CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Lynx

Senior Member
Is there any information on how long (or whether) a person can continue to shed the virus after they are symptom free and considered "cured"?
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
China Originated Virus Intentionall
Is there any information on how long (or whether) a person can continue to shed the virus after they are symptom free and considered "cured"?

Cured means 'virus free', not feeling better.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Is there any information on how long (or whether) a person can continue to shed the virus after they are symptom free and considered "cured"?
I remember reading that one couple is considered recovered. But they are still in home isolation 2 weeks later , still carrying the virus.
In America I believe.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Most of the machinery was sold to China. Most of the machines that make the machines were sold to China.
Most of the machinists are retired or dead. Brave New World. Service economy. "Experts" know best, dontcha know?
everyone can "learn to code"
~Joe Biden
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Ex
Most of the machinery was sold to China. Most of the machines that make the machines were sold to China.
Most of the machinists are retired or dead. Brave New World. Service economy. "Experts" know best, dontcha know?
'Experts? I thought it was profit.
 

Optimus Prime

Senior Member
There’s a storm brewing and it’s coming.

I’m a self-professed card carrying board certified doomer. DD and I are likely brothers from another mother.

Have the denizens of this forum noticed an attitudinal change come over the populace lately? I’ve noticed an definitive uptick in angsts, lack of common courtesy, impatience, rudeness, complete self serving attitudes of the local GDP. Anybody else?
I was going to chalk it up to my preponderance for woo, but last night my son, a SO in criminal investigations for our county, called me and related some interesting stats. For all of 2019 he was assigned 373 cases (burglary of vehicle/domicile, theft of various items be it wiring, breakers, trailers, tack, etc). So far in 2020 he’s already assigned 83 cases!! The other three CID deputies have like loads. His friend, a patrol deputy, states domestic disturbances up nearly 20% year over, so far. The financial crime investigator is completely under water with his cases. The good news, NO murders so far, but four suicides. This is a rural county west of Ft Worth. All this and the herd hasn’t started panicking yet over NCOV. Just FFT and something to make you go, hmmmmm.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
Speaking of exponential growth and why most of the none mathematical among the herd won't get it. I saw a doctor on Steve Bannon's show state that if a Petrie dish has 60 seconds to become 100% contaminated, when is it 50% contaminated? Yep that's right...59 seconds. Holy Batvirus! When this thing reaches 50% population saturation it will completely shut down society in the infection zone.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
A scientist at the forefront of researching the coronavirus says it could "potentially" spread to 60% of the population.
"This virus... concerns me the most of everything I've worked on."
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1228414511981395971
I like to call this immunity by math or statistics. It is the same basis used when they talk about herd immunity.
if it spreads to 60% of the population, it will spread to 100% of the population
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Have the denizens of this forum noticed an attitudinal change come over the populace lately? I’ve noticed an definitive uptick in angsts, lack of common courtesy, impatience, rudeness, complete self serving attitudes of the local GDP.

Heck, we've got that here but perhaps not to the extent of the meat world. I see a bit of that around me up here but part of that might be seasonal as we're in the depths of winter and a sunny and mild day is rare. What I see around me are people totally and completely oblivious. Not only to the virus but how precarious the economy and financial system is and how close it all is to imploding. I see people going to the grocery store and box stores and they just assume that the shelves will be always stocked and full.

They have no idea the follow on from China shutting down nor do they understand how just in time inventory works. They tend to think there are little elves in the back that magically come out at night to restock the shelves. And as much as I like Trump he feeds into it by telling everyone things are great and getting greater and that there are no black clouds on the horizon.

The few that I have talked to about the virus seem to think that it's just 'over there' and no worse than the common flu and that there is absolutely nothing to be concerned about. They are in for a rude surprise. Even if the virus doesn't run loose through our population the shutdown of China if it continues will be the straw that breaks that old swayback's spine.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I think o2 concentrators need regular calibration. Not sure the details but a service tech would check it every month. Took 2 minutes from start to finish.

I'm skeptical of that. Suspect it's a way for service techs to make a living. There's not much going on inside a concentrator, and the flow gauge is about as basic as it gets.
 

