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Just so, looks like we're about to make the same mistake the Chinese did, rushing back too soon.
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Hfcomms
EN66iq
Rock - Hard Place.
I don't envy anybody. What a tragedy.
I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. On one hand medical types know that the possibility exists that they might be thrust into harms way and they are going to be working around very infectious people at some point in their career. But they went into that line of work assuming that they would be provided the basic protective equipment needed to operate in such an environment. And now they are put in that environment either without the PPE or forced to use single use PPE multiple times thereby not only threatening their own health but their family. And then in some instances told not to wear their gear as it might 'alarm' the patients. They didn't sign up for that.
When I went into the Army likewise I knew at some point that I would most likely be put into harms way and I knew that at the beginning and so does everybody that goes into the military. However, I was never asked to go into that environment without my weapons, ammunition and support services and my own PPE [mopp gear, protective masks, etc] so I had everything that I was supposed to have. In many cases the medical professionals don't.
Seems to me these employees who are being threatened have legal remedy if their management is forcing them to work in an unsafe environment. Except I don't know how that works under declared state of emergency whether or not the employee protection causes are lifted. Still sucks though.
Huh? Everything I have read on this forum argues that TPTB were going to great lengths to keep the sheep from being riled up. They change their policy?
mzkitty
I give up.
No, they didn't, but underneath the calm veneer of cooperation and going along with this, the sheep in their hearts (and everybody else) ARE riled up. We don't like it. No, sir, we don't.
mzkitty
I give up.
They may, according to what I read yesterday. Their numbers keep going up.
desertvet2
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danielboon
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23 veterans now dead at Soldiers’ Home in Holyoke, 18 staff members test positive for COVID-19 23 veterans now dead at Soldiers’ Home in Holyoke, 18 staff members test positive for COVID-19
mzkitty
I give up.
More people getting their butts whooped:
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So what do they do with the rest of them?
Mortgage industry on the brink of collapse
The mortgage market is on the brink of collapse as thousands of borrowers suddenly pour into the government bailout without any proof of any hardship. CNBC's Diana Olick reports.
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Mortgage industry on the brink of collapse
The mortgage market is on the brink of collapse as thousands of borrowers suddenly pour into the government bailout without any proof of any hardship. CNBC's Diana Olick reports.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Sweden's liberal pandemic strategy questioned as Stockholm death toll mounts
By Johan Ahlander and Philip O'Connor
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - A spike in novel coronavirus infections and deaths in Stockholm has raised questions about Sweden's decision to fight the outbreak without resorting to the lockdowns that have left much of Europe at a standstill.
Governments across Europe have closed schools and taken draconian measures to limit exposure to possible carriers with Germany for example enforcing bans on more than two people meeting in public.
Among Sweden's Nordic neighbours, Denmark has closed its borders and shut its schools, as has Norway, while Finland has isolated its main urban region.
Yet Swedes are able to go to restaurants, get a haircut and send their children to school even as the number of confirmed cases and deaths have mounted, above all in Stockholm which accounts for more than half the fatalities.
An analysis of smartphone location data showed that while visits to public places has fallen steeply in most European countries, Sweden is bucking the trend.
But Sweden's liberal approach, which aims to minimise disruption to social and economic life, is coming under fire as the epidemic spreads in the capital.
"We don't have a choice, we have to close Stockholm right now," Cecilia Soderberg-Naucler, Professor of Microbial Pathogenesis at the Karolinska Institute, told Reuters.
She is one of around 2,300 academics who signed an open letter to the government at the end of last month calling for tougher measures to protect the healthcare system.
"We must establish control over the situation, we cannot head in to a situation where we get complete chaos. No one has tried this route, so why should we test it first in Sweden, without informed consent?" she said.
Sweden reported 612 new cases on Friday, bringing the total to around 6,000. The death toll has reached 333, with fatalities now running at about 25-30 a day, according to the Swedish Health Agency.
A STORM IN STOCKHOLM
There are growing signs the virus is spreading at elderly care homes, again mainly in the capital, where some staff at hospitals and nursing homes have publicly warned of a lack of protective equipment such as masks.
Facing what a local official has called "a storm" of COVID-19 cases, Stockholm has opened a field hospital at a convention complex south of the city centre and called on anyone with medical training to help care for the sick.
At a news conference this week centre-left Prime Minister Stefan Lofven fielded questions over whether the rising number of cases at Sweden's nursing homes was evidence of a failing strategy.
"I don't think it is a sign of that. This is what things look like around Europe," he said. "We have said all along that things will get worse before they get better."
Sweden has focused on isolating and treating the sick rather than closing down swathes of society.
Gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned, high schools and universities have moved teaching online and people have been told not to take unnecessary trips, all quite low-key measures in a European context.
The public face of Sweden's pandemic fight, Health Agency Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, only months ago a little known civil servant but now rivalling the prime minister for publicity, has questioned how effectively lockdowns can be enforced over time.
"It is important to have a policy that can be sustained over a longer period, meaning staying home if you are sick, which is our message," said Tegnell, who has received both threats and fan mail over the country's handling of the crisis.
"Locking people up at home won't work in the longer term," he said. "Sooner or later people are going to go out anyway."
Sweden's liberal pandemic strategy questioned as Stockholm death toll mounts
A spike in novel coronavirus infections and deaths in Stockholm has raised questions about Sweden's decision to fight the outbreak without resorting to the lockdowns that have left much of Europe at a standstill.
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Hfcomms
EN66iq
If you will note Sweden is at 47 deaths per million in population and the U.S. is at 29 deaths per million in population. (Second column before the end)
mzkitty
I give up.
Sweden, but it's 3 days old now:
Prepare for the mother of all s**t storms if Sweden pulls this off
If Sweden, which has not locked down its economy and society, emerges with a death toll from COVID-19 that is somewhere in the middle of the pack of European countries, there is going to be a lot of recrimination, particularly against those who have tried to silence any discussion about the true extent of the threat that COVID-19 actually poses
On 3 April 2020 08:36
In a word: Sweden. What happens if they pull this off? What happens if it turns out that we could have coped with COVID-19 without collapsing entire sectors of the economy putting millions on the dole, and imposing some of the most draconian restrictions on civil liberties in living memory?
Sweden has not closed the bars. Shopping malls are open. Schools and companies are open too. There are some restrictions such as on gatherings of over 50 people. But, in comparison with most European countries, life in Sweden is relatively normal.
Right now, Sweden's death rate from coronavirus is 33 per million of the population. In France it is 83. In Italy it is 230. In Britain it is 43. In the Netherlands it is 78.
In the United States the number of deaths per million of the population is 18, but many argue that the outbreak in America took off later, and European levels of fatality from the virus are on their way. We shall see.
But, in any case, which levels of European fatality? The figures are all over the place. Partly this must be due to different ways in which the death toll is being counted.
