USA So, Y'all sat aroud the table yesterday- whats the mindset out there? Any stories?

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imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
While sitting around the Thanksgiving table yesterday with friends and family I'm sure all of our discussions varied widely. What is the general mindset that you gleaned from your interactions? Anything interesting?

We had a smallish gathering- 16 including 7 from the 18 & under crowd. 2 of my in-laws are top-of-the-food-chain attorneys. Their investments have mostly recovered and their general attitude is- that while things are bad out there now is the time to invest as we are at a bottom and things are definitely going to get better.

The liberal att'y is a global warming- guns are bad & Obama will save us believer. I'm an opinionated deer-hunting, chicken raising, gold buying gardener! We do have some colorful, uh, "discussions" Of course, since Ive been advocating gold from $250/oz and have forewarned that BHO is a anti-American corporate globalist I'm winning(wink) all the , uh, "discussions".

His brother is also a atty who owns a string of South Beach condos. He 'invested' in these in '04 (against my doomer mindset advice) and is, of course, getting simply killed. But he bought a new airplane last month so he 'feels' better.

Anyway, I love the family and it is always good to break bread together and I enjoy trying to help them(!) with their ridiculous optimism.

What was it like around your table yesterday?
 
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Fly Girl

Veteran Member
Very good question. Unemployment has hit my family, and as you know, I am in your general vicinity (probably can guess who those attorneys are, wink, wink!). DH is still unemployed, though he has some opportunities that seem promising, so please keep a prayer for us. That would be my Christmas present! The others, one sister and one brother, brother is unemployed, think that Obama will pull us through. He is not speaking to me since August when he and I had it out at my Mom's birthday over politics.....he said he is well in the know because he watches Rachel Maddow every night and she does some great research.....dear Lord! OK by me, except he totally ignored my daughter (13 y/o.....what a man he is taking it out on a kid!) and the day was uncomfortable because his blatant ignoring us upset my daughter to the point that she was almost in tears on the way home because he made such a point to fawn over my nieces who are her age. I kept my mouth shut and just tried to ignore it all as he and my sister spewed on about healthcare reform. All three of us are connected to the medical industry, though I am the only one who works directly with physicians. They think that physicians are very happy with the changes. I know better. Just between Tuesday and Wednesday alone.....I was in 11 offices and 3 of the ones I worked with told me if it goes through, they are done and gone. A fourth cited a study that said a recent survey found that 38% of physicians in practice will leave....and he speculates that those will be the top 38% who are successful and can afford to do so. He also mentioned that 20 years ago, there were 50 applicants for each spot in med school. Today it is about 18-22 applicants. So this bodes unwell for the future of healthcare.

Other than that, my Obama loving kin think all is just fine and dandy.
 
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johnnymac

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The only thing that came up was while watching football.

Normally, NFL means commercials for the United Way. This time it as a number of NFL players on the lawn of the White House (uh oh). Dres Brees (QB for the NO Saints) throws a pass to a number of kids and President Obama runs into the screen in slow motion and catches the ball. That was bizarre. It just went on and on in slow motion with the Pres. Weird.

Anyway, the ad turned out to be for "united we serve.gov" which means the United Way got the boot this year in favor of involuntary volunteerism or whatever.

My son yelled "Sack him!" which I thought was funny.

This started the conversation about the direction of the country and how Obama's numbers were way down. (Half the family are big time Dems). The Dem side was quiet as there was not much they could say.

Then the game resumed and politics disappeared.
 
minkykat

minkykat

Komplainy Kat
With the exception of one person, all of my husband's side of the family think that Barak "Insane" obomba is a sleeper cell of one who was planted by the evil one to hasten the destruction of our nation.

My Father's people all think that Barak is the chosen one and who ever thinks ill of him is likely a racist.

Thankfully, my Father and his people live in another state leaving us to tear apart "dear leader" amongst our cozy selves.
 
Freeholder

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
We had dinner with our pastor and wife, and some folks from the church. General consensus is that things are most likely going to get worse. No specifics. Pastor and wife have their house for sale and are hoping it sells for enough for them to buy some land outside city limits (lower taxes) and build a house. But they know that it's pretty iffy right now.

