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Chance

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Sorry if this was already posted.

I believe this coronavirus was bio-engineered and had nothing to do with this market.

But we all know yearly flu comes from China - nasty place. This has cost the world $$ billions in vaccines/research/etc and millions of lives. I'd like to see all travel from China prohibited until they stop this animal crap. But I know that will never happen.




In a move that shocked the world to its core, China reopened the very wet markets that launched the worst pandemic in more than a half-century.

Health researchers have traced COVID-19 to the grossly unsanitary Wuhan, China, wet markets where animals are killed and butchered in front of customers. Blood and feces spill into the streets. Health experts long warned China that the despicable and unmonitored health conditions were a ticking time bomb.

“The animal welfare part of this is obvious, but much more hidden is this stashing and mixing of all these species together in a very small area, with secretions and urine mixed up together,” Wildlife Conservation Society director Christian Walzer reportedly said.

According to reports by National Geographic, China permits upwards of 54 different species to be bred on a single farm. Exotic animals include ostriches, Siamese crocodiles, minks, birds of prey, bats, and civets. Scientists believe infected bats and civets transmitted the virus to humans. Despite these infectious disease facts, China’s wet markets are reportedly peddling exotic flesh again.

“The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus,” according to a Daily Mail news correspondent. “The only difference is that security guards try to stop anyone taking pictures, which would never have happened before.”
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Mortgage industry on the brink of collapse
The mortgage market is on the brink of collapse as thousands of borrowers suddenly pour into the government bailout without any proof of any hardship. CNBC's Diana Olick reports.

7 minute video at link:


Mortgage industry on the brink of collapse (4:34)
View: https://youtu.be/bbdSEJCibe8


Commercial mortgages could be on brink of collapse: Real estate investor Tom Barrack (7:51)
View: https://youtu.be/YamZCIBs9KY
 

1-12020

Senior Member
DUDE. I read all this today. This is FUBAR. I get this strange feeling, death by thousand cuts. I was in rayles this am and over the loud speaker, like a ride at Disney Land, "Due to Covid19 please keep six feet distance" eerie. Most people I talk to think all is going to be better and everything will be normal again. I don't see it. Things are never going to be the same.
 

Bps1691

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Michigan governor: "We are running dangerously low on PPE"

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer told reporters that the state is running dangerously low on personal protective equipment, also called PPE.

Gov. Whitmer said that there are less than three days left until face shields run out and less than 6 days until surgical gowns run out at all three of those health systems. She added that these data points do not include private donations that are going straight to hospitals.

“We are doing everything that we can at the state level to secure more personal protection equipment. Today we will begin distributing 1.2 million surgical masks that the state has procured on the open market,” Whitmer said.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has sent 400 ventilators, 1.1 million surgical masks, 232,000 face shields and 2 million gloves. “FEMA will be shipping 1 million more N95 masks to Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties this week,” the governor said.

The state is working with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Michigan National Guard to get the TCF Convention Center in Detroit up and running to see patients by Friday.

The governor added that Ford and the United Autoworkers have donated thousands of face shields to Michigan hospitals and the state issued the purchase of 1 million face shields from Ford to be delivered over the next 3 weeks.
“We’re making some progress, and that is a good thing, but we need more PPE to continue fighting this virus,” Whitmer said.
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A very strange photo.

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Been following this twit throughout the crisis. She's screwed up everything so far and been using the crisis for a political stepping stone to run as VP for Ol' demented joe.

Like the idiot in the Ill-State, all they can do is cry about not having enough and blame it on everybody but their state's failed actions (or lack of actions).

What's up wit her face? See looks like the goldish makeup the used on the "aliens" in the old 1960's B Sci-Fi movies. All she needs is a pair of wires with ping pong balls glued on the ends and she be a spiting image of
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Reusable respirators a potential alternative for protecting health care workers from COVID-19
Woodruff Health Sciences Center | March 26, 2020
Contact Jill Wu
386-383-6061
jill.s.wu@emory.edu


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Colleen Kraft

Emory helps build free online tool to assess COVID-19 risk March 12, 2020
Resources »
Article in JAMA

The chronic shortage of disposable N95 respirator masks is a serious concern for front line health care workers involved in care of COVID-19 patients. A recent study published in JAMA determined that a reusable alternative to the N95 mask is just as effective and providers can securely fit the masks just as quickly.

Researchers found that time to achieve a secure fit with reusable elastomeric half-mask respirators (EHMRs) was not significantly different than with single use N95 respirators.