In some countries, COVID-19 is being listed as the cause of death merely if it appears somewhere on the death certificate. In other words, you may have been days away from dying from terminal lung cancer, but if you had contracted COVID-19 in the meantime, your death will be listed in the overall COVID-19 fatality numbers. In other countries, it has to have been the single most obvious cause of death to make it into the same statistics.
Sweden appears to be in the latter category, which may be making their numbers look a little lower than in countries which list things differently. But probably not enough to radically change the comparisons.
Prepare for the mother of all s**t storms if Sweden pulls this off - The Commentator
If Sweden, which has not locked down its economy and society, emerges with a death toll from COVID-19 that is somewhere in the middle of the pack of European countries, there is going to be a lot of recrimination, particularly against those who have tried to silence any discussion about the true...
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Obviously there are differences between nations but we will have a rather valid comparison between those that have locked down and those that have not.
coalcracker
Veteran Member
Reality is unrelenting.
UK tried to ignore it.
Sweden tried to ignore it.
Japan grasped their 2020 olympics and tried to wish the virus away.
Eventually Reality prevails.
I guess we have a better chance of seeing a unicorn than we have of hearing the hopium-addicted people eventually say,
"We were wrong."
By the end of May we should have a clear enough picture.
UK tried to ignore it.
Sweden tried to ignore it.
Japan grasped their 2020 olympics and tried to wish the virus away.
Eventually Reality prevails.
I guess we have a better chance of seeing a unicorn than we have of hearing the hopium-addicted people eventually say,
"We were wrong."
By the end of May we should have a clear enough picture.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Farmington Hills toddler survives COVID-19 after 106 fever, parents say
Farmington Hills — They didn't believe the thermometer's bright red screen: 106.5 degrees.
Amanda May and Ryan Schreiber were staring at their precious blonde-hair, blue-eyed 1-year-old boy in shock.
Then they began to panic.
"Give me your forehead," Amanda May demanded of Ryan. "I promise you we checked it 10 times using two different thermometers and checking it on ourselves, too."
Ryan was 98 degrees. She was 97. But Luke ... "Luke was 106.5!" Amanda May said.
The Farmington Hills couple recounted the ordeal from last month to The Detroit News as a cautionary tale about the novel coronavirus.
They say they'll never forget it. The family had just been watching "Frozen" — again — in their living room on an ordinary Tuesday. Then Luke's fever spiked, and they were frantically headed to the emergency room.
"He looked like he was passing out, I’m doing songs and acting crazy in the car and he just wasn’t responsive," said Amanda May, 31.
"It was one of the scariest moments of my life."
The couple had been checking their two sons' temperatures daily since the family began quarantining on March 13 in response to the coronavirus outbreak. On this particular Tuesday, both 22-month-old Luke and his 4-month-old brother, Alistair, had slight fevers.
"Luke woke up crying, which he never usually does, and he had a fever close to 103, a little more than Alistair's," she said.
"... I immediately thought 'oh no,' but we didn't panic. We got them up, gave them Motrin and the fevers reduced quickly, so we hoped it was nothing to worry about.
Hours later, Ryan, 35, was sitting on the couch with Alistair while Luke was shooting hoops and goofing around. When it was time for the next dose of medicine, they noticed Luke's blonde hair covered in sweat.
"Even after his nap, he was still playing but refused eating and drinking," Amanda May said. "In about an hour’s time, this fever spiked like I had never seen."
They stripped Luke down, got him in a cold bathtub and put cold compresses on his head. He was shaking and shivering.
"Luke started screaming because it was cold, and we were obviously really scared because it all happened really quickly," Ryan said. "In that quick moment of panic, you know you have to jump in action."
Amanda May rushed Luke to the car for the 11-mile ride to the hospital, while Ryan stayed behind to care for young Alistair.
"As soon as they got to the hospital, I was a little stunned because I thought we had been doing all the right things all along," said Ryan of protecting themselves from the virus.
Amanda May said she couldn't head into the emergency room at Beaumont's Royal Oak hospital like normal. After parking, she and her child waited in line outside. She urged others seeking care that she had an emergency and flagged down medics who rushed her inside holding Luke. They quickly placed ice packs under his armpits and took him for a chest X-ray.
"The longer it went — she kept updating me that (doctors) really think it is coronavirus — I started to get more concerned, and you feel a sense of helplessness because there's only so much you can do as a parent when you see your kids like that," Ryan said.
With an IV administering five liters of fluid, two rounds of medicine and suppositories, Luke's temperature dropped to 104.5 nearly six hours later. By morning, his fever had dropped to 101. Luke showed no signs of pneumonia and his oxygen levels were perfect, his parents said.
Within 24 hours, Luke's COVID-19 test result returned. Positive.
Still, after Luke's sweating decreased and his fever remained steady at 101, doctors offered the family the option of going home due to the hospital "being a Petri dish" with a handful of cases of influenza and H1N1 that would compromise Luke's already-vulnerable immune system, they said.
Luke tested negative for all other infections and, as of Sunday, Luke's fever is near normal with the help of Tylenol and Motrin. Amanda May has had a fever and has been resting through the weekend, Ryan said.
Ryan and Amanda May don't dwell on the thought of what would have happened if they hadn't acted as quickly as they did. They say they're just happy to be home.
"Doctors told us that with that temperature, any longer before bringing him into the hospital he's at a much higher risk for seizure and brain damage," Ryan said. "There's a lot of people who are, unfortunately, losing loved ones, and as long as we can keep Luke healthy, we're lucky."
Dr. Rudolph Valentini, Chief Medical Officer at Children’s Hospital of Michigan, told The Detroit News not many children have been hospitalized due to the virus.
"The children we're seeing are mildly symptomatic with low-grade and moderate fevers or a slight cough and most of the time they don't go to the hospital," Valentini said. "As long as they're well hydrated and not vomiting, parents are opting-in to staying at home.
"It's much worse for adults who are seeking care. We anticipate about 20% of adults are going to be pretty affected and we're not really seeing that spread of activity in pediatric," he added.
They hospital is recommending a face covering for children under 2-years-old because they can't control their sneezes and coughs in public. Most children tend to do well at home, but co-infections can be worrisome, he said.
"About 10-20% of patients have more than one infections and it will be additive to their sickness," Valentini said.
"Everyone's immune system can be a little bit different. Children are underdeveloped and those that catch a mild form of COVID-19 are mostly otherwise healthy. We just don't want them mingling with their grandparents, who are more at risk."
The family's plan is to quarantine, like they were, until all symptoms disappear and likely, much longer to be safe.
But they still wonder where Luke contracted the virus. The family began quarantining and working from home on March 13, more than 10 days before Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's March 24 "Stay Home. Stay Safe. Save Lives" order.
Ryan says they keep things clean since Amanda May is a cancer survivor and still has a compromised immune system.
"It's important to stay vigilant," he said. "We thought we were doing everything that we could to prevent it. We were washing surfaces, we were cleaning hands, leaving mail and packages in the garage, and Luke still got it."
Amanda May says although a positive test might be some parent's worst fear right now, it's best not to panic but rather be prepared.
