CRIME Soldier waterboards his 4 year old daughter.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat..._daughter_4_because_she_couldnt_recite_a.html​

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Go ahead and teach people that torture is a good idea and then try to control when and where it happens, and good luck with that. The guy would have most likely abused the child regardless of what he learned in the military, but the normalization of torture (and yes, waterboarding is torture) is going to continue to spread.

Here's the most sickening part:

" admitted to police he used the torture technique because his daughter was terrified of water"

She will likely never recover from that horror or from the trust her daddy destroyed.

Come on !!!!

Where are all the people who have cheered torture on the forum for the last decade ?

You should be proud our soldiers learned this, and have no qualms of using it, even in their own homes.
It's good practice for when they join local police departments.

Don't be shy, you happen to be in the majority, but you'll have to cheer loud.
When Bush was doing it fully 55% of Americans approved of torture.

Now that our "sissy President" is in office, it's down to 54%.

But - but - but - waterboarding isn't torture! The Bush administration and tens-of-thousands of neo-cons have told us so, so it MUST be true....

fredkc said:

Come on !!!!

Where are all the people who have cheered torture on the forum for the last decade ?

You should be proud our soldiers learned this, and have no qualms of using it, even in their own homes.
It's good practice for when they join local police departments.

Don't be shy, you happen to be in the majority, but you'll have to cheer loud.
When Bush was doing it fully 55% of Americans approved of torture.

Now that our "sissy President" is in office, it's down to 54%.

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You're not being rational right now. Calm down and come back...

Nobody here would support waterboarding a 4 year old girl. Suggesting anyone would is silly.

Why would any parent want to hurt their child in this way? Poor kid. What is wrong with people anyway?

I can think of a few letters of the alphabet this guy should get tattooed on his forehead!

I don't think I have ever seen a more ridiculous comparison used to try to make a point in my life. If you want to debate whether waterboarding is torture and whether or not it should be used that is a debate worth having over which reasonable minds can disagree. However, to say that if you support waterboarding terrorists who are trying to kill Americans to try to get information on the next attacks that you must also support waterboarding a 4 y.o. for not knowing her ABCs is just crazy.

I support the former but not the later.

Hammer

fredkc said:

Come on !!!!

Where are all the people who have cheered torture on the forum for the last decade ?

You should be proud our soldiers learned this, and have no qualms of using it, even in their own homes.
It's good practice for when they join local police departments.

Don't be shy, you happen to be in the majority, but you'll have to cheer loud.
When Bush was doing it fully 55% of Americans approved of torture.

Now that our "sissy President" is in office, it's down to 54%.

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Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Wash., told police he held the little girl's head backward in a sink of water.

1 What he did to his 4 year old daughter was NOT waterboarding, it was WORSE.

2 There is a big difference in doing this as a last resort to get information out of a terrorist, who has knowledge that may save life, and terrorizing a child.

3 Last, but not least, you have insulted all of our men in the armed services for the actions of one crazy man. (Regular armed forces were/are not allowed to waterbard only a few in the CIA were permited to do this)

You must have been real happy when Obama gave Miranda rights to the underware bomber.

Kent said:

Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Wash., told police he held the little girl's head backward in a sink of water.

1 What he did to his 4 year old daughter was NOT waterboarding, it was WORSE.

2 There is a big difference in doing this as a last resort to get information out of a terrorist, who has knowledge that may save life, and terrorizing a child.

3 Last, but not least, you have insulted all of our men in the armed services for the actions of one crazy man. (Regular armed forces were/are not allowed to waterbard only a few in the CIA were permited to do this)

You must have been real happy when Obama gave Miranda rights to the underware bomber.

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Damn! A voice of reason? What next?...

Kent said:

Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Wash., told police he held the little girl's head backward in a sink of water.

1 What he did to his 4 year old daughter was NOT waterboarding, it was WORSE.

2 There is a big difference in doing this as a last resort to get information out of a terrorist, who has knowledge that may save life, and terrorizing a child.

3 Last, but not least, you have insulted all of our men in the armed services for the actions of one crazy man. (Regular armed forces were/are not allowed to waterboard only a few in the CIA were permited to do this)

You must have been real happy when Obama gave Miranda rights to the underwear bomber.

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+1,000. There's a special place in hell reserved for "men" like this who would torture a child. May he rot there.

And there's a special place in Heaven for all the true heroes in our armed forces.

Maureen

I'm betting that this man suffers from some form of mental illness or PTSD.

This is hardly evidence pro/con waterboarding, I really don't even see the connection.

Now that his child is safe, maybe he can get the help that he obviously needs.

what scares me the most if this guy will do that to his own daughter image if he was on the ground in one of our current theaters what we may have been capable of doing to the "enemy".

peace

rainfour said:

what scares me the most if this guy will do that to his own daughter image if he was on the ground in one of our current theaters what we may have been capable of doing to the "enemy".

peace

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We certainly wouldn't want him doing bad things to the enemy. They might hate us and stuff.

rainfour said:

what scares me the most if this guy will do that to his own daughter image if he was on the ground in one of our current theaters what we may have been capable of doing to the "enemy".

peace

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The enemy has it coming, this child did not.

