CRIME 21 Killed in Mexican Gang Shootout NEAR U.S./ARIZONA BORDER

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HERMOSILLO, Mexico - A massive gun battle between rival drug and migrant trafficking gangs near the U.S. border Thursday left 21 people dead and at least six others wounded, prosecutors said. The fire fight occurred in a sparsely populated area about 12 miles from the Arizona border, near the city of Nogales, that is considered a prime corridor for immigrant and drug smuggling.

The Sonora state Attorney General's Office said in a statement that nine people were captured by police at the scene of the shootings, six of whom had been wounded in the confrontation. Eight vehicles and seven weapons were also seized. All of the victims were believed to be members of the gangs. The shootings occurred near a dirt road between the hamlets of Tubutama and Saric, in an area often used by traffickers. Gangs often fight for control of trafficking routes and sometimes steal "shipments" of undocumented migrants from each other, but seldom have they staged such mass gun battles.

Gang violence near the Arizona border has led to calls from officials in the U.S. state for greater control of the border and is one reason given for a controversial law passed in April requiring Arizona police to ask people about their immigration status in certain situations.

In a city on another part of the U.S. border, gunmen killed an assistant attorney general for Chihuahua state and one of her bodyguards. After being chased by armed assailants through the darkened streets of Ciudad Juarez, the vehicle carrying Sandra Salas Garcia and two bodyguards was riddled with bullets Wednesday night. Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Attorney General's Office, said the second bodyguard was seriously wounded.
Salas was responsible for evaluating the work of prosecutors and special investigations units in Chihuahua.

Drug violence has killed more than 4,300 people in recent years in Ciudad Juarez, which borders El Paso, Texas. More than 23,000 people have been killed by drug violence since late 2006, when President Felipe Calderon began deploying thousands of troops and federal police to drug hot spots.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/07/01/20100701drug-war-near-border.html
 
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Jeez, remember the old *terrorist mantra* about how we were going to fight them over there so we didn't have to fight them here?



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Josie

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Another sad outcome of our useless government refusing to close the border and enforce the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
 
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gelatinous

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Pete Stark will be at the "secure" border to greet them as they march across to the 80 miles of AZ that has been declared to dangerous for Americans.
 
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If a bomb were to go off in the US and kill 21 people, the fed would be all over it, looking for a way to expand their control over the people and promising to never let it happen again, in return for a reduction of rights.

But, if one state tries to stop the killing in the first place, they want to jump up and down, screaming "racial profiling".

They make me sick. I'll never be ashamed to call myself an American. But, I'm damned ashamed of some of the politicians that call themselves Americans.
 
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Other recent (2 days) incidences from Mexico ...

El Diario (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 7/1/10

Chihuahua State Attorney General’s official slain

Sandra Salas Garcia, the state of Chihuahua’s Assistant State Attorney General for Internal Affairs, Analysis and Evaluation, was ambushed, shot and killed last night in Ciudad Juarez, along with one of her two security escorts. The vehicle in which she was riding was hit by at least twenty-two rounds of high power ammunition. A second escort was wounded. Other assassinations of personnel of the internal affairs office have also taken place in the past.

http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.php?notaid=5de67a5691eeeb08b93e18373f2a96a0

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A late evening stroll through a Juarez park

In Ciudad Juarez late yesterday evening, pedestrians passing by a park at Morelia and Grosella Sts., in the Edendira neighborhood, found a metal rod nailed to the trunk of a tree. The rod, in turn, held a male human torso off the ground. The head, both arms and both legs had been dumped nearby. “No item of clothing to cover the severed parts was seen, which made for an even more crude image.”

http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.php?notaid=21ac16e0a90daf300ecc6520880d2d39

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El Imparcial (Hermosillo, Sonora) 7/1/10

Body of policeman found

The body found last Saturday on the highway between Sonoita, and Puerto Penasco, Sonora (“Rocky Point,” a popular tourist beach near the north end of the Gulf of California), has been identified as that of a Puerto Penasco city policeman who disappeared on May 8th. He’d been shot at least twice.

