CHAT In response to questions ...

medic38572 said:

The terrorism class I took several years in a row in had a picture on the front of the manual of the twin towers with a bulleye target on it. ND and several others here will remember the class. And it was discussed st that time 20+ years ago that 1 missile with the payload changed to small pox and or measles set off above ground Z would wipe out a lot of people as it spread above through air currents rain etc etc at that time a russiun scientist who had escaped russua and came to the us and was given citizenship said there were 4 variations already created with mixtures of both small pox measles and had deadly variations together. No telling what they have now.

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The scientist you mention would be Dr. Ken Alibek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Alibek

RR

You don't need a virus mix. There's a pox in the news this year.

It's gone human-to-human. The reservoir is thought to be rodents. It's crossed international borders (again) this year. It has a 10% mortality rate.

We've got threads on illegals pouring in from all over the world.

We've got threads about rat-vector, old, and horrific diseases originating in L.A.

We've got threads about feds raiding L.A. government offices.

We just got a two year budget. Frees Trump to do his thing protecting America.

I doubt good guys are going to start things. Dark Winter picked a mostly eradicated disease to play with when flu would have been logical.

Panic Sex Lady never sleeps ...

Thanks, Helen. I'll have to go searching around to get a better picture, but I think I'll do it with the sun on my face instead of when darkness lurks at my ankles, ready to pull me down into nightmares. I'll share my chocolate with you. And maybe a beeswax candle to guide you though the night.

Rats are vector for plague. Pneumonic plague, oddly, is spread by cats as well as by coughing humans.

Pneumonic plague is regarded as a bioterrorism agent, but it won't spread any farther than coughing humans and cats and fleas and rats can travel. A wall would stop it fairly well.

Oh look! We just got more money for a wall.

Remember genocide by blankets? Not plague.

Panic Sex Lady rambles ...

I remember genocide by blankets. I'm glad that has not been forgotten. I didn't know that pneumonic plague was spread by cats. Good to know.

And Trump struck a deal with Guatemala concerning asylum today. We'll take all the good news we can get.

I wish you good dreams, Helen.

helen said:

You don't need a virus mix. There's a pox in the news this year.

It's gone human-to-human. The reservoir is thought to be rodents. It's crossed international borders (again) this year. It has a 10% mortality rate.

We've got threads on illegals pouring in from all over the world.

We've got threads about rat-vector, old, and horrific diseases originating in L.A.

We've got threads about feds raiding L.A. government offices.

We just got a two year budget. Frees Trump to do his thing protecting America.

I doubt good guys are going to start things. Dark Winter picked a mostly eradicated disease to play with when flu would have been logical.

Panic Sex Lady never sleeps ...

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As dark as the days have begun to feel, "only" 10% mortality sounds pretty benign. How bout I stay up all night worrying and feeling miserable, and you get some good sleep tonight. I am fairly certain its in my forecast anyways, so.... You go find a bit of respite and comfort, and leave this one to me.

jward said:

As dark as the days have begun to feel, "only" 10% mortality sounds pretty benign. How bout I stay up all night worrying and feeling miserable, and you get some good sleep tonight. I am fairly certain its in my forecast anyways, so.... You go find a bit of respite and comfort, and leave this one to me.

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(((jward)))

10% mortality for one disease out of many.

Panic Sex Lady saved the silk for tonight ...

Shifting gears.

This link goes to a decent explanation of tribal gaming in Oklahoma, and there are other links within.

What happens if the gaming is interrupted? Do you believe every penny of a multi-billion dollar industry is fully accounted for? Do you know who tribes supported in 2016? Do you know what Trump told Congress about tribal gaming in the early 90's?

Have you ever watched how water flows?

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/loc...cle_b739d31b-82b7-5fcf-b76a-1defaf0ea1b5.html

In the last three weeks, Congress started investigating possible weaponization of ticks in the U.S. I'm not surprised.

A few days ago, the Ft. Detrick lab activites were suspended for safety violations. They are known to handle Ebola, plague, and tularemia.

I'm having trouble linking and you guys think I'm blowing bubbles in the bathtub anyway.

