SUN: what is this showing up on the sun? (March 7-8th)

Aardaerimus

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Ummm... Is this the only site showing the anomaly?

The patterns consist of concentric circles (waves) and splash outward, like throwing rocks in a pond. They seem to hit the bottom and rebound.

So the question is: Is it an anomaly on the reflective, metallic paneling on the observing satellite, or was the sun just assaulted by strange, super-powerful cosmic waves or chunks of dark matter, from space?
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm leaning toward Aardaerimus' suggestion that it's the satellite. Remember the sun is a sphere, if the ripples were on the sun they would seep to be moving the fastest near the edge where our view of them is oblique and slow noticeably near the center where we are looking straight down on them.

Also, at about the 23 mi. point, the sun is refracted above the surface in the ripples. Clearly that's not a CME because the sun-color does not leave the surface, it just appears above it for a moment.

FJ
 

knickgnat

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It's odd that both the sun photo and the mag photo show an abberation - would a satellite show both? There are such things as solar earthquakes but I've never heard of one this big.

Check this out huge flare on the 5th: (see any similarity?)

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/pickoftheweek/

Quicktime Movie: Large (4.7M), Small (469K)
MPEG Movie (1.9M)

STEREO (Ahead) watched as a strong coronal mass ejection (CME) and an eruptive prominence rose up and stretched way out above the Sun's surface (Feb. 28, 2010). The composite image and movie show the action in both extreme UV wavelength (orange Sun) near and just above the solar surface overlaid on the frames from STEREO COR1 coronagraph that shows the material as it rises out into the corona. The video clip shows about 8 hours of activity. This is one of the brightest and most substantial CMEs we have seen in several years. And the presence of such bright prominence material in COR1 is very rare and has only been seen twice before.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Ummm... Is this the only site showing the anomaly?

The patterns consist of concentric circles (waves) and splash outward, like throwing rocks in a pond. They seem to hit the bottom and rebound.

So the question is: Is it an anomaly on the reflective, metallic paneling on the observing satellite, or was the sun just assaulted by strange, super-powerful cosmic waves or chunks of dark matter, from space?

Good questions and I'm hoping someone will be able to answer them. I can see how it could be a 'lens flare' type issue (the paneling on the satellite) but it doesn't look like that to me. I am going to post stills I screen grabbed in the next post so that we can look at them individually and decide. Also, it's parabolic antennas they are using - not sure if there is a satellite involved too, but I don't think so (?).

very strange looking. can't tell by the time marks on those movies what time they are going by, but on this pic of the magnetosphere from around the same approx time does seem to show something effecting it as well.
http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/images/test_6.20100308000105.jpg

Thanks for the link.

I'm leaning toward Aardaerimus' suggestion that it's the satellite. Remember the sun is a sphere, if the ripples were on the sun they would seep to be moving the fastest near the edge where our view of them is oblique and slow noticeably near the center where we are looking straight down on them.

Also, at about the 23 mi. point, the sun is refracted above the surface in the ripples. Clearly that's not a CME because the sun-color does not leave the surface, it just appears above it for a moment.

FJ

It's not a CME. I've been looking at their pages (will post a link below for others to check out too) and a CME shows up differently. Looks like this is something new and if it's not the antennas own version of 'lens flare' - it's ????

how many satellites are looking at the sun? Are they all seeing this or is it just the one satellite?

K-

Going to post a link below to the array of the 84 parabolic antennas they use to get this picture.

It's odd that both the sun photo and the mag photo show an abberation - would a satellite show both? There are such things as solar earthquakes but I've never heard of one this big.

Check this out huge flare on the 5th: (see any similarity?)

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/pickoftheweek/

Quicktime Movie: Large (4.7M), Small (469K)
MPEG Movie (1.9M)

STEREO (Ahead) watched as a strong coronal mass ejection (CME) and an eruptive prominence rose up and stretched way out above the Sun's surface (Feb. 28, 2010). The composite image and movie show the action in both extreme UV wavelength (orange Sun) near and just above the solar surface overlaid on the frames from STEREO COR1 coronagraph that shows the material as it rises out into the corona. The video clip shows about 8 hours of activity. This is one of the brightest and most substantial CMEs we have seen in several years. And the presence of such bright prominence material in COR1 is very rare and has only been seen twice before.

Thanks for that link too. I never heard of a solar earthquake, can you tell us more about them? Whatever it is, it happened again in the most recent picture (see post below).

I wanted to get my responses on one post:). New info will follow on the next posts.

