ECON The World Changed This Week

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Interesting read on Midas
posted on Oct 31, 09 05:32AM

MIDAS


Appendix

Hi Bill -
I understand that some of my Road to Roota followers were disappointed in my call that you deamed as "Way Out There" last week.

I admit that I have missed on timing (repeatedly) before but I don't think I did this time.

Last week this was my call:

"I continue to believe that next week will be the week that shakes the financial world at its foundation."

I believed it happened on Sunday evening.

Although it may not seem like it on the surface.. yet... I believe that the "temporary structural I-beam" that has supported our financial system for the past 8 months CRACKED on Sunday night with the bankruptcy of Capmark Financial. Capmark was THE ring leader in the Commercial Real Estate derivatives markets. Two days later GMAC declared they needed many more billions from the government. CIT will likely go down this weekend.

But the key to all this is that the Commercial Real Estate Derivative market is now IMPLODING. Everyone talks about the imploding Credit Default Swaps at AIG...which were bad but they are dwarfed by the derivatives related to Commercial Real Estate.

The Commercial Real Estate derivatives are the largest and most structured of all the derivative products. Just look at this 2007 presentation at a Mortgage Bankers Conference and you can see the insanity of these structured products.

http://www.mortgagebankers.org/files/Conferences/2007/CREFFebruary/DarrenEsser.pdf

Capmark (with major help from their Goldman Sachs part owner) was the ringleader, organizer and conductor of the Commercial Real Estate derivative market. Although they claim to have a world wide portfolio of $288B, they were also a major component of the secret off shore "special purpose entity" placement of these products.

Here are just some of the majorly structured derivative products in Commercial Real Estate.

CDO's
Conduit CMBS
ConduitREIT
REITWhole Loan
FixedREIT
TrupsCRE
CDOsWhole Loan
Fixed or FloatingCTLC
MBS Large Loan FloatersB-Notes
FixedCRE CDOs
Rake Bonds
FixedCTLB-Notes
Fixed or FloatingRake Bonds
Fixed or FloatingMezzanine Loans

My call that this week will mark the END of the cabal will be proved out over the next few weeks/months.

The world changed this week…and most people have no idea.
Bix

Later

http://agoracom.com/ir/ECU/forums/d...esting-read-on-midas/messages/1254315#message

The world changed this week…and most people have no idea.
Bix

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Yes, and unfortunately your article does little to make them aware of it. CAN SOMEONE TRANSLATE THIS FINANCIAL TALK INTO PLAIN ENGLISH FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT FLUENT IN "TRADER TALK?"

All I get is "something wicked this way comes" but you didn't need this to know that. What is this man saying?

DS,

These derivatives have been just hanging out there for such a long time. The collapse is inevitable. The only question is when. Thanks for the interesting post. We shall see whether the catalyst has occured to start this whole collapse. It is going to be a doozy.

Not surprising. We've been waiting for the Commercial Real Estate market to collapse. Look at all the empty stores in the malls, all the empty space from big business that have gone under, and the empty buildings where car used to be sold. No rent = no paying mortgage.

Personally I won't be jumping for joy at the happy "the recession is over" news until the commercial real estate AND credit card collapse is truly factored in.

UNEX is a mess too. The bots thread won't let you go to the last page (last I checked ne way).

aint funny- go to wikipedia and look up derivitives... this will help you. all the different names are just fancy window washing for 'side bets made by banks with no obligation to report them on thier financial statements" this is a HUGE PROBLEM. banks are to have a certain % of reserves even in our silly fractional banking system that allows banks to take in 1 dollar of you money, then lend out 10 dollars based on that 1 dollar. see the problem there? now add to that they have 'gambled" against or for the markets to go up or down in various sectors ie: housing, commodiites, etc. these side bets are 'insurance policies" they like to day or DERIVITIVE CONTRACTS> they have not one obligation to show a) how much they have in derivitive exposure or B> how much they may lose on a counter party contract (the other side of the contract above). this is a WRECKING BALL waiting to demoloish our GLOBAL econ. all countries almost are playing this side bet game- in fact the last number I saw for estimated exposure was 5x the GLOBAL GDP. let that sink in..

this is a bad deal and we are all going to suffer due to thier greed and arrogance.