Kathleen
 
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DoomBuggy

Veteran Member
I went to my friend/roommate's family for Thanksgiving where no one ever seems to talk about anything of substance and optimism reigns supreme. When discussing my unemployment I was assured that "things are picking up" and employers will start hiring in January. When talking about one of the roommates' nieces and her new husband in SC and how they bought a four-flat, I looked at the roommate and said "We can go live in one of those when the economy collapses." Ignored by all.

Besides digesting turkey, I am digesting the Dubai announcement and Noriel Roubini's warning that the unemployed hunker down as it'll be with us through 2010, and I just smile. Today, tho, I find myself totally frustrated and flabergasted about their sheeple mindset! :sht:

The last time my sister and I "spoke", I'd sent her the Kool-Aid picture with O's face on it in response to she and her husband's worship of him. I'd love to send her the Hope is Fading t-shirt from another thread for Christmas.
 
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Seabird

Veteran Member
Interesting question. Unemployment is deeply effecting many of those at the Thanksgiving table yesterday. (There were no lovers of President Obama in attendance.. something we all had in common.)

The one notable thing about the conversations were how much the DGI's in my life were beginning to get it. (As relieved as I am that this is happening, it was a little scary, too. It meant we could be on the precipice.)




Minky Cat: With the exception of one person, all of my husband's side of the family think that Barak "Insane" obomba is a sleeper cell of one who was planted by the evil one to hasten the destruction of our nation.
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Minky Cat, this was a great sentence!
 
MamaDel

MamaDel

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imaginative said:
While sitting around the Thanksgiving table yesterday with friends and family I'm sure all of our discussions varied widely. What is the general mindset that you gleaned from your interactions? Anything interesting?

We had a smallish gathering- 16 including 7 from the 18 & under crowd. 2 of my in-laws are top-of-the-food-chain attorneys. Their investments have mostly recovered and their general attitude is- that while things are bad out there now is the time to invest as we are at a bottom and things are definitely going to get better.

The liberal att'y is a global warming- guns are bad & Obama will save us believer. I'm an opinionated deer-hunting, chicken raising, gold buying gardener! We do have some colorful, uh, "discussions" Of course, since Ive been advocating gold from $250/oz and have forewarned that BHO is a anti-American corporate globalist I'm winning(wink) all the , uh, "discussions".

His brother is also a atty who owns a string of South Beach condos. He 'invested' in these in '04 (against my doomer mindset advice) and is, of course, getting simply killed. But he bought a new airplane last month so he 'feels' better.

Anyway, I love the family and it is always good to break bread together and I enjoy trying to help them(!) with their ridiculous optimism.

What was it like around your table yesterday?
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"Ridiculous optimism" about sums it up. For the most part DH's family are Politically Correct to the letter...No religion, No Politics. Chat's may consist of weekend plans, Weather, Football, Food and what everyones kids are up to.If I try to gently and respectfully start a meaningful conversation on anything... it is quickly diverted back to the "acceptable" topics above. My husband and I have on occasion been able to get his family(some of them), to get into an email conversation. It isn't long before we are accused of "fear mongering" and it ends.

MamaDel
 
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momof23goats

Deceased
nothing was said at the table, except we might not do this next year, might have to be living on rations. [yes we will ration our food if need be].

we got up and went to the stores, [never again], what a mess. but many people were saying they had 10 people to buy for, and only had 100$ for gitts or less.
also many said what they bought this early moring was it.


most of the stores didn't have that many people, only target, and kmart had full parking lots, the rest wasn't nothing.

many peole were buying sleepingbags, then there wa one gal, that bought the 10 , 32 inch tvs, that target had for 200$ off. she bought them all.


Most people were trying to get jeans, and coats boots, things like that.
 
Hansa44

Hansa44

Justine Case
MamaDel said:
"Ridiculous optimism" about sums it up. For the most part DH's family are Politically Correct to the letter...No religion, No Politics. Chat's may consist of weekend plans, Weather, Football, Food and what everyones kids are up to.If I try to gently and respectfully start a meaningful conversation on anything... it is quickly diverted back to the "acceptable" topics above. My husband and I have on occasion been able to get his family(some of them), to get into an email conversation. It isn't long before we are accused of "fear mongering" and it ends.

