INTL India - China border crisis (Main Thread)

The Mountain said:

Remember that there's activity all along the border, from Kashmir in the west to Arunachal in the east. At least one local news outlet in India expressed concern that China might try to foment chaos and disrupt Indian military operations by opening all their dams on the Brahmaputra river, which would flood large areas in eastern India, necessitating large rescue efforts. The tanks might well be headed not for the mountainous flash points currently active, but on over and down into Pakistan for use on the wide deserts of Punjab. Pakistan did start fairly heavy shelling along their own Kashmir border with India at about the same time as the Chinese perfidy, and have said they're on China's side in all of this. China did just recently make several large loans to Pakistan, so the Pak ISI is already in China's pocket.

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I had considered that, but wasn't sure if Pakistan would allow CCP armored units in its territory. Siding with someone is one thing, allowing heavy units into your territory is something altogether different.

Makes for some "interestingly fun" scenarios.

Paladin1 said:

I had considered that, but wasn't sure if Pakistan would allow CCP armored units in its territory. Siding with someone is one thing, allowing heavy units into your territory is something altogether different.

Makes for some "interestingly fun" scenarios.

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It'd probably be Pak crews in the tanks, with appropriate national emblem changes. I don't think even China would go so far as to move their own units through another nation, nor would Pak allow even their masters to do something so blatant (at least not yet).

How ever you look at this, the situation that Beijing has set up has the potential to "flash boil" with very little more input of "energy". Xi and his cabal are literally betting the house that they can bluff the next couple of hands. That's not the smart move, but the desperate move.

The Mountain said:

Remember that there's activity all along the border, from Kashmir in the west to Arunachal in the east. At least one local news outlet in India expressed concern that China might try to foment chaos and disrupt Indian military operations by opening all their dams on the Brahmaputra river, which would flood large areas in eastern India, necessitating large rescue efforts. The tanks might well be headed not for the mountainous flash points currently active, but on over and down into Pakistan for use on the wide deserts of Punjab. Pakistan did start fairly heavy shelling along their own Kashmir border with India at about the same time as the Chinese perfidy, and have said they're on China's side in all of this. China did just recently make several large loans to Pakistan, so the Pak ISI is already in China's pocket.

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Bingo-Come into India from a direction not anticipated. A Fulda gap style breakout and all three payers are nuclear armed.
Talk about a recipe for disaster.
And Pakistan is part of the Chinese belt and road initiative. Pakistan might not have any choice in letting the Chinese cross their territoy?

The Mountain said:

It'd probably be Pak crews in the tanks, with appropriate national emblem changes. I don't think even China would go so far as to move their own units through another nation, nor would Pak allow even their masters to do something so blatant (at least not yet).

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How hard would it be for Pakistani crews to run the Chinese tanks?

Because of the number of deaths, neither side will have as much control when the next interchange becomes a weapons hot zone.

At that point do you support with more troops, artillery, armored vehicles, air assets?

The terrain provides a slight buffer but can easily see this spiraling into a localized very violent confrontation.

China and Russia both have increased their ‘testing’ of the west. But when you go off the established rules bad unknowns tend to blow up carefully crafted plans.

Squid said:

Because of the number of deaths, neither side will have as much control when the next interchange becomes a weapons hot zone.

At that point do you support with more troops, artillery, armored vehicles, air assets?

The terrain provides a slight buffer but can easily see this spiraling into a localized very violent confrontation.

China and Russia both have increased their ‘testing’ of the west. But when you go off the established rules bad unknowns tend to blow up carefully crafted plans.

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The terrain encourages it's isolation from reinforcement and supply by either side. That means strikes into acknowledged sovereign territory and straight up war with a race ready to go as to who does it first.

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so what would happen if India and China go at it?
coupled with Korea going at it?
what would the us do?

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Which "U.S." are you referring to? The deep state group, or, Team Trump group?


intothegoodnight

TheSearcher said:

The analytical musings above are hard to ignore. It certainly is curious that all of China's enemies are in a position to be forked with by proxies at this time...

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On the "other side," there is Japan, Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia, Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand and Russia/Vladivostok and a couple of "unregistered" 'stan "bases" - is China's glass half-full, or, half-empty?


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On the "other side," there is Japan, Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia, Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand and Russia/Vladivostok and a couple of "unregistered" 'stan "bases" - is China's glass half-full, or, half-empty?


