CRIME New Police Video Emerges of ‘Jogger’ Ahmaud Arbery Apprehended for Allegedly Stealing a Television

CULTURE
New Police Video Emerges of ‘Jogger’ Ahmaud Arbery Apprehended for Allegedly Stealing a Television

He was apparently jogging with television in hand.


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21 hours ago
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May 19, 2020
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Shane Trejo




25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery, who was shot to death after a struggle in February, has been painted by the fake news media as an innocent jogger who was hunted by racist white supremacists.

However, details are emerging that indicate Arbery had a long criminal history as video of his run-ins with law enforcement come to light.
Arbery can be seen in this video with three other individuals as they are apprehended by law enforcement for allegedly stealing a television from a Walmart: (Pic above taken from video, seen at link)




Another video shows Arbery acting erratic and belligerent during an encounter police at a known drug spot inside a Georgia park.
View: https://youtu.be/d7RmbadxRII


Big League Politics reported on Michelle Malkin’s poignant analysis that the Arbery case had all the makings of a media race hoax:

In her article for the popular alt-media blog Unz, Malkin pointed out that the infamous race hoaxster Shaun King was behind the video of Arbery’s shooting going viral. He is already using the incident to organize his left-wing mob into action.
The Arbery family is being represented by S. Lee Merritt, an attorney with deep ties to King. King and Merritt are old college friends who have become racial victim scammers together in recent years. It is entirely plausible that a deceptively edited video could have been released to King to influence the court of public opinion in favor of his client.

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Malkin noted that King and Merritt pushed a hate crime hoax in 2018 about Sherita Dixon-Cole, a black lady who accused a white law enforcement officer of raping her in Texas. King and Merritt crucified the policeman on social media before hours of body camera footage emerged showing that no sexual assault ever occurred. Dixon-Cole was never prosecuted despite her lies, showing how there is no punishment for perpetrating these cruel exploitative hoaxes…

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Merritt and King also pushed anti-white hatred while demagoguing the case of Jazmine Barnes, a seven-year-old girl who was gunned down in 2019. Merritt became employed as a legal advisor to the Barnes family, and the familiar hoax pattern emerged. King used social media to put out conspiracy theories that she was murdered in cold blood by a white truck driver and fingered a random man as the perpetrator. The individuals responsible for the murder ultimately turned out to be black, and the falsely-accused individual received death threats from hate-filled leftists.

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Malkin also drew attention to Benjamin Crump’s involvement in this case. Crump is an infamous race huckster who is currently getting sued regarding how he handled the case against George Zimmerman, who was exonerated in the court of law for the self-defense killing of Trayvon Martin. Crump published an anti-white book to capitalize on the hysteria of Zimmerman’s trial, “Open Season: Legalized Genocide of Colored People,” which is alleged to have been written “with actual malice knowing the untruth or at a minimum a reckless disregard for the truth.”

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Right now, Crump is attempting to cash in on a civil suit against Daniel Holtzclaw, a law enforcement officer who was convicted of sexual assault based on evidence that Malkin considers to be highly dubious. Malkin noted that Holtzclaw’s alleged victims include a convicted felon who described Holtzclaw as a “short, black man” when he is in fact 6’1, half Japanese, and light-skinned; and a drug-addicted prostitute who referred to Holtzclaw as a “hot cop” before claiming he raped her. Crump is hoping to secure payouts for these individuals, in an example of the racial justice that Black Lives Matter activists are demanding.

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The conservatives and libertarians who swallowed the Black Lives Matter propaganda on the Arbery case, such as Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire and Rod Dreher of The American Conservative, have destroyed their own credibility.

Can't be. He was just a jogger. Unarmed.

That jogger was gonna be a doktah!

Same news, different article


Newly released Ahmaud Arbery video shows 2017 shoplifting arrest
Newly released police bodycam video shows Georgia slay victim Ahmaud Arbery being handcuffed and arrested for shoplifting in 2017.
The video, dated Dec. 1, 2017, shows Arbery and three teenagers being confronted by police in the parking lot of a Walmart shopping center, according to the footage posted on YouTube on Tuesday.