MamaDel
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Doncha' love it when they accuse you of things like that. Another word they like is "fatalist".
 
dissimulo

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
Dad is a liberal Democrat - Obama supporter. Mom is a moderate Democrat - Clinton supporter. My two brothers and I are Libertarians, two of us were Ron Paul supporters and one a McCain supporter. My sister has not declared her affiliation, but judging by her beliefs, she might be a card-carrying communist - she likes Obama, but voted for Brian Moore. My GF is largely apolitical, but her beliefs come closest to anarchist.

You can imagine what those political conversations would be like. :lol: We try to avoid them. At least my brothers and I see eye to eye on most things.

I did observe that the enthusiasm of my Dad and sister for Obama seems to have waned. And my Mom interjects occasional "I told you so" comments when the topic of Obama failing to fulfill his promises comes up. My sister won't pay $40 a month for catastrophic healthcare coverage, but is pretty exited about the opportunity to get "free" insurance.
 
MamaDel

MamaDel

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ahh yes. Well even Jesus was rejected in his hometown:shr: Sometimes those closest to us are hardest to reach.

MamaDel
 
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ShakinSouth

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Some of my family knows that this country is in trouble. One or two still have, and will always have trouble finding their way out of a wet paper sack.
 
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OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
Remember, the pessimist sees the glass as half-empty, the optimist as half-full, and the realist as too big. :D
 
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FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We only had six at the table instead of the usual 14, so it was pretty quiet. One son came home for two days, and we had a great time with him. The Obama contingent isn't coming home till Christmas so it was peaceful.

Got a couple of holiday calls from distant family. The one I talked to the longest Totally Gets It.
 
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Troke

Deceased
Couple of things; Some of my kids/inlaws say things kind of perked up the last half of this year. But nobody will give plugged nickel for next year. Looks very gloomy because everything is locking up..no loans, no hiring because nobody knows what the gov is going to do etc.

DW plays a lot of Bridge. Many of the participants are women who were raised as 'ladies' (If you can't find something positive to say about somebody, say nothing.).

In the past few weeks, silence has turned into 'negative' views of the current administration mainly in the area of the deficit (what will our grandkids do with it?) and jobs (Our grandkids are out of college and no work.).

Congress all sweated up over healthcare is not playing in the hinterlands who seem to be starting to think that Congress has its priorities misplaced.
 
nanna

nanna

Devil's Advocate
We said a prayer of thanks in the middle of our first mouthful, almost forgot but not quite :)
 
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Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Both of my DGI parents and one of my DGI sister's families came up to Memphis for Thanksgiving.


These are major DGI folks -- some of you will remember that my parents are so DGI that they stayed down in New Orleans for Hurricane Katrina.


So what was the discussion?


About how quickly the world is changing, how Zero's death care plan is going to kill off people, how the country is going to hell in a handbasket, and fast. I did NOT do much speaking -- I was too busy going into shock from the tone of this DGI group's conversation.


MAJOR DOT last night's at the Barry family's Thanksgiving dinner!
 
rafter

rafter

Since 1999
2 Kansas City Stars were bought for the ads (of course they wouldn't think about actually reading the news, even on the front page). And the days discssion was which store opened first. What was the second store to go to. What aisle the stuff they wanted to buy was on, etc.

They started at midnight (but actually getting to the store at 10pm) and ran through noon. Just buying junk. They thought we were weird because we don't shop black Friday.

I tried to explain to a few about Dubai, and what was going on economically and the dollar, and all I got was "that isn't going to affect me", and they went back to looking at the ads.

I figure they are a good example of the normal everyday sheep that don't have a clue and won't know what hit them till its pretty much over and they wonder why the local Mexican restaurant isn't open and where are they going to eat tonight.

Absolute cluelessness.
 
Codeno

Codeno

Veteran Member
My formerly DGI father in law really gets it now, one of the biggest transformations I've witnessed personally ever. A year ago, he was telling me that what I was warning him of couldn't happen here, "because this is America". Today, his eyes are wide open, and he's more angry than I am.

Nice to have someone likeminded to talk to when we're over there. Haven't said I told you so yet. Yet.
 
duchess47

duchess47

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Interesting dinner last night at my house. Everyone angry with Obama, with illegals, with health care coming. I just sat back and listened. Oh, and hoping for lots of snow so son can make some money, hoping for a job (interview next week) for friend who was laid off several months ago. Then while the women cleaned up, the men went out target practicing.
 