Craftypatches

Veteran Member
I just watched a video about New Delhi being the most polluted place in the world. It is like the equivalent of smoking 10 cigarettes a day! I would share but am on an iPad! That and the overcrowding poor city they are, they will be in big ,big trouble!
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
What one needs to realize about concentrators and c-pap machines is that they utilize ambient air to operate. Unless that air is filtered, then whatever is floating around can be pulled in and introduced directly to a persons airway. It is not a closed system like an SCBA or a ventilator that utilizes bottled or hospital 02 gas systems.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Gee, the secondary and third level impacts are incredible. I ordered two holsters from Uncle Mike's who used to make them in Oregon two decades or so ago. I was unaware of this but Uncle Mike has moved all holster production to Vietnam and that is where my holsters were made and then shipped here to CONUS. Now as to whether they made it in Vietnam, and then shipped it to me here at the gun shop, based on the order, or whether they made it six months ago, shipped it here to keep it in stock. Either way, the ability to make and then ship it here, might be impeded by the Chinese Plague.

'Mornin', DD.
Don't know what maker o' hawgleg ya have, but have ya tried Triple K?


Lots o' pouches out there. Jes have ta look real hard n' long... Found ma new holsters, fer Thunder n' Lightnin'- ma avatar, at a place called Speed Beez.


Work real fine wi' ma 2 Ruger Super GP100s. Wi' these, yuh kin draw n' fire faster than... Uh, darn. It's them "family" rules, donchaknow... Anyways, they's made o' some space age plastic. Don't roll er wiggle like leather sometimes do. Mayhap they'll have somethin' that'll fit... Pouchin' yer irons is somethin' folks sometimes o'erlook.

Good Luck, ta yer

OA


DD, they's got holsters, fer pouchin' yer pistolas... If'n revolvers, like ah think, mayhap they'll have what ya need...

OA

Look at these:


Mine are here:


Tha's wi' both left an' right hand...

Good Luck!
 
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Flashyzipp

Veteran Member
One of the Americans on the ship is ridiculous. He is not taking the flight by the US because they won’t let him bring all his stuff. Says he has a commercial flight already booked for when his quarantine is over. I am guessing the US will place him in a 14 day quarantine anyways once he reaches the US.
 

Zagdid

Veteran Member
we are all doomed by this thinking .....


Amid virus outbreak, concerns about a hockey stick shortage
Feb. 14, 2020 at 11:18 pm Updated Feb. 15, 2020 at 4:54 am fair use
By STEPHEN WHYNO The Associated Press

Jack Eichel snapped his stick over the crossbar in frustration after an empty-net goal sealed a Buffalo Sabres loss, splintering it across the ice. He and other NHL players might want to think twice about sacrificing their sticks in a situation like that for now.

The coronavirus outbreak that began in China is affecting the production of hockey sticks used by the world’s top players, raising concerns about a potential shortage. Two major manufacturers, Bauer and CCM, have factories in China that have closed.

Players are beginning to make preparations in case stick supplies dry up.

“We’ll see how long it lasts,” Eichel said. “Hopefully not too long. Obviously, I go through sticks pretty quickly.”

Eichel estimates he goes through 100 sticks a season, and he’s not alone. Dallas Stars center Tyler Seguin changes sticks each game and was worried enough about running out that he stopped at his mom’s house outside Toronto before a game against the Maple Leafs to pick up two more, just in case.

“That’s all that was left in the garage,” Seguin said. “I’ll just manage.”

Bauer and CCM officials say they are monitoring the situation so clients like Eichel, Seguin and Toronto’s Auston Matthews don’t have to dig up old sticks in the garage. Warrior, the other major supplier of custom sticks for top hockey players, has not been affected because its production is based in Tijuana, Mexico.

Beer leagues can go on without worry. Bauer and CCM each independently said there has been no impact on the production of sticks for amateur players.

CCM said in a statement government approvals could slow the reopening of factories and expects to have a better picture of capacity and deliveries in coming weeks. Bauer CEO Ed Kinnaly said the situation remains fluid and hopes the company can re-start operations in China soon.

