BRKG The Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate Is A Fake!

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 3, 2009

I started it here, so I guess I have to end it here!

From - http://www.tsrn.us/blog/2009/08/04/the-kenyan-obama-birth-registration-is-a-fake/

I believe the implication is that the purported Kenyan B.C. is drawn from this actual image of an Australian birth certificate.

The fake Obama B.C. is at - http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/03118509265

Someone noted that the dots and blur around the text on the Kenyan birth certificate indicated photoshopping.

I think they were right.

Look at the name similarities:

"G.F. Lavender" instead of "E.F. Lavender"

"J.H. Miller" instead of "M.H. Miller"

Same book: 44B, page 5733

Etc., etc.

I believe this was a somewhat sophisticated ruse maybe aimed to defame the 'Birthers'.

The site where the Australian birth certificate is posted is literally for genealogy of the Bomford family, so the odds that the Bomford birth certificate is the real deal is pretty much certain.

Here's a D.U. post that pointed to this image found via a Google image search:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8567425

This posting seems to be the original find: http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2099#p54695

Again, I think the real smoking gun uncovered by Orly Taitz, and this is something verifiable, is the issue of Obama's social security number(s):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2292857/posts

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2...ny-youtube-video-obama-felony-identity-theft/

And the more general concern is his background:

http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/what_barack_obama_learned_from.html

Housecarl · Aug 3, 2009

I thought that the image was a sample not the "actual" birth certificate from Kenya at that time?

duchess47 · Aug 3, 2009

I am still betting there is something to this. Way too much effort going into discrediting it IMHO.

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 3, 2009

Housecarl said:
I thought that the image was a sample not the "actual" birth certificate from Kenya at that time?

Look at the name similarities:

"G.F. Lavender" instead of "E.F. Lavender"

"J.H. Miller" instead of "M.H. Miller"

Same book: 44B, page 5733

Etc., etc.

The blurriness around the text of the purported Obama birth registration is from Photoshopping.

This was a somewhat sophisticated ruse maybe aimed to defame the 'Birthers'.

Y2kO · Aug 3, 2009

Phil Berg, attorney, made radio appearances on Sunday and Monday, saying that the experts he was consulting was saying the document was a fraud.

Orly Tatz, or whatever her name is, is running ahead of Berg, with trash lawsuits, to muddy the waters and make the American public think there is nothing to this issue -- as each of her suits is thrown out of court, or shown to be based on nothing. By contrast, Berg has seen several birth certificates and he has never posted any of them since they are all frauds.

However, I don't think this strategy is going to work. As the issue gains more publicity (and the economy continues to tank) and Obama seeks to hide his entire past from the American public, more and more the American people are going to demand answers.

Volleyball Granny · Aug 3, 2009

As I posted earlier...

...it doesn't matter if this particular BC is a fake. There is something there...or Obama wouldn't be spending millions of dollars hiding it. The social security numbers are definitely a problem--as is the fact that he claimed he never went by any name other than Barack H. Obama. Where is the shame in admitting that you went by your step-father's (or adopted father's) surname?

I'm thinking she must have something big or none of those military people would have joined a class-action suit. Perhaps she's using the political tactic of misdirection until she can get into court before a judge.

TECH32 · Aug 3, 2009

Something's not right here. If the one from Australia is the source (implied by the "44B, page 5733"), why was it folded in different places than the one on the Kenyan certificate? There's a fold through "Father" on the Australian one, but not the other. And on the Kenyan one, a fold near the right edge of the seal but not on the Australian one.

Why clean up the folds on one and then recreate them in different places on the other?

Also, the placement of the text is different. "E.F. Lavendar" appears in the middle of the box while "G.F." appears near the bottom. Same thing with "Male" for sex. In the Kenyan document it's near the bottom of the box but on the Australian one it's right in the middle.

Why change the placement of text in a forgery? Especially if it's text that's the same?

I don't know which is true, which is false (either? both?), but something's not right with the claim that the Australian one was used to create the Kenyan one...

TheSearcher · Aug 3, 2009

One thought, then I'm leaving it alone:

What if the South Australian BC is the fake?

fruit loop · Aug 3, 2009

Of course it was a hoax.

DUH..........

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 3, 2009

TheSearcher said:
One thought, then I'm leaving it alone:

What if the South Australian BC is the fake?

Given the higher quality resolution, this is doubtful. Look at how there is no blurring around the text of the Australian BC.

