BRKG Barack Hussein Obama's KENYAN birth certificate

A buddy emailed this to me today:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/03118509265

Associated motion filed:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018712/03118509264

Do I personally believe this is authentic?

Not really....but it's possible.

Here's the main fly in the oinment for "Birthers" IMHO.

Two Hawaiian newspapers had birth announcements for Obama. I find it hard to believe that this could have been forged and, if he was born in Kenya, why would the family go through the trouble of getting newspaper birth announcements in Hawaii....they had no idea he'd be U.S. President someday:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2734

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Once again, I think the greater concern is Obama's communist family, friends and associates throughout his entire upbringing, education and career:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/what_barack_obama_learned_from.html

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UPDATES:

FreeRepublic analysis that lines up this birth certificate with Stanley Dunham's divorce case:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306640/posts

Yahoo Answers discussion - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090802084549AAN1xrc

Oh Boy!! I think this is IT!! I am so excited I don't know what to do! I believe this lawyer has done the impossible. Now what??

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

BORN IN THE USA?

Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?

Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa

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Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.

This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961

The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961

No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.

WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.

Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

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Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.

The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.

WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."

Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."

The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."

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WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

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brokenwings said:

Oh Boy!! I think this is IT!! I am so excited I don't know what to do! I believe this lawyer has done the impossible. Now what??

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Well....if the document is legitimate....civil war would be my best guess...

This went around over a month ago, when someone put a supposed birth cert up on eBay. It was debunked as a fraud then.

It probably is fake, but it goes to show that just because someone has a document it doesn't mean we should automatically assume it is valid. This works both ways.

fruit loop said:

This went around over a month ago, when someone put a supposed birth cert up on eBay. It was debunked as a fraud then.

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I thought an image of that doc was never provided?

You think these folk bought it?

Where's the debunk?

Spirit Of Truth said:

Do I personally believe this is authentic?

Not really....but it's possible.

Here's the main fly in the oinment for "Birthers" IMHO.

Two Hawaiian newspapers had birth announcements for Obama. I find it hard to believe that this could have been forged and, if he was born in Kenya, why would the family go through the trouble of getting newspaper birth announcements in Hawaii....they had no idea he'd be U.S. President someday:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2734

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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If you look close and note near the lower third of the birth certificate, it states that the fathers (the informent reporting) current reported residence is Honolulu, Hawaii.

The newspaper announcement only states that he was, in fact born, NOT where the birth took place.

I don't see a fly in the ointment there. Just looks like the father claimed current residence as honolulu, Hawaii

make sense?

I found an image of the fake ebay posting on ATS archives... It's different than this one, and more obviously fake. Especially since it has Dutch text in the background of the paper that supposedly reads "If you can read this, you've been duped" or something similar.

http://i32.tinypic.com/281blzk.jpg

"This document certifies and affirms that the registrant is a native born citizen of the Kenya Colony of THE UNITED KINGDOM, and is duly A SUBJECT OF HER MAJESTY QUEEN ELIZABETH II"

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so this registers Obama as a BRITISH CITIZEN!!!!

We have pretty much established that a fraud sits in the Oval Office.

My question is what are we gonna DO about it??

The answer is PROBABLY NOTHING!!

The Constitutional avenue, namely, Impeachment and Removal is currently closed.

That leaves only two other highly improbable options, both with a astronomical probability of failure: armed revolt and military coup.

Besides, both of the above will not achieve the desired result: restoration of the Union!!!

Secession of the various states has already been tried and we all know what kind of turmoil that caused.

In short, there's no CLEAN solution to the problem!!

Obama's mother got on a plane and few to Hawaii right after Obama was born, and applied for a testimonal Hawaian birth certificate.

Back then, Hawaii would issue a birth certificate based on nothing more than the testimony of a close relative.

THAT'S WHY OBAMA WILL NOT RELEASE HIS HAWAIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

It's going to have "based on testomony of mother" stamped on it!

That plus this and Obama is toast.

Today 02:16 PM
denfoote We have pretty much established that a fraud sits in the Oval Office.

My question is what are we gonna DO about it??

The answer is PROBABLY NOTHING!!

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Yup, prolly nothing!

Cuz if this is true than he is a British subject and I guess the Queen?/Crown?/whatever? would have his back right?

We *really* expect the confirmation hearings for Sotomeyor in the US Supreme Court to quicken in pace then, eh??

Well if it's a fake it looks to be a better fake than the one that was posted on his 'fight the smears' website from what I've read.

Spirit Of Truth said:

Do I personally believe this is authentic?

Not really....but it's possible.

Here's the main fly in the oinment for "Birthers" IMHO.

Two Hawaiian newspapers had birth announcements for Obama. I find it hard to believe that this could have been forged and, if he was born in Kenya, why would the family go through the trouble of getting newspaper birth announcements in Hawaii....they had no idea he'd be U.S. President someday:

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The Birth announcements were based on a testominal birth certificate issued purely based on the testomony of a close relative (his mother).

It can't be this simple,

Can it?

I looked at this and my jaw dropped to my knees! If this documentation is true, the man was not born here, his father was a Kenyan citizen, he's not eligible, thats it case closed. Vice President Biden needs to be sworn in as President and whatever is done to choose a vice president needs to be implemented.

I'm just not going to get excited at this point until its proven that this documentation is valid. If it is. God have mercy on us.

Holy sheep crap!