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El Informador (Guadalajara, Jalisco) 7/1/10

Area alert issued

The U.S. Consulate in Guadalajara, Jalisco, has issued an alert to U.S. citizens who reside or plan to visit in the area. The alert is due to the insecurity in Guadalajara’s metro area, and states that Mexican officials recently commented that “the police are unable to combat organized crime effectively, and the drug cartels’ violence can affect innocent civilians.” As an example, the alert cites a shootout on a local highway on June 24 between police and hired killers. The consulate warns that “the climate of security in the consular district continues to deteriorate.” The consulate’s area covers the states of Jalisco, Aguascalientes, Colima and Nayarit.

http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisc...mision-de-alerta-por-seguridad-en-jalisco.htm

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Reforma (Mexico City) 7/1/10 (As quoted in El Financiero (Mexico City))

Bloody statistics for Mexico

From January 1st to June 25th of this year there have been 5,478 homicides in Mexico, a number 86.9% higher than that reported in 2009, when they reached 2,930. This year, the daily average of deaths linked to organized crime is 31. The total number of executions for 2009 was 6,587.

http://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/ElFi...cId=271193&docTipo=1&orderby=docid&sortby=ASC

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La Prensa Grafica (San Salvador, El Salvador) 7/1/10

Bloody statistics for El Salvador

El Salvador’s National Police reported that there were 2,177 assassinations in the country during the first half of this year. The tally for June was 378, which means that 13 Salvadorans lost their lives every 24 hours due to murder. The wave of criminality has obligated the national government to use the country’s armed forces to assist the police since Nov. 2009.

http://www.laprensagrafica.com/el-s...-victimas-de-la-violencia-en-el-salvador.html
 
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Thanks, Joann, for those additions, which are a daily occurance indeed. And here is further proof of the continuing disintegration of that country . . . and why an open, unsecurred border IS a threat to us.

Mexico vote goes ahead despite slain candidate
CIUDAD VICTORIA, Mexico - Drug cartels fund a tenth of Mexico's economy. They have infiltrated many local and state police forces and staged assaults on army bases. Now they're violently inserting themselves into politics, killing the leading candidate for governor of a northern state only days before Sunday's elections in 12 states.

The assassination of Rodolfo Torre in the border state of Tamaulipas on Monday capped the deadliest month yet in President Felipe Calderon's military-led offensive against drug traffickers. Carefully planned attacks - including an ambush that killed 12 federal police officers - have served as chilling reminders that Mexico's drug cartels can get to anyone, anywhere, armed with sophisticated weaponry and billions of dollars to pay off informants. Mexican officials said Sunday's voting would go forward as planned, including in Tamaulipas, where Torre's replacement as candidate of the Institutional Revolutionary Party had not even been named.

But even as Calderon's government urged citizens to stand up to the cartels by turning out to vote, Mexicans increasingly see the cartels - not Calderon - as having the upper hand. "Organized crime has voted," the national newspaper Reforma wrote in a front-page editorial Tuesday. "What's the point of having elections when a de-facto power is imposing its will over the will of citizens?"

Rest of this article at:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/29/20100629mexico-election-candidate-funeral.html
 
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Seeker ...

Question, can we use this thread to add daily the new material coming from Mexico on murders/assassinations? There is a lot of good content already and perhaps you could cross post the link to the other recent thread up today about the 12 Fed police where were massacred with photos.

Most often these reports lose impact when scattered, and the escalation of carnage in Mexico and Central America is mindboggling. To have one place that would centralize content with daily feed would be most advantageous.

Perhaps after a few days a thread title change would be in order for a more ubiquitous category of daily atrocities occurring south of our border.

Just a thought.
 
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Seeker said:
Thanks, Joann, for those additions, which are a daily occurance indeed. And here is further proof of the continuing disintegration of that country . . . and why an open, unsecurred border IS a threat to us.

Mexico vote goes ahead despite slain candidate
CIUDAD VICTORIA, Mexico - Drug cartels fund a tenth of Mexico's economy. They have infiltrated many local and state police forces and staged assaults on army bases. Now they're violently inserting themselves into politics, killing the leading candidate for governor of a northern state only days before Sunday's elections in 12 states.

The assassination of Rodolfo Torre in the border state of Tamaulipas on Monday capped the deadliest month yet in President Felipe Calderon's military-led offensive against drug traffickers. Carefully planned attacks - including an ambush that killed 12 federal police officers - have served as chilling reminders that Mexico's drug cartels can get to anyone, anywhere, armed with sophisticated weaponry and billions of dollars to pay off informants. Mexican officials said Sunday's voting would go forward as planned, including in Tamaulipas, where Torre's replacement as candidate of the Institutional Revolutionary Party had not even been named.