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this. Over the last few days a 'flu' has skyrocketed in the Ukraine. They have reported closed several borders, shut schools, etc., Here is a story just starting to go around the net. It is interesting enough AND ties in with several large dots from earlier this year.

True or not? I don't know, but I am glad I came across it:



Saturday, October 31, 2009
Has Baxter International released a biological weapon?

Evidence appears to suggest that Baxter International is responsible for a new deadly outbreak of viral pneumonia in Ukraine.

In February of 2009 Bloomberg reported that Baxter "accidentally" send vaccine material containing both live Avian bird flu and seasonal influenza to multiple laboratories worldwide. A laboratory decided to test the vaccine on it's ferrets, but the ferrets all unexpectedly died. It must be noted that Baxter has made a "mistake" like this before. Blood products produced by Baxter once containd HIV. Thousands of haemophiliacs died due to this, and many went on to infect their spouses.

Later in the year, a bizarre story emerged on the internet. The Huffington Post reported on a a man named Joseph Moshe who was arrested after a hours long standoff with the police because he had supposedly made threats against the White House. The man was able to withstand multiple rounds of tear gas.

However, the internet community was very skeptical of the true reasons behidn this man's arrest. Comments on the Huffington Post website immediately began pouring in about an unreported side to this story, namely that Joseph Moshe was a Mossad Agent specialized in biological warfare who called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapn that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon it's release.

Although anyone can make a doomsday claim and we should never believe anyone (and it must be said that the Truth movement handled this well, the message was spread without being proclaimed as gospel) the amazing part about Moshe's claim was the location where Moshe said the biological weapon was being produced.

Moshe claimed that Baxter's laboratory in the Ukraine out of all places was creating this biological weapon. All of this came out in the beginning of August, which is more than 2 months before the situation that is currently unfolding. For Moshe to correctly name the country where a new epidemic would be unleashed, requires either inside information, or an incredible coincidence as anyone with a basic knowledge of statistics can confirm for himself.

Let us assume for a moment that every person on our planet has an equal chance of giving rise to a new lethal epidemic due to a virus that mutates as it spreads through his body. The Ukraine has 46 million inhabitants. The current estimated global population is about 6.7 billion. This means that if a new epidemic were to arise, the chance of this epidemic starting in the Ukraine would be 0.69%. However, it appears that this virus is a form of flu. This makes the odds of being right when guessing that a deadly flu is going to break out in the Ukraine even smaller. The reason for this is that back in early August the vast majority of influenza infections were found in different countries than the Ukraine. In fact, on 30 Oktober, Earthtimes reported that Ukraine had officially reported only two cases of swine flu, and no deaths, until last Friday. This deadly epidemic appears to have arrived out of nowhere in the Ukraine.

Moshe's biomed profile appears to confirm his position as a microbiologist. Furthermore, this page with Baxter's contact information for it's Ukraine office confirms that Baxter has a presence in the Ukraine.

It must also be noted that massive numbers of microbiologists have been dying bizarre deaths. This case of what appears to be a brave man who sacrificed it all to bring us this message may explain why so many microbiologists have been murdered. The fact that this man managed to predict an outbreak of highly lethal influenza in a place where we would least expect it, 2 months before it a actually occured, lends credence to his claim that Baxter International is responsible for the outbreak and shows that top microbiologists can pose a problem to the people responsible for this ongoing disaster.

This is a developing story, expect to see possible updates on David Rothscum Reports as more information on what is happening in Ukraine becomes available.

Update 1: For the purpose of keeping information from disappearing, I am going to mirror most information I can find on here.
Comments on the Huffington post website on an article about Moshe's arrest documenting his claim that the Influenza virus in a vaccine manufactured by Baxter in Ukraine replicates RNA from the 1918 flu and is meant as a bioweapon:


Update 2: The Ukrainian government wants to impose travel restrictions on people across the nation to stop the virus from spreading.

