deletedi am not questioning your friend, but something is not right here. there is a serious disconnect from that statement to what we have seen and heard.
they don't match.
deletedi am not questioning your friend, but something is not right here. there is a serious disconnect from that statement to what we have seen and heard.
they don't match.
But, But, But! If the Economy Crashed or TSHF I will just go Fishing or Hunting. That is what I hear from so many people. I tell them, the Wildlife wouldn't last very long if everyone started Fishing and HuntingI agree. The problem is that everyone is a hunter here. It won't last long no matter what.
how long can it last once frozen?Thing is...the virus is NOT foodborne. With decent packing practices and inspection, the risk to consumers is low as long as the meat is cooked and handled properly. The biggest hang-up would be lack of workers in the plants.
But you can never count on the common sense of the average consumer. If a brand gets bad publicity, there's no stopping irrational panic.
Only if I eat it raw. I love bacon, but prefer it crispy.how long can it last once frozen?
If an infected employee coughed on your bacon before it as frozen, then you handled it. You could probably get e coli and corona.
I'm going into Tractor Supply today to get about 2 months more feed for my chickens, planned that out last night....Yes it was. He was interviewing Congressman Thomas Massie from Kentucky. He said we are weeks away from a huge food shortage. Not only are the meat processors shutting down, but also the 'feed' producers. So there will be a feed shortage. You can turn cows out on grass, but the chicken and turkey and pork producers will be in a real fix.
Yeah that would work if we lost about 98% of the population right off the bat. If it takes some time, then you wouldn't have any wildlife no matter what.But, But, But! If the Economy Crashed or TSHF I will just go Fishing or Hunting. That is what I hear from so many people. I yell them the Wildlife wouldn't last very long if everyone started Fishing and Hunting
Three weeks. Can we hold out three more weeks?
Ten percent of the workforce is out of a job right now, and who knows how much of that won't come back?
Got to have some faith, but Lord, it ain't looking good.
This was a large part of my fear with the virus. I kept telling my parents it wasn't the virus, (which was bad enough), but rather the reactions to the virus that matters. I gave them 3 weeks notice on getting ready, ( they were to an extent ), but still go laughed at.We talked a great deal about systems interconnectedness during the Y2K event. We dodged that bullet. The cascading failures could be for real this time.
From what I saw on the interstates I don't think your friend is the only one sitting home. Iowa and Missouri were almost devoid of traffic, maybe 20% of normal maybe less. It was 10 to 1 semis to cars though.Called trucker friend yesterday. Surprised to find him home. Usually had four runs between Sioux City and Kansas City per week. He told me consumers are not out buying. Warehouses are full. Manufactures are shutting down production.
Food and the ability to supply to everyone. That is going to a near impossible task if this continues. Too many are opting out of the system due to various reasons. The links in the chain are breaking.
Agreed, but with a caveat. The vast majority of people now days don't have the equipment to hunt or fish. Of those that do the majority don't have a clue what to do with it. So keeping your fish and or game may be harder than harvesting it.But, But, But! If the Economy Crashed or TSHF I will just go Fishing or Hunting. That is what I hear from so many people. I tell them, the Wildlife wouldn't last very long if everyone started Fishing and Hunting
It is far far more than 10% right now. I am a fan of Trump and will continue to vote for him. Yet, to say it is only 10% is wrong of the government.
Think of the numbers the past 3 weeks. 3 million. 6 million, 6 million. That makes 15 million total so far on top of the 5 million that were already out of work. That brings us to 20 million. out of 155 million. That is 13% right off the bat. There are millions more that are not counted yet due to self employment. That will change as states allow them to apply under the new UE law.
It is my belief that we will top off at the 1/3 is unemployed before too long. If not higher.
the problems revert 100% to the actual workers - most likely NOT being infected at work >>> a great majority are illegals - unwilling to get any actual med aid - not following any Virus guidelines - and the usual meat industry illegals housing is "dorm like" >> 20 guys living on top of each other in an average US family home ....
Depends upon the product. Food I agree. Consumables I agree. Furniture, and things that can wait.... don't agree.i am not questioning your friend, but something is not right here. there is a serious disconnect from that statement to what we have seen and heard.
they don't match.
That would make sense. Also we have had threads where the food is not being hauled from the farm to the processing factory. We are having multiple breakdowns.The trucker may not be hauling food. Sounds like he is hauling merchandise that is probably nonessential.
Same situation here. We have plenty of rural land around, back up to Daaniel Boone National Forest. Have plenty of deer, turkey, & squirrel. Not many wild hogs.I actually did a napkin analysis of the meat supply in our area. We are rural and there are deer, hogs and turkeys running through our yards on a daily basis. We have regular shooting going on so they have become acclimated to people and noises so this isn't a factor.
We have enough meat from rabbits, squirrels on up to last our area about 3 hours. Or maybe a meal or two of meat.