TheSearcher · Aug 3, 2009

TECH32 said:
Something's not right here. If the one from Australia is the source (implied by the "44B, page 5733"), why was it folded in different places than the one on the Kenyan certificate? There's a fold through "Father" on the Australian one, but not the other. And on the Kenyan one, a fold near the right edge of the seal but not on the Australian one.

Why clean up the folds on one and then recreate them in different places on the other?

Also, the placement of the text is different. "E.F. Lavendar" appears in the middle of the box while "G.F." appears near the bottom. Same thing with "Male" for sex. In the Kenyan document it's near the bottom of the box but on the Australian one it's right in the middle.

Why change the placement of text in a forgery? Especially if it's text that's the same?

I don't know which is true, which is false (either? both?), but something's not right with the claim that the Australian one was used to create the Kenyan one...

Glad to see another thinking as I am, Tech.

TheSearcher · Aug 3, 2009

Spirit Of Truth said:
Given the higher quality resolution, this is doubtful. Look at how there is no blurring around the text of the Australian BC.

Blurry images can be electronically sharpened. I'm not betting the farm on any of this, but we should try to think of everything.

TECH32 · Aug 3, 2009

TheSearcher said:
Glad to see another thinking as I am, Tech.

Yeah...look at the position of the periods for the name "J.H. Miller" over the word "District". They're in two different places.

Why would you change that??

Laurane · Aug 3, 2009

The word "Page" (referring to the number) is not in the same place on both Certs......down at the bottom.

This is the same wording and format which has appeared on B/Certs for decades.......nothing to read into it here.

Lavender and Miller are common enough names.

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 3, 2009

TheSearcher said:
Blurry images can be electronically sharpened. I'm not betting the farm on any of this, but we should try to think of everything.

I'll tell you what....if the Australian one is a Photoshopped version of the Kenyan one, then some VERY sophisticated image enhancers are involved in seeking to undermine the authenticity of the document that may or may not be in the hands of Orly Taitz. If she has the actual document, then the image of the Australian one above is just an amazing Photoshop rendition geared to make the case that what she has is doctored.

TECH32 · Aug 3, 2009

Laurane said:
The word "Page" (referring to the number) is not in the same place on both Certs......down at the bottom.

This is the same wording and format which has appeared on B/Certs for decades.......nothing to read into it here.

Lavender and Miller are common enough names.

Actually the whole last line is off ("Given under my hand..."). In the Australian one it's indented and on the Kenyan one it's not.

Very strange...

TheSearcher · Aug 3, 2009

Spirit Of Truth said:
I'll tell you what....if the Australian one is a Photoshopped version of the Kenyan one, then some VERY sophisticated image enhancers are involved in seeking to undermine the authenticity of the document that may or may not be in the hands of Orly Taitz. If she has the actual document, then the image of the Australian one above is just an amazing Photoshop rendition geared to make the case that what she has is doctored.

A person could have duplicated the form in it's entirety, with the new information and document formatting, printed it, even stamped it or faked a stamp. Then photographed it to give a very similar presentation visually as the Kenyan BC.

All I'm saying is we have even LESS pedigree on this Australian BC, and it is worth it to be careful. Your caution is not AT ALL misplaced, but be sure you don't take it so far that you don't examine the new evidence in a critical light.

The G.F. vs E.F. similarity is a red herring for sure, but I do not know in which direction it swims.

energy_wave · Aug 3, 2009

I am so confused. You birthers keep throwing this Birth Certificate in everyone's face as the real deal, well, it's not!

I could have told you that a thousand times but you would never hear a word of it. You are so convinced you got Obama by the short hairs, lol.

So, the next time one of these birth certificates surface, will anyone believe you?

You birthers have completely lost every shred of credibility, imo.

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 3, 2009

Here's the link to the original image:

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg

WHOOOPS! All gone.

The site is literally for genealogy of the Bomford family, so the odds that the Bomford birth certificate is the real deal is pretty much certain.

Here's the post that pointed to this image found via a Google image search:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8567425

The poster of that D.U. thread could well be involved in the creation of the fake B.C.

BoatGuy · Aug 3, 2009

dang... what a bummer. when we finally get the truth, one way or the other?

Laurane · Aug 3, 2009

Couple more things which differ......the word "District" starts a bit to the left of the large "R" in registration just above it.

There is a whole section missing from the Kenyan B/Cert - the line which requires the Signature of an Authorised person etc......it is on the Aust one but not the Kenyan one. What would be the purpose of omitting it??

TheSearcher · Aug 3, 2009

energy_wave said:
I am so confused.

Not surprised. You see a breathless pursuit of a windmill, or hope it is, and we won't make you happy by giving up. Sorry you can't get your way every time.