Colleen Kraft, MD, associate chief medical officer at Emory University Hospital, is the second author of the study, which was published in JAMA on March 25.

“The fact that health care providers can be rapidly fit tested and trained to use the reusable EHMR, will help address the current shortage of N95 respirators,” says Kraft.

Kraft is also an associate professor of medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases, associate professor in the Department of Pathology and the associate medical director for Emory’s Serious Communicable Diseases Program. Erik Brownsword, MPP, and Morgan Lane, MPH, in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Emory University School of Medicine were co-authors.

Kraft also worked with colleagues at the University of Texas on this project, which is funded by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Read the full article in JAMA.
Yes it makes sense of course.

I've been away from the commercial construction for decades.
But way back when fear was ramping up about silica and other construction dusts from drilling concrete.
The issue back than was OSHA required training that was required to be given to an employee if you had to give them a respirator.
Dust masks or higher end versions of them required no training.

Stuff has probably changed but that was the gist of it.

Hospitals aren't going to spend money on training if they never have the respirators to give to staff.

Wait and see after this mess how many hospital employees keep there own stock of stuff. Either buying their own or slowly building a stash of miss appropriated hospital products.
You would not catch me in a hospital setting without the whole hood and par.
 
Authorities in New York City may soon start temporarily burying bodies in parks as the city grapples with overrun morgues because of the coroanvirus crisis, city councilman Mark Levine said.

View: https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1247156159896748032


Levine also noted that the city is likely undercounting its coronavirus death toll because as many people are dying at home without receiving a test.

It is an interesting thread. Worth clicking through to see the rest of what he has to say. Truly apocalyptic scenes seem to be unfolding in New York City.


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EMICT

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I sent that video to my Dr. friend. I explained who Clif was and that he was just interesting to watch. I haven't spoke with him about the video but he did text me that Clif doesn't have good understanding of the subject and is way off. He said Vitamin C looks like it may have part to play but that Clif has things wrong in this presentation.
The thing I have noted is Clif (always appears) High.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
New York City plans to temporarily bury coronavirus victims in a park

10:27 a.m.

New York City is looking more and more apocalyptic every day.

As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to claim lives in the U.S's coronavirus epicenter, every aspect of city's resources for managing the dead have been overloaded. So to deal with the influx of dead bodies that have overtaken morgues, funeral homes, and cemeteries, the city will soon begin using a park for temporary burials, New York City Councilmember Mark Levine announced Monday.

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Levine, the chair of the council's health committee, explained in a Monday tweet thread how the city's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner is "now dealing with the equivalent of an ongoing 9/11." Deaths in hospitals are dramatically rising, but so are the numbers of deaths in homes; 20–25 people are usually reported dead in their homes every day in New York City, but that's risen to 200–215. Overall daily death counts have also doubled.
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So to avoid "scenes like those in Italy" where bodies have been found on the streets, New York City will likely soon use a park for "temporary interment" where "trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line," Levine wrote.


New York City's death toll from coronavirus was nearing 2,500 as of Sunday morning, though Levine noted that a lack of testing means that number is surely an undercount. Kathryn Krawczyk

 

Red Baron

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Proposed bill would allow online alcohol orders to be delivered in Wisconsin during coronavirus pandemic

Posted: 3:40 PM, Apr 05, 2020
Updated: 3:40 PM, Apr 05, 2020

WISCONSIN — A proposed Wisconsin bill could allow alcohol retailers to make deliveries from online or telephone orders.

Senate Bill 931, introduced late last month by Senator Chris Larson, would allow certain establishments to deliver alcohol to customers in Wisconsin.

Under current law, businesses with a retail license can only accept face-to-face orders from consumers. However, if the new bill passes, consumers will be able to purchase alcohol online or over the phone, and have it delivered to their home.

This proposed bill only allows these online and phone orders during a statewide public health emergency.
These online and phone orders can be placed as long as these five conditions are met:
  • The retailer holds a Class “A” or “Class A” license or holds a Class “B” or “Class B” license issued for a grocery store or restaurant
  • The products ordered are delivered to the customer by the retailer or an independent delivery service that gets less than half its revenue from delivering alcoholic beverages
  • Full payment of the order is made at the time the order is place
  • At the time the order is placed, the customer must assert that they are in fact 21 and are not intoxicated
  • When the alcohol is delivered, before the alcohol changes possessions, the retailer must confirm that the consumer is in fact 21 by checking their identification.
The bill was introduced by Senator Larson on March 26 and referred to the Committee on Economic Development, Commerce, and Trade on the same day. Its future is uncertain as the legislature is not scheduled to meet again until April 21.