HD
 
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Heliobas Disciple

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I screengrabbed the most telling of the weirdness on the movie from the 8th. Here are the screengrabs. The pictures are clearer on the movie (lose some clarity in the screengrab) but for those who can't get the movie, this will help you follow the discussion.
 

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Heliobas Disciple

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Nobeyama Radioheliograph (NoRH) is a radio telescope dedicated to observe the Sun. "Helio" means the Sun, "graph" means an imaging telescope. It consists of 84 parabolic antennas with 80 cm diameter, sitting on lines of 490 m long in the east/west and of 220 m long in the north/south. Its construction took 2 years and cost 1.8 billion yen. The first observation was in April, 1992 and the daily 8-hours observation has been done since June, 1992.

Frequency 17GHz (Right and left circular polarization), 34GHz (only intensity)
Field of view Solar full disk
Spatial resolution 10 arcsec (17GHz), 5 arcsec (34GHz)
Temporal resolution 0.1 sec (Event), 1 sec (Steady)


As the NoRH is a radio interferometer, original data are sets of correlation values of all the combination of antennas. They correspond to the spatial Fourier components of the brightness distribution of the solar disk. In most cases, it is necessary to synthesize images from the original raw data.

To maximize the data use, we prepare images, indices and other related materials routinely and put them on our Web page. This Web page is to help the scientists in the world to look for interesting phenomena detected by the NoRH and to start the actual analysis using the original data set. Software for image synthesis and analyses are prepared. Image synthesis and analyses can be done remotely through the Internet. This data and images can also be used for science education. We are glad if our images are of any help in education at schools, universities, and public.

from: http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/html/introduction.html
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MAIN PAGES:

http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/

http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Here are some links to the past movies they've collected. I've only looked at a few but didn't see this previously on those I did check out. Too many to check them all right now.

All the 10 minute movies are linked here:

http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/html/10min/

Movies for the month made out of daily images and the Daily images are linked here:

http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/html/daily/

The movie made out of daily images for March is here:

http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/html/daily/2010/03/movie.html

(You can see January and February following the link above this one. Those are the ones I compared this too and found nothing similar.)


Monthly images for the 1990's can be found here:

http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/html/monthly/

HD
 

Heliobas Disciple

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I'm not sure if this is related but spaceweather is now reporting another filament on the sun. Could this be what the antennas are picking up :shr: ? It looks like the image from today - same sort of wave action. Maybe the other filament is what was picked up on the 8th and was on the other upper corner of the sun in the movie.

http://www.spaceweather.com/
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SOLAR FILAMENTS: Today, astronomers around the world are monitoring a pair of dark magnetic filaments on the sun.

The largest filament, which is curling over the sun's northeastern limb, stretches at least 50,000 km from end to end. SOHO has been monitoring the plasma-filled behemoth for more than three days: movie.

filament.gif


How long can this filament hold itself up? If it collapses and hits the stellar surface, the impact could produce a powerful hyder flare (see: http://www.ips.gov.au/Educational/2/4/1 ). Readers with solar telescopes are encouraged to monitor developments.
 

Rex Jackson

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Ive seen this 4-5 days ago. At first I though it was an optics error. I still do actually, but seeing the Hyder flares are taking the shape of the ripples, now I'm not sure. The question I had was, "if it is an optics issue, what is messing up the optics?"...

If it isn't an optics issue, what is messing up the Sun? I looks like something is hitting it on the back side, sending ripples around to the front?? If it is, why isn't it effecting any of Earth meters? at SOHO, JPL, speaceweather, etc?
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
btw - Ive been trying to see if this anomaly on the Sun corresponded with the hits on the magnetosphere. I haven't been able to see that. I also haven't been able to see anything on any of the spaceweather type sun monitor websites.

This doesn't mean anything given distance, copositions and given the fact that nothing is normal anymore. Just anted to mention it.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Ive seen this 4-5 days ago. At first I though it was an optics error. I still do actually, but seeing the Hyder flares are taking the shape of the ripples, now I'm not sure. The question I had was, "if it is an optics issue, what is messing up the optics?"...

Look at the latest gif from space weather of the filament which is larger than the one I posted last night - it actually DOES look like the wave from today's 10 min movie posted above. Except that this .gif is cumulative for 4 days - the movie is for 10 hours. :shr:

While I'm open to the 'lens flare' equivalent explanation, I don't think that's what it is. And would you get an optics error from 84 antenna?

filament_anim.gif


If it isn't an optics issue, what is messing up the Sun? I looks like something is hitting it on the back side, sending ripples around to the front?? If it is, why isn't it effecting any of Earth meters? at SOHO, JPL, speaceweather, etc?