FWIW, this may not be it. The O might just have a valid BC out there somewhere, but that is not the point. The point is that he continues to shuck and jive and spend lots of money and time to avoid putting any of his records out there.

So it isn't just BC's, and people will keep looking.

energy_wave said:
You birthers have completely lost every shred of credibility, imo.

That's rather disingenous of you. I don't recall the BC issue ever having been of great credibility to you, so your opinion is somewhat worthless in this matter.

TheSearcher · Aug 3, 2009

Spirit Of Truth said:
Here's the link to the original image:

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg

The site is literally for geneology of the Bomford family, so the odds that the Bomford birth certificate is the real deal is pretty much certain.

Here's the post that pointed to this image found via a Google image search:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8567425

The poster of that D.U. thread could well be involved in the creation of the fake B.C.

That's better. Thanks, SoT. Please don't misunderstand, we need to be RIGHT not just EAGER, but we shouldn't let go too easily of data in hand until we're sure it's invalid.

ETA: I love some of the comments on the DU:

So, Obama Is Really Australian!!!! Yavin4 Aug-03-09 08:49 PM #15

Oh come on... Bicoastal Aug-03-09 08:54 PM #16

That would explain his basketball skills......

Y2kO · Aug 4, 2009

energy_wave said:
So, the next time one of these birth certificates surface, will anyone believe you?

You birthers have completely lost every shred of credibility, imo.

And that's exactly the purpose of this fraudulant birth certificate and this babbling woman. When the real truth comes out, will anybody still be listening?

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 4, 2009

Since the original image has been taken down, I'm attaching a copy to this post.

BTW, the site where the Australian birth certificate is posted is literally for genealogy of the Bomford family, so the odds that the Bomford birth certificate is the real deal is pretty much certain.

Here's a D.U. post that pointed to this image found via a Google image search:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8567425

This posting seems to be the original find: http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2099#p54695

Anchor · Aug 4, 2009

In the political wars, it would be smart for Obama operatives to put out a fake Kenyan BC that looks really authentic, get all the "birthers" on board with some kind of leader like Jerome Corsi (or someone) coming forward to confront Obama and other authorities with this piece of paper, then have it proven to be fake.

Then all the "birthers" who got behind look like fools and the whole issue is solved. Just my opinion. Can you say Dan Rather and the faked Guard records?

Heliobas Disciple · Aug 4, 2009

Your second link is also dead SOT.

Having not seen it, and going only by the posts here describing it - and going to the page where the image was supposed to be found at (image search shows the actual page)- I'd say if there is a fake one - the Australian document is it.

Here's why:

1. There are no images at all on the original document, no 'x'ed out box on the original document where an image may have been, no link to the image on the original document.

2. Very suspicious (and convenient) that it would be the first thing to show up on the google image search, when it's not on the original document and is now gone from google image search.

3. Someone from DU was the one who 'broke' the 'it's a fake and here's why' story, considering that in the past they have had a close relationship with the Obama camp if I'm remembering right (?)

4. from the descriptions here, one may have been copied from the other, but why does everyone assume it was Orly's copy that was the fake? based on a poster from DU? that's laughable.

5. I thought I read somewhere that this came from Alan Keyes. I also thought I read that in an election between keyes and obama, during a debate Keyes accused Obama of not being born in the US, so it would make sense that at that time Keyes had the document to prove it. If he had the copy all these years, he'd have it before anyone thought to go to Kenya and delete the copies there. If this is the case, the interesting question of course is why did he come forth with it now - and not months ago - or did he offer it months ago and was rejected by McCain and Clinton both?

6. I thought Orly had some sort of proof before filing it with the court. I'm guessing she did some authentication before it went that far considering how many fakes are floating around.

HD

SassyinAZ · Aug 4, 2009

energy_wave said:
I am so confused. You birthers keep throwing this Birth Certificate in everyone's face as the real deal, well, it's not!

I could have told you that a thousand times but you would never hear a word of it. You are so convinced you got Obama by the short hairs, lol.

So, the next time one of these birth certificates surface, will anyone believe you?

You birthers have completely lost every shred of credibility, imo.

That's BS, energy wave, the problem is there has been no verifiable documentation provided by BO to show that he meets the eligibility requirements of the Constitution.

Point the finger where the blame lies, with BO.

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 4, 2009

Heliobas Disciple said:
Your second link is also dead SOT.

Having not seen it, and going only by the posts here describing it - and going to the page where the image was supposed to be found at (image search shows the actual page)- I'd say if there is a fake one - the Australian document is it.