FYI - Tularemia can be aerosolized by accidentally hitting a dead infected animal with a lawnmower, so there's that.

This is not to scare you. Just pay attention to little stories buried under big news events.

Helen!!!

Are you ever going to hang out with us again downstairs?

Helen! Missed you...not your warnings, mind you, but you : )

Big 10-:4 on all the lil pieces of the puzzle sliding into place....even those who can't see it, feel it, imo.
Hugs & coffee to ya.

Thanks for the info on tularemia. We found two or three dead bunnies last year. Our young vet friend said a rabbit had been found to have tularemia in our area, diagnosed by the university vet clinic. DH mows with a brushhog and its quite possible to hit dead animals with it. I'll tell him to be careful when he's doing so.

THANK YOU! And no, I don't think you are blowing bubbles. I think a lot of us are listening, but just don't have enough info to respond intelligently. It's good to see you posting. You are missed! I hope all is going well with you.

Pinecone said:

Thanks for the info on tularemia. We found two or three dead bunnies last year. Our young vet friend said a rabbit had been found to have tularemia in our area, diagnosed by the university vet clinic. DH mows with a brushhog and its quite possible to hit dead animals with it. I'll tell him to be careful when he's doing so.

THANK YOU! And no, I don't think you are blowing bubbles. I think a lot of us are listening, but just don't have enough info to respond intelligently. It's good to see you posting. You are missed! I hope all is going well with you.

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This might be a good time to review the meds to treat such threats. As I suspected, doxycycline is one of those usable for tularemia, along with anthrax and actually the majority of bacterial war bugs.

helen said:

In the last three weeks, Congress started investigating possible weaponization of ticks in the U.S. I'm not surprised.

A few days ago, the Ft. Detrick lab activites were suspended for safety violations. They are known to handle Ebola, plague, and tularemia.

I'm having trouble linking and you guys think I'm blowing bubbles in the bathtub anyway.

FYI - Tularemia can be aerosolized by accidentally hitting a dead infected animal with a lawnmower, so there's that.

This is not to scare you. Just pay attention to little stories buried under big news events.

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Coco82919 said:

So what triggered you to have us look this up? I find it upsetting that it was recommended to federalize the National Guard. It seems wise to run a test of such a scenario and have a plan of action. I think the probability of a bio attack on America is high.

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The "Dark Winter" exercise focused primarily upon smallpox - not mentioned, but also being studied, were other types and methods of delivery of several other bio weaponized agents into an unaware and unprepared public scenario. These studies were being quietly conducted during the 1990's.

There is a publication available, online (sorry, the URL has changed over the decades - attached to the Bio-Defense bunch out of Ft. Dietrich/Army Surgeon General Office) that lists over 900 known (at the time of publication/declassification in the mid-1990's) weaponized bio-chem agents, their effects on the human, antidotes, if any, length of time until they kill the human when untreated, how the human died, how transmissible an agent was, as well as the method of transmission, how well an agent spread among a populace, and by what means, etc. - read like a horror story - compiled from formally classified U.S. documentation and studies, as well as former Soviet Union documentation - prior to declassification, the only two known sources, in the world, for this level of compiled info about bio-chem agents resided within the Soviet Union, and the U.S. military. An "executive decision" of some sort was made, in the early-mid 1990's to compile the info from these two sources into one source, declassify, and make available to the public via the then new internet/html webpage - which allowed all sectors of public and private to have an informational baseline as a common reference working point - leading up to, amongst other field studies and ops, the "Dark Winter" effort.


intothegoodnight

I can't interpret this article.

The date is today.

The boy with monkey pox does not appear to be African.
Dinkes Provinsi Investigasi Laporan Kasus Mirip Monkeypox – Website Resmi Dinas Kesehatan Provinsi Gorontalo


https://dinkes.gorontaloprov.go.id/dinkes-provinsi-investigasi-laporan-kasus-mirip-monkeypox/

Duplicate post.

Shaky fingers.


2 minutes, 2 seconds total time.