Why? Simply said, even though we are rural, the population of people is still over 10 per sq mile. I have 1000 acres behind me, there is another 800 acres across the road, but we still have a population density of 10 people per mile sq.
It is far worse the closer you get into town....
I used to believe that, but then the "nugget" issue came to light. Now I believe we are one meal without chicken nuggets from anarchy.If the already thin grocery shelves get to looking thinner, some people will come unglued. Three meals away from anarchy and all that.
We got a bunch of Tuna for us and as back up to the cats for them to eat. It made sense at the time.Well............ I don't have a big freezer in this small apt, I'm hoping meat isn't too short in the near future. It hasn't been at my chain grocery. They had put a notice a week or two ago that basically they have suppliers. So far except for paper products that's proven true. The meat cases have been full. I'm hoping the grid doesn't go down. I have some canned meat, but not much. I think I should get more tuna since that's plentiful at the moment, and get some packs of decent baloney to stick in the freezer; that way if the electric goes out you're not out a fistful of dollars.
It's all getting too crazy.
The trucker may not be hauling food. Sounds like he is hauling merchandise that is probably nonessential.
Great for him!local meat shop here in W KY is not having any issues with getting meat and chicken. One day last week he sold over 5000lbs of chicken in less than 4 hours.
We got a bunch of Tuna for us and as back up to the cats for them to eat. It made sense at the time.
any idea how many truckloads are moving daily from Chicago now?just one of the railroad "inland ports" for the Chicago area had 13,000 truckloads hauled out DAILY - all China goods shipped to the West Coast and red-balled to IL non-stop >>>> there isn't enough domestic inner-country produced good loads to take up that kind of load shortage ...
We don't. They are outside cats who get a portion of their food from their "territory" which is about 5 acres. As it now stands with the weather warming up, they eat less from us and more from what they harvest. The older cats go after the rabbits, squirrels and birds. The babies, anything from a small bird to a mole.It does if your cats like tuna. I've had cats that didn't. I hear it's not good to feed them tuna all the time anyway.
Based upon how things normally work around here, we have 2-3 days before it hits the mainstream news.Better get your freezers topped off before this article gets out to the masses... sigh...
An argument could be made that they have begun and we have seen several already.We talked a great deal about systems interconnectedness during the Y2K event. We dodged that bullet. The cascading failures could be for real this time.
This. The easy part is shooting the thing. The hard part is all the rest. I know plenty of people with guns that are going to "hunt". Most haven't cut anything up in their life never mind trying to preserve it. So much of the meat will be wasted or worse they hit something and it crawls off and dies and nobody gets anything.Agreed, but with a caveat. The vast majority of people now days don't have the equipment to hunt or fish. Of those that do the majority don't have a clue what to do with it. So keeping your fish and or game may be harder than harvesting it.
Local cattle auction skipped a weekly sale 2 weeks ago due to the low cattle prices and the volatility of the market. They had one last week and prices are in the sewer. They had one yesterday and when I went by there were only a hand full of stock trailers and only 2 cattle pots in the parking lot and about 7 cars. I'll find out this afternoon how many cows they had in the sale yesterday. Normally they run around 2k to 2500 head a week.
It does if your cats like tuna. I've had cats that didn't. I hear it's not good to feed them tuna all the time anyway.
Cats need taurine which is not present in tuna for humans. Tuna alone will cause problems but, in another way, it is better than nothing! Hard spot to be in when our pets need food.It does if your cats like tuna. I've had cats that didn't. I hear it's not good to feed them tuna all the time anyway.
Most aren't shutting down - yet anyway. As I said...lack of workers would be the kicker.
But don't let me get in the way of another reason for everybody here to freak out...
Feeding pets is likely going to be an issue moving forward.
Apparently cats are susceptible to the mercury content in tuna if fed on a daily basis. Once or twice a week shouldn't be a big deal however.
My 20 year old grey tabby ate like a dog. He just attacked his plate. He favored canned cat food, canned fish and canned chicken. I left out a bowl of dry kibble but he rarely ate it. It had to be very fresh for him to eat a little of it. I threw out a lot of dry kibble because he just wouldn't finish a bowl once it sat out for a day or two.
Canned fish (sardines, herring, etc.) and canned chicken is not much more expensive than the major brands of canned cat food and it is a much higher quality alternative than the commercial canned cat food which can be rather "sketchy" in it's origin.
If I was real motivated, I would sometimes boil up a pound or two of chicken gizzards, coarsely grind it in a blender and mix it into some cooked rice and chicken stock. Chicken offal, especially the heart, has essential components for cat health.
My mother used to feed her cat raw chicken kidneys which she got for free from her butcher. He seemed to thrive on it.
Cats need taurine which is not present in tuna for humans. Tuna alone will cause problems but, in another way, it is better than nothing! Hard spot to be in when our pets need food.
Called trucker friend yesterday. Surprised to find him home. Usually had four runs between Sioux City and Kansas City per week. He told me consumers are not out buying. Warehouses are full. Manufactures are shutting down production.