“We have backup stock in the U.S. and Canada to meet these needs, and we are working closely with equipment managers to understand their inventory levels and ensure players have what they need throughout this situation,” Kinnaly said.

NHL equipment managers, players and their representatives are trying to navigate the situation as best as possible. Detroit Red Wings equipment manager Paul Boyer said he has enough inventory for the next couple of weeks but isn’t sure what might happen after that given a two-week lag time for sticks to be delivered.


“I do have good sales guys and we came up with a plan to stock up ahead of Chinese New Year, but then the virus hit and there has been an even longer gap without producing sticks,” Boyer said. “Am I concerned? Yes, but I’m not panicking.”

(apparently hockey players and their teams are immune from pandemics)
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
One of the Americans on the ship is ridiculous. He is not taking the flight by the US because they won’t let him bring all his stuff. Says he has a commercial flight already booked for when his quarantine is over. I am guessing the US will place him in a 14 day quarantine anyways once he reaches the US.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
'Mornin', DD.
Don't know what maker o' hawgleg ya have, but have ya tried Triple K?


Lots o' pouches out there. Jes have ta look real hard n' long... Found ma new holsters, fer Thunder n' Lightnin'- ma avatar, at a place called Speed Beez.


Work real fine wi' ma 2 Ruger Super GP100s. Wi' these, yuh kin draw n' fire faster than... Uh, darn. It's them "family" rules, donchaknow... Anyways, they's made o' some space age plastic. Don't roll er wiggle like leather sometimes do. Mayhap they'll have somethin' that'll fit... Pouchin' yer irons is somethin' folks sometimes o'erlook.

Good Luck, ta yer

OA


DD, they's got holsters, fer pouchin' yer pistolas... If'n revolvers, like ah think, mayhap they'll have what ya need...

OA

Look at these:


Mine are here:


Tha's wi' both left an' right hand...

Good Luck!
Nice to see you back on board!
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
we are all doomed by this thinking .....


Amid virus outbreak, concerns about a hockey stick shortage
Feb. 14, 2020 at 11:18 pm Updated Feb. 15, 2020 at 4:54 am fair use
By STEPHEN WHYNO The Associated Press

Jack Eichel snapped his stick over the crossbar in frustration after an empty-net goal sealed a Buffalo Sabres loss, splintering it across the ice. He and other NHL players might want to think twice about sacrificing their sticks in a situation like that for now.

The coronavirus outbreak that began in China is affecting the production of hockey sticks used by the world’s top players, raising concerns about a potential shortage. Two major manufacturers, Bauer and CCM, have factories in China that have closed.

Players are beginning to make preparations in case stick supplies dry up.

“We’ll see how long it lasts,” Eichel said. “Hopefully not too long. Obviously, I go through sticks pretty quickly.”

Eichel estimates he goes through 100 sticks a season, and he’s not alone. Dallas Stars center Tyler Seguin changes sticks each game and was worried enough about running out that he stopped at his mom’s house outside Toronto before a game against the Maple Leafs to pick up two more, just in case.

“That’s all that was left in the garage,” Seguin said. “I’ll just manage.”

Bauer and CCM officials say they are monitoring the situation so clients like Eichel, Seguin and Toronto’s Auston Matthews don’t have to dig up old sticks in the garage. Warrior, the other major supplier of custom sticks for top hockey players, has not been affected because its production is based in Tijuana, Mexico.

Beer leagues can go on without worry. Bauer and CCM each independently said there has been no impact on the production of sticks for amateur players.

CCM said in a statement government approvals could slow the reopening of factories and expects to have a better picture of capacity and deliveries in coming weeks. Bauer CEO Ed Kinnaly said the situation remains fluid and hopes the company can re-start operations in China soon.

“We have backup stock in the U.S. and Canada to meet these needs, and we are working closely with equipment managers to understand their inventory levels and ensure players have what they need throughout this situation,” Kinnaly said.

NHL equipment managers, players and their representatives are trying to navigate the situation as best as possible. Detroit Red Wings equipment manager Paul Boyer said he has enough inventory for the next couple of weeks but isn’t sure what might happen after that given a two-week lag time for sticks to be delivered.