More good questions. I was hoping you'd know the answers to them! Whatever it is - looks to be new and the fact that it's not being discussed on spacweather makes me wonder if NASA itself knows yet what it is. Interesting that it's not effecting the Earth meters. YET. Could be the effect is not in something currently being metered. :shr: (gamma ray, gravitational, etc)


btw - Ive been trying to see if this anomaly on the Sun corresponded with the hits on the magnetosphere. I haven't been able to see that. I also haven't been able to see anything on any of the spaceweather type sun monitor websites.

This doesn't mean anything given distance, copositions and given the fact that nothing is normal anymore. Just wanted to mention it.

Agree. If you do find anything or have any other insights, please let us know.


Meanwhile, here's today's spaceweather blurb on the filament - today they are only mentioning the one. Maybe the other one was indeed on the top right corner (to our viewing, I think the image is actually a flip image) - and is now around the back? :shr: (I also posted this to your new thread on MAIN on the filament so those who are following only on MAIN can have the updates).

http://www.spaceweather.com/
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DARK FILAMENT: For the 4th day in a row, the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) is tracking a dark magnetic filament curling over the sun's northeastern limb. Click on the image to launch a movie recorded by the observatory's extreme ultraviolet telescope:

http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2010/09mar10/filament_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=j4l6pu4n4vj87qq43fa0114l71
(this is the gif I just posted above on this post)

The massive, plasma-filled filament has been remarkably stable since SOHO first spotted it on March 5th. However, filaments like this have been known to collapse. If this one does and hits the stellar surface, the impact could produce a powerful Hyder flare. Readers with solar telescopes are encouraged to monitor developments.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
I don't mean to hijack HD's thead in any way, but I have to say this. Dennis or someone can remove if they want to.

I don't know what's causing it, but if it continues/grows is this how we will be seeing Joel, Micah, Acts and Rev? I had always wondered how the sun turning into darkness/black as sackloth would play out.
 

knickgnat

Veteran Member
Sun Spikes: Solar Quakes Fuel Hot Tendrils

Sun Spikes: Solar Quakes Fuel Hot Tendrils
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 28 July 2004
01:15 pm ET

Pic on Site: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/star_quakes_40728.html

Like hair energized by static electricity, thousands upon thousands of glowing tendrils reach out from the Sun. Since these "spicules" of hot gas were discovered in 1877, scientists have been scratching their heads over what causes them.

New observations by three observatories coupled with powerful computer modeling appear to have solved the mystery.

The spikes of superheated gas, called plasma, are small compared to many of the Sun's prominent features, such as giant loops of magnetic energy that are flung many thousands of miles into the solar atmosphere. The spicules are typically 300 miles (480 km) in diameter and shoot a relatively modest 3,000 miles (4,830 km) above the Sun's surface. They scream upward at 50,000 mph (22 kps) and then vanish within five minutes, making them hard to study.

More than 100,000 spicules tickle the solar atmosphere, called the corona, at any time.

Coincident cycles

The key to their origin is in the regular cycle with which spicules regenerate. Every five minutes or so, one leaps forth from the same spot, according to the new study. It so happens that the Sun has a well-known inner ring, much like that of a bell, that works on the same cycle.

"We developed a computer model of the Sun's atmosphere to show that the periodicity of the spicules is caused by sound waves at the solar surface that have the same five-minute period," said Robertus Erdelyi von Fáy-Siebenbürgen, a professor of applied mathematics at the University of Sheffield, UK.

The ringing of the Sun involves seismic waves similar to those in an earthquake. They are usually damped down before they can leave the roiling surface and so continue bouncing around inside the Sun.

"They're basically sound waves that are trapped," said Bart De Pontieu, a solar physicist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Lab. "For the most part they can't escape to the outside."

But the study found that some of the sound waves leak out, developing shock waves that propel matter upward to generate spicules and push them into the corona, De Pontieu explained in a telephone interview.

Feeding the solar wind?

The research team now wonders if spicules might contribute to the solar wind, a constant stream of charge particles emanating from the Sun and coursing through the solar system.

Scientists don't know exactly how the mass of the solar wind gets into the corona nor what accelerates the particles into space. The spicules are a good candidate, as they carry into the atmosphere more than 100 times the mass needed to feed the solar wind, the new study concludes.