Update 3: According to the Huffington post comments I cited above, Dr. Moshe claimed that the virus used replicated RNA of the 1918 Spanish flu. Symptoms of the 1919 Flu include victims being drenched in blood:


American were familiar with the flu; it sent you to bed, made you miserable for 3 or 4 days with fever, muscle aches, and congestion, then left you shaky for about a week. It made millions sick, yet killed only the oldest, youngest, and most feeble.

The 1918 influenza was not the flu Americans were familiar with. It was a horror that turned victims bluish-black then drowned them with their own body fluids. the death toll was highest in the ages 15 to 40, those in the peak of health. The victims would be fine one minute and the next incapacitated, fever-racked, and delirious. Temperatures rose to 104-106 degrees, skin turned blue, purple, or deep brown from lack of oxygen. Massive pneumonia attacked the lungs, filling them with fluid; blood gushed from the nose. Death was quick, savage, and terrifying.

Compare this to reports that are coming out from Ukraine:



Five persons have died from the flue in Lviv, four men and one woman, says emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych.

Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with 2 others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.


(...)


Viral tests can last from one to two weeks. They are complicated and not done in Lviv. The course of the disease was very quick. The symptoms included very high temperature and short-wind cough.

(...)

All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 – 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.



http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2009/10/has-baxter-international-released.html

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This was posted back in August or so. It made the national/international news.




The would-be bomber, Joseph Moshe, called into the Dr True Ott Show on Republic Broadcasting and said he was a microbiologist who wanted to hand over evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 vaccines being produced by Baxter pharmaceutical. He claimed that that Baxter’s lab in the Ukraine was in fact preparing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He maintained that the vaccine contained both adjuvants designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 global pandemic. That’s it. He made no threat against Obama, nor said anything about bombs or any attack. The following day he was hauled out of his red VW beetle by a SWAT team and arrested. He was immediately extradited to Israel, where he has dual-citizenship, and hasn’t been heard from since. All this talk portraying him as being a right-wing nutcase is disinformation designed to keep his disturbing comments from alarming the public

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/man-suspected-of-making-t_n_259330.html

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So, anyone feeling a rising sense of tension ala the 'bots' since Oct 25/26?


Here is another one to chew on:


BUCHAREST, Nov. 2 (Xinhua) -- Romania's Health Ministry Monday decided to place under quarantine all hospitals in the country, announced State Secretary Adrian Streinu-Cercel.


Hospitals under quarantine to prevent spread of swine flu
Mediafax

All Romanian hospitals were under quarantine in order to prevent the spread of swine flu, health authorities announced today (Mon).

A total of 128 new cases of swine flu have been registered in the last 72 hours, bringing the total number to 555, with no fatalities.

Health Ministry Secretary of State Adrian Streinu-Cercel said the measure to place all hospitals under quarantine translated into fewer patient visits and fewer medical staff.

The ministry will start distributing anti-viral medicines to the infections diseases units at county hospitals and assign 6.4 million lei (27 million lei) to hospitals in areas hit by the new flu for the purchase of surgical masks and disinfectant.

Streinu-Cercel also said Romania had 400,000 doses of anti-viral medicine and would soon purchase another 1,375,000 doses.

He added the ministry had scrapped plans to buy one million doses of swine-flu vaccine from foreign producers because they would have been ready only in the first quarter of 2010.

Romania will begin a vaccination campaign against swine flu on November 26/27 using vaccine produced by the Cantacuzino Institute.

The first 1.3 million doses will be given to medical staff and high school and university students in the eastern city of Iasi and capital city Bucharest.

Other doses of vaccine will be given to border police staff deployed mainly along Romania's border with Ukraine.


http://www.romaniantimes.at/news/Ge...er_quarantine_to_prevent_spread_of_swine_flu_

your right DS- the world has changed. I for one can feel it! thanks for your posts

I don't follow the bots. Not that I find anything critical to say about them, I just don't include them on my thoughts as part of the picture I generate in my mind of what the future will be.

Even without them, yes, I feel the tension. It's like the whole world is in a slingshot and about to be flung into the void...

Yesterday there was this article over at the newspaper in Turkey. I don't understand it, but it seems to fit. At the link there are links to four more articles with Roubini's opinions on IMF, commodities and stuff.