Morning Star

Morning Star

Groovy Hoosier
My cousin's new wife will graduate from law school this year. She has been offered a job with a firm for 40k, but she'd not taking it because that offer is too low. I just wanted to shake her and tell her to take whatever job she can because that dream job is just that...a dream.
 
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Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
I had a surreal experience arguing with a Republican. Now as most of you know the fact that I, a Democrat arguing with Republicans is not news. What was surreal was her telling me that Health Care was desperately needed and the richest percent of America that received 70 percent of the wealth paid no taxes and her bemoaning the fact (Her words not mine) the Republican party had abandoned it's traditional stance of 100 years prior of taking care of the American people for business. She informed me that since she had, had breast cancer she knew a lot more about American Heath Care (wink and nod) then I did. It's a good thing I'm not related to her by blood.

The rest of the talk seemed centered around family not the economy which is normal for family gatherings. I had pumpkin pie and indigestion for desert. At least I will not have to see her again till Christmas.
 
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jim_bo

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While having dinner with my wife's grandmother who is just out of cancer surgery just 5 days ago, and is a die hard demacrat, she spouted we are in trouble! Thats worth listening to!

God Help us!

God Bless,

Jim_bo
 
pkchicken

pkchicken

resident chicken
The day before DS (17yo) and I spent the day baking pies, cookies and brownies. What a nice together time. I shared my techniques,and he actually listened, he shared his ideas.....I listened too.

Thanksgiving day, DS and I made the dinner.....mostly DS with me being kitchen help. Lots of passing down treasured tips and recipes..(I'm not going to live forever!)

Dinner was real nice . First we all mentioned what we were thankful for this year.
We had the usual and the unusual such as " I am grateful for sweet potatos"...He does love those sweet potatos so no one thought it odd.

We passed around the bowls and trays and no one began eating until all were served.

Then there was alot of "please pass the peas" and " hey , this stuffing is good, different but good" and " is the gravy too rich?" and "I remember when mom was alive she always made turnips" ...and so it went.

No politics, no arguments, no bummer that mom forgot the olives and the coleslaw or any other bummer talk.

I have no idea why it was so calm , so nice.

Maybe it's because we get lots of practice....we have dinner together every night at 5 o'clock.

If you want, we can hold a spot for you.

pk
 
LoupGarou

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
We just had the immediate local family and their kids. All conservative, but some more moderate than others. Mom (very conservative) has been both a prepper, and a GI for a while. Dad (conservative-light) has gone from a massive DGI up till a year or two ago, to a DWtGI (Doesn't Want to Get It), to a SCUbA (Something Could Ultimately be Amiss). He is now realizing that SS is bankrupt, Medicare/Medicade is NOT going to be there more than a year or two more at the rate of hemorrhaging that is happening, and that both the markets and the economy are in severe trouble, as well as in severe denial of that level of trouble. While he voted repub, he has had "hope" that Obamanation could pull the nation's fat out of the fire at least a little so that "the norm" could at least continue till we got somebody else in that was fiscally responsible. He was looking "hopefully" towards something positive happening with healthcare, but now realizes that Obamacare is about as worthless as his Circuit City stocks became. He is now waking up to the fact that the Marxist in Chief has very bad plans for this country and that ObamanationCare, and "Crap and Tirade" is only a small part of it. He sees that the end of a lot of "good times" is coming near, and realizes that prepping was a needed thing.

The rest of the local family gets it. Some will be probably losing their jobs soon, as larger companies start to shut divisions down, and the markets continue to implode. We are all prepped, but it still is a shock to see that the public has been led down this path with little resistance as a nation.

We talked about the future, both near term and a year or two out. Plans are made for the worst, and most of them now realize that "the worst" now has new levels of "worst-ness". Things will change, and the people that will survive will continue to do so by being flexible.

Loup
 
LoupGarou

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
rafter said:
2 Kansas City Stars were bought for the ads (of course they wouldn't think about actually reading the news, even on the front page). And the days discssion was which store opened first. What was the second store to go to. What aisle the stuff they wanted to buy was on, etc.

They started at midnight (but actually getting to the store at 10pm) and ran through noon. Just buying junk. They thought we were weird because we don't shop black Friday.

I tried to explain to a few about Dubai, and what was going on economically and the dollar, and all I got was "that isn't going to affect me", and they went back to looking at the ads.