“I do have good sales guys and we came up with a plan to stock up ahead of Chinese New Year, but then the virus hit and there has been an even longer gap without producing sticks,” Boyer said. “Am I concerned? Yes, but I’m not panicking.”

(apparently hockey players and their teams are immune from pandemics)
He'll panic when the stands are empty........
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
we are all doomed by this thinking .....


Amid virus outbreak, concerns about a hockey stick shortage
Feb. 14, 2020 at 11:18 pm Updated Feb. 15, 2020 at 4:54 am fair use
By STEPHEN WHYNO The Associated Press

Jack Eichel snapped his stick over the crossbar in frustration after an empty-net goal sealed a Buffalo Sabres loss, splintering it across the ice. He and other NHL players might want to think twice about sacrificing their sticks in a situation like that for now.

The coronavirus outbreak that began in China is affecting the production of hockey sticks used by the world’s top players, raising concerns about a potential shortage. Two major manufacturers, Bauer and CCM, have factories in China that have closed.

Players are beginning to make preparations in case stick supplies dry up.

“We’ll see how long it lasts,” Eichel said. “Hopefully not too long. Obviously, I go through sticks pretty quickly.”

Eichel estimates he goes through 100 sticks a season, and he’s not alone. Dallas Stars center Tyler Seguin changes sticks each game and was worried enough about running out that he stopped at his mom’s house outside Toronto before a game against the Maple Leafs to pick up two more, just in case.

“That’s all that was left in the garage,” Seguin said. “I’ll just manage.”

Bauer and CCM officials say they are monitoring the situation so clients like Eichel, Seguin and Toronto’s Auston Matthews don’t have to dig up old sticks in the garage. Warrior, the other major supplier of custom sticks for top hockey players, has not been affected because its production is based in Tijuana, Mexico.

Beer leagues can go on without worry. Bauer and CCM each independently said there has been no impact on the production of sticks for amateur players.

CCM said in a statement government approvals could slow the reopening of factories and expects to have a better picture of capacity and deliveries in coming weeks. Bauer CEO Ed Kinnaly said the situation remains fluid and hopes the company can re-start operations in China soon.

“We have backup stock in the U.S. and Canada to meet these needs, and we are working closely with equipment managers to understand their inventory levels and ensure players have what they need throughout this situation,” Kinnaly said.

NHL equipment managers, players and their representatives are trying to navigate the situation as best as possible. Detroit Red Wings equipment manager Paul Boyer said he has enough inventory for the next couple of weeks but isn’t sure what might happen after that given a two-week lag time for sticks to be delivered.


“I do have good sales guys and we came up with a plan to stock up ahead of Chinese New Year, but then the virus hit and there has been an even longer gap without producing sticks,” Boyer said. “Am I concerned? Yes, but I’m not panicking.”

(apparently hockey players and their teams are immune from pandemics)

I was going to say... 'well, at least you can't eat hockey sticks' but I found out I was wrong.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Going to dinner at a good friends house this evening in a neighboring town. Might be the last time I see him. He's somewhat of a recluse, and if anyone can handle being in home quarantine it's him, wife is a real go getter and will have her issues. She will stay put though. It's a hard thought, this idea that the window to see friends, knowing some will die, is about over. It appears we will all have friends dieing soon, if not us directly or family. The world is about to get very serious, and so few realize it. Count your blessings, use your time wisely in this regard.

Panic early, beat the rush to the bol, and then be sure to have a location prepped for quarantine for the late comers. I'd suggest a months quarantine to be on the safe side, down wind if possible. As to pets??? Might buy some cannaries.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
China’s chip makers more resilient amid coronavirus supply chain shocks
(fair use applies)

Coronavirus: China’s chip makers proving resilient to supply chain shocks thanks to automation and clean room environments
Jane Zhang
Published: 6:30am, 15 Feb, 2020 | Updated: 7:02am, 15 Feb, 2020

Wuhan is an important player in the country’s semiconductor industry, with more than 100 chip design, manufacturing, packaging and testing companies in operation
The suspension of US-China flights by major US airlines could seriously impact deliveries of finished chip products to US customers

Every morning hundreds of professionals in Wuhan, epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, don protective masks and hazmat-style suits before they enter their workplace.