"Most of the mass of the spicules comes back down," De Pontieu said. But only a fraction would have to remain high up to account for the solar wind. However, he said, it's not clear how much if any of the mass from the spicules remains in the corona, or if it is heated to the extent that appears to be required to create the super energetic particles of the solar wind.

Oddly, the corona is 1.8 million degrees Fahrenheit (1 million Celsius), while the Sun's surface is typically no more than 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit (6,000 Celsius). The reason remains one of the great mysteries of the Sun.

Group activity

Previous studies had found hints of the 5-minute cycle of spicules. But scientists had only studied them on the limb of the Sun, the periphery of the hot disk as seen from our vantagepoint. The new observations allowed the researchers to examine spicules across the face of the Sun.

The investigation showed that spicules occur in groups.

Spicules are usually associated with concentrated magnetic tubes called flux tubes, giant loops that link one region of magnetic polarity to another by arcing out from the surface and back to another spot thousands of miles away. The tubes are mostly vertical, but some are inclined away from the vertical, and that's where the sound waves tend to leak out, De Pontieu said.

The findings are detailed in the July 29 issue of the journal Nature. The work was based on observations by the Swedish Solar Telescope on the Spanish island of La Palma, as well as the orbiting SOHO and TRACE observatories.

* Sun Cams
* Anatomy of the Sun
* Quicktime Movie of Spicules Racing Outward (May Load Slowly)
 

knickgnat

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Solar Flare Leaves Sun Quaking

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/sohopr3.htm

Scientists have shown for the first time that solar flares produce seismic waves in the Sun's interior that closely resemble those created by earthquakes on our planet. The researchers observed a flare-generated solar quake that contained about 40,000 times the energy released in the great earthquake that devastated San Francisco in 1906. The amount of energy released was enough to power the United States for 20 years at its current level of consumption, and was equivalent to an 11.3 magnitude earthquake, scientists calculated.

Dr. Alexander G. Kosovichev, a senior research scientist from Stanford University, and Dr. Valentina V. Zharkova from Glasgow (United Kingdom) University found the tell-tale seismic signature in data on the Sun's surface collected by the Michelson Doppler Imager onboard the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft immediately following a moderate-sized flare on July 9, 1996.

"Although the flare was a moderate one, it still released an immense amount of energy," said Dr. Craig Deforest, a researcher with the SOHO project. "The energy released is equal to completely covering the Earth's continents with a yard of dynamite and detonating it all at once."

SOHO is a joint project of the European Space Agency and NASA. The finding is reported in the May 28 issue of the journal Nature, and will be the subject of a press conference at the spring meeting of the American Geophysical Union in Boston, Mass., May 27 at 9 a.m. EDT.

The solar quake that the science team recorded looks much like ripples spreading from a rock dropped into a pool of water. But over the course of an hour, the solar waves traveled for a distance equal to 10 Earth diameters before fading into the fiery background of the Sun's photosphere. Unlike water ripples that travel outward at a constant velocity, the solar waves accelerated from an initial speed of 22,000 miles per hour to a maximum of 250,000 miles per hour before disappearing.

"People have looked for evidence of seismic waves from flares before, but they didn't have a theory so they didn't know where to look," says Kosovichev.

Several years ago Kosovichev and Zharkova developed a theory that can explain how a flare, which explodes in space above the Sun's surface, can generate a major seismic wave in the Sun's interior. According to the currently accepted model of solar flares, the primary explosion creates high-energy electrons (electrically charged subatomic particles). These are funneled down into a magnetic flux tube, an invisible tube of magnetic energy, and produce X-rays, microwaves and a shock wave that heats the solar surface. Kosovichev and Zharkova developed a theory that predicts the nature and magnitude of the shock waves that this beam of energetic electrons should create when they slam down into the solar atmosphere.

Although their theory directed them to the right area to search for the seismic waves, the waves that they found were 10 times stronger than they had predicted. "They were so strong that you can see them in the raw data," Kosovichev says.

The solar seismic waves appear to be compression waves like the "P" waves generated by an earthquake. They travel throughout the Sun's interior. In fact, the waves should recombine on the opposite side of the Sun from the location of the flare to create a faint duplicate of the original ripple pattern, Kosovichev predicts.

Now that they know how to find them, the SOHO scientists say that the seismic waves generated by solar flares should allow them to verify independently some of the conditions in the solar interior that they have inferred from studying the pattern of waves that are continually ruffling the Sun's surface.