“Tell me about the TV,” a police officer asks.
“TV? What? We don’t have any TV,” Arbery, wearing shorts and a parka, responds.
“What about the 65-inch TV?” the cop says.
“Sixty-five-inch TV?” Arbery says.
“Do me a favor,” the cop replies. “All of you take a seat.”
“Take a seat for what?” Arbery snaps back. “I don’t know nothing about no TV. … I don’t steal no TV.”

Another man, presumably a Walmart employee, approaches and the police officer tells him, “it’s that one right there with the fur jacket” — suggesting Arbery — and the man nods.
“What TV?” Arbery says. “The TV is in there,” motioning toward the store.

Arbery then claims he has a receipt and tries to get up from the ground, but is placed in handcuffs and put into a squad car.
He’s driven back to the store, where he and the three teenagers are seen walking into the back of the store and into a rear office, where the video eventually ends. The outcome of the shoplifting arrest is not clear.

The release of the footage comes one day after another bodycam video shows a confrontation between Arbery a month earlier at a local park. In that video, police attempt to tase Arbery while he is being questioned about sitting in his car in the park.SEE ALSO
https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/sister-of-ahmaud-arbery-killer-posted-picture-of-his-body-to-snapchat/
Arbery, 25, has been the subject of a national outcry over his Feb. 23 shooting death, allegedly by two white men, who chased down the unarmed black jogger in their Brunswick neighborhood.
Gregory McMichael, 64, a former Glynn County cop and investigator for the district attorney’s office, and his 34-year-old son, Travis McMichael, were charged with murder earlier this month after cellphone video of his death went public and caused widespread outrage.

The McMichaels claimed they believed Arbery was a suspected burglar after he was spotted at a nearby construction site — which has since become a morbid tourist stop.
An extended version of the video released by a lawyer for Arbery’s family shows he was chased for more than 4 minutes before Travis McMichael confronted him and shot him twice at close range with a shotgun during a scuffle.

Din do nuffin ...

HE WUZ GOOBOI HE DINDU NUFFIN HE LUV JEEZUS AN SHEET HE WUZ GOAN BE DOKTUH.

Well he ain't doing nothing now

It's STILL not a Capital Offense.

hiwall said:

Well he ain't doing nothing now

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True. Well, he was kinda scummy, I guess. I saw the video of the park scene. I think he was just waiting for his weed connection, since the park is a known drug place.

Small-time hoodlum/punk. Did the McMichaels still have any right to shoot him dead?

We'll see. Having an opinion at this point probably means nothing.

Once again, just like with M Brown, Skittles and others the story is not exactly as portrayed by the MSM and the race crowd.

Here is another video worth watching


The Ahmaud Arbery story ought to serve as a warning sound to a nation in demographic decline: Black Lies don’t count and white lives don’t matter in America anymore.

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Not standing up for him, but killing for robbery isn't allowed. Self defense? One oh him, 2 of them. They lose on disparity of force issue also.

As with every other situation, after the trigger is pulled it is all a legal wrangle, if you are not a Badged One.

Problem 1 - gunfight.

Problem 2 - legal fight that follows.

YET ... failing to successfully solve Problem 1 makes Problem 2 irrelevant.

AND ... if you are a concealed carrier, ANY fight you get into is a gunfight, because YOU BROUGHT THE GUN.

I just saved you several hundred/thousand on Gun Skool. For the rest, learn to shoot, learn to fight with a gun, and HIRE A LAWYER OR GET CC LEGAL INSURANCE.

Look grasping at straws in his past doesn't and won't help the two guys who stopped and shot him.
Everyone pretty much knows Arbery was not the squeaky clean guy the liberal media is trying to make him out to be. He was pretty much your average young black male with the arrests and crimes a lot of young black males have in their past.
You still can't stop him in the street while brandishing a shotgun and a .357 and end up shooting him.
The 2 guys who did it are going to hang because Arbery was not armed and wasn't and didn't commit any crime to justify them stopping him. The two guys acted like they were cops, and they weren't.
If you are a private citizen and carry a weapon, you sure as hell need to know when to pull it out and when not to. This was a "not to" situation.

Arbery was almost certainly a dirtbag, but you can't go around stopping and shooting other people just because you think they are a dirtbag. It might be nice to think about, but it sure as hell makes you a dirt bag too.