Renowned economist warns of ‘mother of all bubbles’
Monday, November 2, 2009
ISTANBUL - Hürriyet Daily News

Professor Nouriel Roubini says policy makers must take action on assets soon or risk a huge crunch. AFP photo

Recent rallies seen in equity and commodity prices are only in part due to improving macroeconomic fundamentals, warned Professor Nouriel Roubini in a column published on Sunday by the Financial Times.

According to Roubini, dubbed “Dr. Doom” for foreseeing the global financial crisis as early as 2006, “shorting a weak dollar in carry trades” has driven highly leveraged investments in all asset classes, creating a new – and potentially more dangerous – bubble.

“The longer and bigger the carry trades and the larger the asset bubble, the bigger the ensuing asset bubble crash,” Roubini said. “One day this bubble will burst, leading to the biggest coordinated asset bust ever.”

Given the near-zero interest rates in developed economies, shorting the U.S. dollar has led to “borrowing at a real interest rate of negative 10 to 20 percent annualized,” he said, adding the abundance of liquidity caused by “massive purchases of long-term debt instruments” and “massive government purchasing of assets such as the U.S. government’s $1.8 trillion purchase of Treasuries, mortgage-backed securities and agency debt.” Thus, the current rise in asset prices owes much to “excess liquidity and a massive carry trade,” he said.

“Every investor who plays this risky game looks like a genius – even if they are just riding a huge bubble financed by a large negative cost of borrowing – as the total returns have been in the 50-70 percent range since March,” said Roubini.

The New York University professor also warned about several factors that will precipitate “an eventual burst in the current carry trade bubble.”

“First, the dollar cannot fall forever and must eventually stabilize, at which point all investments backed by short-dollar funds will immediately plunge,” he said. “Second, volatility is bound to rise when government intervention stops, as the $1.8 trillion purchase plan is due to conclude next spring. Third, if the U.S. economy’s fundamentals start to see real growth in the third and fourth quarters, it is likely that the Federal Reserve will tighten interest rates earlier than expected. The fear of risk at this point would then cause a flight to dollar investment and a subsequent dollar rally.”

This fear would result in “a stampede,” he said in the Financial Times piece, as “closing long-leveraged risky asset positions across all asset classes funded by dollar shorts triggers a coordinated collapse of all those risky assets – equities, commodities, emerging markets asset classes and credit instruments.”

Roubini said if policy makers “do not change course soon,” such a collapse would have disastrous effects. “The longer they remain blind, the harder the markets will fall,” Roubini said.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n....s-of-8216mother-of-all-bubbles8217-2009-11-02

i wondered about the dot of CIT bank failure and why the US Gov didnt bail them out.
turns out they are the biggest financiers for Trains and Airplanes.

Somebody just killed transportation futures.........

Dragon Slayer,

It's certainly appears as though you're correct.

Things will sift out during the coming weeks and month to illustrate the point.

Notable shift.

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NC Susan:
Buffet just bought BNSF.
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSN0350100220091103

NEW YORK, Nov 3 (Reuters) - Moody's Investors Service said
on Tuesday that it may raise its ratings on Burlington Northern
Santa Fe Corp (BNI.N) after Berkshire Hathaway Inc
(BRKa.N)(BRKb.N) said it would acquire the company. Billionaire investor Warren Buffet's Berkshire said it
would acquire the nation's largest rail company for $44
billion, which includes all existing BNSF debt. Moody's said it may upgrade BNSF's senior unsecured debt
rating, which the agency now rates at Baa1.

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part of the rising tensions, and as a prep for what is coming:


most of this is 'old' news to some of US who have been following this all year, AND who have warned other members for years that there really ARE powerful people on this planet who would be more than happy to have the human race reduced by about 85%.

This is a Spanish doctor (who is a Nun). It is worth watching all 6 parts.

She goes over what has happened this year with Baxter (in parts of E. Europe they are calling the outbreak of the new, virulent, highly contagious flu the 'baxter flu') - the WHO - the amazingly prescient ability to call the new pandemic months before it was anything more than a hiccup - AND the vaccine.