"It's tough not to worry, but I suggest parents check their children's temperatures every day, if not every hour if possible. That spike came out of nowhere, and you don't want to miss it."
Farmington Hills — They didn't believe the thermometer's bright red screen: 106.5 degrees.
Amanda May and Ryan Schreiber were staring at their precious blonde-hair, blue-eyed 1-year-old boy in shock.
Then they began to panic.
"Give me your forehead," Amanda May demanded of Ryan. "I promise you we checked it 10 times using two different thermometers and checking it on ourselves, too."
Ryan was 98 degrees. She was 97. But Luke ... "Luke was 106.5!" Amanda May said.
The Farmington Hills couple recounted the ordeal from last month to The Detroit News as a cautionary tale about the novel coronavirus.
They say they'll never forget it. The family had just been watching "Frozen" — again — in their living room on an ordinary Tuesday. Then Luke's fever spiked, and they were frantically headed to the emergency room.
"He looked like he was passing out, I’m doing songs and acting crazy in the car and he just wasn’t responsive," said Amanda May, 31.
"It was one of the scariest moments of my life."
The couple had been checking their two sons' temperatures daily since the family began quarantining on March 13 in response to the coronavirus outbreak. On this particular Tuesday, both 22-month-old Luke and his 4-month-old brother, Alistair, had slight fevers.
"Luke woke up crying, which he never usually does, and he had a fever close to 103, a little more than Alistair's," she said.
"... I immediately thought 'oh no,' but we didn't panic. We got them up, gave them Motrin and the fevers reduced quickly, so we hoped it was nothing to worry about.
Hours later, Ryan, 35, was sitting on the couch with Alistair while Luke was shooting hoops and goofing around. When it was time for the next dose of medicine, they noticed Luke's blonde hair covered in sweat.
"Even after his nap, he was still playing but refused eating and drinking," Amanda May said. "In about an hour’s time, this fever spiked like I had never seen."
They stripped Luke down, got him in a cold bathtub and put cold compresses on his head. He was shaking and shivering.
"Luke started screaming because it was cold, and we were obviously really scared because it all happened really quickly," Ryan said. "In that quick moment of panic, you know you have to jump in action."
Amanda May rushed Luke to the car for the 11-mile ride to the hospital, while Ryan stayed behind to care for young Alistair.
"As soon as they got to the hospital, I was a little stunned because I thought we had been doing all the right things all along," said Ryan of protecting themselves from the virus.
Amanda May said she couldn't head into the emergency room at Beaumont's Royal Oak hospital like normal. After parking, she and her child waited in line outside. She urged others seeking care that she had an emergency and flagged down medics who rushed her inside holding Luke. They quickly placed ice packs under his armpits and took him for a chest X-ray.
"The longer it went — she kept updating me that (doctors) really think it is coronavirus — I started to get more concerned, and you feel a sense of helplessness because there's only so much you can do as a parent when you see your kids like that," Ryan said.
With an IV administering five liters of fluid, two rounds of medicine and suppositories, Luke's temperature dropped to 104.5 nearly six hours later. By morning, his fever had dropped to 101. Luke showed no signs of pneumonia and his oxygen levels were perfect, his parents said.
Within 24 hours, Luke's COVID-19 test result returned. Positive.
Still, after Luke's sweating decreased and his fever remained steady at 101, doctors offered the family the option of going home due to the hospital "being a Petri dish" with a handful of cases of influenza and H1N1 that would compromise Luke's already-vulnerable immune system, they said.
Luke tested negative for all other infections and, as of Sunday, Luke's fever is near normal with the help of Tylenol and Motrin. Amanda May has had a fever and has been resting through the weekend, Ryan said.
Ryan and Amanda May don't dwell on the thought of what would have happened if they hadn't acted as quickly as they did. They say they're just happy to be home.
"Doctors told us that with that temperature, any longer before bringing him into the hospital he's at a much higher risk for seizure and brain damage," Ryan said. "There's a lot of people who are, unfortunately, losing loved ones, and as long as we can keep Luke healthy, we're lucky."
Dr. Rudolph Valentini, Chief Medical Officer at Children’s Hospital of Michigan, told The Detroit News not many children have been hospitalized due to the virus.
"The children we're seeing are mildly symptomatic with low-grade and moderate fevers or a slight cough and most of the time they don't go to the hospital," Valentini said. "As long as they're well hydrated and not vomiting, parents are opting-in to staying at home.
"It's much worse for adults who are seeking care. We anticipate about 20% of adults are going to be pretty affected and we're not really seeing that spread of activity in pediatric," he added.
They hospital is recommending a face covering for children under 2-years-old because they can't control their sneezes and coughs in public. Most children tend to do well at home, but co-infections can be worrisome, he said.
"About 10-20% of patients have more than one infections and it will be additive to their sickness," Valentini said.
"Everyone's immune system can be a little bit different. Children are underdeveloped and those that catch a mild form of COVID-19 are mostly otherwise healthy. We just don't want them mingling with their grandparents, who are more at risk."
The family's plan is to quarantine, like they were, until all symptoms disappear and likely, much longer to be safe.
But they still wonder where Luke contracted the virus. The family began quarantining and working from home on March 13, more than 10 days before Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's March 24 "Stay Home. Stay Safe. Save Lives" order.
Ryan says they keep things clean since Amanda May is a cancer survivor and still has a compromised immune system.
"It's important to stay vigilant," he said. "We thought we were doing everything that we could to prevent it. We were washing surfaces, we were cleaning hands, leaving mail and packages in the garage, and Luke still got it."
Amanda May says although a positive test might be some parent's worst fear right now, it's best not to panic but rather be prepared.
"It's tough not to worry, but I suggest parents check their children's temperatures every day, if not every hour if possible. That spike came out of nowhere, and you don't want to miss it."
Farmington Hills toddler survives COVID-19 after 106 fever, parents say
A Farmington Hills couple describes the scariest moments from watching "Frozen" in their living room to rushing to the ER
www.detroitnews.com
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients
While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.
In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.
As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.
That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.
“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde, the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”
Virus Or Illness?
The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.
“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow, a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”
But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.
Doctors have long known that any serious medical event, even something as straightforward as hip surgery, can create enough stress to damage the heart. Moreover, a condition like pneumonia can cause widespread inflammation in the body. That, in turn, can lead to plaque in arteries becoming unstable, causing heart attacks. Inflammation can also cause a condition known as myocarditis, which can lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and, ultimately, heart failure.
But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.
Initial Data From China
In March, doctors from China published two studies that gave the first glimpse at how prevalent cardiac problems were among patients with COVID-19 illness. The larger of the two studies looked at 416 hospitalized patients. The researchers found that 19% showed signs of heart damage. And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it.
Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.
It’s unclear why some patients experience more cardiac effects than others. Bonow said that could be due to a genetic predisposition or it could be because they’re exposed to higher viral loads.