I figure they are a good example of the normal everyday sheep that don't have a clue and won't know what hit them till its pretty much over and they wonder why the local Mexican restaurant isn't open and where are they going to eat tonight.

Absolute cluelessness.
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Exactly, rafter, exactly. They are sheep, grazing continuously on "bread and circuses", and not hearing the shearer or the butcher getting ready.

Loup
 
BigBadBossyDog

BigBadBossyDog

Inactive
Interesting thread.

I suspect those hard-core Obots are still claiming victory because of their inability to admit they were wrong. That would probably be especially true of the attorneys, who are never wrong, even when they lose their cases. We'll just have to show them that in the case of their Lord and Master, Obama, there are no appeals forthcoming.
 
MtnGal

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No real political conversations to speak of. The females read every Black Friday ad cover to cover and over again making their lists. The guys worked outside until dinner.

I was totally out numbered with ridiculous optimism. They haven't a clue what is in the healthcare bill, Copenhagen, or Cap n Trade. They all think O will pull us out of this mess.

The one person I did converse with, the one I thought had the least clue was well informed but said she never discusses with the rest because they think she's crazy.

The youngest, a progressive college kid who thinks O is great, was glad he will be out of college before the 'service' program comes about.

God forbid anyone smokes but they can swig down the alcohol. They are green because they recycle but all drive big SUVs.

Money is the bottom line for them. They, all except for the college kid, have good paying jobs that haven't been effected. Their savings and 401's have been hit hard, but when the economy comes back after Christmas they will make it up.

They are good, hard working people who will lend anyone a helping hand but will go down hard when tshtf and they won't be able to handle it.

It was a day for me to be very quiet, listen and watch.
 
Volleyball Granny

Volleyball Granny

Inactive
We had friends, not family. No Dems...they didn't show. We were down from our normal 10-12 to 6. We still managed to have an argument about Global Warming--one said that the world was over-populated and that all the cities had increased temperatures. We jumped in to say, NO! She said that she'd thought we were smarter than that...and we just looked at her. We may not have had 6 Mensas sitting around that table, but it was pretty close. She said she took it back. LOL I told her that I'd spent a summer (I'm a teacher, I study pet subjects during the summer) studying global warming and her opinion couldn't change my research. We did agree that anything a person could do to reduce their carbon footprint couldn't hurt the climate. Then we got into a meandering discussion on sustainability as we got into a discussion on what building codes required x number of square feet for greenery per each parking space and how you couldn't plant live oak trees under power lines and then the pros and cons of burried power lines.

Then we talked about Houston's program for letting city-dwellers have park-space to garden, allotments in England, and community gardens in Italy and how do you keep other people from stealing food in community gardens...which led to a discussion of the produce trucks going neighborhood to neighborhood in Detroit and people not wanting food that didn't come out of a box or can.

I'd have to say that most around the table were DGI...as far as prepping. One guy thinks I'm smart to do it (since I have the space and have been able to squeeze out a little cash for it), one guy doesn't care about it (thinks he'll have trouble when his meds run out anyway), one woman (the one who lives 6 hours out in the country on 15 acres, selling it to move into the city) thinks I'm going over-board, and the couple seems to be getting it politically (though I think that's a fairly new revelation for them). For the most part, we're of like minds, so it was a pretty smooth day.

We did have a running joke about Cap and Trade, though--every time someone burped or tooted, we told them they owed a 25 cent C&T tax. Come on...I was the youngest one at the table (and I'll be 51 next month).
 
Tiamat214

Tiamat214

Senior Member
Then the game resumed and politics disappeared.[/QUOTE]


Yeap and there in lies the problem with the country. If they all game as much time and effort to what is going on with the goverment and politics and the country in general as they do about sports<sic> then we might not be in the mess it is in now.

Sports is just to distract the sheeple from what is giong on.
 
homepark

homepark

Resist
The usually quiet Thanksgiving feast went postal this year. I was talking to my cousin about my getting into buying silver in a small way. My SIL's new boyfriend asks why and then goes on the attack (I was not optimistic about Obama's handling of the economy). Everytime he made some grand accusation, I countered with some facts that I knew to be true. He would go ballistic. he resorted to yelling, name calling, "That's BS!" etc. He had no coherent argument for his positions that I could discern. Challenging his talking points outraged him.