They are not hospital workers treating patients infected with the virus that has killed more than 1,300 people in China so far. Rather, they work for Wuhan Xinxin Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (XMC) and Yangtze Memory Technologies Co. (YMTC), which operate hospital-style clean rooms designed to prevent microscopic particles from contaminating silicon wafers.

The fallout from the deadly coronavirus outbreak for the tech industry and the global supply chain has been significant, with Canalys forecasting that China’s smartphone shipments would drop 40 to 50 per cent in the first quarter of 2020.

Yet the semiconductor manufacturing sector has been more resilient to the impact thanks to its higher level of automation and clean room environment on the factory floor.

Jim Handy, semiconductor analyst from Objective Analysis in California, said the “incredibly clean and uncrowded” workplace in chip fabs would probably limit the spread of any disease. Workers often live in dormitories on the company’s campus, so they do not need to take public transport to work, he added.

That view was echoed by Linda Sui, director of Wireless Smartphone Strategies at Strategy Analytics, who said labour-intensive companies like Foxconn have seen a much greater impact because workers returning from their Spring Festival break have had to undergo 14 day quarantines before resuming work.

Foxconn, which makes most of the world’s iPhones, employs more than 1 million people in a dozen factories on the Chinese mainland, including a major facility in Zhengzhou, about 480km (300 miles) from the centre of the outbreak.

China enforced mandatory factory shutdowns in at least 24 of its 31 provinces, municipalities and autonomous regions from January 31 to February 9 in an effort to contain the outbreak, but that order does not appear to have been directed at semiconductor factories which typically operate 24/7.

“There will not be a big impact on chip manufacturers,” Siu said. “The demand [for chips] will fluctuate for sure but in terms of production capacity, these factories work 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Their machines keep running even during holidays.”

An XMC spokeswoman told the Post last week that its factory lines have not been interrupted due to the coronavirus and that production continued safely during the Spring Festival holidays.

China is a key part of the global electronics industry’s value chain, with semiconductors critical to the function of everyday consumer electronics, communications and computing products, as well as increasingly sophisticated applications such as 5G and artificial intelligence.

Wuhan, the capital city of Hubei province and epicentre of the outbreak, is known as the “Chicago of the East” for its industrial and transport industries.

Apart from being a major supply chain hub in central China, the city is an important player in the country’s semiconductor industry, with more than 100 chip design, manufacturing, packaging and testing companies in operation as of August, according to the Hubei government.

XMC and YMTC – both under the state backed Tsinghua Unigroup – specialise in designing and manufacturing memory chips. In statements issued earlier this month they indicated the coronavirus outbreak has had a minimal impact on operations so far.

YMTC did not respond to a request for updated information on Wednesday.

In a document issued to customers earlier this month, XMC said it has appropriately reduced its production capacity, adding that before the Spring Festival holiday it had stocked up on raw materials which will help it continue customer deliveries.

Founded in 2006 in Wuhan, the company focuses on NOR Flash memory and has been providing professional 300mm (12-inch) wafer foundry services since 2008.

However, chip makers are not completely immune from the disruptions. The shortage of manpower and raw materials, the evacuation of foreign engineers from Wuhan and transport restrictions are all challenges facing semiconductor companies in the city, according to Handy.

The suspension of US-China flights by major US airlines could seriously impact deliveries of finished chip products to US customers.

“I don’t anticipate any winners in this situation,” Handy said. “There are companies who compete against Wuhan’s chip makers, but they are still shipping to assembly houses in China, and those assembly houses may buy other chips from Wuhan-based firms which might limit their overall production and cause them to use fewer of the competitors’ chips as well.”

A YMTC spokesman said last week that the lockdown in Wuhan has created some challenges in the supply chain and labour supply, but that it is actively coordinating with raw material suppliers and logistics providers to ensure normal operation of the production line.

Shenzhen China Star Optoelectronics Technology Co said on its official WeChat account at the end of January that there were no cases in its Wuhan factory and that the company puts the health and safety of its employees first.