Those uncertainties underscore the need for closer monitoring of cardiac markers in COVID-19 patients, Jorde said. If doctors in New York, Washington state and other hot spots can start to tease out how the virus is affecting the heart, they may be able to provide a risk score or other guidance to help clinicians manage COVID-19 patients in other parts of the country.
“We have to assume, maybe, that the virus affects the heart directly,” Jorde said. “But it’s essential to find out.”
Facing Obstacles
Gathering the data to do so amid the crisis, however, can be difficult. Ideally, doctors would take biopsies of the heart to determine whether the heart muscle is infected with the virus.
But COVID-19 patients are often so sick it’s difficult for them to undergo invasive procedures. And more testing could expose additional health care workers to the virus. Many hospitals aren’t using electrocardiograms on patients in isolation to avoid bringing additional staff into the room and using up limited masks or other protective equipment.
Still, Dr. Sahil Parikh, an interventional cardiologist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City, said hospitals are making a concerted effort to order the tests needed and to enter findings in medical records so they can sort out what’s going on with the heart.
“We all recognize that because we’re at the leading edge, for better or for worse, we need to try to compile information and use it to help advance the field,” he said.
Indeed, despite the surge in patients, doctors continue to gather data, compile trends and publish their findings in near real time. Parikh and several colleagues recently penned a compilation of what’s known about cardiac complications of COVID-19, making the article available online immediately and adding new findings before the article comes out in print.
Cardiologists in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sharing the latest COVID-19 information through a WhatsApp group that has at least 150 members. And even as New York hospitals are operating under crisis conditions, doctors are testing new drugs and treatments in clinical trials to ensure that what they have learned about the coronavirus can be shared elsewhere with scientific validity.
That work has already resulted in changes in the way hospitals deal with the cardiac implications of COVID-19. Doctors have found that the infection can mimic a heart attack. They have taken patients to the cardiac catheterization lab to clear a suspected blockage, only to find the patient wasn’t really experiencing a heart attack but had COVID-19.
For years, hospitals have rushed suspected heart attack patients directly to the catheterization lab, bypassing the emergency room, in an effort to shorten the time from when the patient enters the door to when doctors can clear the blockage with a balloon. Door-to-balloon time had become an important measure of how well hospitals treat heart attacks.
“We’re taking a step back from that now and thinking about having patients brought to the emergency department so they can get evaluated briefly, so that we could determine: Is this somebody who’s really at high risk for COVID-19?” Parikh said. “And is this manifestation that we’re calling a heart attack really a heart attack?”
New protocols now include bringing in a cardiologist and getting an EKG or an ultrasound to confirm a blockage.
“We’re doing that in large measure to protect the patient from what would be an otherwise unnecessary procedure,” Parikh said, “But also to help us decide which sort of level of personal protective equipment we would employ in the cath lab.”
Sorting out how the virus affects the heart should help doctors determine which therapies to pursue to keep patients alive.
Jorde said that after COVID-19 patients recover, they could have long-term effects from such heart damage. But, he said, treatments exist for various forms of heart damage that should be effective once the viral infection has cleared.
Still, that could require another wave of widespread health care demands after the pandemic has calmed.
khn.org
While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.
In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.
As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.
That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.
“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde, the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”
Virus Or Illness?
The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.
“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow, a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”
But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.
Doctors have long known that any serious medical event, even something as straightforward as hip surgery, can create enough stress to damage the heart. Moreover, a condition like pneumonia can cause widespread inflammation in the body. That, in turn, can lead to plaque in arteries becoming unstable, causing heart attacks. Inflammation can also cause a condition known as myocarditis, which can lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and, ultimately, heart failure.
But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.
Initial Data From China
In March, doctors from China published two studies that gave the first glimpse at how prevalent cardiac problems were among patients with COVID-19 illness. The larger of the two studies looked at 416 hospitalized patients. The researchers found that 19% showed signs of heart damage. And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it.
Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.
It’s unclear why some patients experience more cardiac effects than others. Bonow said that could be due to a genetic predisposition or it could be because they’re exposed to higher viral loads.
Those uncertainties underscore the need for closer monitoring of cardiac markers in COVID-19 patients, Jorde said. If doctors in New York, Washington state and other hot spots can start to tease out how the virus is affecting the heart, they may be able to provide a risk score or other guidance to help clinicians manage COVID-19 patients in other parts of the country.
“We have to assume, maybe, that the virus affects the heart directly,” Jorde said. “But it’s essential to find out.”
Facing Obstacles
Gathering the data to do so amid the crisis, however, can be difficult. Ideally, doctors would take biopsies of the heart to determine whether the heart muscle is infected with the virus.
But COVID-19 patients are often so sick it’s difficult for them to undergo invasive procedures. And more testing could expose additional health care workers to the virus. Many hospitals aren’t using electrocardiograms on patients in isolation to avoid bringing additional staff into the room and using up limited masks or other protective equipment.
Still, Dr. Sahil Parikh, an interventional cardiologist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City, said hospitals are making a concerted effort to order the tests needed and to enter findings in medical records so they can sort out what’s going on with the heart.
“We all recognize that because we’re at the leading edge, for better or for worse, we need to try to compile information and use it to help advance the field,” he said.
Indeed, despite the surge in patients, doctors continue to gather data, compile trends and publish their findings in near real time. Parikh and several colleagues recently penned a compilation of what’s known about cardiac complications of COVID-19, making the article available online immediately and adding new findings before the article comes out in print.
Cardiologists in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sharing the latest COVID-19 information through a WhatsApp group that has at least 150 members. And even as New York hospitals are operating under crisis conditions, doctors are testing new drugs and treatments in clinical trials to ensure that what they have learned about the coronavirus can be shared elsewhere with scientific validity.
That work has already resulted in changes in the way hospitals deal with the cardiac implications of COVID-19. Doctors have found that the infection can mimic a heart attack. They have taken patients to the cardiac catheterization lab to clear a suspected blockage, only to find the patient wasn’t really experiencing a heart attack but had COVID-19.
For years, hospitals have rushed suspected heart attack patients directly to the catheterization lab, bypassing the emergency room, in an effort to shorten the time from when the patient enters the door to when doctors can clear the blockage with a balloon. Door-to-balloon time had become an important measure of how well hospitals treat heart attacks.
“We’re taking a step back from that now and thinking about having patients brought to the emergency department so they can get evaluated briefly, so that we could determine: Is this somebody who’s really at high risk for COVID-19?” Parikh said. “And is this manifestation that we’re calling a heart attack really a heart attack?”
New protocols now include bringing in a cardiologist and getting an EKG or an ultrasound to confirm a blockage.
“We’re doing that in large measure to protect the patient from what would be an otherwise unnecessary procedure,” Parikh said, “But also to help us decide which sort of level of personal protective equipment we would employ in the cath lab.”
Sorting out how the virus affects the heart should help doctors determine which therapies to pursue to keep patients alive.
Jorde said that after COVID-19 patients recover, they could have long-term effects from such heart damage. But, he said, treatments exist for various forms of heart damage that should be effective once the viral infection has cleared.