SOHO is part of the International Solar-Terrestrial Physics (ISTP) program, a global effort to observe and understand our star and its effects on our environment. The ISTP mission includes more than 20 satellites, coupled with with ground-based observatories and modeling centers, that allow scientists to study the Sun, the Earth, and the space between them in unprecedented detail. ISTP is a joint program of NASA, ESA, Japan's Institute for Astronautical Science, and Russia's Space Research Institute.

Sun Quake Images and Animations

Seismic Wave Movie (would have posted but don't know how to post video)

This is a movie of the July 9, 1996 solar quake. The images were made using the Michelson Doppler Imager onboard the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft, a joint European Space Agency/NASA project. The white, feathery object in the center is the solar flare that caused the quake. A solar flare is an explosion in the atmosphere of the Sun, caused by the tearing and reconnection of strong magnetic fields. Although moderate in size, this flare released an enormous amount of energy. The energy released is equal to completely covering the Earth's continents with a yard of dynamite and detonating it all at once. Some of this energy was transferred to the solar surface by high speed electrons traveling within magnetic flux tubes, invisible tubes of magnetic energy. They produced X-rays, microwaves and shock waves that heated the solar surface. These shock waves are the solar quake, and can be seen as concentric rings spreading outward from beneath the flare, much like ripples spreading from a rock dropped into a pool of water. The flare-generated solar quake contained about 40,000 times the energy released in the great earthquake that devastated San Francisco in 1906. The amount of energy released was enough to power the United States for 20 years at its current level of consumption. (Courtesy Dr. Alexander Kosovichev/Stanford University, the European Space Agency, and NASA - Animation produce by Calvin J. Hamilton)



Sun Quake Images
These are a sequence of images taken from the movie of the July 9, 1996 solar quake. The solar flare that initiates the shock wave is shown in the first picture. Concentric rings spread out and get larger and large in the following pictures.
 
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Perpetuity

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Very interesting, Knickgnat.

I noticed that during February 28th there were a couple of CME's that happened on the far side of the sun, and I wonder if it wasn't the filaments that produced them now and we just couldn't see them. They seemed to originate from the northern hemisphere of the sun at the time. I'll see if I can dig up a link to them.
 

knickgnat

Veteran Member
As referenced in one of the articles: But the study found that some of the sound waves leak out, developing shock waves that propel matter upward to generate spicules and push them into the corona, De Pontieu explained in a telephone interview

So if there is a sun quake generated by a huge flare, resulting in a sun quake, this could account for the tendril (s) that are appearing????
 

Heliobas Disciple

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(snip)

Several years ago Kosovichev and Zharkova developed a theory that can explain how a flare, which explodes in space above the Sun's surface, can generate a major seismic wave in the Sun's interior. According to the currently accepted model of solar flares, the primary explosion creates high-energy electrons (electrically charged subatomic particles). These are funneled down into a magnetic flux tube, an invisible tube of magnetic energy, and produce X-rays, microwaves and a shock wave that heats the solar surface. Kosovichev and Zharkova developed a theory that predicts the nature and magnitude of the shock waves that this beam of energetic electrons should create when they slam down into the solar atmosphere.

Although their theory directed them to the right area to search for the seismic waves, the waves that they found were 10 times stronger than they had predicted. "They were so strong that you can see them in the raw data," Kosovichev says.

The solar seismic waves appear to be compression waves like the "P" waves generated by an earthquake. They travel throughout the Sun's interior. In fact, the waves should recombine on the opposite side of the Sun from the location of the flare to create a faint duplicate of the original ripple pattern, Kosovichev predicts.

Now that they know how to find them, the SOHO scientists say that the seismic waves generated by solar flares should allow them to verify independently some of the conditions in the solar interior that they have inferred from studying the pattern of waves that are continually ruffling the Sun's surface.

(snip)

Seismic Wave Movie (would have posted but don't know how to post video)

Thanks knickgnat for both articles. They may be explaining a process whereby the waves we've seen were formed, even though these waves aren't associated with a solar flare and aren't concentric like the ones associated with a flare are.

Here's a direct link to the movie:

http://www.solarviews.com/cap/sun/vquake.htm


Sun Quake Images
These are a sequence of images taken from the movie of the July 9, 1996 solar quake. The solar flare that initiates the shock wave is shown in the first picture. Concentric rings spread out and get larger and large in the following pictures.

I will post the pictures at the end of this post.


As referenced in one of the articles: But the study found that some of the sound waves leak out, developing shock waves that propel matter upward to generate spicules and push them into the corona, De Pontieu explained in a telephone interview

And then they said this:

The research team now wonders if spicules might contribute to the solar wind, a constant stream of charge particles emanating from the Sun and coursing through the solar system.