Since an amazingly high number of members can't seem to recall what they read or posted about on TB two weeks ago let alone 8 months ago, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT REFRESHER AND COULD BE VITAL FOR WHAT IS COMING BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ&feature=related


yes, it does tie into how the world changed in the last week plus.

dragonslayer2001 said:

part of the rising tensions, and as a prep for what is coming:


most of this is 'old' news to some of US who have been following this all year, AND who have warned other members for years that there really ARE powerful people on this planet who would be more than happy to have the human race reduced by about 85%.

This is a Spanish doctor (who is a Nun). It is worth watching all 6 parts.

She goes over what has happened this year with Baxter (in parts of E. Europe they are calling the outbreak of the new, virulent, highly contagious flu the 'baxter flu') - the WHO - the amazingly prescient ability to call the new pandemic months before it was anything more than a hiccup - AND the vaccine.

Since an amazingly high number of members can't seem to recall what they read or posted about on TB two weeks ago let alone 8 months ago, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT REFRESHER AND COULD BE VITAL FOR WHAT IS COMING BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ&feature=related


yes, it does tie into how the world changed in the last week plus.

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Last year when it was discovered that Baxter Labs were responsible for mixing the deadly H5N1 bird flu in with the seasonal flu vaccine; and it was discovered because some ferrets died. This was suspose to have been a fail safe operation and should never have happened. I printed the article from I belive the Huffington post and when I went back to print another copy a couple of minutes later the article had been pulled. This all fits in with that.

Norma

Norma said:

Last year when it was discovered that Baxter Labs were responsible for mixing the deadly H5N1 bird flu in with the seasonal flu vaccine; and it was discovered because some ferrets died. This was suspose to have been a fail safe operation and should never have happened. I printed the article from I belive the Huffington post and when I went back to print another copy a couple of minutes later the article had been pulled. This all fits in with that.

Norma

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This is a long shot I know because old slue-foot himself is their boss, but is there no way these MURDERERS can be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity or something?
I know, I sound like I'm living in a comic-book or something and quite frankly I am beginning to think life is one hideous cartoon anymore being written and illustrated by a thousand madmen in an insane asylum...

Is what you stated FACT? Not that I doubt YOU or call YOU a liar, but I just want to know how baxter can deny it and get away with this crap and NOTHING is being done, and in fact they are being frickin REWARDED for it and COMPENSATED for killing and slaughtering and MUTILATING HUMAN BEINGS (not to mention poor little ferrets for God's sake).And what do WE do as a world FULL of people/victims as there are a heck of alot MORE of US than THEM....drag them out of their franken-labs and set them on fire? Inject THEM and THEIR families with their own evil sorceries?

Or do we just sit back and wait on Christ Jesus to come in with His sword riding His white horse? I say that SERIOUSLY and have NO intention of mocking the Saviour BTW...

But SOMETHING has GOT to be done and soon.
I have no answer, (well, I do but if I post it I have to wonder if I'll get the proverbial door broke down or be found hanging in a tree somewhere)...

But it seems if we could collectively come up with SOME WAY to MAKE them stop...

I know, I am but a mere dreamer. A dreamer who will one day wake up dead.

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Yes Vesper, it is all fact. It was all in the news from earlier this year. Suppressed in the US of course, but all reported in the world news.

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Ukraine: Influenza or Pneumonic Plague? The situation is getting worse and worse
Publication time: 2 November 2009, 21:37

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine".



The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".



It is also required to distribute masks at health facilities with 8 levels of protection and anti-plague protection costumes. There is also an informal order not to allow any visitors to see the patients.



According to the "Fraza" agency, "today in Ukraine pneumonic plague is going in parallel with swine flu. The plague has killed over 60 people, and about 14 from the flu.



Meanwhile, the press service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine reported that there is only one death from "California" virus A/N1N1 in Ukraine.



"In Ukraine there are 22 cases recorded of the virus A/N1N1 disease and there is only one fatal consequence as a result. All other cases of death from influenza has only a speculative attitude to "California" virus," press service reports.



The situation with the epidemic of influenza is a complex and unpredictable because of the propensity of influenza A/H1N1 virus to mutation, said First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets on Monday, November 2.



"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs.