At one minute (1:00), what Sir Edmund sez ...

https://youtu.be/SvawmV0TF3k

... sez it all.

I wonder how very few people feel that they have not wasted their lives, Helen. Today we measure "success" with material things, inventions, fame, accomplishments we can show others, etc. Those can have great importance, but they are not everything.

You have given us so many smiles and bouts of laughter. You have lifted our spirits, given us new energy, and even the courage to purchase those red silk panties with black lace. No Helen, your life has not been wasted when measured by the love and laughter you have shared with us and those we will never know. Our lives would have been so much poorer without you.

PS. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been putting your breadcrumbs together with news items that give us nightmares in the wee hours of the darkest part of night.

helen said:

I can't interpret this article.

The date is today.

The boy with monkey pox does not appear to be African.
Dinkes Provinsi Investigasi Laporan Kasus Mirip Monkeypox – Website Resmi Dinas Kesehatan Provinsi Gorontalo


https://dinkes.gorontaloprov.go.id/dinkes-provinsi-investigasi-laporan-kasus-mirip-monkeypox/

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Google translate indicates it's Indonesia by language:

According to the report of officers that in the HOSPITAL Bunda Kota Gorontalo There is a patient who is suspect to resemble the case of Monkeypox, after hearing the information, Rapid Motion Team (TGC) extraordinary Genesis (KLB)/outbreak of Gorontalo Provincial health office which led by the head The surveillance and Immunization section of Erni Mansur, SKM., M. Kes., along with the police surveillance officers and the Dinkes City of Gorontalo jointly verify the report.

Erni explained that MJ patients (11 years) with male gender and residential address in Donggala village, Hulonthalangi Subdistrict reported experiencing illness from 8 August 2019 with symptoms arising are red spots and Itching around the chest, but not accompanied by heat.

After that, further Erni the patient was taken to the Puskesmas Hulontalangi and began to arise vesicles (small spots containing clear fluid), because it can not be handled in the Puskesmas then the patient is referred to HOSPITAL Bunda Kota Gorontalo, Sunday (10/08/2019), after In HOSPITAL sufferers began to heat.

"We've done interviews and those patients didn't travel abroad or go out of the dive area 2 weeks before illness, and never contact with the animals of the infected monkeypox disease such as apes or rats" said Erni.

According to Erni, in accordance with TGC analysis and medical consultation in RS and the central Experts team in the Ministry of Health that the patient is not sure Suspect monkeypox because the risk factor does not support, he explained.

Further clarify the results of the investigation, the team was planned to go down conducting an epidemiological investigation in the environment around the patient's residence, Saturday (17/08/2019).

For the prevention, Erni told the community to implement clean and healthy living behavior (PHBS), such as washing hands with flowing water and soap, or using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. Also avoid direct contact with rats or primates and restrict direct exposure to blood or meat that is not well cooked, avoiding physical contact with contaminated sufferers or materials, including beds or clothing Already used by the sufferer.

In addition, people are encouraged to avoid contact with wild animals or consume meat that is poked from wild animals (bush meat), for those who travel and new back from the infected territory to be checked immediately if experiencing Sudden high fever symptoms, enlarged lymph nodes and skin rash, in less than 3 weeks after return, and informs about its travel history.

Last for health officers, said Erni to use a complete personal protective equipment (APD) includes gloves, masks, armor and face protectors when handling patients or sick animals.

I'm certainly not sure of the correctness of the translation, but that's the best I could get. It's enough to give me the willies.....

Helen, we all miss you when you're not here!

A child that age with no known animal vectors is concerning, given he's nowhere near the African hot spots.

But hey, maybe it's just something else.

One of the "something else's" is not comforting at all. I don't know about the others. Maybe I don't wanta.

I'm with ya, Pinecone. Smallpox was the first that came to my mind. God spare us.

intothatgoodnight said:

The "Dark Winter" exercise focused primarily upon smallpox - not mentioned, but also being studied, were other types and methods of delivery of several other bio weaponized agents into an unaware and unprepared public scenario. These studies were being quietly conducted during the 1990's.