Still, that could require another wave of widespread health care demands after the pandemic has calmed.
Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients - KFF Health News
Most of the attention in the COVID-19 pandemic has been on how the virus affects the lungs. But evidence shows that up to 1 in 5 hospitalized patients have signs of heart damage and many are dying due to heart problems.
khn.org
"daily coronavirus testing for every citizen, and we publicly display badges showing if we tested negative or positive."Will the badge be in the shape of a Star of David and have "Juden" printed on it? Is Gattaca next? Scary. File under: stuff you can't make up. I have to wonder if he even considered the optics before he opened his mouth?
There is video at the link in the article. He actually comes out and says this.
Fair use.
Ghoulish: St. Louis Federal Reserve Head Says Americans Should Be Tested for COVID-19 Daily And Forced To Display a Badge on Their Clothing with the Result
By Brock Simmons
Published April 5, 2020 at 10:22pm
In an era when the government is using cell phone data to track our movements, drones to enforce compliance of lockdown orders, thermal imaging to monitor social distancing, pastors are getting arrested for hosting church, and ankle bracelets to ensure people stay quarantined, a Federal Reserve official proposed today yet another surveillance plan; daily coronavirus testing for every citizen, and we publicly display badges showing if we tested negative or positive.
James Bullard, CEO of the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve, was recently on CBS’s Face The Nation with Margaret Brennan to talk about the state of the economy and what could be done to stem the outbreak of the virus. Toward the end of the interview, Bullard says,
“You know, I have good news for you, MARGARET, because we have a- there is a solution using available technology today to fix the economic part of this problem. The solution is universal testing. What you want is every single person to get tested every day. And then they would wear a badge like they would at a- after they voted or something like that to show that they’ve been tested. This would immediately sort out who’s been infected and who hasn’t been infected. That would help the health care sector. But it would also help the economy because we could interact with each other with a lot of confidence.”
Here he is on video saying it, with Brennan’s question leading in around the 5:30 mark (apparently the video production technicians at CBS couldn’t figure out how to get the volume right, so you’ll have to turn it up a bit):
Former FDA commission Scott Gottlieb also appeared on the show and spoke about how we need “massive surveillance system” to combat the virus.
What’s next? Will they suggest that maybe those who are infected wear a badge that happens to be a yellow star? You know, to identify the undesirables.
The left has spent the last 4 years accusing Trump of being a xenophobic white nationalist neo-nazi. Now they are complaining that he hasn’t closed the borders quick enough, hasn’t declared martial law quick enough, and hasn’t suspended the Constitution yet.
Link to source:
Ghoulish: St. Louis Federal Reserve Head Says Americans Should Be Tested for COVID-19 Daily And Forced To Display a Badge on Their Clothing with the Result | The Gateway Pundit | by Brock Simmons
In an era when the government is using cell phone data to track our movements, drones to enforce compliance of lockdown orders, thermal imaging to monitor social distancing, pastors are getting arrested for hosting church, and ankle bracelets to ensure people stay quarantined, a Federal Reserve...www.thegatewaypundit.com
Every citizen is to be tested. And you will receive a badge showing positive or negative?
Do you want to see a person wearing a badge with a positive test? It would be like the movie "invasion of the body snatchers". Everyone would stop what they were doing, point at the offender, open their maw, and bellow "CORONA".
If you test positive, why wouldn't you immediately be put under quarantine? Give you some chloroquinine, and nice glass of OJ, some sambucol and vitamin C, and tell you "just go lay down and rest honey, we will take good care of you".
(and by the way, where are they going to get all the healthy people to administer the test to 320 million people every single day?)
BTW, lets remember . . . this guy is head of the St Louis Federal Reserve . . . he is one of the guys in charge of the money!!!!
Note: His title is CEO not the title for a government official.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Completely agree about ignoring Chinese data except for any negative data coming from whistleblowers. Which is why I'm watching Italy more closely.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
They came close but didn't quite mention the important fact that the Ace 2 receptors are in the endothelium, the lining of the blood vessels. And I expect quite a few of those to exist inside the heart. Rondaben had also pointed out to me that the kidneys cells die quickly when they're starved of oxygen, and I suspect that's true of the heart as well. When breathing gets challenged in the lungs.Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients
While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.
In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.
As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.
That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.
“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde, the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”
Virus Or Illness?
The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.
“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow, a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”
But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.
Doctors have long known that any serious medical event, even something as straightforward as hip surgery, can create enough stress to damage the heart. Moreover, a condition like pneumonia can cause widespread inflammation in the body. That, in turn, can lead to plaque in arteries becoming unstable, causing heart attacks. Inflammation can also cause a condition known as myocarditis, which can lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and, ultimately, heart failure.
But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.
Initial Data From China
In March, doctors from China published two studies that gave the first glimpse at how prevalent cardiac problems were among patients with COVID-19 illness. The larger of the two studies looked at 416 hospitalized patients. The researchers found that 19% showed signs of heart damage. And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it.
Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.
It’s unclear why some patients experience more cardiac effects than others. Bonow said that could be due to a genetic predisposition or it could be because they’re exposed to higher viral loads.
Those uncertainties underscore the need for closer monitoring of cardiac markers in COVID-19 patients, Jorde said. If doctors in New York, Washington state and other hot spots can start to tease out how the virus is affecting the heart, they may be able to provide a risk score or other guidance to help clinicians manage COVID-19 patients in other parts of the country.
“We have to assume, maybe, that the virus affects the heart directly,” Jorde said. “But it’s essential to find out.”
Facing Obstacles
Gathering the data to do so amid the crisis, however, can be difficult. Ideally, doctors would take biopsies of the heart to determine whether the heart muscle is infected with the virus.
But COVID-19 patients are often so sick it’s difficult for them to undergo invasive procedures. And more testing could expose additional health care workers to the virus. Many hospitals aren’t using electrocardiograms on patients in isolation to avoid bringing additional staff into the room and using up limited masks or other protective equipment.
Still, Dr. Sahil Parikh, an interventional cardiologist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City, said hospitals are making a concerted effort to order the tests needed and to enter findings in medical records so they can sort out what’s going on with the heart.
“We all recognize that because we’re at the leading edge, for better or for worse, we need to try to compile information and use it to help advance the field,” he said.
Indeed, despite the surge in patients, doctors continue to gather data, compile trends and publish their findings in near real time. Parikh and several colleagues recently penned a compilation of what’s known about cardiac complications of COVID-19, making the article available online immediately and adding new findings before the article comes out in print.
Cardiologists in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sharing the latest COVID-19 information through a WhatsApp group that has at least 150 members. And even as New York hospitals are operating under crisis conditions, doctors are testing new drugs and treatments in clinical trials to ensure that what they have learned about the coronavirus can be shared elsewhere with scientific validity.
That work has already resulted in changes in the way hospitals deal with the cardiac implications of COVID-19. Doctors have found that the infection can mimic a heart attack. They have taken patients to the cardiac catheterization lab to clear a suspected blockage, only to find the patient wasn’t really experiencing a heart attack but had COVID-19.