 
Authorities in New York City may soon start temporarily burying bodies in parks as the city grapples with overrun morgues because of the coroanvirus crisis, city councilman Mark Levine said.

View: https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1247156159896748032


Levine also noted that the city is likely undercounting its coronavirus death toll because as many people are dying at home without receiving a test.

It is an interesting thread. Worth clicking through to see the rest of what he has to say. Truly apocalyptic scenes seem to be unfolding in New York City.


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So now it was a typo?

View: https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1247181795076046854


response tweet

View: https://twitter.com/Ehukai411/status/1247193957827661824


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Rebel_Yell

Senior Member
New York City plans to temporarily bury coronavirus victims in a park

10:27 a.m.

New York City is looking more and more apocalyptic every day.

As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to claim lives in the U.S's coronavirus epicenter, every aspect of city's resources for managing the dead have been overloaded. So to deal with the influx of dead bodies that have overtaken morgues, funeral homes, and cemeteries, the city will soon begin using a park for temporary burials, New York City Councilmember Mark Levine announced Monday.

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Levine, the chair of the council's health committee, explained in a Monday tweet thread how the city's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner is "now dealing with the equivalent of an ongoing 9/11." Deaths in hospitals are dramatically rising, but so are the numbers of deaths in homes; 20–25 people are usually reported dead in their homes every day in New York City, but that's risen to 200–215. Overall daily death counts have also doubled.
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So to avoid "scenes like those in Italy" where bodies have been found on the streets, New York City will likely soon use a park for "temporary interment" where "trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line," Levine wrote.


New York City's death toll from coronavirus was nearing 2,500 as of Sunday morning, though Levine noted that a lack of testing means that number is surely an undercount. Kathryn Krawczyk


Cuomo just denied this.
 

Doomer Doug

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Authorities in New York City may soon start temporarily burying bodies in parks as the city grapples with overrun morgues because of the coroanvirus crisis, city councilman Mark Levine said.

View: https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1247156159896748032


Levine also noted that the city is likely undercounting its coronavirus death toll because as many people are dying at home without receiving a test.

It is an interesting thread. Worth clicking through to see the rest of what he has to say. Truly apocalyptic scenes seem to be unfolding in New York City.


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See, my prediction about garbage bags and dumping them into the Atlantic doesn't sound so far out now. Exhuming them in a month or two? Seriously?:screw:
 


Italy reports 636 new deaths from Covid-19

There were 636 more deaths from coronavirus in Italy on Monday, 111 more than the number registered on Sunday, bringing the death toll in Italy to 16,523, Angela Giuffrida reports from Rome.

The number of current new infections increased by 1,941, a rise of 2% since Sunday and the lowest day-to-day rise registered since 30 March. For the third day in a row, there was a decrease in the number of intensive care beds in use.

The total number of coronavirus cases in Italy to date, including deaths and 22,837 people recovered, stood at 132,547 as of Monday, according to figures from Italy’s civil protection authority.

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Weekend figures are usually reported lower, seems universal.

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Mixin

Veteran Member
Indiana: Delaware County = Muncie
What a novel way to keep your numbers down; just ship potential cases to another county. smh...

Delaware County halts transfer in of possible COVID-19 residents
Seth Slabaugh, Muncie Star Press
Published 7:45 p.m. ET April 4, 2020 | Updated 8:04 p.m. ET April 4, 2020

MUNCIE, Ind. — Delaware County Health Officer Dr. Donna Wilkins is taking steps to prevent residents from out-of-county nursing homes that have experienced outbreaks of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) from being transferred into Delaware County. Several nursing facilities in neighboring Madison County have been hit with COVID-19.

"People are kind of running scared, and they're trying to help their public relations by transferring people out," Dr. Troy Abbot, president of the Madison County Board of Health, told The Star Press. "I think it's a bad idea."

He said a significant number of nursing home residents are being transferred out of Madison County because they have no symptoms and have been isolated from fellow residents.

But "everybody is sick unless proven otherwise," Abbott said. "They may look well but have not been tested," Wilkins said in an interview Saturday night.

As a result, she issued an order to abate "an unlawful condition."