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They don't seem to be acting much as if they care if there's even a glass involved...

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They don't seem to be acting much as if they care if there's even a glass involved...

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They might end up with a glass parking lot if they're not careful!

Grumphau said:

They might end up with a glass parking lot if they're not careful!

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Might be a global growth industry...

Grumphau said:

They might end up with a glass parking lot if they're not careful!

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A large part of this is the CCP ginning up an external threat to get a domestic patriotic reaction.

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India awaits Modi's response to China after 20 killed in clubs and stones border clash

Sanjeev Miglani and Yew Lun Ti
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Indian army trucks move along a highway leading to Ladakh, at Gagangeer

NEW DELHI/BEIJING (Reuters) - India impatiently awaited Prime Minister Narendra Modi's response on Wednesday to the death of at least 20 soldiers in a border clash with Chinese troops as the country's media vented its fury and political rivals goaded Modi over his silence.

China's said it does not want to see any more clashes on the border with India following Monday's violence. Foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian reiterated that China was not to be blamed for the clash and said the overall situation at the border was stable and controllable.

According to Indian officials no shots were fired, but soldiers were hit with clubs and stones during a brawl that erupted between the two sides in the remote Galwan Valley, high in the mountains where India's Ladakh region borders China's Aksai Chin to the east.

India's foreign ministry said there had been casualties on both sides, but China has not disclosed any casualties so far.

Modi, who rode to power on a nationalist platform, met his defence and foreign ministers and the military chiefs late on Tuesday, but he had yet to speak publicly on the worst clash between the two countries since 1967, five years after China had humiliated India in a war.

Modi was elected to a second five-year term in May 2019 following a campaign focused on national security after spiralling tensions with old enemy Pakistan, on India's western border.

"Gloves are off, with the Galwan valley clash, China pushed too hard," the Times of India wrote in an editorial. "India must push back."

"Beijing can't kill our soldiers at the border and expect to benefit from our huge market," it continued, advocating sanctions against Chinese imports.

Facing what could his greatest foreign policy challenge since coming to power in 2014, Modi refrained from commenting publicly on the incident as a clamour for action rose over the past day.

"Why is the PM silent, why is he hiding," Rahul Gandhi, leader of the opposition Congress party tweeted. "Enough is enough, We need to know what happened. How dare China kill our soldiers, how dare they take our land."

Hundreds of Indian and Chinese troops have been facing each other since early May at three or four locations in the uninhabited high-altitude deserts of Ladakh.

India says Chinese troops have intruded into its side of the Line of Actual Control or the de facto border.

China rejects the allegation and has asked India not to build roads in the area, claiming it to be its territory.

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According to the Indian government sources, the fighting on Monday night broke out during a meeting to discuss ways to de-escalate tensions, and the colonel commanding the Indian side was one of the first to be struck and killed.

Many of the other Indian soldiers who died had succumbed to their wounds, having been unable to survive the night in freezing temperatures.

Unlike in India, the incident did not receive wall-to-wall coverage in China, where official media reported a statement on the incident from the spokesperson for the Chinese army’s Western Command.

On social media, bloggers and media aggregating platforms shared Indian media reports, such as the Indian army’s announcement acknowledging that the death toll had risen to 20.

Most vocal was the Global Times, a paper published by the official paper of the country’s ruling Communist Party.

Its editor-in-chief, Hu Xijin, took to domestic and global social media platforms to scold India, saying “Indian public opinion needs to stay sober” and to warn that China did not fear a clash.

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(Reporting by Sanjeev Miglani, additional reporting by Tony Munroe in Beijing; Editing by Simon Cameron-Moore and Raju Gopalakrishnan)

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India-China clash: Two sides blame each other for deadly fighting

BBC • June 17, 2020

China and India have accused each other of provoking fighting in which at least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a disputed Himalayan border area.

Soldiers reportedly brawled with sticks, bats, and bamboo sticks studded with nails in the late night confrontation in the Ladakh region on Monday.

However, no shots were fired.

India's army said that both sides suffered casualties. China confirmed the incident but did not give details.

The Indian statement notes that injured soldiers were "exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain".

• An extraordinary escalation 'with rocks and clubs'

It is the first deadly clash between the two sides in the border area, in the disputed Kashmir region, in at least 45 years.