At a press conference Lazoryshynets also said that there are 22 officially confirmed cases of influenza A/H1N1 in Ukraine.



First Vice Prime Minister Oleksandr Turchinov previously stated that as of Monday morning, November 2, there are 64 registered deaths in Ukraine from flu and acute respiratory viral infections.



Meantime, according to official information the highest level of epidemiological risk is declared in Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanislav) area, from 2 November. This decision was made by Ivano-Frankivsk Regional emergency epidemiological commission at the extended session on November 2.



In accordance with the Commission, quarantine will last for all educational institutions in the area until 20 November, a commission to monitor the distribution of medicines is also made, which come in the region as humanitarian aid.



The commission agreed that health workers will provide individual first aid kit. There will be extra transport allocated to visit patients by the district doctors.



According to the Ministry of Health, today in Ukraine there are 255 000 registered cases of influenza and SARS, of whom 15 000 were hospitalized.



Ministry of Transport and Communications of Ukraine introduced a permanent monitoring of the situation on a clear implementation of the planned anti-epidemic measures in public transport.



A special monitoring group studied the transport department on November 2, how the anti-epidemiological measures were applied at the Kiev railway station, central bus station of the capital and the International airport "Borispol".



Polish epidemiologists November 3 arrive in Ukraine for obtaining specimens from patients with the Ukrainians. The experts will arrive in Lviv, where it is supposed to take 190 samples.



Polish epidemiologists are expected to arrive in Ukraine on November 3 to obtain samples from patients. The experts will arrive in Lviv, where 190 samples are to be taken.



Lithuanian Foreign Ministry on November 2 recommended to the residents of Lithuania to refrain from unnecessary trips to the Ukraine.



Department of Monitoring,

Kavkaz Center

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2009/11/02/11155.shtml

Norma said:

Last year when it was discovered that Baxter Labs were responsible for mixing the deadly H5N1 bird flu in with the seasonal flu vaccine; and it was discovered because some ferrets died. This was suspose to have been a fail safe operation and should never have happened. I printed the article from I belive the Huffington post and when I went back to print another copy a couple of minutes later the article had been pulled. This all fits in with that.

Norma

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Here is a very interesting talk by a Spanish Nun who is also a physician. She talks about all of this, the ferrets and everything. It is an hour long and in subtitles so it takes concentration and time. I've only gotten to the first 21 minutes so far.

I thought this part was interesting:

I started the notes when she said that they (I forgot the name of the company) mixed the seasonal flu with H1N1 BECAUSE the seasonal flu is very contagious but not a high mortality rate, H1N1 is not as contagious as seasonal but has a high mortality rate. Insidious?

My comment: This week on the radio news I heard that there are NO cases of seasonal flu so far this year, every case is H1N1. My question is, HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT???? They don't test anyone.

Back to the nun's comments, she said that in May '09 W.H.O. changed the definition of the word 'pandemic'. The current (new) definition according to the British Medical Journal is, "An infection by an infectious agent simultaneously present in different countries at the same time and with a significant mortality ratio to the proportion of infected population into removing from the definition this mortality characteristic."

Therefore the new definition went to describe a pandemic as a simultaneous infection present in various countries and carrying an infectious agent showing any novelty characteristic thus leaving us unable to know the type of immunity present within the population. With this new definition, and it is a definition...I'm quoting from the "British Medical Journal" so I insist that all this information that I am giving doesn't come from the alternative press, for whom I have great respect, but I think it's important to know that all this information comes from the most prestigious magazines and absolutely "main stream", as they say in English, free from any possible suspicion of tendentiousness anyway.

...if the mortality requirement disappears from the definition of pandemic, as I said, then we should ask ourselves... well... what prevents the annual common flu from being declared a pandemic? And the answer is that with this definition in place nothing prevents it."

Then she goes into the political consequences which I haven't watched yet.

http://www.disinfo.com/2009/11/spanish-doctor-reveals-important-information-about-swine-flu/

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and now the mass shootings at the mil base, and word from the Ukraine that THREE diseases are rampaging, and one of them is a type of plague.


It is Nov 5th.


I'd call all of this since Oct 25/26 a 'hit' for the bots.