The order reads in part:

"The Delaware County Health Officer has received notification that nursing home, assisted living or other similar providers may be moving residents into facilities in Delaware County from facilities out of county where some of the population has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus; and

"These same residents that could be moved are not being tested, testing is inadequate or inconclusive which may contribute to transmitting, generating or promoting the novel Coronavirus disease among the residents of these facilities in Delaware County.

"IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED BY THE DELAWARE COUNTY HEALTH OFFICER THAT AN ORDER OF ABATEMENT SHALL BE ISSUED IMMEDIATELY AND SHALL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL RESCINDED BY THE HEALTH OFFICER AS FOLLOWS:

"No person shall be transferred from a nursing home, assisted living or similar facility in any other county, state or country into a facility located in Delaware County, IN."

Nursing homes have become "a hotbed for the virus," Wilkins told The Star Press.

Madison County officials declined to name any facilities involved in the transfers, but Wilkins said she already has spoken to the Morrison Woods Health Campus in Muncie about the issue. She said the facility was cooperating. "We are keeping them out of our county," Wilkins said. "Nobody has transferred here yet."

The Muncie facility is part of Louisville-based Trilogy Health Services, which has 64 locations in Indiana, 32 in Ohio, 14 in Michigan and 15 in Kentucky, according to its website. They include one facility in Anderson, two in Henry County, four in Hamilton County and Morrison Woods in Muncie.

The Star Press has been unable to reach Trilogy for comment.

The two health officers believe nursing home residents from Madison County are going to be transferred to facilities in Hamilton and Henry County.

As of midnight Friday, Madison County had 72 positive cases and nine deaths, compared to 33 positive tests and one death in Delaware County, eight positive tests and no deaths in Henry County, and 265 cases and four deaths in Hamilton County.

If a facility has a COVID-19 outbreak, it should be contained in that facility, not transported from one county to the next, "causing headaches in the next county," Abbott said.

Contact Seth Slabaugh at (765) 213-5834 or seths@muncie.gannett.com

 

Mixin

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Some random cases I've been following:

From Mar 25 to April 6; (April 2 and 5 are missing = **)
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Lake 19 - 31- 47 - 68 - 85 - 97 - 146 - 180 ** 224 - 313 ** 369 = 8 Deaths and 2000 Tests
St Joseph 19 - 21- 27 - 31 - 32 - 36 - 49 - 57 ** 72 - 89 ** 112 = 1 Death and 372 Tests
Hamilton 30 - 40 - 52 - 64 - 83 - 106 - 127 - 179 ** 220 - 265 ** 335 = 5 Deaths and 1317 Tests
Hendricks 15 - 21 - 28 - 36 - 48 - 58 - 70 - 91 ** 138 - 163 ** 196 = 5 Deaths and 738 Tests
Marion: 226 - 293 - 484 - 584 - 676 - 804 - 964 - 1117 ** 1429 - 1570 ** 1956 = 41 Deaths and 9503 Tests
Johnson 24 - 36 - 42 - 52 - 71 - 81 - 101 - 118 ** 136 - 153 ** 195 = 6 Deaths and 1067 Tests
Decatur: 7 - 13 - 26 - 30 - 40 - 42 - 47 - 48 ** 70 - 79 ** 90 = 5 Deaths and 131 Tests
Franklin 7 - 13 - 21 - 23 - 26 - 28 - 35 - 39 ** 48 - 50 ** 55 = 6 Deaths and 102 Tests
Ripley 7 - 11 - 14 - 15 - 19 - 25 - 31 - 33 ** 47 - 51 ** 70 = 2 Deaths and 171 Tests
Clark 6 - 10 - 12 - 18 - 20 - 27 - 33 - 38 ** 55 - 61 ** 71 = 4 Deaths and 352 Tests

Other counties of interest
Madison: 101 Cases, 9 Deaths and 398 Tests = Pendleton Correctional and Bethany Pointe
Franklin: 55 Cases, 6 Deaths and 102 Tests = home of Otterbein Franklin SeniorLife
Lawrence: 36, 5, 125 Three residents of Mitchell Manor, a nursing home in Lawrence County, have died
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
See, my prediction about garbage bags and dumping them into the Atlantic doesn't sound so far out now. Exhuming them in a month or two? Seriously?:screw:
Seems like a waste of time. But hey its probably lining some unions pockets.
Find a existing commercial frozen goods type warehouse and put them in there till this resolves.
Better of freezing them now then handling a decomposing body latter.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
Farmington Hills toddler survives COVID-19 after 106 fever, parents say

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Farmington Hills — They didn't believe the thermometer's bright red screen: 106.5 degrees.