India said China had tried to "unilaterally change the status quo". Beijing accused Indian troops of "attacking Chinese personnel".

The two armies later held talks to try to defuse tensions.

What happened?
The fighting occurred in the precipitous, rocky terrain of the strategically important Galwan Valley, which lies between China's Tibet and India's Ladakh.

Indian media say soldiers engaged in direct hand-to-hand combat, with some "beaten to death". During the fight, one newspaper reported, others fell or were pushed into a river.

The Indian army initially said a colonel and two soldiers had died in the clash. It later said that "17 Indian troops who were critically injured in the line of duty" and died from their injuries, taking the "total that were killed in action to 20".

Both sides insist no bullet has been fired in four decades, and the Indian army said on Tuesday that "no shots were fired" in this latest skirmish.

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India's foreign ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said the clash arose from "an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo" on the border.

China did not confirm the number of casualties, but accused India in turn of crossing the border onto the Chinese side.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has yet to publicly address the issue, something that was pointed out by Rahul Gandhi, former leader of the opposition Indian National Congress party.

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Why is the PM silent?
Why is he hiding?

Enough is enough. We need to know what has happened.

How dare China kill our soldiers?
How dare they take our land?

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India Defence Minister Rajnath Singh tweeted on Wednesday: "The loss of soldiers in Galwan is deeply disturbing and painful.

"Our soldiers displayed exemplary courage and valour in the line of duty and sacrificed their lives in the highest traditions of the Indian Army."

Why was the clash so lethal?

Analysis box by Soutik Biswas, India online correspondent

The fighting on the border in Ladakh was the worst in nearly half a century.

This is not the first time the two nuclear-armed neighbours have fought without conventional firearms on the border. India and China have a history of face-offs and overlapping territorial claims along the more than 3,440km (2,100 mile), poorly drawn Line of Actual Control (LAC) separating the two sides.

Border patrols have often bumped into each other, resulting in occasional scuffles. But no bullets have been fired in four decades.

And at the root of this is a 1996 bilateral agreement that says "neither side shall open fire... conduct blast operations or hunt with guns or explosives within two kilometres of the Line of Actual Control".

Both countries send out patrols that often engage in physical stand-offs. Last month dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows in a clash on the shared border in the state of Sikkim. Seven Chinese and four Indian troops were injured.

When things get worse, the two sides end up fighting with makeshift weapons.

"It's grim stuff. Blunt force trauma. Bludgeoning," Vipin Narang, a security studies professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told me.

"The trade-offs is fewer potential fatalities, but the method of death is medieval."

How tense is the area?
The LAC is poorly demarcated. The presence of rivers, lakes and snowcaps means the line can shift. The soldiers either side - representing two of the world's largest armies - come face-to-face at many points.

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The last firing on the border happened in 1975 when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in the north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh. The clash was variously described by former diplomats as an ambush and an accident.

A satellite image of Galwan Valley shows the rocky and barren terrain

But there have been tense confrontations along the border in recent weeks.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan Valley and says China occupies 38,000sq km (14,700sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The two countries have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising again now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

India has built a new road in what experts say is the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh. And India's decision to ramp up infrastructure seems to have infuriated Beijing.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000sq km - with Pakistan.
Following the latest clash between China and India, the United Nations urged both sides "to exercise maximum restraint".

"We take positive note of reports that the two countries have engaged to de-escalate the situation," UN associate spokesperson Eri Kaneko said.

A US State Department spokesman, meanwhile, said it was "closely monitoring" the situation and that the US supports a peaceful resolution.

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LIVE: India's Modi says sacrifice of soldiers 'won't go in vain'
In a live TV address, Indian leader also says India wants peace, but will give China a 'befitting reply if instigated'.

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• In a TV address to the nation, India's Modi says the sacrifice of soldiers killed in Ladakh by China's army "will not go in vain".
• China says it does not want to see any more clashes on the border with India following a clash on Monday that killed at least 20 Indian soldiers.
• India says the "violent face-off" is an attempt by China to "unilaterally change the status quo" on the Galwan Valley frontier in Indian-administered Ladakh.
• Beijing, in turn, accuses the Indian army of "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation".