But even as Calderon's government urged citizens to stand up to the cartels by turning out to vote, Mexicans increasingly see the cartels - not Calderon - as having the upper hand. "Organized crime has voted," the national newspaper Reforma wrote in a front-page editorial Tuesday. "What's the point of having elections when a de-facto power is imposing its will over the will of citizens?"

Rest of this article at:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/29/20100629mexico-election-candidate-funeral.html
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Can you possibly imagine what would happen in this country, if a gang of armed drug runners attacked a military post on US soil? Probably nothing, with this POS POTUS.
 
Seeker

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Joann, I was thinking the exact same thing - grand suggestion! Will send you a PM and will consult with a mod. I can change the title up til 8 a.m. tomorrow . Want to keep it focussed on Arizona? (I kinda' would, because we are so much in the news and people just don't seem to realize what its like out here. We have a national audience - this just might help them understand why our governor/legislature is taking action).
 
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I've heard rumor that Texas Minute Men are forming and will take of the problem that the U.S. Government has not. Any Texans care to elaborate?:shr:
 
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denfoote

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Josie said:
Another sad outcome of our useless government refusing to close the border and enforce the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
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This is all about luring undocumented Democrats into the country.

We need to arrest every Fed in the State, drive 'em all to the State line, shoot 'em in the ass, and send 'em on their merry way!!
 
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Update, from a personal source:

Mexican press is reporting possibly 29 dead! Nine arrested, 20 to 29 dead, lots of wounded. A caravan of polleros (coyotes) was heading to pick up central with a load and they were targeted by an opposing cartel. No innocent people were killed or wounded - just the bad guys! Ages? 15-25, very young hit men!! AND 2 heads were found burning at a local cemetery, which is about 150 yards from the border.
 
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Joann said:
I don't know about this org., found it on another forum, maybe a splinter of group is what you're speaking of in Texas? There is a video at bottom of site.

Heavily armed U.S. citizens patrol the Mexican Border

http://www.examiner.com/x-48249-San...y-armed-US-citizens-patrol-the-Mexican-Border
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From the article:

A group of citizens plans to arm themselves with heavy weaponry and patrol the Vekol Valley area of Pinal County, looking for drug smugglers entering the country. They plan to conduct their patrol operation from 3:00pm Saturday to 3:00pm Sunday.
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Just like the NYT, this narco traitor just gave the plans to the cartels.

Heavy weaponry??

Yeah, if you are a liberal, communist, anti gun, open borders, traitor (did I just say traitor again) who needs to be marched up the gallows steps at gunpoint.
 
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Personal note:

For the past five years I have been keeping close tabs on the invasion from Mexico, especially living in southern Arizona, and each year the problems and threats escalate exponentially. Only a fraction of the violence is reported in MSM, there are hundreds of criminal acts daily that the empowered drug, human smuggling cartels, and individual criminally minded IAs, execute on citizens of America.

Of course, there are good hard working people in that mix of the invasion mass and they are as much victims of their our government as we are of ours. However, our economy can no longer support benefits given to them from their anchor babies (that’s the first goal when arriving is to have a baby that anchors them to the US, we all know this).

At first the threats of this invasion were cultural because of the non assimilation attitude, enabled by organizations like LaRaza, MeCHA, LULAC, etc..

Then the threats were economic which can be seen in state budget bankruptcy status. Expenses of education, child benefits, free natal delivery, and emergency room healthcare which is not compensated thru their low income statue and cash transactions where they pay not taxes, however, consume benefits.

Other state expenses include increased crimes committed by individual IA’s required hugh police budgets, state sponsored attorneys, court costs, and incarceration costs.

Costs, cost, and more cost, while the cash transactions are not taxed for their labor, however, 35 to 48 billion is sent back in remittances to Mexico each year. These examples are mere highlights.

Now we are faced with violence threats from their warlord insurgent leader (see article below). It is no coincidence that Mexico is the world’s #1 kidnaping capitol and Phoenix is #2. Not only is our border in a war zone, just take a look at any metropolitan area that is populated with south American gangs. South Central LA anyone? Bankrupt Maywood, CA. The list is endless.

Five years ago, I used to keep each and every incident reported of this ongoing threat, at first it was like reading a posit note floating on top of a stream of water, now the posit notes are passing by on a fast moving river that I can hardly keep up, and my computer is full.

All of this is not going to end well. The real threat to our nation is not in Afghanistan, the real threat is on our own border it’s Mexico and Washington DeeCee.