There has been a high level of rising tensions, and a 'context' change that took place. Particulars have not been particularly correct between the early bot projections last spring (Israeli military attack), but they called the DATES correct, well over half a year ago. As 'we' move closer to events, the bots get more definitive data - nor have the interpetation of coming events projected by Cliff at the beginning of October, been particularly correct.

and again, as I have stated here dozens of times for at least 5 years -

I don't have the greatest 'faith' in the interpetation of data from the raw data that the bots provide.

This particular point in time has ALSO been a period of 'high novelty' as per the Mckenna TimeWave Zero theory - to the week.

And also projected a very long time ago.


But, since the end of Oct and the Nov 5 date, we have had huge (and very dangerous) financial sea changes, and now, what is going to apparently be another sea change, involving American military. A huge 'context' change has indeed taken place in the time frame projected, a very long time ago.

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Ukraine's leading English-language newspaper since 1995

KyivPost


Update: more death, illness

Yesterday at 14:10 | (Wire reports) Ukraine’s Health Ministry on Nov. 5 said the death toll of patients with flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses (ARI) had jumped to 95.

Deputy Health Minister Zinoviy Mytnik said told journalists during a press briefing that a total of 633, 877 cases of flu-related and ARI have been registered from Oct. 29 through Nov. 5.

Mytnik said 15 of 31 patient samples sent to London for laboratory analysis tested positive for the H1N1, or swine flu, virus.

Meanwhile, over 600 medical workers in Kyiv have fallen sick with the flue and acute respiratory illnesses, according to Kyiv deputy Mayor Iryna Kilchitskaya, who on Nov. 5 told a daily Kyiv newspaper that 200 of the afflicted are doctors.

In a related story, Ihor Pokanevych, head of the WHO office in Kyiv, told Deutsche Welle on Nov. 5 that in Ukraine, as in the rest of the world, there will be three waves of the swine flu virus: the first – which Ukraine is experiencing now, the second – in the spring, and the third – during the autumn of 2010.

Pokanevych noted that the current pandemic is complicated to sort out because it involves three strains of flu virus: two seasonal strains [of the Brisbane] flu and the swine flu, which as a result could lead the virus to mutate into a still more virulent, new virus.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51972/



I fully expect a 'third' wave. However, I am expecting it much sooner than the autumn of 2010 (which, in my mind, would constitute a 'fourth' wave).



The 'bots' called for a fairly mild swine flu, and when that didn't panic the mass herd of the world into rushing out for vaccines, then a much deadlier one would be released. This was projected by the bots to be around the February timeframe. Some other member might recall it more concisely than I am at the moment.


The bots are not the end all and be all, but as this week has shown, and many times in the past, they somehow do have the ability to pick out trends and timelines correctly some of the time. On other occasions, they pick out very specific events/times correctly. And half the time they are dead wrong, and project much more momentuous events than actually occur.

If this plague continues to spread, and I think it will, then their projections of a very tense next two months will prove correct, and then a steep drop into yet another context change around/shortly after Christmas and the New Year.

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TIMEWAVE ZERO.



I know there are members here who follow Mckenna's work and have the software.


Is there another timewave zero 'novelty' change projected to occur in the Dec/Jan/Feb timeframe coming up?

But the key to all this is that the Commercial Real Estate Derivative market is now IMPLODING. Everyone talks about the imploding Credit Default Swaps at AIG...which were bad but they are dwarfed by the derivatives related to Commercial Real Estate.

The Commercial Real Estate derivatives are the largest and most structured of all the derivative products. Just look at this 2007 presentation at a Mortgage Bankers Conference and you can see the insanity of these structured products.

Click to expand...

Bottom line, the system is on the fast track to implosion.
Maybe 2 months to get it all together.... Can't see that we will get past stock earnings quarterly reports with the financial system intact as we know it...

bv

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Yes, I agree. I think about two months. If THESE flu's keep spreading, it could very well cause a shutdown of world trade, and that will hasten the end of the US dollar.


I came a cross some information that there is more than on flu/disease spreading in the States right now (no, not just the regular seasonal flu, something else - too bad the massive Flu thread on TB got 'bombed' with the attack that just took place - it might have been there).