Here are the latest updates:
10:07 GMT - 'China concerned at India building road along LAC'
Michael Kugelman, deputy director of the Asia Program at The Wilson Center, has told Al Jazeera a combination of factors are at play behind the India-China tension.
"I believe China has been concerned at Indian road building along the Line of Actual Control [LAC], particularly one road that was completed last year that essentially allows connectivity from Leh, the capital of Ladakh, all the way to Karakoram Pass," he said.

Indian Border Security Force (BSF) soldiers guard a highway leading towards Leh, bordering China [Tauseef Mustafa/AFP]
Kugelman said any conversation on the Chinese motivation must address India's repeal of Article 370, which granted autonomy to Indian-administered Kashmir. The federal territory of Ladakh, where the latest clashes took place, was carved out of the former Jammu and Kashmir state following the repeal.
"I think it's clear. Beijing responded strongly and quickly after India made that move last year. I think China looks at Article 370 repeal similarly as Pakistan does. India made a unilateral move that affected a territory that China claims as its own," Kugelman told Al Jazeera.
"I think the [coronavirus] pandemic played a part too. China knows that it has been put on the defensive by a lot of strong criticism from key capitals around the world about its initial response to the coronavirus. It has found itself in a lot of hot water with lot of key actors, not just the US but others too. I think China wanted to divert attention by pushing back hard against India."

09:45 GMT - Modi says sacrifice of soldiers 'won't go in vain'
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said the sacrifice of the 20 soldiers killed by the Chinese army "will not go in vain" and urged that "differences [with China] should not turn into disputes".
"For us, the unity and sovereignty of the country is the most important... India wants peace but it is capable to give a befitting reply if instigated," he said.
Modi ended his address on live television by observing a two-minute silence and folding his hands in order to pay his tributes to the dead soldiers.
The Indian leader has also called for a virtual meeting on June 19 with the opposition parties to discuss the tension with China, his office said.

Names of the 20 Indian Army personnel who lost their lives in the "violent face-off" with China in Galwan Valley, Ladakh. pic.twitter.com/GD5HFVr6U8
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09:17 GMT - India, China armies 'talking to defuse tension'
Talks are being held between senior Indian and Chinese army officers in the Galwan Valley along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Himalayan region to defuse the situation, India's news agency, ANI, reported citing sources in the Indian army.
In a report earlier on Wednesday, ANI had also claimed that a Chinese military commander was among more than 40 People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers killed in Monday night's "violent face-off". The news agency provided no further details.

08:45 GMT - India awaits Modi's response to Ladakh killings
Meanwhile, India waits for Prime Minister Narendra Modi's response to the death of Indian soldiers as the country's media vented its fury and political rivals goaded Modi over his silence.
Modi, who rode to power on a nationalist platform, met his defence and foreign ministers and military chiefs late on Tuesday, but he has yet to speak publicly on the worst clash between the two countries since the Nathu La conflict in 1967, five years after the Sino-Indian war.
"Why is the PM silent, why is he hiding," Rahul Gandhi, leader of the opposition Congress party tweeted. "Enough is enough, We need to know what happened. How dare China kill our soldiers, how dare they take our land.

08:33 GMT - China says it does not want any more clashes
China has said it does not want to see any more clashes on the border with India, adding that both countries are trying to resolve the situation via dialogue.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian reiterated that China is not to blame for the clash and said the overall situation at the border is "stable and controllable".

35 dead and injured on Chinese side during clash in Galwan Valley: official sources quoting US intelligence reports
— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) June 17, 2020

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08:17 GMT - China's drill in same area of clashes with India
China's state broadcaster reported on a large military exercise in the same region as a recent deadly border clash with India, The Associate Press reported.
The CCTV report did not mention when exactly the military exercise was conducted, only mentioning "recently" and that 155 vehicles were used in Nyainqentanglha Shan more than 1,200 kilometers (745 miles) from the site of recent deadly clashes between the two nations' armies.
"The exercise adopted a joint strategy of combating three-dimensional intrusion and seizing control," said Zhang Jialin, Tibetan Military Region Brigade Commander.

08: 04 GMT - India defence minister tweets condolence
India's Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has said the killings of soldiers in Galwan Valley is "deeply disturbing and painful".
"Our soldiers displayed exemplary courage and valour in the line of duty and sacrificed their lives in the highest traditions of the Indian Army," he tweeted.
"The Nation will never forget their bravery and sacrifice. My heart goes out to the families of the fallen soldiers. The nation stand shoulder to shoulder with them in this difficult hour. We are proud of the bravery and courage of India’s breavehearts."