He went absoluely ape-shit when I told him that my favorite recent president was GWB (He asked me). All the usual froth came spewing from his lips. We got to talking about Iraq, at his insistence. As I point some things out, that were in the press but never gained much traction as they did not support the Dems position, he would call me a liar. When I told him that my information about Iraq did not from Fox News or the RNC, he denied that I ever worked in counter-terrorism, intell, etc. I started laughing, which infuriated him.

All in all, it was an incredible performance. My favorite sound bite from him is "Socialism is only a word!" Staying calm and collected in front of him took effort, but it was well worth it. When he said "You people scare me!". I said "Good. As I have no intention of standing by while Obama and his fellow travelers attempt to lead us further into tyranny."

BTW, he is an unemployed professional. Still waiting for "hope" I would suppose.
 
pkchicken

pkchicken

resident chicken
Homepark I enjoyed reading about your conversation with your sil's bf very much. I could just see it as I read it.
Well done.

pk
 
Mrs Smith

Mrs Smith

Inactive
While I was in the kitchen with my dad's wife and sister, we listened to my 77 yo dad and his 79 yo brother talking in the livingroom. I've not heard the N word that much in the last 20 years. But at their age, that's the word they grew up using in regards to all blacks. But I heard them talking about white ******s too.

Needless to say, no one on his side of the family voted for O, except for probably his wife, but she keeps her mouth shut.
 
WildDaisy

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Parents "get it", but not really. They speak the words and I know they know it is coming, but they dont want to know. They just keep going as if nothing is going on. So while she talks a good game at what is going on, she has done nothing to prepare.

They tease me about my "preps" and she thinks its "cute" that I prepare for hard times, as she calls it.

But today I think she got a wake up call. We had a memorial service for a friend of hers and everyone went back to her house for brunch afterwards.

One of the friends husbands, who I dont know too well, was left afterwards, helping us clean up and she started in with the "teasing" about the preps and in a nice way, he put her straight.

He told her that it would be wise to not tell too many people what I have and that I probably don't appreciate it (yes, I've asked her time and again not to say anything and told her if I am dead because a mob came to take my stuff, she would be dead too soon afterwards). He told her just as much. He said the things that I have been telling her and I know from his talk that he is one of "us" too.

I think she finially "got it" and that I am not some crackpot over the edge person, but that there are others, right in the middle of the people she knows, that are just like me.

We talked later about it and she seems to get it now.

In the discussion about Obama, none at the table voted for him and know where we are heading with this all. The man brought the discussion to Palin and he thought while she will take some grooming to "soften" the edges on her, he thinks she is a no nonsense, take no crap type person. He likened her to Truman. A bit gruff, but gets the job done.

So overall, I have one friend at the table that evening that likes "Obama". All the rest do not like him, and a handfull see the writing on the wall.
 
homepark

homepark

Resist
pkchicken said:
Homepark I enjoyed reading about your conversation with your sil's bf very much. I could just see it as I read it.
Well done.

pk
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Thnx pk. What was odd was how mad he would get when I would say, "Well ok. We disagree" He just was insistant that I admit I was wrong. Lordy.
 
colonel holman

colonel holman

Administrator
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All my siblings (aged 45-55) agreed we are so screwed and all are individually taking steps to prep for a collapse and that we will all have to collaborate to make it. Good exchange.
 
KerryAnn

KerryAnn

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We had a small crowd, just my family and my parents. My dad is severely physically disabled from a car accident, but his mind is sharp as a tack and he's a brilliant man. So he sits and watches History Channel, National Geographic and the like to pass his days, but no online access (or he'd be on here in a heartbeat. lol). He was fully of questions he wanted to ask me about my opinion on 2012 after he saw a program on one of those stations. You see, over the last year and a half they've gone from total DGIs to really having their eyes and ears opened, and seeing that a lot of what I've been saying is correct. So now they're doing what they can with what they have, where they are. Better late than never, and I dole out information as they can absorb it, taking them through each step as they can manage.

This will possibly be my last Thanksgiving with my daddy, we're awaiting a diagnosis on his problem now.
 
Palmetto

Palmetto

Son, Husband, Father
Hats off to Loup for the DWtGI acronym.

That about sums up most of the people I run into.

They just don't want to think about "it."

GREAT thread!

Palmetto
 
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