Scientists don't know exactly how the mass of the solar wind gets into the corona nor what accelerates the particles into space. The spicules are a good candidate, as they carry into the atmosphere more than 100 times the mass needed to feed the solar wind, the new study concludes.

If what we are seeing is the same process, we should be checking to see if the solar wind picks up in the next 24-48 hours as a result of what we just saw on the movies.

So if there is a sun quake generated by a huge flare, resulting in a sun quake, this could account for the tendril (s) that are appearing????

Except these waves aren't associated with a flare. Could be they're associated with filaments though. Or something occuring on the back side of the sun. Speaking of which, wait til you see what's going on behind the sun! Will post that next.

HD


From: http://www.solarviews.com/eng/sohopr3.htm
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Heliobas Disciple

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I noticed that during February 28th there were a couple of CME's that happened on the far side of the sun, and I wonder if it wasn't the filaments that produced them now and we just couldn't see them. They seemed to originate from the northern hemisphere of the sun at the time. I'll see if I can dig up a link to them.

Something is happening back there. Don't know if it's more filaments (as they are occuring at the same time the filaments are on the earth facing side). Check out this video - the left image is the far side of the sun.

http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/ster...scc_euvi_beacon_movie_pair_last50_diff_j.html

Here's a screengrab of the active part.
 

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Heliobas Disciple

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I'll post screengrabs of the images in that movie - there are timelapses, that's the way the movie is.

Also, check out the 4:00 position on the picture on the right. By the time you get to the last one, it looks like something is actually spinning like a top.

HD
 

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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I'll post screengrabs of the images in that movie - there are timelapses, that's the way the movie is.

Also, check out the 4:00 position on the picture on the right. By the time you get to the last one, it looks like something is actually spinning like a top.

HD

Thank you for that it definately looks like some sort of vortex is about to pop out of the suns surface there!

K-
 

knickgnat

Veteran Member
The way I understood the two articles: flare causes eq, if big enough creates filaments. Doesn't that seem to be the progression, the hyder flare....also if/when the filment falls back onto the sun, arn't there going to be problems?
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
The way I understood the two articles: flare causes eq, if big enough creates filaments. Doesn't that seem to be the progression, the hyder flare....also if/when the filment falls back onto the sun, arn't there going to be problems?

It's my understanding that any earth facing CME WILL produce an earthquake here on earth if it's strong enough since there are different classes/strenghts of CME's. The last two CME's produced aurora's down to the equator, these lights were seen minutes before the Chilean quake.

You decide.

K-
 

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
After reviewing the OP, again, I'm am completely convinced that it's an optics issue.

As I was watching it over and over, and checking the stills, I noticed that every ring on the top was perfectly mirrored on the bottom, just color-reversed.

It's hard to tell whether it's the atmospheric balancing mechanism, or if some other anomaly caused the ripple effect on the display.

One thing is for certain, a rippling event of this magnitude actually occurring on the surface of the sun would have have set off alerts all over the place. It's just unfathomable and unheard of, and we likely would have seen somewhat of a light show, ourselves.

The real mystery here is what caused the optics to ripple. Could it be related to the magnetics of the filament? A CME? Tough to say.

The sun definitely bears watching, right now.
 

knickgnat

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http://www.spaceweather.com/ (not much detail here)

Posted Today:

A solar wind stream is buffeting Earth's magnetic field and causing geomagnetic activity around the Arctic Circle. High-latitude sky watchers should be alert for auroras.
 

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After reviewing the OP, again, I'm am completely convinced that it's an optics issue.

As I was watching it over and over, and checking the stills, I noticed that every ring on the top was perfectly mirrored on the bottom, just color-reversed.

It's hard to tell whether it's the atmospheric balancing mechanism, or if some other anomaly caused the ripple effect on the display.

One thing is for certain, a rippling event of this magnitude actually occurring on the surface of the sun would have have set off alerts all over the place. It's just unfathomable and unheard of, and we likely would have seen somewhat of a light show, ourselves.

The real mystery here is what caused the optics to ripple. Could it be related to the magnetics of the filament? A CME? Tough to say.

The sun definitely bears watching, right now.


Thanks for the explanation and for sharing your conclusion.