The original story as the MSM and race players would have you believe it went something like this. A nice young man, a person of color, was minding his own business and was out jogging like he often did. Two black hating rednecks saw him in their neighborhood and just knew they had to do something about that so they chased him down and shot him in cold blood because he was a black in their neighborhood. End of story.

Of course it is not anything like that but that is the basic story that they all ran with.

The 2 guys who did it are going to hang because Arbery was not armed

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As soon as he grabbed that shotgun he was armed.

It doesn't matter if he was a mass murderer unless the guys believed themselves to be in direct danger of physical harm from this man at the time they shot him, they took the law into their own hands.

They don't get to be a judge and jury, that's is what the court system is for, they blew it and they will probably spend the rest of their lives in prison for their mistake.

It doesn't matter the guy they murdered might also have "deserved" to be serving time, these guys decided he wouldn't live to face trial and now they get to live with the consequences of their actions.

Altura Ct. said:

The original story as the MSM and race players would have you believe it went something like this. A nice young man, a person of color, was minding his own business and was out jogging like he often did. Two black hating rednecks saw him in their neighborhood and just knew they had to do something about that so they chased him down and shot him in cold blood because he was a black in their neighborhood. End of story.

Of course it is not anything like that but that is the basic story that they all ran with.

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And you were somehow expecting something different.??
Look at the media campaign against Trump. He could cure cancer and they would still demonize him.
The media hates Trump, hates conservatives, especially southern redneck conservatives and really really hates those that carry guns.
If you're going to go around with a firearm, you better know exactly what you can and cannot do while you are carrying that weapon, or leave it home.
I'm sorry, but those 2 guys and the local PD and DA made it easy as hell for the lame stream media to do exactly what you are posting about.

Altura Ct. said:

As soon as he grabbed that shotgun he was armed.

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So if someone approaches you with a shotgun at the low ready, while an old man is standing in the bed of the pickup with a .357 and you try to grab the gun, you are armed?
Don't know where you got your CCW training, but you are wrong.
As Doz said, "who brought the gun?"
You pull that bang stick on any unarmed individual and you are responsible for anything that happens after that.
CCW legal classes cover crap like this and it turns out a lot of people need those classes before they get themselves in deep shit.

Altura Ct. said:

As soon as he grabbed that shotgun he was armed.

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No. He never got the gun away from McMichael.

Melodi said:

It doesn't matter if he was a mass murderer unless the guys believed themselves to be in direct danger of physical harm from this man at the time they shot him, they took the law into their own hands.

They don't get to be a judge and jury, that's is what the court system is for, they blew it and they will probably spend the rest of their lives in prison for their mistake.

It doesn't matter the guy they murdered might also have "deserved" to be serving time, these guys decided he wouldn't live to face trial and now they get to live with the consequences of their actions.

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Perhaps you missed where citizens arrest is legal? Maybe you also missed the elder was a retired cop with 30 years experience so he probably knows a thing or two about the law? Perhaps you also missed where open carry is also legal? Perhaps you also missed where Arbery grabbed the gun and that was when he was shot?

at the time they shot him

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'They' didn't shoot him. The younger did and that was only after Arbery grabbed the gun.

Altura Ct. said:

The original story as the MSM and race players would have you believe it went something like this. A nice young man, a person of color, was minding his own business and was out jogging like he often did. Two black hating rednecks saw him in their neighborhood and just knew they had to do something about that so they chased him down and shot him in cold blood because he was a black in their neighborhood. End of story.

Of course it is not anything like that but that is the basic story that they all ran with.

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Altura, I think everyone here understands how you feel and probably feel the same way.
However, if you are going to carry a weapon in public you can't go on your feelings.
The letter of the law is what counts when you wind up in the courtroom.
Oh, and the public opinion driven by the lamestream media also counts to the politically sensitive DA trying to make a name for themselves.

Altura Ct. said:

Perhaps you missed where citizens arrest is legal? Maybe you also missed the elder was a retired cop with 30 years experience so he probably knows a thing or two about the law? Perhaps you also missed where open carry is also legal? Perhaps you also missed where Arbery grabbed the gun and that was when he was shot?