There is a publication available, online (sorry, the URL has changed over the decades - attached to the Bio-Defense bunch out of Ft. Dietrich/Army Surgeon General Office) that lists over 900 known (at the time of publication/declassification in the mid-1990's) weaponized bio-chem agents, their effects on the human, antidotes, if any, length of time until they kill the human when untreated, how the human died, how transmissible an agent was, as well as the method of transmission, how well an agent spread among a populace, and by what means, etc. - read like a horror story - compiled from formally classified U.S. documentation and studies, as well as former Soviet Union documentation - prior to declassification, the only two known sources, in the world, for this level of compiled info about bio-chem agents resided within the Soviet Union, and the U.S. military. An "executive decision" of some sort was made, in the early-mid 1990's to compile the info from these two sources into one source, declassify, and make available to the public via the then new internet/html webpage - which allowed all sectors of public and private to have an informational baseline as a common reference working point - leading up to, amongst other field studies and ops, the "Dark Winter" effort.


intothegoodnight

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I remember reading some serious stuff about how the Norks had a biowarfare program that relied upon smallpox. This was less than 15 years ago.

!-10 are reasonably current.


https://www.google.com/search?q=North+Korea+Bioweapons+Program&ie=&oe=




"Sweet Dreams"!!!!

Dark Winter - Ft. Detrick lab is shut down with no firm date to reopen.

Monkeypox articles are - forgive the pun - popping up all over health related news sites in Africa, Indonesia, and occasionally South America.

Other Than Mexican (OTM) walk over the border by the thousands weekly.

The court upheld the ban on non-Mexican asylum seekers just now.

CBP did manual processing on international flights just now.

A little child is sick in Indonesia. I hope he gets well soon.

You don't need to take precautions for this in your daily lives. Just know that the more sensational news covers little trends in other places.

Panic Sex Lady knows you know what to do ...

helen said:

Dark Winter - Ft. Detrick lab is shut down with no firm date to reopen.

Monkeypox articles are - forgive the pun - popping up all over health related news sites in Africa, Indonesia, and occasionally South America.

Other Than Mexican (OTM) walk over the border by the thousands weekly.

The court upheld the ban on non-Mexican asylum seekers just now.

CBP did manual processing on international flights just now.

A little child is sick in Indonesia. I hope he gets well soon.

You don't need to take precautions for this in your daily lives. Just know that the more sensational news covers little trends in other places.

Panic Sex Lady knows you know what to do ...

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Helen,

Thanks for the update.

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Helen, in the saying, "The darkest nights produce the brightest stars"...you are one of those 'brightest stars'.

Thank you for being you.

You are all very kind. The only message in all these years has been to fear not, no matter what happens. Some strange stuff is going to happen and you know what to do.

Panic Sex Lady unwittingly viewed a thread containing overly descriptive personal hygiene issues. Remember, keep it clean ...

Mainstream.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/national/health-science/monkeypox/?noredirect=on

Edited to add: Two teenagers walked up to the researchers with suspected viral infections with monkeypox. They were given fever-reducing medications and antibiotics to prevent secondary bacterial infections.

I have to work. Would some of you run down which antibiotics cover skin infections?

With regard to Reyes syndrome and over the counter fever meds, which can be given to children?

I'm serious. Have a nice day.

Wow. Thank you for this, Helen.

Also, as an aside, this may be the first well-written news article I've read in over a year. Few typos, writing with a 'voice', where someone understood things like tempo and (gasp!) grammar. The special effects mean it's hard to c&p though, unfortunately.

Thank you!

Helen, a family member was recently given Keflex after second degree burns to ward off skin infection. Also used for an infected bursitis which could have been caused by a thorn, also this year.

My kids were given Tylenol for kids to avoid Reyes syndrome from aspirin. Both kids had chickenpox and both had to go on antibiotics to clear up a couple of pox that refused to heal. I don't remember what they were given for that. That was decades ago.

Hopefully someone with a medical degree can chime in for you, but that's what I've learned over the years.

Pinecone said:

Helen, a family member was recently given Keflex after second degree burns to ward off skin infection. Also used for an infected bursitis which could have been caused by a thorn, also this year.