BOE Technology Group, which began mass production of leading-edge 10.5 generation LCD panels at a clean room facility in Wuhan in December, said that it will reduce its monthly output due to constraints in the materials supply chain.

“It is expected that production capacity growth will slow down, which may further exacerbate the ongoing global supply shortage of ultra-large-sized display screens in 2020,” the company said in a statement on Wednesday.

According to a statement issued by Hubei authorities on Thursday, enterprises in the province cannot resume work earlier than midnight on February 20, although those exempted from the rules include companies involved in epidemic prevention and control, public utilities, those providing daily necessities, such as supermarkets, and “other related enterprises” important for the national economy and people's livelihoods.

Ah don't care what th' chinee say... They lie, lie, lie... BUY AMERICAN!!!

OA, American, an' proud o' it!!!
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Isn’t someone going to be equal rights for women, and post a pretty pic of a male nurse, lol?!? (Though I have to admit, we may admire, but just looking doesn’t make our blood pressure go up!)

Kathleen
Here ya go...
s-l400.jpg
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ah jes got ma last order o' ammo.

Ordered it at www.usarmorment.com/

2 cases o' .357 magnum 125gr. SJHP (RPT357M1)
Ordered fer 'em on 02/10/2020, got here 10 minutes ago. From Barrington, NJ, by way o' FedEx.
Great product, great service, professional...

Reason I brung this up- wi' supply lines goin' down, best get yer ammo, spare parts, an' yer other supplies, right now!
Wait, an' maybe die...

OA
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just watched a video about New Delhi being the most polluted place in the world. It is like the equivalent of smoking 10 cigarettes a day! I would share but am on an iPad! That and the overcrowding poor city they are, they will be in big ,big trouble!

Yep... They'll cremate 'em, er toss 'em inta th' rivers... Th' gift tha' keeps on givin'...

OA
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
'Mornin', DD.
Don't know what maker o' hawgleg ya have, but have ya tried Triple K?


Lots o' pouches out there. Jes have ta look real hard n' long... Found ma new holsters, fer Thunder n' Lightnin'- ma avatar, at a place called Speed Beez.


Work real fine wi' ma 2 Ruger Super GP100s. Wi' these, yuh kin draw n' fire faster than... Uh, darn. It's them "family" rules, donchaknow... Anyways, they's made o' some space age plastic. Don't roll er wiggle like leather sometimes do. Mayhap they'll have somethin' that'll fit... Pouchin' yer irons is somethin' folks sometimes o'erlook.

Good Luck, ta yer

OA


DD, they's got holsters, fer pouchin' yer pistolas... If'n revolvers, like ah think, mayhap they'll have what ya need...

OA

Look at these:


Mine are here:


Tha's wi' both left an' right hand...

Good Luck!

Triple K is a good company. As I recall, we carried some of those in our shop.

I was lucky to find a leather shop and a very talented artisan in my small town of about a thousand souls. Does great work and I can't complain. Prices were fair for the work he put into the pieces.

OA, I am glad to see you this morning and have a blessed day.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Intense CENSORING implemented. We are now in the throes of full Cabal pull-out-all-stops.

World Health Organization (WHO)
“That’s why we’re also working with search & media companies like @Facebook, @Google, @Pinterest, @TencentGlobal, @Twitter, @tiktok_us, @YouTube and others to counter the spread of rumours & misinformation”- @DrTedros at #MSC2020 on #COVID19 #coronavirus #KnowtheFacts Show this thread World Health Organization

“We’re not just fighting an epidemic; we’re fighting an infodemic. Fake news spreads faster and more easily than this #coronavirus & is just as dangerous”- @DrTedros at #MSC2020 #COVID19
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I just watched a video about New Delhi being the most polluted place in the world. It is like the equivalent of smoking 10 cigarettes a day! I would share but am on an iPad! That and the overcrowding poor city they are, they will be in big ,big trouble!
If this thing is really hygiene related and the explosion in China is due to that factor, (besides being highly contagious), then India is going to be far far worse than China.... just a few months behind....
 
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