For years, hospitals have rushed suspected heart attack patients directly to the catheterization lab, bypassing the emergency room, in an effort to shorten the time from when the patient enters the door to when doctors can clear the blockage with a balloon. Door-to-balloon time had become an important measure of how well hospitals treat heart attacks.
“We’re taking a step back from that now and thinking about having patients brought to the emergency department so they can get evaluated briefly, so that we could determine: Is this somebody who’s really at high risk for COVID-19?” Parikh said. “And is this manifestation that we’re calling a heart attack really a heart attack?”
New protocols now include bringing in a cardiologist and getting an EKG or an ultrasound to confirm a blockage.
“We’re doing that in large measure to protect the patient from what would be an otherwise unnecessary procedure,” Parikh said, “But also to help us decide which sort of level of personal protective equipment we would employ in the cath lab.”
Sorting out how the virus affects the heart should help doctors determine which therapies to pursue to keep patients alive.
Jorde said that after COVID-19 patients recover, they could have long-term effects from such heart damage. But, he said, treatments exist for various forms of heart damage that should be effective once the viral infection has cleared.
Still, that could require another wave of widespread health care demands after the pandemic has calmed.
Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients - KFF Health News
Most of the attention in the COVID-19 pandemic has been on how the virus affects the lungs. But evidence shows that up to 1 in 5 hospitalized patients have signs of heart damage and many are dying due to heart problems.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
This is something that we have been talking about here for going on six weeks now. Why do we see these things and so many of the potentates are still scratching their heads? The information has been widely disseminated. The cardiac muscle is full of ACE-2 receptors that this virus loves.
How COVID-10 is affecting cardiology: ACE2 fears and cath lab curbs
An analysis of comorbidities in three series of COVID-19 cases from Wuhan in China supports an association between increased expression of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and more severe and fatal disease. The correspondence, published in Lancet Respiratory Medicine, said the most frequent comorbidities reported in patients with COVID-19 were often treated with ACE inhibitors. The ...
How COVID-10 is affecting cardiology: ACE2 fears and cath lab curbs
An analysis of comorbidities in three series of COVID-19 cases from Wuhan in China supports an association between increased expression of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and more severe and fatal disease. The correspondence, published in Lancet Respiratory Medicine, said the most...
thelimbic.com
Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
The most distinctive comorbidities of 32 non-survivors from a group of 52 intensive care unit patients with novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the study by Xiaobo Yang and colleagues
1
were cerebrovascular diseases (22%) and diabetes (22%). Another study
2
included 1099 patients with confirmed COVID-19, of whom 173 had severe disease with comorbidities of hypertension (23·7%), diabetes mellitus (16·2%), coronary heart diseases (5·8%), and cerebrovascular disease (2·3%). In a third study,
3
of 140 patients who were admitted to hospital with COVID-19, 30% had hypertension and 12% had diabetes. Notably, the most frequent comorbidities reported in these three studies of patients with COVID-19 are often treated with angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors;
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Certainly, and the end of May will look very, very different than things do today.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Which is why I specifically requested--and got-- A prescription for blood pressure medicine that did not contain Ace inhibitors.This is something that we have been talking about here for going on six weeks now. Why do we see these things and so many of the potentates are still scratching their heads? The information has been widely disseminated. The cardiac muscle is full of ACE-2 receptors that this virus loves.
How COVID-10 is affecting cardiology: ACE2 fears and cath lab curbs
An analysis of comorbidities in three series of COVID-19 cases from Wuhan in China supports an association between increased expression of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and more severe and fatal disease. The correspondence, published in Lancet Respiratory Medicine, said the most frequent comorbidities reported in patients with COVID-19 were often treated with ACE inhibitors. The ...
How COVID-10 is affecting cardiology: ACE2 fears and cath lab curbs
An analysis of comorbidities in three series of COVID-19 cases from Wuhan in China supports an association between increased expression of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and more severe and fatal disease. The correspondence, published in Lancet Respiratory Medicine, said the most...thelimbic.com
Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
The most distinctive comorbidities of 32 non-survivors from a group of 52 intensive care unit patients with novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the study by Xiaobo Yang and colleagues
1
were cerebrovascular diseases (22%) and diabetes (22%). Another study
2
included 1099 patients with confirmed COVID-19, of whom 173 had severe disease with comorbidities of hypertension (23·7%), diabetes mellitus (16·2%), coronary heart diseases (5·8%), and cerebrovascular disease (2·3%). In a third study,
3
of 140 patients who were admitted to hospital with COVID-19, 30% had hypertension and 12% had diabetes. Notably, the most frequent comorbidities reported in these three studies of patients with COVID-19 are often treated with angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors;
People don't understand the "peak." So many think that the peak means that it's over. The peak is the half way point. I really believe that Trump will unilaterally lift his 30 day stay at home order as soon as he can -- probably as soon as he sees New York peak. But, there's the whole second half of the curve to deal with. If you go back to normal too soon you will have an incredible relapse and need to go on another lockdown. Probably one of the most important thing that anyone has said was Fauci when he said, "the virus dictates the timeline."
Everyone should listen to Clif High's video about bats. It is a most troubling video and seems to be based in facts. As quoted in the Trivium link, this may not leave you -- just like malaria. It may just go dormant until conditions are right for it to re-emerge and strike again.
It really doesn't matter what Trump does. It appears that this virus will be dictator. Stay at home longer and destroy the economy. Go back to work too early, the virus re-emerges and you destroy the economy. Solution? Pray that the virus burns itself out. There is no other solution.
Trump can tell everyone to go back to work. He cannot mandate it -- just like he could not mandate state lockdowns. Hopefully, governors will accurately and carefully assess their individual situations and act accordingly.
As stated above, the economy is done. Either way -- no matter wht we do -- it's not going back like it was. the stock market it not the economy. The sports bar on the corner is the economy. The stock market do what it do. Will the sports bar reopen? Will the "real people" have money enough to congregate there? That's an indicator more than the fake numbers in the market.
You missed quoting the most important sentence: "based on full social distancing through May 31." We don't have full social distancing and our leader will not do that. So, extrapolate that out further and add to the death count -- especially if we all just pretend this isn't happening and sacrifice ourselves to the blessed economy.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Italy, Spain, and France reported declines in daily coronavirus death tolls. Their governments don't plan to lift national lockdowns and social distancing rules anytime soon.
After weeks of bleak headlines, a handful of European nations — Italy, Spain, and France — on Sunday reported a drop in coronavirus death tolls.
Italy has the highest death toll of any country impacted by the coronavirus. At least 15,889 people are dead as of Sunday, up from 15,364 on Saturday — an increase of 525 deaths, which is the country's smallest increase in daily deaths since March 19.
Sunday also marks the third day of declines in Italy's fatalities, following 766 deaths on Friday and 681 on Saturday, according to statistics website Worldometer. The number of new cases also fell from 4,805 on Saturday to 4,316 on Sunday, bumping up the total caseload to 128,948.