Amanda May and Ryan Schreiber were staring at their precious blonde-hair, blue-eyed 1-year-old boy in shock.

Then they began to panic.

"Give me your forehead," Amanda May demanded of Ryan. "I promise you we checked it 10 times using two different thermometers and checking it on ourselves, too."

Ryan was 98 degrees. She was 97. But Luke ... "Luke was 106.5!" Amanda May said.

The Farmington Hills couple recounted the ordeal from last month to The Detroit News as a cautionary tale about the novel coronavirus.

They say they'll never forget it. The family had just been watching "Frozen" — again — in their living room on an ordinary Tuesday. Then Luke's fever spiked, and they were frantically headed to the emergency room.

"He looked like he was passing out, I’m doing songs and acting crazy in the car and he just wasn’t responsive," said Amanda May, 31.

"It was one of the scariest moments of my life."

The couple had been checking their two sons' temperatures daily since the family began quarantining on March 13 in response to the coronavirus outbreak. On this particular Tuesday, both 22-month-old Luke and his 4-month-old brother, Alistair, had slight fevers.

"Luke woke up crying, which he never usually does, and he had a fever close to 103, a little more than Alistair's," she said.

"... I immediately thought 'oh no,' but we didn't panic. We got them up, gave them Motrin and the fevers reduced quickly, so we hoped it was nothing to worry about.

Hours later, Ryan, 35, was sitting on the couch with Alistair while Luke was shooting hoops and goofing around. When it was time for the next dose of medicine, they noticed Luke's blonde hair covered in sweat.

"Even after his nap, he was still playing but refused eating and drinking," Amanda May said. "In about an hour’s time, this fever spiked like I had never seen."

They stripped Luke down, got him in a cold bathtub and put cold compresses on his head. He was shaking and shivering.

"Luke started screaming because it was cold, and we were obviously really scared because it all happened really quickly," Ryan said. "In that quick moment of panic, you know you have to jump in action."

Amanda May rushed Luke to the car for the 11-mile ride to the hospital, while Ryan stayed behind to care for young Alistair.

"As soon as they got to the hospital, I was a little stunned because I thought we had been doing all the right things all along," said Ryan of protecting themselves from the virus.

Amanda May said she couldn't head into the emergency room at Beaumont's Royal Oak hospital like normal. After parking, she and her child waited in line outside. She urged others seeking care that she had an emergency and flagged down medics who rushed her inside holding Luke. They quickly placed ice packs under his armpits and took him for a chest X-ray.

"The longer it went — she kept updating me that (doctors) really think it is coronavirus — I started to get more concerned, and you feel a sense of helplessness because there's only so much you can do as a parent when you see your kids like that," Ryan said.

With an IV administering five liters of fluid, two rounds of medicine and suppositories, Luke's temperature dropped to 104.5 nearly six hours later. By morning, his fever had dropped to 101. Luke showed no signs of pneumonia and his oxygen levels were perfect, his parents said.

Within 24 hours, Luke's COVID-19 test result returned. Positive.

Still, after Luke's sweating decreased and his fever remained steady at 101, doctors offered the family the option of going home due to the hospital "being a Petri dish" with a handful of cases of influenza and H1N1 that would compromise Luke's already-vulnerable immune system, they said.

Luke tested negative for all other infections and, as of Sunday, Luke's fever is near normal with the help of Tylenol and Motrin. Amanda May has had a fever and has been resting through the weekend, Ryan said.

Ryan and Amanda May don't dwell on the thought of what would have happened if they hadn't acted as quickly as they did. They say they're just happy to be home.

"Doctors told us that with that temperature, any longer before bringing him into the hospital he's at a much higher risk for seizure and brain damage," Ryan said. "There's a lot of people who are, unfortunately, losing loved ones, and as long as we can keep Luke healthy, we're lucky."

Dr. Rudolph Valentini, Chief Medical Officer at Children’s Hospital of Michigan, told The Detroit News not many children have been hospitalized due to the virus.

"The children we're seeing are mildly symptomatic with low-grade and moderate fevers or a slight cough and most of the time they don't go to the hospital," Valentini said. "As long as they're well hydrated and not vomiting, parents are opting-in to staying at home.

