuclear event. Having said that, it looks like a very powerful chemical or gas explosion.”
Ed Lyman, of the Union of Concerned Scientists, told Task & Purpose that he had not seen any elevated radiation levels or other indications that the explosion in Beirut was caused by a nuclear device –“and it would be hard to cover up,” he added.
“If this were a nuclear explosion there would be many other effects – high radiation levels being only one of them — that were not present,” Lyman said. “There would be reports of radiation injuries far from the blast site. But the initial explosion may have triggered a chemical explosion at the port, as the video suggests.”
In an eerie coincidence, Tuesday’s explosion comes just two days before the 75th anniversary of the U.S. military dropping the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
That white compression cloud is the result of micro water droplets that you can't see (-too small) in humid air, getting rapidly compressed (slammed) into each other to form water droplets that you can see. You can actually see the same thing off the wings of fighter jets as they pass through the sound barrier.....really cool and REALL LOUD!! While there is the imitation of a "mushroom cloud" from the rising heat from the explosion it is nothing like that dynamic fireball of a nuclear super heated (hotter than the surface of the sun) plasma bubble. Also it's rising too slowly when compared to a nuclear fireball which will reach altitudes of tens of thousands of feet in seconds and minutes.

But I will say....that was one HUGE Bada-BOOM!!

What I'd like to know....is why in the hell did they store something so highly volatile and dangerous for so long in a major port....freaking stupid!! And also who in the hell put something like extremely flammable like fireworks (or whatever) anywhere near the stored Ammonium nitrate? That is just beyond dumb arse stupid!

As an side they will be finding bodies without any external marks on them, but internally they will be essentially jellied from the concussion wave over pressure. That whole area is going to be a friggen mess to clean up. Very sad, very very sad. As if those folks don't have enough crap to deal with, now this.

Prayers for the innocent.
 

Switchback

Veteran Member
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The reports of the background radiation "spiking", if it in fact is, could be from all the concrete dust and or the materials, like the landfill at the harbor or trace material in the AN vaporized at the point of detonation.

The radiation spike news will come out. Someone is bound to report it soon. Increase detected in the med, somewhere near Italy I think. I heard counts went high and settled down some from the fallout, far from the blast area to the east.

Similar to the Russian missile incident and associated radiation jump not long ago. Remember that? We'll see.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That white compression cloud is the result of micro water droplets that you can't see (-too small) in humid air, getting rapidly compressed (slammed) into each other to form water droplets that you can see. You can actually see the same thing off the wings of fighter jets as they pass through the sound barrier.....really cool and REALL LOUD!!
Without the sound.....it kind of looks like that out my door most summer mornings.

100% humidity, 0 rain.

And if it did rain the night before....where's the car?

Totally not the same thing as happened there, only noting, I understand where you are coming from.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Another example that AN does NOT produce red smoke
Actually it does according to explosive experts. The nitric acid is further indication.
And any big explosion will produce a mushroom cloud.
The expanding white dome is also a result of blast pressure waves. The more humid the atmosphere the more vivid and dense the white expanding dome.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I read or heard, maybe on Sky TV that at least 250,000 were homeless; and while we can't compare apples and oranges, that is a lot more people directly made homeless (and injured) than on 9/11.

Again, I am not comparing the incident in any other way but it would be as if 9/11 had destroyed most of Manhatten and made a lot of it uninhabitable for years; and leaving most of the buildings too damaged to use.

Also, the air is so bad from chemicals and explosions that there is talk of evacuating the entire city. I suspect there will be thousands if not a million people who have breathing problems and other health issues for decades.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Sorry if this sounds just too Goody Two Shoes. Some are willing to kiss off a few thousand or million deaths of hapless civilians because their leaders are our opponents. This is somewhere between chilling and psychopathic. I recognize that a group hug and singing Kumbaya isn't going to save anyone, but for God's sake try to enjoy it less.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
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