Here's why:

1. There are no images at all on the original document, no 'x'ed out box on the original document where an image may have been, no link to the image on the original document.

2. Very suspicious (and convenient) that it would be the first thing to show up on the google image search, when it's not on the original document and is now gone from google image search.

3. Someone from DU was the one who 'broke' the 'it's a fake and here's why' story, considering that in the past they have had a close relationship with the Obama camp if I'm remembering right (?)

4. from the descriptions here, one may have been copied from the other, but why does everyone assume it was Orly's copy that was the fake? based on a poster from DU? that's laughable.

5. I thought I read somewhere that this came from Alan Keyes. I also thought I read that in an election between keyes and obama, during a debate Keyes accused Obama of not being born in the US, so it would make sense that at that time Keyes had the document to prove it. If he had the copy all these years, he'd have it before anyone thought to go to Kenya and delete the copies there. If this is the case, the interesting question of course is why did he come forth with it now - and not months ago - or did he offer it months ago and was rejected by McCain and Clinton both?

6. I thought Orly had some sort of proof before filing it with the court. I'm guessing she did some authentication before it went that far considering how many fakes are floating around.

HD

There's a copy of the original image above in the initial post.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much a done deal in terms of establishing a fraud.

Housecarl · Aug 4, 2009

TheSearcher said:
Not surprised. You see a breathless pursuit of a windmill, or hope it is, and we won't make you happy by giving up. Sorry you can't get your way every time.

FWIW, this may not be it. The O might just have a valid BC out there somewhere, but that is not the point. The point is that he continues to shuck and jive and spend lots of money and time to avoid putting any of his records out there.

So it isn't just BC's, and people will keep looking.

That's rather disingenous of you. I don't recall the BC issue ever having been of great credibility to you, so your opinion is somewhat worthless in this matter.

+1 Searcher. This is the real issue, along with the admitted travel in his "autobiography" to Pakistan when it wasn't possible to go there on a U.S. passport, etc. The pursuit of "the birth certificate" really got legs when the Kenyan government deported a couple of investigators.

We've got smoke, we just don't know exactly what's burning and how much more can catch fire.

TJA · Aug 4, 2009

Actually from what I've seen in real life, pixelation around the text like that is not the result of a photoshop job but rather the result of a document being scanned.

Personally I doubt there's any real substance to this particular piece of paper regardless. It most likely is a hoax.

Still it shows that 'bama has a lot of issues that should have been investigated long ago. If he had gone through the same treatment and scrutiny that Palin had gone through we'd likely have President Hillary right now.

Heliobas Disciple · Aug 4, 2009

Spirit Of Truth said:
There's a copy of the original image above in the initial post.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much a done deal in terms of establishing a fraud.

Thanks I saw it after I posted and edited my post.

I disagree with your conclusion. If the Australian document is not copied from the Kenyan one, then the Kenyan one isn't copied from the Australian one. (besides which, if one is real and one is fake - why would you decide the fake was the Kenyan one?) More importantly - if neither is a copy of the other- that means both are authentic.

The folds do not match. That's the biggest give away.

The numbers in the top left corner are the form number - it is not a file number, there wouldn't be a file number for a certified copy. Have you ever asked for a certified copy of your birth certificate, marriage license or a death certificate of a loved one? The copy isn't filed anywhere it's just provided to you. (the original may be filed with a file number, but requests for certified copies are not filed).

Since both Australia and Kenya were British ruled, they'd use the same form, and it's possible even that Lavender was the registrar for births in all British territories (not sure why there's an E and a G).

I'm not buying this is a fake. I think the Obamabots are working overtime though to put it out there that it is. (not referring to you SOT, I'm referring to the DU people)

HD

ETA: SOT - do you know why there is no image on the original document from which the 'image shown' derived?
http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/treeconcise.htm
(which btw is now also offline? - and it was on line when I posted my last post 20 minutes ago. :whistle:

)

hmm..... post a fake picture from a legitimate site - get the word out that it's there and them quickly take the picture down, and then take the site itself down when people start realizing there's no picture on the original? Isn't that suspicious to you? It is to me.

TheSearcher · Aug 4, 2009

Housecarl said:
We've got smoke, we just don't know exactly what's burning and how much more can catch fire.

Now THAT is a great analogy!

Witness · Aug 4, 2009

TheSearcher said:
One thought, then I'm leaving it alone:

What if the South Australian BC is the fake?

That's what I was thinking.