"It's much worse for adults who are seeking care. We anticipate about 20% of adults are going to be pretty affected and we're not really seeing that spread of activity in pediatric," he added.

They hospital is recommending a face covering for children under 2-years-old because they can't control their sneezes and coughs in public. Most children tend to do well at home, but co-infections can be worrisome, he said.

"About 10-20% of patients have more than one infections and it will be additive to their sickness," Valentini said.

"Everyone's immune system can be a little bit different. Children are underdeveloped and those that catch a mild form of COVID-19 are mostly otherwise healthy. We just don't want them mingling with their grandparents, who are more at risk."

The family's plan is to quarantine, like they were, until all symptoms disappear and likely, much longer to be safe.

But they still wonder where Luke contracted the virus. The family began quarantining and working from home on March 13, more than 10 days before Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's March 24 "Stay Home. Stay Safe. Save Lives" order.

Ryan says they keep things clean since Amanda May is a cancer survivor and still has a compromised immune system.

"It's important to stay vigilant," he said. "We thought we were doing everything that we could to prevent it. We were washing surfaces, we were cleaning hands, leaving mail and packages in the garage, and Luke still got it."

Amanda May says although a positive test might be some parent's worst fear right now, it's best not to panic but rather be prepared.

"It's tough not to worry, but I suggest parents check their children's temperatures every day, if not every hour if possible. That spike came out of nowhere, and you don't want to miss it."

I thought Motrin (ibuprofen) was not to be given because the virus thrived on it and made it worse!

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Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
"daily coronavirus testing for every citizen, and we publicly display badges showing if we tested negative or positive."

BTW, lets remember . . . this guy is head of the St Louis Federal Reserve . . . he is one of the guys in charge of the money!!!!
Note: His title is CEO not the title for a government official.
The Federal reserve is privately owned not government.

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Allotrope

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I really question the government's response to this crisis. If they are not hiding some facts or expectations, their policies are flawed, emotional, and detrimental to society.

If there are 100,000 to 200,00 fatalities, mostly skewed to the elderly, from this virus and the average is 10 years of life lost each, that is 1 million to 2 million life-years lost.

With the great stress, economic loss, permanent job loss, and all the other effects, 20 million unemployed will probably have their lives shortened an average of two to three years from the fallout resulting in 40 to 60 million life-years lost.

Overall for the nation, 300 million people will have their life expectancy decreased by one or two years resulting in 300 to 600 million life years lost.

Unlike money whose future value is less than present value, life-years future value to society is usually higher than present value because of increases in productivity, communication, transportation, energy generation, and technology. The government is willing to pay 600 million life-years in the future for 2 million life-years now. Is this the way you want your country run?

Certainly there should be social distancing, mask wearing, closure of very large assemblies of people, and many other reasonable precautions but 95% of the businesses could be reopened and school and most other activities could recommence. Today’s policies are a cure much worse and more deadly than the disease.

Yes, my numbers are all drawn out of thin air, and there can be rational disagreements about when and what to reopen, but I thought I would be controversial today.
 
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Michigan governor: "We are running dangerously low on PPE"

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer told reporters that the state is running dangerously low on personal protective equipment, also called PPE.

Gov. Whitmer said that there are less than three days left until face shields run out and less than 6 days until surgical gowns run out at all three of those health systems. She added that these data points do not include private donations that are going straight to hospitals.

“We are doing everything that we can at the state level to secure more personal protection equipment. Today we will begin distributing 1.2 million surgical masks that the state has procured on the open market,” Whitmer said.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has sent 400 ventilators, 1.1 million surgical masks, 232,000 face shields and 2 million gloves. “FEMA will be shipping 1 million more N95 masks to Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties this week,” the governor said.

The state is working with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Michigan National Guard to get the TCF Convention Center in Detroit up and running to see patients by Friday.

The governor added that Ford and the United Autoworkers have donated thousands of face shields to Michigan hospitals and the state issued the purchase of 1 million face shields from Ford to be delivered over the next 3 weeks.
“We’re making some progress, and that is a good thing, but we need more PPE to continue fighting this virus,” Whitmer said.
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A very strange photo.

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Data's evil step sister.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is something that we have been talking about here for going on six weeks now. Why do we see these things and so many of the potentates are still scratching their heads? The information has been widely disseminated. The cardiac muscle is full of ACE-2 receptors that this virus loves.