I think I agree, especially after reviewing the movie from yesterday. The first 9 frames have all kinds of artificats on them. The 10th frame forward are all pretty much the same -very quiet. Another thing that has me agreeing is that the sun is so huge that an effect like that would cover many earth size planets. I can't imagine anything covering the Earth like that, so to cover the sun in that fashion is pretty much unfathomable. For example see this article on solar tsunamis - the large tsunami takes up just a tiny portion of the visible side of the sun - not the whole sphere by any means. http://www.physorg.com/news178395416.html

However - the skeptic in me is still keeping an open mind. Let's say I'm 90% going with artifact, 10% still wondering if there isn't something extraordinary going on that is not being discussed openly.

here are the stills from the movie on the 10th that show artifact. The movie from the 11th is completely clean. And btw, so is the rear side of the sun in today's movie. Whatever was going on the other day has also stopped.

From:
http://solar.nro.nao.ac.jp/norh/html/10min/2010/03/10/movie.html
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Heliobas Disciple

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Article out of Germany on the new solar cycle. From the 10th of March.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5323618,00.html
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Sun begins new solar cycle, flinging radiation at the Earth
Stuart Tiffen
10.03.2010


As a new solar cycle of activity begins this year, the Earth will once again be bombarded with increased radiation from the sun. This effect may damage satellites and interfere with GPS, television and communications.

In ancient history, men would sometimes look up into the extreme northern or southern skies and see flickering green or blue lights shimmering across heavens. These auroras were often attributed to the gods, for what else could explain such displays?

Today we have a more scientific explanation for the polar lights, known as aurora borealis in the Northern Hemisphere and aurora australis in the Southern: the effect is caused by charged particles from the sun colliding with the Earth's magnetic field.

This phenomenon is just one side effect of what is called space weather. The fact is that the Earth is constantly pelted with radiation from the sun, which can play havoc with a society that is increasingly dependent on its high-tech toys.

But for hikers, drivers, pilots and ship's captains, perhaps the biggest concern is that interference from the solar radiation could mislead or disable their global positioning system (GPS) signal.

Cyclic mechanisms

The aurora borealis is easier to behold in certain years based on a cycle of solar activity, which scientists like Dr. Dirk Soltau at the Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics in Freiburg, Germany, are still attempting to understand fully even after 400 years of study.

“In 1610, Galileo Galilei first noticed ugly spots on the face of the sun,” Soltau told Deutsche Welle. “And he was bothered by this because for him the sun was pure fire and he was surprised to see these, what we call sun spots today.”

Eventually, a pattern became clear in the activity of these spots on the face of the sun. Over an 11-year cycle, sunspots become more prevalent and then less and less so. The last period of heightened solar activity was between 2000 and 2002. Within the past few months, sunspots have once again been seen on the face of the sun, Soltau said, which indicate the beginning of the 24th recorded solar cycle, meaning solar activity will increase over the next five years.

That activity means that by 2015, more charged particles from the sun will be interacting with the ionosphere in the Earth's upper atmosphere. This can lead to the ionosphere thickening and interfering with orbiting satellites, Soltau said.

Space weather

The seriousness of the effects of space weather led NASA to launch the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) into orbit in February to conduct a detailed study of the sun and its dynamic behavior.

"Space weather can disable satellites, cause power grid failures and disrupt global positioning, television and telecommunication signals," a NASA statement on SDO said.

GPS navigation systems have gained increased popularity over the past few years to the extent that the devices are ubiquitous in vehicles on the autobahn across Germany. But the receivers are not without their own pitfalls, according to Dr. Mohinder Grewal of the California State University at Fullerton.

Flawed systems

As a complex operation, there are multiple errors that navigation systems such as the US-based GPS, the Russian Global Navigation Satellite System (GLONASS) or Europe's planned Galileo system could suffer from, Grewal said.

A location error can occur when the satellite's position in the sky is not accurately locked down by the receiver. The system also relies on extremely precise timing, and so clock errors can create error distances of a few meters. Add to these the distortion caused by humidity in the troposphere and multi-path errors caused by reflective surfaces and the cumulative signal error can be up to 50 meters

When solar radiation causes a flux of ionized particles in the ionosphere, the radio signals used to send data to the receivers on the Earth can be delayed causing more errors on the ground.

Satellite hardware as well as the data is at risk from solar radiation warned Alex Freundlich, professor of physics at the University of Houston.

"Unusually high fluxes of ionizing particles that are associated with high sun activities could be detrimental to the satellite power system and may result in the performance degradation of their solar cells," Freundlich said.

In fact, any orbiting equipment that is unshielded could be degraded by increased solar activity, he added.

Problem solving

But various global agencies have been working hard to counteract the effects of solar radiation and other errors in satellite navigation systems. The European Space Agency (ESA) recently launched the European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service (EGNOS), which improves the accuracy of satellite navigation signals over Europe.