My kids were given Tylenol for kids to avoid Reyes syndrome from aspirin. Both kids had chickenpox and both had to go on antibiotics to clear up a couple of pox that refused to heal. I don't remember what they were given for that. That was decades ago.

Hopefully someone with a medical degree can chime in for you, but that's what I've learned over the years.

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IIRC, many members here have pet fish. Have we all got meds IN HAND should our fishies get an ailment? Meds might get scarce if everyone's fish-tank gets icky at the same time.

helen said:

Mainstream.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/national/health-science/monkeypox/?noredirect=on

Edited to add: Two teenagers walked up to the researchers with suspected viral infections with monkeypox. They were given fever-reducing medications and antibiotics to prevent secondary bacterial infections.

I have to work. Would some of you run down which antibiotics cover skin infections?

With regard to Reyes syndrome and over the counter fever meds, which can be given to children?

I'm serious. Have a nice day.

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https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/59/2/e10/2895845

https://www.accp.com/docs/bookstore/psap/2015B1.SampleChapter.pdf

please note this is just a snippet of he skin infections and recommendations made. The link provides much more information and guidelines for the treatment and was reflective of the best medical practices as of 2014

. Practice Guidelines for the Diagnosis and Management of Skin and Soft Tissue Infections: 2014 Update by the Infectious Diseases Society of America

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 59, Issue 2, 15 July 2014, Pages e10–e52, https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciu296
Published: 15 July 2014 Article history
A correction has been published:
Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 60, Issue 9, 1 May 2015, Page 1448, https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/civ114]

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/59/2/e10/2895845

Executive Summary
Summarized below are the recommendations made in the new guidelines for skin and soft tissue infections (SSTIs). Figure 1 was developed to simplify the management of localized purulent staphylococcal infections such as skin abscesses, furuncles, and carbuncles in the age of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). In addition, Figure 2 is provided to simplify the approach to patients with surgical site infections. The panel followed a process used in the development of other Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) guidelines, which included a systematic weighting of the strength of recommendation and quality of evidence using the GRADE (Grading of Recommendations Assessment, Development, and Evaluation) system (Table 1) [1–4]. A detailed description of the methods, background, and evidence summaries that support each of the recommendations can be found in the full text of the guidelines.


Antimicrobial Therapy for Staphylococcal and Streptococcal Skin and Soft Tissue Infections