How COVID-10 is affecting cardiology: ACE2 fears and cath lab curbs
An analysis of comorbidities in three series of COVID-19 cases from Wuhan in China supports an association between increased expression of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and more severe and fatal disease. The correspondence, published in Lancet Respiratory Medicine, said the most frequent comorbidities reported in patients with COVID-19 were often treated with ACE inhibitors. The ...







Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?


The most distinctive comorbidities of 32 non-survivors from a group of 52 intensive care unit patients with novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the study by Xiaobo Yang and colleagues
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were cerebrovascular diseases (22%) and diabetes (22%). Another study
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included 1099 patients with confirmed COVID-19, of whom 173 had severe disease with comorbidities of hypertension (23·7%), diabetes mellitus (16·2%), coronary heart diseases (5·8%), and cerebrovascular disease (2·3%). In a third study,
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of 140 patients who were admitted to hospital with COVID-19, 30% had hypertension and 12% had diabetes. Notably, the most frequent comorbidities reported in these three studies of patients with COVID-19 are often treated with angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors;



Why are the potentates still scratching their heads after we've been informed for 6-8 weeks?

My theory: Normalcy bias and reliance on accepted authority. They aren't spending their time on a wild-n-woolly forum with news-gatherers, bunkers and de-bunkers, listening to multiple points of view, rejecting some, exploring some, and finally coming to a gestalt of the situation at hand.

No, instead they rely on the type and quantity of initials after a persons' name, i.e. PhD, MD; titles such as Secretary, Assistant Secretary and Czar, and trying to follow chains of command, because their jobs and social status depends on it.

Ever tried to discuss something you read 'on the internet' with your doctor? What reaction did you get?

If you're lucky, they may have listened to your issue, and explained either why or why not it was related to your case. If you weren't lucky, it was rejected out of hand or ignored.

They are taught to rely on trusted authority. The WHO, the CDC, the NIH. The Poobahs and Potentates.

The Potentates have been listening to 'their people' (i.e. their subordinates) and other Poobahs and Potentates. They've not been reading a wild-n-woolly forum on the internet. And, would you really want them to be? Not necessary, right?

No offense to any people in the Medical field here who actually take what they read here back to work - I think you're exceptional, open minded and willing to think outside the box in search of solutions, and bless you all for your willingness to take your time and share good info with us... Thank You all!

This forum can be a huge time sink, but this is an instance where it can give an advantage in seeing things, 'through a lens, darkly', a bit before it becomes understood by the rest of the herd.
 

jward

passin' thru
Last updated: April 06, 2020, 18:21 GMT

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United States

Coronavirus Cases:

356,414

Deaths:
10,490

Recovered:
19,247
 

jward

passin' thru
Last updated: April 06, 2020, 18:21 GMT
USA
State
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Active
Cases
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
Source
Wyoming210+101583613,9296,753[1] [2]
Wisconsin2,440+17377+92,3614221329,0145,021[1] [2] [3] [4]
West Virginia345+214+134118929,9405,435[1]
Washington7,9843387,0221,0954687,91112,052[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]
Virginia2,878+24154+32,822342623,6712,813[1]
Vermont543+3123+1520869376,63310,613[1]
Utah1,60581,586527330,89210,144[1]
USA Total356,414+19,74110,490+874326,6771,077321,850,5065,591
Texas7,276+231140+76,461261585,3573,061[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
Tennessee3,633443,294546745,3006,811[1] [2] [3] [4]
South Dakota288+48419333356,0206,965[1] [2]
South Carolina2,049442,005413918,9763,829[1]
Rhode Island92225887873248,1027,668[1] [2]
Pennsylvania12,980+1,470162+1212,7421,0151383,8546,556[1] [2] [3] [4]
Oregon1,068271,041262720,6245,052[1] [2] [3]
Oklahoma1,327+7551+5893339132,751702[1]
Ohio4,450+407142+234,3083821243,7563,758[1]
North Dakota225+18314829947,2139,589[1]
North Carolina2,901+23842+42,773286440,0453,943[1] [2]
New York130,689+7,6714,758+599112,5656,662243302,28015,408[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]
New Mexico62412558298616,9098,081[1]
New Jersey41,090+3,5851,003+8639,9954,62611389,03210,024[1] [2]
New Hampshire669951349878,3706,229[1] [2] [3]
Nevada1,953+117461,8716681620,7567,101[1] [2] [3]
Nebraska409+46840121546,7963,568[1] [2] [3]
Montana299+1626128766,7896,517[1] [2] [3]
Missouri2,36752+32,303389927,1734,462[1] [2]
Mississippi1,738+10051+81,6875821720,3706,816[1]
Minnesota986+5130+1486178528,1285,089[1] [2]
Michigan15,71861715,0321,5796245,7484,594[1] [2] [3]
Massachusetts12,50023112,2591,8303471,93710,532[1] [2]
Maryland4,045+43691+243,7706741529,6174,933[1]
Maine499+291033137486,5444,910[1] [2]
Louisiana14,867+1,857512+3514,3053,18811069,16614,831[1]
Kentucky955456042151018,7674,227[1] [2]
Kansas845+9825+382029199,0843,123[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
 