"We are suffering very much. It's a devastating pain," Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.
View: https://youtu.be/9RKXPIE5hPU
Conte put the country of 60 million residents on lockdown on March 10, and then proceeded to restrict movement even internally. People have been ordered to stay home, but those who emerge for work or essential business, including going to grocery stores or pharmacies, have to cover their noses and mouths. Since the lockdown was imposed, Italian police officers have fined more than 175,000 people for violating the rules, the Hill reported.
"Our response has not been perfect, maybe, but we have been acting [to] the best of our knowledge," Conte said to NBCs Chuck Todd. "Today, I see that our model is implemented by other countries and its validity has been acknowledged by the [World Health Organization], and the results so far indicate that we are on the right path."
When the unprecedented step was first announced, Conte planned to keep the strict restrictions in place until April 3. He has since said that they will be in effect till at least April 13. However, he told NBC on Sunday that he cannot yet say for certain when the containment measures will be lifted.
Medical experts across the globe have said that social distancing is the only way to reduce the rapid rate at which COVID-19 spreads. The goal, they say, is to "flatten the curve" of the infection so that local healthcare systems aren't overrun by patients.
The United States, however, has adopted a more piecemeal version that relies on states' authorities making these tough decisions. As of Sunday, more than 1.26 million people have tested positive for the coronavirus and over 69,000 are dead. Of those cases, 331,200 are located in the US, where almost 9,500 people are dead, based on data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
'Stay home as much possible'
Meanwhile, Spain, the second-worst-hit country with a caseload of 130,759 and 12,418 deaths, also saw a drop in daily coronavirus deaths for the fourth consecutive day. This means 674 people died on Sunday, compared to 749 on Saturday, 850 on Friday, and 961 on Thursday, Worldometer shows.
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez introduced a two-week lockdown on March 14, which was first extended to April 11 and then April 25 as the country struggled to cope with an escalation in COVID-19 cases, Bloomberg said.
Similar data came out of France as well.
At least 90,864 French residents have tested positive for the coronavirus and 7,575 are dead. The nation's death toll went up by 518 on Sunday, but that jump is a sharp drop from previous days.
Based on Worldometer, France confirmed 1,355 deaths on Thursday, 1,120 on Friday, and 1,053 on Saturday.
As is the case in other parts of Europe, France went on lockdown on March 17. Although initially mandated for 15 days, the stay-at-home order will remain in place through April 15. Prime Minister Édouard Philippe said that a second extension is likely, France 24 reported.
Moreover, he said, "it is likely that we are not going to see an end to confinement that would happen in one move everywhere and for everyone."
Conte, acknowledging that he is asking the Italian public for a "great sacrifice," reminded them that "it's the only way to defeat the pandemic altogether."
"Stay home as much possible. Do not go out," he said.
www.businessinsider.com
After weeks of bleak headlines, a handful of European nations — Italy, Spain, and France — on Sunday reported a drop in coronavirus death tolls.
Italy has the highest death toll of any country impacted by the coronavirus. At least 15,889 people are dead as of Sunday, up from 15,364 on Saturday — an increase of 525 deaths, which is the country's smallest increase in daily deaths since March 19.
Sunday also marks the third day of declines in Italy's fatalities, following 766 deaths on Friday and 681 on Saturday, according to statistics website Worldometer. The number of new cases also fell from 4,805 on Saturday to 4,316 on Sunday, bumping up the total caseload to 128,948.
"We are suffering very much. It's a devastating pain," Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.
Conte put the country of 60 million residents on lockdown on March 10, and then proceeded to restrict movement even internally. People have been ordered to stay home, but those who emerge for work or essential business, including going to grocery stores or pharmacies, have to cover their noses and mouths. Since the lockdown was imposed, Italian police officers have fined more than 175,000 people for violating the rules, the Hill reported.
"Our response has not been perfect, maybe, but we have been acting [to] the best of our knowledge," Conte said to NBCs Chuck Todd. "Today, I see that our model is implemented by other countries and its validity has been acknowledged by the [World Health Organization], and the results so far indicate that we are on the right path."
When the unprecedented step was first announced, Conte planned to keep the strict restrictions in place until April 3. He has since said that they will be in effect till at least April 13. However, he told NBC on Sunday that he cannot yet say for certain when the containment measures will be lifted.
Medical experts across the globe have said that social distancing is the only way to reduce the rapid rate at which COVID-19 spreads. The goal, they say, is to "flatten the curve" of the infection so that local healthcare systems aren't overrun by patients.
The United States, however, has adopted a more piecemeal version that relies on states' authorities making these tough decisions. As of Sunday, more than 1.26 million people have tested positive for the coronavirus and over 69,000 are dead. Of those cases, 331,200 are located in the US, where almost 9,500 people are dead, based on data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
'Stay home as much possible'
Meanwhile, Spain, the second-worst-hit country with a caseload of 130,759 and 12,418 deaths, also saw a drop in daily coronavirus deaths for the fourth consecutive day. This means 674 people died on Sunday, compared to 749 on Saturday, 850 on Friday, and 961 on Thursday, Worldometer shows.
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez introduced a two-week lockdown on March 14, which was first extended to April 11 and then April 25 as the country struggled to cope with an escalation in COVID-19 cases, Bloomberg said.
Similar data came out of France as well.
At least 90,864 French residents have tested positive for the coronavirus and 7,575 are dead. The nation's death toll went up by 518 on Sunday, but that jump is a sharp drop from previous days.
Based on Worldometer, France confirmed 1,355 deaths on Thursday, 1,120 on Friday, and 1,053 on Saturday.
As is the case in other parts of Europe, France went on lockdown on March 17. Although initially mandated for 15 days, the stay-at-home order will remain in place through April 15. Prime Minister Édouard Philippe said that a second extension is likely, France 24 reported.
Moreover, he said, "it is likely that we are not going to see an end to confinement that would happen in one move everywhere and for everyone."
Conte, acknowledging that he is asking the Italian public for a "great sacrifice," reminded them that "it's the only way to defeat the pandemic altogether."
"Stay home as much possible. Do not go out," he said.
Italy, Spain, and France reported declines in daily coronavirus death tolls. Their governments don't plan to lift national lockdowns and social distancing rules anytime soon.
"We are suffering very much. It's a devastating pain," Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said on Sunday.
www.businessinsider.com
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
The lack of support for people who fall into this category always bothered me. Especially when you see those who make a living at it.
naegling62
Veteran Member
I sent that video to my Dr. friend. I explained who Clif was and that he was just interesting to watch. I haven't spoke with him about the video but he did text me that Clif doesn't have good understanding of the subject and is way off. He said Vitamin C looks like it may have part to play but that Clif has things wrong in this presentation.