Disease Entity Antibiotic Dosage, Adults Dosage, Childrena Comment
Impetigob (Staphylococcus and Streptococcus) Dicloxacillin 250 mg qid po N/A N/A
Cephalexin 250 mg qid po 25–50 mg/kg/d in 3–4 divided doses po N/A
Erythromycin 250 mg qid poc 40 mg/kg/d in 3–4 divided doses po Some strains of Staphylococcus aureus and Streptococcus pyogenes may be resistant.
Clindamycin 300–400 mg qid po 20 mg/kg/d in 3 divided doses po N/A
Amoxicillin-clavulanate 875/125 mg bid po 25 mg/kg/d of the amoxicillin component in 2 divided doses po N/A
Retapamulin ointment Apply to lesions bid Apply to lesions bid For patients with limited number of lesions
Mupirocin ointment Apply to lesions bid Apply to lesions bid For patients with limited number of lesions
MSSA SSTI Nafcillin or oxacillin 1-2 g every 4 h IV 100–150 mg/kg/d in 4 divided doses Parental drug of choice; inactive against MRSA
Cefazolin 1 g every 8 h IV 50 mg/kg/d in 3 divided doses For penicillin-allergic patients except those with immediate hypersensitivity reactions. More convenient than nafcillin with less bone marrow suppression
Clindamycin 600 mg every 8 h IV or
300–450 mg qid po 25–40 mg/kg/d in 3 divided doses IV or
25–30 mg/kg/d in 3 divided doses po Bacteriostatic; potential of cross-resistance and emergence of resistance in erythromycin-resistant strains; inducible resistance in MRSA
Dicloxacillin 500 mg qid po 25–50 mg/kg/d in 4 divided doses po Oral agent of choice for methicillin-susceptible strains in adults. Not used much in pediatrics
Cephalexin 500 mg qid po 25–50 mg/kg/d 4 divided doses po For penicillin-allergic patients except those with immediate hypersensitivity reactions. The availability of a suspension and requirement for less frequent dosing
Doxycycline, minocycline 100 mg bid po Not recommended for age <8 yd Bacteriostatic; limited recent clinical experience
Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole 1–2 double-strength tablets bid po 8–12 mg/kg (based on trimethoprim component) in either 4 divided doses IV or 2 divided doses po Bactericidal; efficacy poorly documented
MRSA SSTI Vancomycin 30 mg/kg/d in 2 divided doses IV 40 mg/kg/d in 4 divided doses IV For penicillin allergic patients; parenteral drug of choice for treatment of infections caused by MRSA
Linezolid 600 mg every 12 h IV or 600 mg bid po 10 mg/kg every 12 h IV or po for children <12 y Bacteriostatic; limited clinical experience; no cross-resistance with other antibiotic classes; expensive
Clindamycin 600 mg every 8 h IV or 300–450 mg qid po 25–40 mg/kg/d in 3 divided doses IV or 30–40 mg/kg/d in 3 divided doses po Bacteriostatic; potential of cross-resistance and emergence of resistance in erythromycin-resistant strains; inducible resistance in MRSA. Important option for children
Daptomycin 4 mg/kg every 24 h IV N/A Bactericidal; possible myopathy
Ceftaroline 600 mg bid IV N/A Bactericidal
Doxycycline, minocycline 100 mg bid po Not recommended for age <8 yd Bacteriostatic; limited recent clinical experience
Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole 1–2 double-strength tablets bid po 8–12 mg/kg/d (based on trimethoprim component) in either 4 divided doses IV or 2 divided doses po Bactericidal; limited published efficacy data
Non-purulent SSTI (cellulitis) Adult dosage Pediatric dosage antimicrobial agents for patients with severe penicillin hypersensitivity N/A
Streptococcal skin infections Penicillin 2–4 million units every 4–6 h IV
Clindamycin 600–900 mg every 8 h IV
Nafcillin 1–2 g every 4–6 h IV
Cefazolin 1 g every 8 h IV
Penicillin VK 250–500 mg every 6 h po
Cephalexin 500 mg every 6 h po Penicillin 60–100 000 units/kg/dose every 6 h
10–13 mg/kg dose every 8 h IV
50 mg/kg/dose every 6 h
33 mg/kg/dose every 8 h IV Clindamycin, vancomycin, linezolid, daptomycin, or telavancin. Clindamycin resistance is <1% but may be increasing in Asia N/A

Sorry Helen. The article and pdf i shared have much of the info, but are resisting my best copy and paste efforts...

Calvert vet has a nice selection of meds for all your fish needs...

And Dontcha being worrying your pretty lil head overly much... Im sitting here with a massive infection on leg, gastric issues, and low grade fever...and I am doing fine with out medical interventions.

jward said:

.and I am doing fine with out medical interventions.

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Uhhhh, Lawyerin or doctorin yoself should be in small doses. Please don't wait too long. You're obviously smart enough to know when. Don't know your stubbornness level.

Luddite said:

Uhhhh, Lawyerin or doctorin yoself should be in small doses. Please don't wait too long. You're obviously smart enough to know when. Don't know your stubbornness level.

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Thanks. . Stubborness is ...well...were it a virtue, lol...
But, yes, I am watching closely and every sign of disease is receeding rapidly, so its all good.

Do take care of yourself, jward. We would miss your pretty writing should you end up feeding the worms.

This is a good time and place to once again implore anyone who has a list of drugs, dosages by weight age and conditions, from the green pages to share...

We of course only read for educational purposes, etc, but...i used to have a really nice guideline from them that I can no longer find...and, of course, it never hurts to have that info...

Likewise, the info on the two links given to Helen have wonderful flow charts, graphs etc, that will print nicely and make it easy for a layman to ascertain whats going on and what might be done...