Maureen

fredkc said:

Come on !!!!

Where are all the people who have cheered torture on the forum for the last decade ?

You should be proud our soldiers learned this, and have no qualms of using it, even in their own homes.
It's good practice for when they join local police departments.

Don't be shy, you happen to be in the majority, but you'll have to cheer loud.
When Bush was doing it fully 55% of Americans approved of torture.

Now that our "sissy President" is in office, it's down to 54%.

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Are you effing kidding? I mean really you are going to equate A terrorist bent on killing innocent people to punishing a child for not knowing her ABC's. Talk all you want, you credibility is below zero. No one is going to take you seriously or give you an ounce of credit,

You could only imagine the kind thoughts anyone is going to think of you. Some mentally challenged monkeys have more common sense than what your showing. Your clearly using this as a teaching moment, so teach, don't show yourself as the most daft person in the universe.

BlueNewton said:

Here's the most sickening part:

" admitted to police he used the torture technique because his daughter was terrified of water"

She will likely never recover from that horror or from the trust her daddy destroyed.

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so true

Simply amazing...Some here just accept this story at face value without the least bit of questioning or research. The soldier in question has never been deployed, let alone "taught waterboarding", but that doesn't stop the hysterics.

Greyhawk at Mudville Gazette, (among others) walks us through the genesis of a far left hit piece...

Child Abuse: Because of Bush!
By Greyhawk
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/033278.html

or "how America's news is made".

Chapter one: the locals

Our story begins with the sort of tragic child abuse story that appears in local papers all too often. This one was from the Nisqually Valley (Washington) News - a report of an arrest made on January 31.

Man suspected of beating 4-year-old
By Megan Hansen
http://www.yelmonline.com/articles/2010/02/05/local_news/doc4b6cb6e6ad980888058536.txt

A Yelm man was arrested Sunday [January 31] for allegedly beating and torturing his daughter. Police said they found the child covered with bruises.

Officers were dispatched around 2 a.m. to Umptanum Road behind Safeway for a report of a disturbance.

Joshua R. Tabor, 27, was allegedly walking up and down the street with a helmet, saying he was going to bust windows, said Yelm Police Chief Todd Stancil.

He appeared to be intoxicated.

When police arrived they discovered Tabor's 4-year-old daughter had locked herself in a bathroom.

Tabor's girlfriend allegedly told police that Tabor has an anger problem and beats his daughter, Stancil said.

The child was interviewed and photographs were taken of the bruises that covered her body.

During the investigation it was also discovered Tabor may have held the girl's head, backward, in a sink of water because she wouldn't say her ABCs, Stancil said.

The Seattle-Tacoma News Tribune added additional details, including that the suspect was "a Joint Base Lewis-McChord soldier."

Anger over alphabet ends in arrest
Charged: Man accused of dunking 4-year-old
http://www.thenewstribune.com/partners/theolympian/story/1054799.html

According to court records:


Tabor's girlfriend told Yelm police that Tabor beats his 4-year-old daughter and that the child's back was covered in bruises. The girlfriend reported that the 4-year-old had locked herself in a closet because she was afraid of her father.

The girlfriend also reported that when the child wets herself, Tabor "makes her sit in the urine-soaked clothes" until he gives her permission to change.
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Tabor spoke to a Yelm police officer and said that he and his girlfriend had "held her down on the counter and submerged her head into the water three or four times until the water came around her forehead and jawline." He said that she was face-up when her head was in the water. He added that they gave this punishment for the 4-year-old "refusing to say her letters."

Tabor was released Monday from the Thurston County Jail after posting $10,000 bail. He is restricted to base at Lewis-McChord as a condition of his release.

The "dunking" was an important point because - as the Nisqually Valley News had reported - "Tabor was arrested for third-degree assault of a child, but police are requesting charges be increased to second-degree assault of a child because of the alleged water incidents." And "they are also asking the prosecutor to charge Tabor's girlfriend, who he said helped hold the girl down in the water." And according to the News Tribune: The Thurston County Prosecuting Attorney's Office filed a charge of second-degree assault of a child against Joshua Ryan Tabor, 27, on Tuesday.


As to why he chose dunking her in the sink "until the water came around her forehead and jawline" - "Tabor allegedly admitted to police that he did it because he knew she was terrified of water."

And there you have it. Tabor's arraignment is scheduled for Feb. 16. Until then he is confined to post. It's a tragic story, and it happens all too often. As a parent, it's horrifying and unforgivable and a reminder that ability to have children and ability to raise children are two different things - and that some thankfully small percentage of people just barely qualify as "people". There are some in your neighborhood and mine. That's one of the reasons when it happens in your neighborhood, it isn't news in mine.