Wardogs · Aug 4, 2009

Here's the full image from Bromford:

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg

The DU just had a thread suggesting members flood the internet with fake BC's in order to cause the birther's to look foolish... They have a copy of this with Prince Charles on it. The thread is here:

Make your own fake Kenyan birth certificate!
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/EarlG/143

Hmmmm....

wardogs

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 4, 2009

Heliobas Disciple said:
Thanks I saw it after I posted and edited my post.

I disagree with your conclusion. If the Australian document is not copied from the Kenyan one, then the Kenyan one isn't copied from the Australian one. If one is real and one is fake - why would you decide the fake was the Kenayn one? And if neither is a copy of the other- that means both are authentic.

The folds do not match. That's the biggest give away.

The numbers in the top left corner are the form number - it is not a file number, there wouldn't be a file number for a certified copy. Have you ever asked for a certified copy of your birth certificate, marriage license or a death certificate of a loved one? The copy isn't filed anywhere it's just provided to you. (the original may be filed with a file number, but requests for certified copies are not filed).

Since both Australia and Kenya were British ruled, they'd use the same form, and it's possible even that Lavender was the registrar for births in all British territories (not sure why there's an E and a G).

I'm not buying this is a fake. I think the Obamabots are working overtime though to put it out there that it is. (not referring to you SOT, I'm referring to the DU people)

HD

The Australian BC is an image from a genealogy site for the family to whom the BC belonged. They scanned in BCs as a matter of tracking their family tree. This was the original image. Whoever Photoshopped it into Obama's Kenyan BC did do an impressive job. But it's fraud nonetheless.

Laurane · Aug 4, 2009

"This is the real issue, along with the admitted travel in his "autobiography" to Pakistan when it wasn't possible to go there on a U.S. passport, etc"

It was possible to go to Pakistan on an American passport......the holder just had to obtain a Visa (in Karachi when he arrived - it was not easy to do though). There was a "travel advisory", a warning issued by the US .gov against going there, but it was not forbidden to do so.

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 4, 2009

Wardogs said:
Here's the full image from Bromford:

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg

The DU just had a thread suggesting members flood the internet with fake BC's in order to cause the birther's to look foolish...

Make your own fake Kenyan birth certificate!
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/EarlG/143

Hmmmm....

wardogs

What's amazing is whoever created the fake BC knew to alter the date to February 1964 because that was the only time a copy of the BC might have been requested for the purpose of Stanley Anne Dunham's divorce. Hence, it was plausible that a copy of the certificate was in U.S.-based court documents. This was a fairly sophisticated ruse.

Spirit Of Truth · Aug 4, 2009

Heliobas Disciple said:
Thanks I saw it after I posted and edited my post.

I disagree with your conclusion. If the Australian document is not copied from the Kenyan one, then the Kenyan one isn't copied from the Australian one. (besides which, if one is real and one is fake - why would you decide the fake was the Kenyan one?) More importantly - if neither is a copy of the other- that means both are authentic.

The folds do not match. That's the biggest give away.

The numbers in the top left corner are the form number - it is not a file number, there wouldn't be a file number for a certified copy. Have you ever asked for a certified copy of your birth certificate, marriage license or a death certificate of a loved one? The copy isn't filed anywhere it's just provided to you. (the original may be filed with a file number, but requests for certified copies are not filed).

Since both Australia and Kenya were British ruled, they'd use the same form, and it's possible even that Lavender was the registrar for births in all British territories (not sure why there's an E and a G).

I'm not buying this is a fake. I think the Obamabots are working overtime though to put it out there that it is. (not referring to you SOT, I'm referring to the DU people)

HD

ETA: SOT - do you know why there is no image on the original document from which the 'image shown' derived?
http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/treeconcise.htm
(which btw is now also offline? - and it was on line when I posted my last post 20 minutes ago. )

hmm..... post a fake picture from a legitimate site - get the word out that it's there and them quickly take the picture down, and then take the site itself down when people start realizing there's no picture on the original? Isn't that suspicious to you? It is to me.

I presume the links are broken because the site was getting overwhelmed with traffic so they took down the responsible files.

TheSearcher · Aug 4, 2009

Spirit Of Truth said:
The Australian BC is an image from a genealogy site for the family to whom the BC belonged. They scanned in BCs as a matter of tracking their family tree. This was the original image. Whoever Photoshopped it into Obama's Kenyan BC did do an impressive job. But it's fraud nonetheless.

There are more fish to fry, so it's best not to get too attached, but I think you're too eager to pronounce this a fraud. I understand you are sensitive to being made to look foolish, so I can't blame you either.

There is something off-the-bubble here, but I am not sure exactly what it is.

BRKG The Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate Is A Fake!

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