GOV/MIL What are you prepared to do?

Ta-wo-di

Veteran Member
With this POC bill being shoved up our anus, and our beloved country going down the sewer, I guess I must ask what are you prepared to do? I believe I know what I will do, and I pray that I have the courage of my convictions to walk the walk. As I ponder the events this evening, I am led back to a poem I have posted on my office wall. I felt maybe folks on the board would be interested in reading and comtemplating the meaning and consequences of what the government is doing again.

A Visitor From The Past

I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand.
A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.
His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood there by my bed.
He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:

"We fought a revolution to secure our liberty.
We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny.
For generations, this legacy we gave,
In this, the land of the free and home of the brave."

"The Freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep,
But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep.
Your freedom gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave,
In this, the land of the free and home of the brave."

"You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent."

"Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate.
Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.
You read about the current news, in a regulated press.
You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S."

"Your money is no longer made of Silver or of Gold.
You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our Nation, turn from God in shame.
You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name."

"You've given government control to those who do you harm,
So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm.
And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail,
Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail."

"Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they've sworn.
Your daughters visit doctors, so their children won't be born.
Your leaders ship artillery, and guns to foreign shores,
And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars."

"Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?
Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride?
Are there no more values for which you'll fight to save?
Or do you wish your children, to live in fear and be a slave?"

"People of the Republic, arise and take a stand!
Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!
Preserve our Great Republic, and God-given Right!
And pray to God to keep the torch of Freedom burning bright!"

As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came.
His words were true, we are not Free, we have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants, trample each God-given Right,
we only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight.

If he stood by your bedside, in a dream, while you're asleep,
And wonders what remains of our Rights he fought to keep,
What would be your answer, if he called out from the grave:
"Is this still the land of the free and home of the brave?"

Author Unknown
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Nothing I'd dare post on a public forum at this point!

We already do very well in (legally!) starving the beast. Living close to the poverty line tends to do that.

But as far as what we'll do in future... it remains to be seen. Whatever it takes to shut down this illegal, unconstitutional bloated carcass of a false government...

Summerthyme
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
I've probably posted the answer to my own question in the last few days, but right now I can't think straight enough to remember. (between watching the HC stuff and talking to my Dad...who I find to be more communistic/fascist every day) I'm lucky...or not...to remember my name.

What are the penalties for dropping insurance you already have and refusing to take/have any insurance? I know there are fines/penalties, but I think I remember there being a much larger fine for deliberately dropping and refusing to have insurance. Somewhere it mentioned $250,000 fine and 5 years jail.

Was that in the bill or maybe I just imagined it?

Anyone know or remember?
 

Jamestown Girl

Veteran Member
I've probably posted the answer to my own question in the last few days, but right now I can't think straight enough to remember. (between watching the HC stuff and talking to my Dad...who I find to be more communistic/fascist every day) I'm lucky...or not...to remember my name.

What are the penalties for dropping insurance you already have and refusing to take/have any insurance? I know there are fines/penalties, but I think I remember there being a much larger fine for deliberately dropping and refusing to have insurance. Somewhere it mentioned $250,000 fine and 5 years jail.

Was that in the bill or maybe I just imagined it?

Anyone know or remember?

Heard $5, 000 and jail but DH heard 250,000. Who knows the bill is so long and full of double speak.
 

otterpop

Inactive
I was going to make this it's own thread, but I'll piggyback on this one instead, unless a mod wants this to have it's own thread.
(Mods?)

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Paths of resistance

There is a sense of finality that comes with this Zerocare law (should the shroud descend), that once it becomes in effect, that people will be forced to obtain something because they are alive. Seems the only people exempt are those who decree themselves to be above the law, those who are dead, and those who the government wants killed. Not Nobility and alive?=Subject.

People who choose to refuse the shackles of slavery will of course STILL be subject to the mandate, thus be dealt with as criminals (until they are classified in one of the latter two categories).

I figure many here have employer provided health insurance. For those (including me) the choice of opting out will require an acceptable alternative (another insurance plan, or being "self-insured). There is no true "opt-out" at all. This means that in order not to have health insurance, then the only choice is to quit.

Otherwise, there may be no immediate change for us, until that time comes to report the demanded information on our 1040 forms; something I will leave blank, as the government has NO business in whether or not I have employer-provided health plan. (They can hunt for it themselves, as part of their dragnet for any resistance.)

What else do we do?
Do we blindly continue with our lives as before, just because we are fortunate to have health insurance as part of a "compensation" package, and have no wish to forgo the paycheck?
As far as applying for unemployment funds, that is no good, cause I am quite sure those on unemployment (and getting their income directly from the beast itself, and still subject to their shackles)

Will taking a stand against Zerocare require a complete severing from the system?