Of the 23,000 reported death by cartels in Mexico during the past 3.5 years, one-third involved beheading and decapitation ... this shows what we are dealing with. Remember this while celebrating the 4th tomorrow ... freedom is not free ... it requires high maintenance.

July 01, 2010
The Southern Border Could Get Much Worse
By Robert Eugene Simmons Jr

The southern border of the USA is no longer something that we can ignore or use as a political tool. Successive presidents have failed to control this border for one reason or another, but the escalation of drug cartel violence on the southern side of the border is making the issue of illegal immigration almost an afterthought. It seems that if something doesn't change, we could be looking at an all-out war with Mexican drug cartels.

Police Chief Jeff Kirkham of the border town Nogales, Arizona, told Tucson Channel 9 (ABC) news that he has received threats*that the Mexican drug cartels will start using snipers to target on- and off-duty police officers from across the border.



Given the fact that Nogales sits right on the border with the town of Heroica Nogales on the other side, the threat is entirely credible and feasible. Heroica Nogales would provide ample places to hide within sniper range of many parts of Nogales. With an effective range of over one mile, modern rifles could easily target U.S. citizens and police in an eerie echo of the siege of Sarajevo in the Bosnian war.

If snipers start setting up shop in Heroica Nogales, we certainly won't be able to count on the Mexican military to take care of the problem. The cartels clearly don't fear the Mexican military, given the enormous intimidation and bribery that they are able to bring to the table. Leaked stories of massive Mexican military corruption and intimidation are commonplace in the border regions.

Given that the Mexican military would be of dubious worth, what options are left for the Obama administration to deal with the problem? Would Obama fire predator missiles into Mexico from drones to take out snipers, or would the risk of a real military conflict with the regular Mexican army and civilian casualties make that option out of the question? Would counter-snipers be employed to take out drug cartel snipers? Given Obama's reluctance to deploy anything more than logistic personnel from the National Guard to the border, the answer is likely "no." If Obama will not authorize return fire, what is the game plan for the police and civilians being shot at from across the border? If Obama did authorize return fire across the border, how would Mexico react to military snipers from our side shooting drug cartel snipers from theirs? Finally, what would the rules of engagement be? Would American military snipers be authorized to take out anyone deemed a threat, or would the life of a police officer or civilian have to be taken before they can fire back? Even the military will admit that counter-sniper operations are complex and fraught with risk.

However dismal the sniper scenario sounds, the problem doesn't stop there. The Mexican drug cartels are exceptionally well-manned and armed with fully automatic AK-47 rifles, RPGs, and standard grenades, none of which are available for sale in the USA. How long before the cartels realize that they have far more men and armament than a border crossing and outright attack the police manning the crossing? It could start with the Mexican border control agents abandoning their post to avoid certain death and end with the cartels attacking a border crossing, thus opening up a floodgate through which tens of thousands of illegal immigrants, narcotics traffickers, criminals, and terrorists could flood into the USA in a matter of hours.

If the Mexican drug cartels stop fighting each other and unite, this scenario could rapidly become a catastrophe. Imagine a wave of violent drug cartels overrunning the border, crossing in Nogales and then the entire town. The most frightening thing is that the scenario is entirely plausible. With a foothold in the USA, the flood of people and narcotics would be virtually unstoppable, and we would end up with an urban war in our own borders.

Make no mistake that America is under an invasion. The army is not that of the Mexican government, but it is an invasion nonetheless. If we continue to turn a blind eye to the situation, it could easily escalate out of control into an international and human catastrophe. We can no longer wait and see what happens on the border and then react to it. Any military strategist will tell you that if you are merely reacting, you are losing.

It's time that we send the American military, not just the National Guard, to the border to defend the USA, as is the responsibility of the federal government. This suggestion is not meant to disparage the Arizona National Guard, but they are simply not built for large-scale combat operations, and this is no longer just a simple law enforcement situation. We need to secure the border with combat troops and convince the Mexican drug cartels that they are better off squabbling with each other than fighting the USA. In fact, if the border becomes so secure that nothing can get through, the cartels will have to find other routes for their drug trade, leave the border area, and improve the lives of law-abiding Mexicans on the other side of the border as well.

In addition to securing the border, it is time for Mexican President Calderón and Obama to meet to discuss the possibilities of worsening assaults on the border and our possible responses to these events before they actually happen. If protocols and understandings are there beforehand, the likelihood of any incident spinning out of control into a war is greatly reduced.