A satellite image taken over Galwan Valley in Ladakh, India, parts of which are contested with China [Reuters]
07:30 GMT - How Indian, Chinese media reported Ladakh clash
While Chinese state media has downplayed a deadly military confrontation with India in the Indian-administered Ladakh region, Indian newspapers called for "steely resolve" over the killing of at least 20 soldiers.
Indian news agency ANI on Tuesday night claimed that 43 Chinese soldiers had died in Monday's clash, without giving further details. Chinese media did not reveal casualties on its side.

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Let's remember something here - the number of US businesses that offshore IT to India and manufacturing to China. This is going to be an ENORMOUS cluster **** when this goes red hot.

..well, they've been feeding me this story for a few weeks now, so..even as guilable as I am, I am beginning to feel maybe they don't always mean what they tell me? But, maybe.. . ..
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Recap of events in polished video forms, possibilites' again raised this is Xi distracting from domestic pressure. . .

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#India's government has remained silent about the potential fallout from clashes with #China's

army in a disputed border area in the high #Himalayas The most violent confrontation in decades between the two countries claimed 20 soldiers' lives, according to the Indian army
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"What's unusual about this is that no shots have been fired, it has been fought with crude weapons, iron rods and wooden clubs [..] so it's a very bizarre set of clashes but part of a long-range of brawls," said International Affairs commentator
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The terrain encourages it's isolation from reinforcement and supply by either side. That means strikes into acknowledged sovereign territory and straight up war with a race ready to go as to who does it first.

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XI: Nine Grounds
According to the rule of military operations, there are nine kinds of grounds. Where local interests fight among themselves on their own territory, this is called a ground of dissolution.

When you enter others' land but not deeply this is called light ground.

Land that would be advantageous to you if you got it and to opponents if they got it is called ground of contention.

Land where you and others can come and go is called a trafficked ground.

Land that is surrounded on three sides by competitors and would give the first to get it access to all the people on the continent is called intersecting ground.

When you enter deeply into others' land, past many cities and towns, this is called heavy ground.

When you traverse mountain forests, steep defiles, marshes, or any route difficult to travel, this is called bad ground.

When the way in is narrow and the way out is circuitous, so a small enemy force can strike you, even though your ground.

When you will survive if you fight quickly and perish if you do not, this is called dying ground.

So let there be not battle on a ground of dissolution, let there be no stopping on light ground, let there be no attack on a ground of contention, let there be no cutting off of trafficked ground. On intersecting ground form communications, on heavy ground plunder, on bad ground keep going, on surrounded ground make plans, on dying ground fight.

Sounds like this whole area qualifies as light, bad, contentious ground, so whoever starts the fight here has to quickly push through it and find better ground to fight on or they're going to get chewed up.

Indian PM Narendra Modi Breaks Silence After Deadly Border Skirmish With China

by Tyler Durden
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Update (0640ET): In an announcement that should probably be taken with a grain of salt (considering that simply backing down would be politically unfeasible for Modi and his nationalist government), China's Foreign Ministry says it has reached an agreement with India to stop any further border hostilities.

• CHINA, INDIA AGREE TO RESOLVE BORDER CLASH IN A FAIR WAY, DE-ESCALATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE -CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY

China said earlier that it was in "close communication" with India via diplomatic and military channels, according to Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian. Zhao reiterated that the situation between the two neighbors is "stable" and "controllable." While Indian PM Modi has promised to pursue a diplomatic solution, he said that India can "reply suitably" if provoked by the Chinese.
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After maintaining a disquieting silence for more than 24 hours, Indian PM Narendra Modi delivered his first statement since the deadly border clash between Indian and Chinese forces that left 20 Indian soldiers dead.

During a televised address to the nation, Modi insisted India wouldn't allow the sacrifice made by its soldiers to be made in vain. India will protect its territory and integrity, before adding that India is "culturally a peaceful nation and has cooperated with neighboring countries: Modi wants to ensure the country that India's integrity and sovereignty are top priorities for us, and nobody can stop India from protecting it.

India will protect the country’s land and its integrity, Modi promised, though a diplomatic solution will be sought to prevent further violence - though India reserves the right to retaliate if provoked.