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
I gave up on Cliff High a while back. He's just gotten WAY too many things wrong over the years, and got into some pretty bizarre stuff. I remember a few years back he insisted aliens would be making their debut onto our planet, and they would be the catalyst for many things to come that year, including hyperinflation. I walked away at that point.
cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
I found out what happened to all the TP . . .
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Those in the medical field get well earned respect from me. In my time in the military, I was in an active war zone functioning as an electronics technician. The obligatory mortars, rockets, satchel charges, small arms fire were a risk I expected. What I did not expect was the emergency destruction protocols for things which absolutely, positively could not fall into enemy hands. Turned out that the process to destroy the stuff was not survivable by those doing it. Even when I figured that out, still being in my teens, my invulnerability mythical belief took over. Later I found out that lest we not do our destruction job completely, the local artillary battery had a firing solution for our facility. We were expendable. THAT should not be the attitude of hospitals to their staff.
I knew this was going to happen. I brought it up about ten thousand pages ago.... When the MBS goes down we become Venezuela. World's largest 3 world country -- riots, starvation, disease, homelessness...View attachment 190811
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So what do they do with the rest of them?
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Mortgage industry on the brink of collapse
The mortgage market is on the brink of collapse as thousands of borrowers suddenly pour into the government bailout without any proof of any hardship. CNBC's Diana Olick reports.
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Mortgage industry on the brink of collapse
The mortgage market is on the brink of collapse as thousands of borrowers suddenly pour into the government bailout without any proof of any hardship. CNBC's Diana Olick reports.www.cnbc.com
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
No, he didn't, or at least an equivalent statment is there before the tabulated data is listed. I also believe that the projections have included social distancing for quite some time now, so I'm not even sure why you're bringing it up.
John Deere Girl
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I have two family members who are Dr's who originally said the flu Is much worse. They are working in two different hospitals and they both are almost in shock at how bad it really is. They have told the family to stay home, don't risk getting this. One of these family members is living at the hospital they are employed at so they don't take it home to their spouse and kids.
psychgirl
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Indiana, rising case load is going up very fast.
Buckle up, Hoosiers!
If there was ever a two week span that I wish (!!) I could stay home.... this is it.
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Why Europe SHOULD FEAR the Coming Arab Spring 2.0
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Very grim global outlook. Inevitable food shortages.
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SSTemplar
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You mean like a yellow star?Will the badge be in the shape of a Star of David and have "Juden" printed on it? Is Gattaca next? Scary. File under: stuff you can't make up. I have to wonder if he even considered the optics before he opened his mouth?
There is video at the link in the article. He actually comes out and says this.
Fair use.
Ghoulish: St. Louis Federal Reserve Head Says Americans Should Be Tested for COVID-19 Daily And Forced To Display a Badge on Their Clothing with the Result
By Brock Simmons
Published April 5, 2020 at 10:22pm
In an era when the government is using cell phone data to track our movements, drones to enforce compliance of lockdown orders, thermal imaging to monitor social distancing, pastors are getting arrested for hosting church, and ankle bracelets to ensure people stay quarantined, a Federal Reserve official proposed today yet another surveillance plan; daily coronavirus testing for every citizen, and we publicly display badges showing if we tested negative or positive.
James Bullard, CEO of the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve, was recently on CBS’s Face The Nation with Margaret Brennan to talk about the state of the economy and what could be done to stem the outbreak of the virus. Toward the end of the interview, Bullard says,
“You know, I have good news for you, MARGARET, because we have a- there is a solution using available technology today to fix the economic part of this problem. The solution is universal testing. What you want is every single person to get tested every day. And then they would wear a badge like they would at a- after they voted or something like that to show that they’ve been tested. This would immediately sort out who’s been infected and who hasn’t been infected. That would help the health care sector. But it would also help the economy because we could interact with each other with a lot of confidence.”
Here he is on video saying it, with Brennan’s question leading in around the 5:30 mark (apparently the video production technicians at CBS couldn’t figure out how to get the volume right, so you’ll have to turn it up a bit):
Former FDA commission Scott Gottlieb also appeared on the show and spoke about how we need “massive surveillance system” to combat the virus.
What’s next? Will they suggest that maybe those who are infected wear a badge that happens to be a yellow star? You know, to identify the undesirables.
The left has spent the last 4 years accusing Trump of being a xenophobic white nationalist neo-nazi. Now they are complaining that he hasn’t closed the borders quick enough, hasn’t declared martial law quick enough, and hasn’t suspended the Constitution yet.
Link to source:
Ghoulish: St. Louis Federal Reserve Head Says Americans Should Be Tested for COVID-19 Daily And Forced To Display a Badge on Their Clothing with the Result | The Gateway Pundit | by Brock Simmons
In an era when the government is using cell phone data to track our movements, drones to enforce compliance of lockdown orders, thermal imaging to monitor social distancing, pastors are getting arrested for hosting church, and ankle bracelets to ensure people stay quarantined, a Federal Reserve...
Tom McDowell
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Michigan governor: "We are running dangerously low on PPE"
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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer told reporters that the state is running dangerously low on personal protective equipment, also called PPE.
“We are doing everything that we can at the state level to secure more personal protection equipment. Today we will begin distributing 1.2 million surgical masks that the state has procured on the open market,” Whitmer said.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency has sent 400 ventilators, 1.1 million surgical masks, 232,000 face shields and 2 million gloves. “FEMA will be shipping 1 million more N95 masks to Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties this week,” the governor said.
The state is working with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Michigan National Guard to get the TCF Convention Center in Detroit up and running to see patients by Friday.
The governor added that Ford and the United Autoworkers have donated thousands of face shields to Michigan hospitals and the state issued the purchase of 1 million face shields from Ford to be delivered over the next 3 weeks.
“We’re making some progress, and that is a good thing, but we need more PPE to continue fighting this virus,” Whitmer said.
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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer told reporters that the state is running dangerously low on personal protective equipment, also called PPE.
Gov. Whitmer said that there are less than three days left until face shields run out and less than 6 days until surgical gowns run out at all three of those health systems. She added that these data points do not include private donations that are going straight to hospitals.
“We are doing everything that we can at the state level to secure more personal protection equipment. Today we will begin distributing 1.2 million surgical masks that the state has procured on the open market,” Whitmer said.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency has sent 400 ventilators, 1.1 million surgical masks, 232,000 face shields and 2 million gloves. “FEMA will be shipping 1 million more N95 masks to Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties this week,” the governor said.
The state is working with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Michigan National Guard to get the TCF Convention Center in Detroit up and running to see patients by Friday.
The governor added that Ford and the United Autoworkers have donated thousands of face shields to Michigan hospitals and the state issued the purchase of 1 million face shields from Ford to be delivered over the next 3 weeks.
“We’re making some progress, and that is a good thing, but we need more PPE to continue fighting this virus,” Whitmer said.
Michigan governor: "We are running dangerously low on PPE"
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A very strange photo.
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zookeeper9
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Michigan governor: "We are running dangerously low on PPE"
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A very strange photo.
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She needs to lay off on that "dewy" finish makeup when in front of cameras...