Finally, Obama needs to reprioritize his administration away from attempting to sue Arizona and toward addressing the problem that prompted Arizona to pass the law in the first place. Only after the border is secure should we talk about what to do about illegal immigrants still in the USA and expanding work permit programs for law-abiding Mexicans to make a living here.

Video at site: http://www.americanthinker.com/prin...om/2010/07/the_southern_border_could_get.html

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NEW ENTRIES ...

McAllen (Texas) Monitor*
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U.S. Consulate in Monterrey issues new warning about Mexico violence*

Reynosa, Tamps., Mex. -- Two gunmen were killed and two soldiers injured after the gunmen attacked Mexican soldiers on patrol in Reynosa early Tuesday morning, according to a news release from the Mexican Defense Ministry. -- The Mexican military seized 18 military-style uniforms made in North America, four vehicles, two rifles...

(please go to site for the article)

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/mount-40441-casualties-new.html
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Dallas Morning News *
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Violence weighs on mayor election in Juárez***

Juarez, Chih., Mex. -- In one of the world's most dangerous cities, where the mayor has faced constant and bizarre death threats – one message was delivered in a severed pig's head – many wonder why anyone would want to run for office to replace him. -- Mayor José Reyes Ferriz smiles at the question...

(please go to site for the article)

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/070310dnintmexelex.1bb9659.html
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http://m3report.wordpress.com/

El Diario (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 6/30/10

Gunfire from Juarez hit El Paso

At least seven shots fired from Ciudad Juarez reached across the Rio Grande River yesterday afternoon (Tues.) and impacted the west wall and a window of El Paso’s City Hall building. There were no injuries and the case is under investigation. Some of the projectiles were said to be from AK-47 assault rifle. On the Mexican side of the river, a federal police agent was shot and killed at the same time.
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Frontera (Tijuana, Baja Calif.) 6/30/10

“Executions continue night and dawn”

Four persons were murdered in less than 12 hours in Tijuana. Part of one victim’s body was found dumped in a trash bin. Tijuana’s homicide tally has now reached 415 for the year, and 49 for this month.
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Joann

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Guardian's story on the 21 murders ...

You can go to site for full detail, which there are some new interesting points exposed, which has not been posted in this thread, for example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/02/mexico-drug-gangs-deadly-gunfight

"The stage for Sunday is looking rather terrifying in some cases," Mexico's former human rights ombudsman Emilio Alvarez Icaza told MVS radio. "I don't think we have reached the bottom yet."

Tension surged through the week after the murder on Monday of the frontrunner in the election race in the north-eastern state of Tamaulipas. The death of Rodolfo Torre Cantú was the highest profile political assassination since Luis Donaldo Colosio, a presidential candidate, was killed in 1994 and was a clear sign that drug violence has now become a major factor in Mexican politics.

Cantú was gunned down on his way to a campaign rally in an ambush by hitmen reportedly dressed as marines but assumed to belong to one of the cartels operating in the area. His candidacy has been taken over by his brother Egidio Torre Cantú. The cover of the latest issue of the weekly news magazine Proceso featured a map of Mexico highlighting the states with elections beside the headline Narcoelecciones.

The state most directly affected by drug trafficking and the cartels is Chihuahua, location of Ciudad Juárez, which many now claim is the most violent city in the world . A top prosecutor was killed in the city on Wednesday when gunmen attacked the car she was travelling in. The following day a decapitated body and its severed head were left outside the house of the frontrunner in the mayoral race.. Héctor Murguía has been accused during the campaign of having links to one of the gangs fighting for supremacy in the city.
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Come mid-term elections here in the states, I predict that the libs will take the brass ring.

When that happens, not if, this whole mess will come smashing down on the lib's heads, along with some of our own heads.

Watch for it!

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Joann

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Don't know if this needs a new thread or not ...

But for time being will post it here referencing violence from our bordering country of Mexico. Mods, move or let me know if you wish a new thread. The reason I don't want to start a new thread is that scattered threads about what is happening in Mexico lose impact.

12 people killed during elections in Juárez

By Adriana Gómez Licón / El Paso Times
http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_15443116

Posted: 07/05/2010 11:51:05 PM MDT

A man was beaten to death and hung from his house's fence in Juárez this morning, Chihuahua state police said.