'They' didn't shoot him. The younger did and that was only after Arbery grabbed the gun.

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You missed previous posts on that. Only under certain conditions, which this did not meet. Also, elder McMichael was not a cop, but he did work with the department.

I spend a lot of my time online, on African centric websites,
such as theroot, etc.

Africans are already pissed off, because of COVID-19,
and how it is impacting them more than Whites,
of course it isn't their fault, it is all POTUS Trump's fault.

Now there is the potential of another possible Ferguson,
if the White guys are not found guilty, and sent to prison.

With the ZUSA now fully into The Greatest Depression in
all of the world's history, all because of the intended release
of COVID-19, the summer of 2020 is going to go down as one
of the absolute worse for many areas of the ZUSA.

I would recommend that you visit theroot.com

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski

If we are not now at a place where ANY mainstream me!dia report (especially where race is a central issue) is not reflexively questioned, what will it take to get us there?

TerryK said:

Altura, I think everyone here understands how you feel and probably feel the same way.
However, if you are going to carry a weapon in public you can't go on your feelings.
The letter of the law is what counts when you wind up in the courtroom.
Oh, and the public opinion driven by the lamestream media also counts to the politically sensitive DA trying to make a name for themselves.

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The fact that the MSM and race players ran with the race aspect of it makes the whole story they reported suspect. The story was not about a killing/murder per se it was a bout race. Also when I see the cast of characters who are involved that further makes me suspect of the whole story as it should others.

Altura Ct. said:

Perhaps you missed where citizens arrest is legal? Maybe you also missed the elder was a retired cop with 30 years experience so he probably knows a thing or two about the law? Perhaps you also missed where open carry is also legal? Perhaps you also missed where Arbery grabbed the gun and that was when he was shot?

'They' didn't shoot him. The younger did and that was only after Arbery grabbed the gun.

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What don't you understand about this. You cannot just try and stop someone on the street, let alone while you are brandishing a shotgun. And no, there was no justified cause for a citizens arrest.

You are jogging down the street and two armed guys try to stop you (one even gets out of the vehicle with a shotgun, while the other is standing in the bed of the pickup armed with a pistol) and you think trying to grab the gun that is threatening you makes you somehow at fault?
Come on

Also, the fact that the old man is a retired cop is probably a large part of the problem.. He forgot that he was no longer in law enforcement. He was not a cop.

TerryK said:

You are jogging down the street and two armed guys try to stop you (one even gets out of the vehicle with a shotgun, while the other is standing in the bed of the pickup armed with a pistol) and you think trying to grab the gun that is threatening you makes you somehow at fault?

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Except that the video in the original post about this, posted by a BLACK COP, shows he was NOT "jogging down the street."
He was casually WALKING, stops in front of the home under construction, looks BOTH WAYS, then enters the home.
He only begins to run after a neighbor across the street yells at him.

Now, the rest of your narrative hinges on how you interpret those facts.

Altura Ct. said:

The fact that the MSM and race players ran with the race aspect of it makes the whole story they reported suspect. The story was not about a killing/murder per se it was a bout race. Also when I see the cast of characters who are involved that further makes me suspect of the whole story as it should others.

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What else is new? Of course the media will make it about race if they can.
Of course they play on the sympathy of the liberal half of the country. Race turned a stupid crime into a national spectacle.
That's reality. To ignore it can sometimes be fatal.

But then there is that videotape. That video will result in the McMichaels conviction.
Even if everyone involved was white, the guys in the pickup would still be guilty. The media making it all about race is what they do, what they always do, if they can.
It's sad, but it's reality, but it doesn't change the fact that they had no business trying to stop someone running down the street.

Nowski said:

I spend a lot of my time online, on African centric websites,
such as theroot, etc.

Africans are already pissed off, because of COVID-19,
and how it is impacting them more than Whites,
of course it isn't their fault, it is all POTUS Trump's fault.

Now there is the potential of another possible Ferguson,
if the White guys are not found guilty, and sent to prison.

With the ZUSA now fully into The Greatest Depression in
all of the world's history, all because of the intended release
of COVID-19, the summer of 2020 is going to go down as one
of the absolute worse for many areas of the ZUSA.