Using EGNOS, signal accuracy can be improved down to 1.5 meters, according to ESA.

EGNOS consists of three geostationary satellites over the eastern Atlantic Ocean and Europe. The system augments signals from the GPS system and GLONASS, automatically correcting for the multiple potential errors in the signal.

The great unknown

But as scientists toil to tame nature and make the universe a more predictable place, the solar system does not always comply.

For decades the regular solar cycle simply ceased, according to Soltau at the Kiepenheuer Institute.

"Between about 1650 and 1715, apparently there was very low solar activity, so this cyclic mechanism stopped, and they called this the Maunder Minimum," Soltau said.

Over the past two years the levels of solar activity were so low that there was some conjecture that a new Maunder Minimum period had begun. Only recently, Soltau said, had sunspots been seen leading the scientific community to believe that the solar activity cycle continues.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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http://www.spaceweather.com/ (not much detail here)

Posted Today:

A solar wind stream is buffeting Earth's magnetic field and causing geomagnetic activity around the Arctic Circle. High-latitude sky watchers should be alert for auroras.

Thank you. hmm. Interesting in light of the articles you posted.

I also found this:

The geomagnetic field was quiet to unsettled on March 10. Solar wind speed ranged between 319 and 456 km/s, most of the day under the influence of a moderately high speed stream from CH395.
(from: http://www.solen.info/solar/)

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I posted this on the thread on the filaments on MAIN, but will also post it here.





It looks like from these photos that one of the two filaments did indeed collapse. Can't tell from the photos if it snapped or if it just got sucked back in peacefully but there was an interesting xray spike on the 11th. I'm not sure of the timing re: the new Chilean EQ. Maybe someone can figure it out from the timestamps on the images.

Go here to watch a movie of the filament moving across the sun as it rotates.

http://www.spacew.com/sunnow/allday.mpg

I'll post three screengrabs from the movie - the first frame and the last two. You can see that one of the filaments appears to be gone (the one in the center).

I will then post this sun image:
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthre...ideo0004 11-36-01 b colour contrast small.jpg

You can see that there is no evidence of the filament that was more towards the center of the sun anymore. :shr:

Finally I'll post the xray graphic of the sun and you can see the spike there.
http://www.n3kl.org/sun/images/noaa_xrays.gif

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packyderms_wife

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I posted this on the thread on the filaments on MAIN, but will also post it here.





It looks like from these photos that one of the two filaments did indeed collapse. Can't tell from the photos if it snapped or if it just got sucked back in peacefully but there was an interesting xray spike on the 11th. I'm not sure of the timing re: the new Chilean EQ. Maybe someone can figure it out from the timestamps on the images.

Go here to watch a movie of the filament moving across the sun as it rotates.

http://www.spacew.com/sunnow/allday.mpg

I'll post three screengrabs from the movie - the first frame and the last two. You can see that one of the filaments appears to be gone (the one in the center).

I will then post this sun image:
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthre...ideo0004 11-36-01 b colour contrast small.jpg

You can see that there is no evidence of the filament that was more towards the center of the sun anymore. :shr:

Finally I'll post the xray graphic of the sun and you can see the spike there.
http://www.n3kl.org/sun/images/noaa_xrays.gif

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peacefully absorbed back into the sun works for me. What do you make of the previous post with the two smaller mag filaments to the left? Could they possibly be remnants of the previous two filaments or are these new altogether???

K-
 

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peacefully absorbed back into the sun works for me. What do you make of the previous post with the two smaller mag filaments to the left? Could they possibly be remnants of the previous two filaments or are these new altogether???

Which ones? I see the two filaments (now one) to the right, but I don't see any to the left. Can you repost the picture you mean?


Looking back at the xray graphic, it looks like that spike could be some sort of recording re-charge - it happens at the same time on all 3 days :shr:.

One last thing - the kp value is slightly elevated now. Probably the energy from the CME they said would get here on the 13th.

HD
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Looking back at the xray graphic, it looks like that spike could be some sort of recording re-charge - it happens at the same time on all 3 days :shr:.

Thinking some more on this.

If this anomaly has shown up consistently for months than I'd say it's some sort of instrument calibration that happens the same time each day.

But if it's something relatively new - that could mean it's not an anomaly at all, and could be measuring some regularly timed xray emitting pulse out there. What that pulse is and where it's coming from would be the next questions.

Something else to start monitoring.

HD
 
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