Police arrived to the Los Almendros subdivision about 6 a.m. to respond to the murder. They have not identified the man who appears to be between 35 and 40 years old. Police reported threatening messages were written on the man's chest and back.

In total, eight people were killed in Juárez on Sunday, when thousands headed to the polls to elect the mayor and Chihuahua governor.

Four have been killed today, state police said.

Among the murders, a man found close to midnight Sunday appeared to have been tortured.

Police said the unidentified man was pierced from his mouth to his genitals with an iron rod. The body of the man between 30 and 35 was also half-burned.

A message to gang members was also left at the scene.

Adriana Gómez Licón may be reached at agomez@elpasotimes.com; 546-6129.
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Seeker

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UPDATE: UNKNOWN NUMBER KILLED NEAR SITE OF ORIGINAL SHOOTOUT IN APPARENT RETALIATION.

shootout en el "SARIC" Sonora...20 people killed? retribution for the 21 previously killed in area?

http://www.elimparcial.com/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/30072010/460993.aspx

A shooting was registered in the afternoon-last night of yesterday in the neighborhood of the Municipality of Sáric, but due to the intense detonations with firearms that listened authorities of the Municipal Police chose to take shelter, informed police sources into the region of Altar River. Today in the morning an operative one on between elements of the Mexican Army began, Police Municipal of Altar, Saric, Tubutama and Investigating State Policía to make a recognition of the damages. A settler of the Sáric commented that the detonations with firearm were begun to listen to near the 19:00 hours reason why they took shelter in its houses, the commerce closed and they did not leave until today in the morning. Until the moment the number of dead is not known that it left the confrontation that provoked outside the Municipal head.

Original text in above cite - Babelfish translation offered for confirmation.
 
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This is the first I've heard. Sáric, Sonora, Mexico is a tiny village see photo, and about 30 miles SW of Nogales, MX. What a blow to this town which looks to support only about 800-1k.
 

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Seeker said:
UPDATE: UNKNOWN NUMBER KILLED NEAR SITE OF ORIGINAL SHOOTOUT IN APPARENT RETALIATION.

shootout en el "SARIC" Sonora...20 people killed? retribution for the 21 previously killed in area?

http://www.elimparcial.com/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/30072010/460993.aspx

A shooting was registered in the afternoon-last night of yesterday in the neighborhood of the Municipality of Sáric, but due to the intense detonations with firearms that listened authorities of the Municipal Police chose to take shelter, informed police sources into the region of Altar River. Today in the morning an operative one on between elements of the Mexican Army began, Police Municipal of Altar, Saric, Tubutama and Investigating State Policía to make a recognition of the damages. A settler of the Sáric commented that the detonations with firearm were begun to listen to near the 19:00 hours reason why they took shelter in its houses, the commerce closed and they did not leave until today in the morning. Until the moment the number of dead is not known that it left the confrontation that provoked outside the Municipal head.

Original text in above cite - Babelfish translation offered for confirmation.
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Must be in the translation because, HUH?
 
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Lone Wolf

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OFF TOPIC...but...

when you google for sheriff Joe, all I get is a mis-direction to hate joe sites.

Google is NOT Joe's friend.

lw
 
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Warthog

Tusk Up
All Minute Men get yourselves in good physical condition NOW, because a shooting war is coming to the streets of America. I'm almost sure of it.:dstrs::ld:
 
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Joann

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Seeker ...

I was reading from the comments from the site you gave, but I ran it thru google translate:

Saric is recorded shootout (about the tenth post down w/babyface avatar) the comments are interesting too, however, lose in translation.


Then went site that reported this, please note this appears to be a blog so this is still rumorsville, I'm getting gun shy after the rumors of cartels attaching MM in desert and the Laredo thingy last week. So FWIW this is what there talking about among themselves in the region of Saric.

indefinite number of dead leaves New slaughter in Saric
 
Seeker

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3 Bombs for Hawkins
Thanks for your followup, Joann. The carnage continues it would seem . . . just another way of doing business? Can't you just imagine an SBA loan application with the plan for success measured by how long one lives?
 
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medic38572

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BoatGuy said:
If a bomb were to go off in the US and kill 21 people, the fed would be all over it, looking for a way to expand their control over the people and promising to never let it happen again, in return for a reduction of rights.

But, if one state tries to stop the killing in the first place, they want to jump up and down, screaming "racial profiling".