I would recommend that you visit theroot.com

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski

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Seems pretty conservative from what's on there at the moment.

Cardinal said:

Except that the video in the original post about this, posted by a BLACK COP, shows he was NOT "jogging down the street."
He was casually WALKING, stops in front of the home under construction, looks BOTH WAYS, then enters the home.
He only begins to run after a neighbor across the street yells at him.

Now, the rest of your narrative hinges on how you interpret those facts.

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And he didn't take anything from the site or do any damage. Moreover, other posts have been made showing many other people tramped through that house and were not chased down.

Cardinal said:

Except that the video in the original post about this, posted by a BLACK COP, shows he was NOT "jogging down the street."
He was casually WALKING, stops in front of the home under construction, looks BOTH WAYS, then enters the home.
He only begins to run after a neighbor across the street yells at him.

Now, the rest of your narrative hinges on how you interpret those facts.

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Yep, as everyone agrees, he was a dirtbag. No you can't shoot him or even confront him with a weapon when he's running down the street.

What he did in no way entitles the McMichaels (private citizens) to arm themselves and try to stop another private citizen on the street at gunpoint.
I wonder if they went after the two kids on bikes, or the man and woman couple that were also caught on video going into the house.

Sorry but going into a house under construction is fairly common and can be a misdemeanor if the owner wants to say something or a LEO sees it happening. The McMichals are not LEOs. The house thing is none of their business.
It is not in any way justification for a private citizen to attempt an armed confrontation with another private citizen on the street where that person had a right to be.

You get out of your vehicle on the street. armed with a shotgun, and try to stop an unarmed person and something goes wrong, you are at fault. You can't claim stand your ground if you initiated the confrontation.
People here who claim otherwise need to talk with a lawyer who does CCW legal classes on CCW law. I've paid for and been to several over the years. They are a good investment. Even if you carry CCW insurance, you are still going to go to jail if you were legally in the wrong. Better not to make stupid mistakes and avoid the consequences.

NEITHER McMichaels witnessed a FELONY.

Thus NO legitimate Citizens Arrest case can be made.

Brandishing a weapon is a punishable offense.
SHOOTING another person absent a credible fear of IMMINENT death or major injury is at BEST MANSLAUGHTER.

The 2 yahoos broke a PACK of laws to get to where they were BEFORE the gun fired. After the SECOND shot, they had a whole lot MORE added to their record.
The Jury will have to be taught all the legitimate conditions to accost someone with a firearm and all the legal conditions in which the firearm may be fired. And having your hand on the muzzle of a shotgun does not qualify as being armed AT ALL, NOR does it qualify as an imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.

night driver said:

NEITHER McMichaels witnessed a FELONY.

Thus NO legitimate Citizens Arrest case can be made.

Brandishing a weapon is a punishable offense.
SHOOTING another person absent a credible fear of IMMINENT death or major injury is at BEST MANSLAUGHTER.

The 2 yahoos broke a PACK of laws to get to where they were BEFORE the gun fired. After the SECOND shot, they had a whole lot MORE added to their record.
The Jury will have to be taught all the legitimate conditions to accost someone with a firearm and all the legal conditions in which the firearm may be fired. And having your hand on the muzzle of a shotgun does not qualify as being armed AT ALL, NOR does it qualify as an imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.

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I think a whole lot of training of the Jury will be necessary.

In the state of Georgia what is brandishing; is it carrying a weapon or is it raising the weapon to cause an assault?
In the state of Georgia how does one make a citizens arrest, What are the criteria, what is the enforceable action one can take, what level of crime is thought to have happened in order to make the CA, Who must have witnessed the crime, What is the timing of the crime taking place compared to the CA itself, Must law enforcement be called prior to making a CA or before a CA? In the state of Georgia what are the laws for trespass? What level of crime can trespass rise to? In the state of Georgia what is the statute for Stand your Ground laws? How does that apply if "attacked"? Can you brandish a weapon to stand your ground; and in this case if brandishing meant raising your weapon to produce an assault happen after or before the deceased grabbed the weapon? When were the shots fired? After the deceased release the weapon and ceased his "defense/assault"? And none of your expert ccw trained opinion matters if you have only been trained in a facility or instruction under law other than that of Georgia.