It will be easier (although any rebellion is never easy) for those people who are self-employed, or have some other means of paying for living expenses, or who are already self-sufficient on their own.
But for the rest of us who have an ordinary income with private health insurance, what's to become of us?

So to speak all of us trapped behind enemy lines.

RO (otter pop)
 

homepark

Resist
I will not hold back my tongue and be quiet. This is my country. I've paid dearly for it.

I am willing to do civil disobedience. I am willing to try and trust the American people again in November. If we are still left with a communist government, I will read the Declaration of Independence again and follow the spirit of such.

Those who ignore their oath's to protect and defend the Constitution, will face impeachment. Failing that, I will reach for the ammo box.

I will not live in a communist country. Not on my watch.

To all LEO's and various Federal Alphabets: choose your sides carefully. Don't tread on me.

I have no interest in overthrowing the US Government as long as it is a Constitutional Republic. If it ceases to be such, those responsible will reap the bitter fruits of their treason.
 
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bare

Inactive
I'm prepared to send one of the kids out for more popcorn, for I greatly fear running out on this momentous day.

It's going to be a good thing National Health Care passes, because I have a feeling that more than one of you are going to stroke out tonight.

Sheesh, as a good prepper I thought I had a multi-year supply of popcorn, but your actions of the last few months have depleted it.
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
I'm prepared to help the first local in my area that gets charged with not complying with the unconstitutional mandated healthcare and if it's the IRS oh it going feel so good going after them in a local court of law thats willing to stand up to the justus department and tell them to wait until we're done and they may be next on the list.:ussm::wvflg:
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
I've probably posted the answer to my own question in the last few days, but right now I can't think straight enough to remember. (between watching the HC stuff and talking to my Dad...who I find to be more communistic/fascist every day) I'm lucky...or not...to remember my name.

What are the penalties for dropping insurance you already have and refusing to take/have any insurance? I know there are fines/penalties, but I think I remember there being a much larger fine for deliberately dropping and refusing to have insurance. Somewhere it mentioned $250,000 fine and 5 years jail.

Was that in the bill or maybe I just imagined it?

Anyone know or remember?

Along this same line, if you don't carry the insurance, and don't have call to use it, would this still be punishable?
 

Michelle

Inactive
REP JOHN BOEHNER...............

WHAT A SPEECH.............DID YOU ALL HEAR HIM?????????? WOW.........HE SAID IT ALL............"SHAME ON US"....."WE HAVE FAILED THE USA ".......THERE IS NO TURNING BACK NOW..........ALL I CAN SAY IS ...WOW.....I REALLY LIKED HIM........HE TOLD THEM ALL WHAT IS WHAT!!!!....NOW PELOSI THE RAT IS SPEAKING .......AND SHE MAKES ME PUKE.....I WILL BE SO GLAD WHEN SHE IS GONE...OUT OF THIS PICTURE FOREVER.......:sht::sht::sht::sht::sht:
 

bare

Inactive
Pelosi will never be out of the picture now. She'll go down in history as the most savvy and powerful Speaker of the House ever!
 

PilotFighter

Bomb & Bullet Technician
Two hundred thirty four years of liberty is something every American should reflect upon every day. This is America, this is my country and by damn nobody will take it from me, so help me God. Our founding fathers swore everything to help found this country and we should be willing to do the same to keep America free and strong. Are you willing to do the same to keep your rights? I cannot guarantee it will not be necessary for you to lay down your life? Are willing to give up your life for freedom? Are you willing to pay that price? Are you willing to pledge your life, your fortune, and your sacred honor? I most certainly am and will!
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Guess this is not the same country anymore that I have known in my life.
This makes me not want to stay and live in this Socialist Commie society
anymore. Yes Starve the Beast which I already do since I live pretty much in
proverty with a simple life and pretty much just up in the wilds for how much
of the year. Now I guess that time has come to just go back into the wilds
and really live and vanish. Guess also with Yes to Refuse to Comply and Civil
Disobediance. Guess if the authorities want me, they will have to find me
back in the wilds. Spring is coming soon! But I really do feel that God's
judgement is going to fall and fall hard on this country soon.
 

kozanne

Inactive
We have been discussing course of action all day with our extended family. More than that I should probably not say.

I would suggest to you all that you have your bugout plans in place and ready to execute.
 

PilotFighter

Bomb & Bullet Technician
We have been discussing course of action all day with our extended family. More than that I should probably not say.

I would suggest to you all that you have your bugout plans in place and ready to execute.