They make me sick. I'll never be ashamed to call myself an American. But, I'm damned ashamed of some of the politicians that call themselves Americans.
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Amen
 
Seeker

Seeker

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From a blog, written on this side of the border, in English:

UPDATE: A good friend in Sasabe, Ariz., tells me the Americans closed the port of entry there early citing bad weather … That port is only open until 8 p.m., and they closed at about 7:30, she says, but the unexpected closure leaves about 20 people stranded in Sasabe tonight. It’s a town with a population of 25 people, it’s not like there’s a hotel for them to drive to and Tucson’s an hour away. I could be wrong but I’ve never heard of the Americans closing the port because of weather conditions; frankly, I wonder if it wasn’t because of the fight last night in Saric pero quien sabe.

Good morning. Lots going on today. We’ll start with Sonora. According to an FBI source earlier today:

First, the Sinaloa Federation finally moved in on El Gilo in the hills between Sáric and Tubutama last night, about 7 p.m. The Mexican military has seized ten armored vehicles. There are reports of 30 to 40 people dead, with Guzmán’s people having the upper hand. The Mexican Army is currently in the area. Apparently, there was an accident involving Mexican Army soldiers unrelated to the firefight, who were enroute to the Sáric/Tubutama area. Apparently several soldiers died in the accident.

Then “El Dos Mil” Francisco Hernández García, has started acting up again. There was a shootout between Sonora state police and Dos Mil in San Pedro, just east of Hermosillo. At least one cop is dead. Then there was another gunbattle yesterday at the Nogales, Sonora, airport between rival gangs. So far, two dead and another seriously injured.

So you have Dos Mil in central Sonora, the Sinaloans appear to have killed “El Gilo” Arnoldo del Cid Buelno, Hector Beltrán Leyva’s lieutenant in the hills just south of Arizona, and another fight at the airport. Gilo had some 300 men stocked in those towns. Two weeks ago, the Sinaloans tried to move on him but were defeated in an ambush that left some 20-30 gunmen dead.

Meanwhile, on the political front, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Alan Bersin appears to be carefully congratulating Mexico for killing Nacho Coronel Villarreal in a gunfight yesterday. Read what he has to say in that linked El Universal interview.

Ilegal, who first told me about la muerte de Nachito, found this bizarre story of a bounty on Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s head. Finally, I thought YeYo lent some interesting insight into the discussion today –

–Juarez Cartel promised to stop the car bombs if a big Sinaloa fish was brought to justice last I heard, so it could be the goverment actualy doing their job since Cevallos hasnt apeared yet and Nacho was relased supposedly..

–Nacho has been beefing with Zetas from Durango all the way Jalisco..8 heads in Durango where Zetas trying to establish themselfs and make a move to the south..Confirmed that yesterday threw a friend who actualy lives in DGO city and saw one of the heads while driving around..

–4 days ago members of Familia Michoacana where captured in Jalisco with a huge arsenal of weapons one of them being Valdemar Hernandez Barajas or (Servando Gomez Martinez..real name) the suposed son of La Tuta but later was found not to be..He was sent to advance into Jalisco but failed..

To sum it up you have to look at who would benifit from his downfall and that would NOT be the Sinaloans thats for sure..The only people that could benifit from this would be the Zetas, Familia Michoacana and the Mexican goverment..

Read more of this blog, in English, at:
http://borderreporter.com/2010/07/arde-sonora/
 
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The following two reports from Stratfor are free if you have them email to you, this is CR material so I will just post highlight and direction:

Mexico: Federal Police Rescue 2 Cameramen
July 31, 2010 2109 GMT
Mexican federal police rescued two kidnapped cameramen July 31, five days after they were...

http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/168341/sitrep/20100731_mexico_federal_police_resuce_2_cameramen

Mexico: The Death of a Cartel Leader
July 30, 2010 1636 GMT
A leading member of the Mexican drug trafficking organization the Sinaloa Federation has died in a government raid. [Ignacio “El Nacho” Coronel Villarreal]

http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/168294/analysis/20100730_mexico_death_cartel_leader


Also verified from another source the story (in fact that whole thread) can cross reference these reports from Mexican blogs: Police find eight severed heads in northern Mexico.

See post #14 here on another thread:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=366652

[Absolutely amazing that there are so many mass killings/beheadings/dismemberment that it's hard to keep them all straight and little reporting of it here in US, however, we do know all about Lohans BMs and Gibson's tantrums. And Gobbels double speak like OBAMA: TIME TO END CAREER 'WITH DIGNITY'...
 
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