jward

passin' thru
Iowa 946 +78 25 +3 853 302810,841 3,461[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
Indiana 4,944 +533 139 +12 4,791 7452126,191 3,946[1] [2]
Illinois 11,256 274 10,932 8782158,983 4,600[1] [2] [3] [4]
Idaho 1,101 10 1,091 652610,261 6,079[1] [2] [3]
Hawaii 371 4 282 261313,314 9,363[1] [2]
Georgia 7,314 +572 229 +10 7,054 7102231,274 3,037[1] [2] [3]
Florida 13,324 +974 236 +15 12,988 64711116,898 5,675[1] [2]
District Of Columbia 1,097 +99 24 +2 815 1,603357,453 10,888[1]
Delaware 673 14 588 709156,994 7,366[1] [2] [3]
Connecticut 5,675 189 5,436 1,5855323,270 6,497[1] [2] [3]
Colorado 4,950 140 4,770 8952525,773 4,660[1]
California 15,240 +203 351 +4 13,989 3899116,533 2,977[1] [2]
Arkansas 854 +17 16 741 286511,780 3,939[1] [2]
Arizona 2,456 +187 65 +1 2,371 354932,534 4,683[1]
Alaska 185 6 164 25186,284 8,509[1] [2]
Alabama 1,927 +86 47 +2 1,860 3961014,765 3,035[1]
Guam 112 4 85 605 [1] [2] [3]
Northern Mariana Islands 8 1 7 33 [1]
Puerto Rico 513 +38 21 +1 488 15164,951 1,462[1] [2]
United States Virgin Islands 42 1 7 266 [1]
Wuhan Repatriated 3 3 3
Diamond Princess Cruise 46 46 46
Total:356,414+19,74110,490+874326,6771,077321,850,5065,591
 
New York City plans to temporarily bury coronavirus victims in a park

10:27 a.m.

New York City is looking more and more apocalyptic every day.

As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to claim lives in the U.S's coronavirus epicenter, every aspect of city's resources for managing the dead have been overloaded. So to deal with the influx of dead bodies that have overtaken morgues, funeral homes, and cemeteries, the city will soon begin using a park for temporary burials, New York City Councilmember Mark Levine announced Monday.

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Levine, the chair of the council's health committee, explained in a Monday tweet thread how the city's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner is "now dealing with the equivalent of an ongoing 9/11." Deaths in hospitals are dramatically rising, but so are the numbers of deaths in homes; 20–25 people are usually reported dead in their homes every day in New York City, but that's risen to 200–215. Overall daily death counts have also doubled.
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So to avoid "scenes like those in Italy" where bodies have been found on the streets, New York City will likely soon use a park for "temporary interment" where "trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line," Levine wrote.


New York City's death toll from coronavirus was nearing 2,500 as of Sunday morning, though Levine noted that a lack of testing means that number is surely an undercount. Kathryn Krawczyk

This and the resultant "photo op" will be used by the Left to terrorize people into their agenda
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
Yes it makes sense of course.

I've been away from the commercial construction for decades.
But way back when fear was ramping up about silica and other construction dusts from drilling concrete.
The issue back than was OSHA required training that was required to be given to an employee if you had to give them a respirator.
Dust masks or higher end versions of them required no training.

Stuff has probably changed but that was the gist of it.

Hospitals aren't going to spend money on training if they never have the respirators to give to staff.

Wait and see after this mess how many hospital employees keep there own stock of stuff. Either buying their own or slowly building a stash of miss appropriated hospital products.
You would not catch me in a hospital setting without the whole hood and par.
20 years ago when I worked in several nuclear power stations they would not let you wear a dust mask. If you though you needed a dust mask for a job you had to go to a full face respirator. Dust mask just don't give you the level of protection you need.
 
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