The hell with bugging out. Know which hill you're willing to die on. And remember, you are bullet proof until God decides otherwise.
 

kozanne

Inactive
The hell with bugging out. Know which hill you're willing to die on. And remember, you are bullet proof until God decides otherwise.

Not saying we're leaving the fight. Saying that we will set ourselves up so that we stay in the fight as long as we can.

It's amazing when you think about the ways you can resist. While none of us in my family are opposed to it, pointing a gun is not always the best way......

Know what I mean?
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This will not become a reality to the despots who now rule over us
until the first shot is fired.

I know it's coming.

Find commonality in people around you and make contingency plans.
That's what I am doing. That, and trying to get my wife to seriously
consider how dire the situation is.

Mike
 

kozanne

Inactive
This will not become a reality to the despots who now rule over us
until the first shot is fired.

I know it's coming.

Find commonality in people around you and make contingency plans.
That's what I am doing. That, and trying to get my wife to seriously
consider how dire the situation is.

Mike

+1000
 

Michelle

Inactive
YOUNG ADULTS DO NOT HAVE A CLUE

ONE OF MY SONS FEELS "IT WILL ALL BE OK"....HE THINKS IT WILL BE A GOOD THING. I HAVE PAID FOR EVERYTHING FOR MY CHILDREN ALL THEIR LIVES ....SO FAR.................NOW I JUST TOLD HIM..........YOU WILL NEED TO GET YOUR OWN INSURANCE..........AND WHEN AND IF YOU DO NOT...THEN YOU WILL PAY THE FINES......OR YOU WILL GO TO JAIL. I AM DONE.I THINK ,,,ONLY WHEN IT HITS HIM WHERE IT HURTS WILL HE STOP AND THINK AND KNOW...I AM SERIOUS....AND I AM RIGHT.......... SO BE IT.......
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Want a hint? Buy a copy of http://www.amazon.com/War-shadows-guerrilla-Robert-Asprey/dp/0385034709 and figure it out. And get a useful education in the process.

dd

Dear God, dd... that would be part of my contingency plans though I wish it were not. I do see that as the future.

As for my own son, I've shared everything with him. He's 13 and I've seen the writing on the wall for some time. My son is a student of history.

Before me, my father and his friends and family fought a guerrilla war in the Philippines during WWII.

Now, here we are with the enemy now ruling over us. They are in our lines.

I feel like screaming WOLVERINES!

Mike
 
What are the penalties for dropping insurance you already have and refusing to take/have any insurance? I know there are fines/penalties, but I think I remember there being a much larger fine for deliberately dropping and refusing to have insurance. Somewhere it mentioned $250,000 fine and 5 years jail.

Was that in the bill or maybe I just imagined it?

Anyone know or remember?
I read earlier today--in the article about myths and facts--that the penalty was 2% of your gross income.
 

mscoffee

Veteran Member
I read earlier today--in the article about myths and facts--that the penalty was 2% of your gross income.

That's if your near poverty level, it can go clear up to 9.5 or 9.8 (not for sure which) depending on your income.... which doesn't have to be much.

I think the $250,000 fine and 5 years jail was the normal threat from the IRS for willfully misstating any facts on your return.
 

momof23goats

Deceased
I read earlier today--in the article about myths and facts--that the penalty was 2% of your gross income.
pr 2500 $ per person, which ever is the greatest amount. Fox news was explaining it. it isn't 2500 or 2% of you income per house hold. but that would be bad enough. I don't have that kind of money.
 

mscoffee

Veteran Member
From the bill

ETA: I have totally messed up here and misstated the info,

skimming through the bill and amendments,

I mistook "premium percentage" for the fines and fees.

I am very sorry about this



Poverty numbers are still correct
List of the poverty threshold
Persons
in family -- Poverty guideline

1 - $10,830
2 - 14,570
3 - 18,310
4 - 22,050
5 - 25,790
6 - 29,530
7 - 33,270
8 - 37,010

THE 2009 HHS POVERTY GUIDELINES
http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09poverty.shtml
 
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Bad Hand

Veteran Member
Idaho has already passed a law to exempt us for this bill and the AG said the state will fight this all the way to the Supreme Court.

This could be the beginning of the second civil war if they try to enforce this POS bill.
 

jawasson

Inactive
I own my own small business. All of my transactions will be in cash I will use the health care because I have NO other options But I will pay the lowest amount possible Because on paper I will make nothing as in 0 That will also allow me to receive public Funds and food stamps. Starve them and suck the Tit dry . Our County is done so I will have the .Gov fund My preps for the War. Use This Bill against them That is what I am going to do
 

BoatGuy

Inactive
The Patriots will not be known for their posts on this forum. God willing, they will be remembered for the actions they took to retake and preserve this nation. I think I'll have another drink... for now.
 
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