Chapter two: Tabloid data (in which our story sets out for Britain to seek it's fortune)

Somehow the British tabloid Daily Mail heard the child abuse story, and one week after the arrest they found a way to make news from Nisqually Valley an international sensation: add "waterboarding" and CIA" to the mix.

U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html

A soldier waterboarded his four-year-old daughter because she was unable to recite her alphabet.

Joshua Tabor admitted to police he had used the CIA torture technique because he was so angry.

"The practice of waterboarding was used by the CIA to break Al Qaeda suspects at Guantanamo Bay," the Daily Mail helpfully adds. "Detainees had water poured over their face until they feared they would drown. President Barack Obama has since outlawed the practice."

But they also include a description of what allegedly did to his daughter. The story even includes a photo captioned "Human rights activists demonstrate waterboarding in front of the Justice Department. A soldier father stands accused of waterboarding his daughter because she couldn't recite the alphabet" - even though the photo itself is proof that what Tabor is accused of isn't waterboarding.

But that's what tabloids do. Here's the front page of the Daily Mail's web site,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Here's a list of libel suits that have been filed against them in the recent past - that has no bearing on this particular story, just an indication of how they do business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Libel_lawsuits

This is no secret - "Brangelina's Secret UFO Sex Diet" sells - especially with added Beckham quotes. "Man beats kid near Seattle" doesn't draw the average housewife's attention away from the Snickers bars in the checkout lanes - unless he used secret CIA waterboarding techniques.

Fortunately, no one's really that gullible. (/kidding)

Chapter 3: Back in the USA (In which our week-old story makes it's way back across the Atlantic to it's home country, reborn.)

"Monkey see, monkey do. And the chimp in chief made it a household word," explains the American web site Political Carnival in their endorsement of the Daily Mail story. Fortunately no one reads... wait - "Joshua Tabor admitted to police that he used a CIA torture technique on his 4-year-old daughter because he was angry she couldn't recite the alphabet. (h/t The Political Carnival)" reports Alan Colmes (fomerly of Fox News). So now we have a man admitting he used a CIA technique? Astoundingly, Colmes uses the Daily Mail photo, too - but doesn't quote the portion of the story that reveals this isn't what the father is accused of doing.
http://www.alan.com/2010/02/07/us-soldier-waterboards-4-year-old-daughter-for-not-knowing-alphabet/

The Daily Beast web site links the Daily Mail story too, and adds another twist: "He chose waterboarding--the CIA torture technique that simulates drowning and has been banned by the Obama administration--because he knew the girl was terrified of water."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/soldier-waterboards-4-year-old-daughter/child-abuse/

AOL News Filter ("With so many news aggregators out there, who can keep up? AOL News filters the filters to steer you to the headlines that really matter" reads their banner) announces "The Daily Beast picks up a story from Britain's Daily Mail, reporting on a U.S. soldier who allegedly waterboarded his 4-year-old daughter." The AOL roundup includes several stories - but the overall headline is "The Filter: Soldier Accused of Waterboarding Daughter".
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/the-filter-soldier-accused-of-waterboarding-daughter/19348765

One of the people who writes at The Atlantic using the name Andrew Sullivan writes "A US Soldier Waterboards His Own Child." He (I believe all the "Andrew Sullivans" are he) calls the Daily Mail a "populist paper" (the original Andrew Sullivan is British - so he should know) but is mostly concerned that Marc Thiessen might claim "she wasn't really "waterboarded" as the professionals do it." I have no idea who Mark Theissen is, but if he does make that claim it's because it's true, and apparently at least one of the "Andrew Sullivans" knows this. (Does his willingness to acknowledge up front that he's wrong somehow increase the truthiness of what he writes?)
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c...2/a-us-soldier-waterboards-his-own-child.html

But more hilariously, "Andrew Sullivan" further notes that "No US paper has yet to report the story. Why am I not surprised?" Except that US papers broke the story a week ago - a British paper twisted it into a form suitable for international news of the tabloid variety, and not only are lefty bloggers and web sites falling for it, but the New York Daily News, Fox News, and ABC all have the "waterboarding" headlines now, too. ABC News adds that the suspect served in Iraq!!!! (He has never deployed to any theater.)

With at least three "Andrew Sullivans" you'd think at least one of them could have checked that.

But there you have it - that's how "news" is made in America today.

And if you ever doubted that leftists are convinced that American soldiers are "monkeys" who would torture their own children because of Bush, now you know a little more about that, too.

Oh, and free advice to any potential lawyer in this case: ignore the people quoted above, don't try to blame Bush.
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Just for the record, waterboarding was carried out 3 times by interrogators from the Intelligence agencies, NOT by soldiers, nor is it "taught to soldiers" in the field as is implied by some here. When Fred KC makes statements like...

"You should be proud our soldiers learned this, and have no qualms of using it, even in their own homes. It's good practice for when they join local police departments." He just shows his own ignorance and disdain for those who put their lives on the line to enable him to spout such nonsense.

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