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Reuters: INDIA PM MODI, ON INDO-CHINA BORDER DISPUTE, SAYS WANT TO REASSURE THAT SACRIFICE OF OUR SOLDIERS WILL NOT GO IN VAIN

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Reuters: INDIA PM MODI, ON INDO-CHINA BORDER DISPUTE, SAYS INDIA WANTS PEACE BUT CAN REPLY SUITABLY IF PROVOKED

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The party has demanded more answers from Modi, including a more complete explanation of what caused the skirmish.

The opposition Congress Party, led by Rahul Gandhi, the scion of the Nehru-Gandhi political family, has repeatedly slammed the prime minister over his silence, and posited it as part of a pattern of weakness shown during previous border spats (which seem to be happening more and more under Modi's Hindu Nationalist government).

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PM Modi's silence is an insult to every soldier that has laid down their life to protect our nation.#PMDaroMatJawabDo


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Today when there's anger in the country regarding this incident then PM should come forward & tell the truth to the country that how did China occupy our land and why did our 20 soldiers lose their lives? What is the situtaion there today?: Congress Interim President Sonia Gandhi


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A surge in patriotism followed Modi's address, though even beforehand, the hashtag #westandwithindianarmy has gone viral in India.

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We'll never forget their sacrifice to us & this country. My prayers go out to their families

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The meeting, which was apparently focused on the coronavirus outbreak, involved Modi and the chief ministers of 15 Indian states and territories, and featured a 2-minute moment of silence to honor the 20 Indian soldiers killed during yesterday's border skirmish.

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Delhi: PM Narendra Modi, Union Home Minister Amit Shah and the chief ministers of 15 states and union territories, who are present in the meeting via video-conferencing today, observe two-minute silence as a tribute to the soldiers who lost their lives in #GalwanValley clash.


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Meanwhile, China's state media reported early Wednesday about a People's Liberation Army live-fire drill in Tibet as tensions with India escalated following a deadly clash on the disputed Himalayan border. It appears the exercises were held after the deadly clash.

Citing Chinese state media, the SCMP reported that the drill simulated removing the enemy’s fortified positions using a joint operation with a brigade (around 7,000 soldiers) of soldiers on the 4,700m-high plateau. The exercises involved tanks, artillery, missiles and electronic communications equipment.

The report followed the lethal battle in the Galwan Valley on Monday between Indian-controlled Ladakh and Chinese controlled Aksai Chin. Though, as we reported back in May, border tensions between the two nuclear-armed regional superpowers have been escalating in recent weeks, culminating in the skirmish.
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If true then China has the advantage here giving them better leverage in negotiations. Also 1st I've heard of a POW situation.

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There's been suggestion of some POW throughout, but was usually limited to just a few, higher ranking ind. in the comments I ran across.

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According to CNN News18, India has placed naval ships, infantry divisions and fighter squadrons to forward positions.

Talk about old school~These iron rods are actual iron rods.
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About 600 men were fighting with stones, iron rods and other makeshift weapons in near-total darkness for up to six hours. Most of the 20 Indian soldiers killed lost their footing or were knocked from the mountain ridge.

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People took to the streets in Ahmedabad, Vadodara and Surat cities and set fire to the Chinese flag.
Talks between Major Generals of India and China in Galwan Valley are over.
The talks have remained inconclusive as no immediate disengagement or change in the ground has taken place. More talks to take place in the coming days: Sources (ANI reports)

What is in this area for resources? Seems like a lousy piece of territory so there must be something worth fighting over.

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What is in this area for resources? Seems like a lousy piece of territory so there must be something worth fighting over.

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There's almost literally nothing there but piles of gravel. It's all about border lines; China wants it so no one else can have it, and so they can force India into a submissive position for having given it to China.

China suffered 43 casualties in violent face-off in Galwan Valley, reveal Indian intercepts

The violent face-off happened on late evening and night of June 15 in Ladakh’s Galwan Valley as a result of an attempt by the Chinese troops to “unilaterally change” the status quo during de-escalation in Eastern Ladakh.
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Updated: Jun 17, 2020 10:49 IST
By Asian News International , New Delhi

Indian intercepts reveal that Chinese side suffered 43 casualties including dead and seriously injured in the violent face-off in Ladakh’s Galwan Valley, sources confirmed to ANI.

The violent face-off happened on late evening and night of June 15 in Ladakh’s Galwan Valley as a result of an attempt by the Chinese troops to “unilaterally change” the status quo during de-escalation in Eastern Ladakh and the situation could have been avoided if the agreement at the higher level been scrupulously followed by the Chinese side, India said on Tuesday.