If that is the case, then it is possible it is also here, and it has not reached critical mass yet.

What is happening with this flu is drawfing right now the financial news. It is all going to mesh together, and I think your timeframe will prove correct. Not that there will be a complete shutdown by Christmas, but that by that time many events here may reach critical mass and the real downward spiral may start.

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Admin is going to try and merge older database with the current one, so hopefully we will get the other threads and data back.


Lot's of good stuff there, and possibly "the" bit of info that scared someone enough to put a very concerted effort into shutting TB down and erasing whatever it was someone posted that wasn't quite ready for primetime.

However, BACK to the Commercial Real Estate crash:


http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_46/b4155042792563.htm


Why This Real Estate Bust Is Different
Unrealistic assumptions, layers of investors, sky-high prices, and possible fraud will make it hard to clean up the mess in commercial real estate By Mara Der Hovanesian and Dean Foust

This Issue

November 16, 2009

When Goldman Sachs (GS) sold complex bonds backed by the Arizona Grand Resort and other commercial properties in 2006, it suggested the returns would be strong. The 164-acre luxury Arizona Grand, set against the Sonoran Desert in Phoenix, boasted an award-winning golf course, deluxe spa, and several swank restaurants. The on-site water park was named one of the best in the country by the Travel Channel. With the resort's new owners planning to refurbish hotel rooms and common areas, Goldman told investors that the renovations would help boost cash flow.

As was so often the case during the real estate boom, the lofty projections didn't pan out. When the economy softened and business travel slumped, Arizona Grand's bookings slipped to 67%, from 80%. The resort defaulted on the $190 million underlying loan in 2009—a hit that alone could largely wipe out investors who bought the riskier pieces of the Goldman mortgage-backed securities deal.

"It's one of the largest losses we have forecasted for an individual loan," says Steve Kuritz, a senior vice-president at Realpoint, an independent credit-rating agency. The property, once valued at $246 million, is now worth just $93 million. A spokesman for Goldman says the pricing on the bonds was in line with market levels at the time and not above what investors could get on similar securities. Grossman Co. Properties, which owns Arizona Grand, didn't return calls for comment.

It would be easy to write off this blowup as just another casualty in the regular boom-and-bust cycle of the $6.4 trillion commercial real estate market. But the Goldman deal, with its unrealistic assumptions, multiple layers of investors, and stratospheric prices, helps illustrate why this downturn is more complicated than previous ones—and will turn out to be far costlier.

Already, prices have plunged 41% from the peak in 2007, according to Moody's/REAL Commercial Property Price Index—worse than the 30.5% fall in the housing market from its 2006 apex. "We've never seen this extreme a correction as far back as the data go, which is the late 1960s," says Neal Elkin, president of Real Estate Analytics, the research firm that created the index. Adds billionaire investor Wilbur Ross: "Commercial real estate has gone from being highly liquid at sky-high prices to being extremely illiquid at distressed prices."

To appreciate why this bust is like no other, first consider the typical commercial real estate downturns that used to crop up every 5 or 10 years. The pattern was predictable: When prices for apartment complexes, office buildings, shopping malls, and other properties began to rise, developers sped up their projects to cash in on the bull market. Eventually, some of those developers, unable to fill all the new space, began to default on their loans, and lenders were stuck with the buildings they'd financed. The slump lasted no longer than the time it took for the property glut to be worked down.

TURNING A BLIND EYE

But overbuilding isn't the culprit in this bust. An oversupply of money is what pushed commercial real estate over the edge.

It turns out the same excesses that drove the housing market's crazy rise and fall were present in commercial real estate, too—but they have largely gone unnoticed until now. Bankers, in their haste to make more and bigger loans, blindly accepted borrowers' wildest growth assumptions and readily overlooked other shortcomings on loan applications. They did so in part because they could easily sell their dubious loans to investors in the form of commercial mortgage-backed securities. As the market overheated, it became a breeding ground for fraud: A flurry of new court cases reveals the disturbing extent to which commercial mortgage borrowers may have doctored loan documents.


(considerably more if you follow the link -ds)