Lot of questions. All we have are opinions.

Law is for thee but not for me.

Look for further outbreaks of Judge Vigilante as WROL evolves.

TidesofTruth said:

I think a whole lot of training of the Jury will be necessary.

In the state of Georgia what is brandishing; is it carrying a weapon or is it raising the weapon to cause an assault?
In the state of Georgia how does one make a citizens arrest, What are the criteria, what is the enforceable action one can take, what level of crime is thought to have happened in order to make the CA, Who must have witnessed the crime, What is the timing of the crime taking place compared to the CA itself, Must law enforcement be called prior to making a CA or before a CA? In the state of Georgia what are the laws for trespass? What level of crime can trespass rise to? In the state of Georgia what is the statute for Stand your Ground laws? How does that apply if "attacked"? Can you brandish a weapon to stand your ground; and in this case if brandishing meant raising your weapon to produce an assault happen after or before the deceased grabbed the weapon? When were the shots fired? After the deceased release the weapon and ceased his "defense/assault"? And none of your expert ccw trained opinion matters if you have only been trained in a facility or instruction under law other than that of Georgia.

Lot of questions. All we have are opinions.

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Actually, the black cop in the video I mentioned answers a bunch of these questions.

Cardinal said:

Actually, the black cop in the video I mentioned answers a bunch of these questions.

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But the Jury will need to be trained in these things. That is the point of my post.

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It's STILL not a Capital Offense.

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Nope but he'd probably alive if he wasn't a dumbass.

Altura Ct. said:

Perhaps you missed where citizens arrest is legal? Maybe you also missed the elder was a retired cop with 30 years experience so he probably knows a thing or two about the law? Perhaps you also missed where open carry is also legal? Perhaps you also missed where Arbery grabbed the gun and that was when he was shot?



'They' didn't shoot him. The younger did and that was only after Arbery grabbed the gun.

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Citizens arrests are legal, shooting the arrestee if they refrain from being arrested is not unless they try to shoot you first.

I have no problems with self-defense, I would even understand (and argue for a diminished sentence) if these guys were responding to an old lady screaming "Theif, that guy has my television, stop him!"

That would be a "reason" to chase and while still wrong to shoot the perp (unless he tried to shoot first or otherwise kill/maim the guys trying to catch him) the situation would be more understandable.

As it is, I'm sorry but everything I have seen and heard so far (and I'm not there, there are always sides to a story and I suspected from the beginning that the jogger was no angel) this was two FORMER COPS who without a Warrant and without a badge decided to "do some hunting."

I lived in rural Mississippi long enough to know what that means, and no I will not go further into details, I've already made that post as have several other people.

Or let's put this the other way around, what if the alleged criminal was a known local white junkie that "everyone in town" knew about (I've known people like that) and it was two Hispanic, Native American or African American FORMER Cops that just decided without a warrant to "shoot the guy?"

That isn't allowed in the current US justice system, while citizen's arrests are legal, I don't think that extends to the use of lethal force if the person simply refuses to go along or wait for the real cops to show up.

No, this was not two former cops, Melodi. It is unknown what son Travis does for a living according to Heavy.com.

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Cops executed a search warrant at the McMichaels' house:

mzkitty said:

No, this was not two former cops, Melodi. It is unknown what son Travis does for a living according to Heavy.com.

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Cops executed a search warrant at the McMichaels' house:

Update: GBI execute search warrant for Gregory & Travis McMichael’s home

SAVANNAH, Ga. (WSAV) – The Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) say their agents executed a search warrant Tuesday evening at the home of Gregory & Travis McMichael. According to a GBI …

www.wsav.com

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OK, I thought that is what the other poster said, anyway; they still shouldn't have killed the guy unless they were under direct attack.

This one doesn't even get the sympathy I feel for the guy on the other thread that blew away the pedo, that was also a "violation" and he knows he's going to suffer for it, but it is a lot more understandable.

Just like the Mother (who was dying of cancer anyway) that blew away the perp that raped her daughter in court, there are some things that are just so emotionally laden that they are understandable.

Deciding to go after a guy who may be a local loser and petty criminal is a different story.