At least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in the violent face-off, government sources said and added that the casualty numbers could rise.

External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said earlier in the day that both sides suffered casualties in the violent face-off and the Chinese side departed from the consensus to respect the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Galwan Valley.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh held two review meetings over developments in Eastern Ladakh during the day.

China urges India to 'punish' border clash instigators
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China called on India to "harshly" punish those responsible for deadly border clashes, but added it did not want any more bloodshed. Meanwhile, Narendra Modi said India should be proud that its soldiers died fighting.

China's foreign minister blamed India for the border violence that claimed the lives of at least 20 Indian soldiers this week.

Conflicts | 17.06.2020

How Chinese and Indian media reacted to border clashes


"The Indian side would best not make an incorrect judgement of the situation, would best not underestimate China's strong determination to safety its sovereign territory," China's top diplomat Wang Yi said in a statement on Thursday.

He said that Indian troops crossed the so-called Line of Actual Control which separates the Chinese and the Indian controlled areas. Want also urged India to "harshly punish" those responsible.

Separately, Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian on Wednesday said China was not to be blamed for the clash and that the overall situation at the border was stable. He said both countries were seeking to resolve the situation through dialogue.

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According to Indian officials no shots were fired, but soldiers were hit with clubs and stones during the brawl between the two sides in the remote Galwan Valley. At least 20 Indian soldiers died,including a colonel, with India saying there were also casualties on the Chinese side. Some Indian media outlets spoke of over 40 Chinese soldiers either killed or injured.


While China's Foreign Ministry admitted there was a "serious physical confrontation between both sides that caused deaths and injuries," they did not confirm any casualties on the Chinese side.

The Chinese foreign ministry claims that Indian troops crossed the border twice on Monday, and that India was guilty of "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel." The ministry said Beijing had lodged "strong protests and representations" to Delhi.
The response in India

On Wednesday India's nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi said the country should be proud that its soldiers died while fighting.

"Their sacrifices won't go to waste," he said. "For us, the unity and sovereignty of the country is the most important thing. India wants peace, but when provoked, it is capable of giving a fitting reply, be it any kind of situation.''

Modi previously met with his defence and foreign ministers and the military chiefs late on Tuesday, but he had refrained from commenting as a clamor for action rose over the past day. The Prime Minister's office tweeted that he had called for a cross-party meeting on Friday to discuss the situation on the border.

But leader of the opposition Congress party Rahul Gandhi said a response was needed urgently. "Why is the PM silent? Why is he hiding?" he tweeted.

DW's Nimisha Jaiswal in Delhi says there has been a drive in India recently to "hurt China economically." However, she says, the "warmongering, jingoistic response" amongst the public when it comes to Pakistan is "missing when it comes to conflict China."
Why is there tension at the border?

Over the past few weeks, Chinese and Indian troops have been locked in aggressive posturing at multiple locations along the two nations' de facto border, known as Line of Actual Control (LAC), raising tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors. Thousands of extra troops from both sides have been deployed to the border zone in recent weeks.

On May 5, a scuffle broke out at the Pangong Tso lake, located 14,000 feet (4,270 meters) above the sea level in the Himalayan region of Ladakh, when Indian and Chinese army personnel clashed with iron rods, sticks, and even resorted to stone-pelting in which soldiers on both sides sustained injuries.


Days later, on May 9, dozens of Chinese and Indian soldiers were injured in fistfights and stone-throwing when another fight erupted at Nathu La Pass in the Indian state of Sikkim, nearly 1,200 kilometers to the east along the LAC.

The tension might have been triggered by infrastructure activities carried out by India along the LAC, some analysts say. In the past 10 years, India has been boosting its border infrastructure, with new roads and airbases inaugurated in remote Himalayan areas.

China claims about 90,000 square kilometers (35,000 square miles) in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, referred to informally by some Chinese as "Southern Tibet." India, on the other hand, claims sovereignty over 38,000 square kilometers of the Aksai Chin plateau.

Victor Gao, Professor at Beijing's Soochow University, told DW he was "very confident" the two countries would resolve their differences peacefully.

"These are the two biggest populations in the world," he said. "For them to engage in war would be calamatious. Not just for themselves, but for world peace."