LONEWOLF said:

We *really* expect the confirmation hearings for Sotomeyor in the US Supreme Court to quicken in pace then, eh??

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Thats where a real crisis emerges; certainly his appointments would have to be invalid & vacated.

This certificate......

looks much more like my British Birth Cert.......makes sense as Kenya was part of the Commonwealth.

Mine is a bit longer (maybe 10 inches wide and 6 inches deep but lots of similarities.

"Two Hawaiian newspapers had birth announcements for Obama. I find it hard to believe that this could have been forged and, if he was born in Kenya, why would the family go through the trouble of getting newspaper birth announcements in Hawaii....they had no idea he'd be U.S. President someday"

If the insert in the newspaper was genuine, it was probably put in there by the grandparents, who knew one day that he would have to prove US citizenship. After all they were US citizens, their daughter was, so why not give him the benefit of that too.

Nothing to do with him becoming President at all......just get that citizenship - much more beneficial than British/Kenyan to someone who would probably return to USA at some point. Mexicans know this already.

CTFIREBATTCHIEF said:

I looked at this and my jaw dropped to my knees! If this documentation is true, the man was not born here, his father was a Kenyan citizen, he's not eligible, thats it case closed. Vice President Biden needs to be sworn in as President and whatever is done to choose a vice president needs to be implemented.

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There's a strong case to be made the Biden does NOT get to become President. He only became VP when Obama was sworn in as President. If Obama isn't eligible, then neither is Biden.

That leaves PELOSI as next in line.

Remember the old saying: Be careful what you wish for....

Regarding the birth announcements in the papers: I recall reading somewhere that, at the time, the STATE put those announcements in when a birth was registered, not the family.

fruit loop said:

This went around over a month ago, when someone put a supposed birth cert up on eBay. It was debunked as a fraud
then.

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This is new. Dr. Orly Taitz ESQ. is filing a motion to prove its authenticity. I never believed that Obama was born in Kenya but if this genuine, WOW!!! Lots of folks should go to prison for this. Treason indeed.

"the STATE put those announcements in when a birth was registered, not the family."

Even if the State of Hawaii put the announcements in the paper, the record they did it from was the registration, which can be done any time after the birth. And the newspaper may take up to a week to publish.

Kenya did not become a republic until December of 1964, after this purported birth certificate. Think about that for a bit.*







* Please do not construe anything in this comment as support for Obama or his policies, or as an opinion on his birthplace.

Yes A Big IF

Light said:

If you look close and note near the lower third of the birth certificate, it states that the fathers (the informent reporting) current reported residence is Honolulu, Hawaii.

The newspaper announcement only states that he was, in fact born, NOT where the birth took place.

I don't see a fly in the ointment there. Just looks like the father claimed current residence as honolulu, Hawaii

make sense?

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His Grandparents did that. If this is true, the Bamster was brought back to Hawaii; his Grandparents swore he was born there that is what a Hawaiian Cert of Live Birth is; one of 5 or 6 Birth Certificate that Hawaii has & then put out the announcements. Again, I never thought Obama was born in Kenya. My argument was that since his father was not a U.S. citizen when the Bamster was born, he is not a Natural Born Citizen & ineligible to be President. However, if this true & a big if, Wow

Maasai warriors

As much as I'd like it to be true, there's one fatal flaw in that document.

It was supposedly typed up on 17 February 1964.
But, the document itself says "Republic of Kenya". In February of 1964 no such entity existed. It (Kenya) declared its independence from the UK in December of 1963 and didn't declare itself a Republic until December of 1964. Soooo, why would a document, supposedly filed in February of 1964 use a term which wasn't in existence until December of that same year?

As I said, I'm no fan of the guy in any way whatsoever, but unfortunately, this document has about as much of a chance of being real as the CBS Bush document does.

Mr. Mason said:

The Birth announcements were based on a testominal birth certificate issued purely based on the testomony of a close relative (his mother).

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For the sake of the argument, let us take this to the next step.

Suppose my daughter were getting married to a boy from out of state. I would call the local newspaper and email them a photo and an announcement. In 1960, you would have called the information in to the paper.

Let's say this boy is a HS dropout, has been in jail off and on, and is a real punk. (Just for the record, over my dead body.)

I am embarrassed by his background, so I put in the paper that he is a graduated of Harvard. My friends see the announcement in the paper.

Does that mean he went to Harvard? No.

No one verifies the story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeWBCR-DsM&feature=related

No one verifies the story.
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So, are you suggesting that Obamas grandparents and/or mother were liars?

This is not an original......

this is a Copy of the Birth Certificate, something Obama purports to own with a "Live Cert of Birth".

This was issued as a copy of the ORIGINAL certificate which should be in the Coast County Vital records office.

Maybe the Motion to prove authenticity is documentation or a witness in that Office who has actually seen the "real" original.

Hope that person would have more to go on than the people who "witnessed" the B/Cert in Honolulu - having only seen the Cert of Live Birth.

And in that photo of the Masai, that sure looks like Obama campaigning (third from right) and about to shake hands.

Yes You Could Be Right

Fred said:

Kenya did not become a republic until December of 1964, after this purported birth certificate. Think about that for a bit.*







* Please do not construe anything in this comment as support for Obama or his policies, or as an opinion on his birthplace.

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If you are right then easy to prove it is a fake. Time will tell.

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skip1 said:

However, as proof another Birth Cert was shown...

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I don't understand what you mean by 'another.' That's the same one linked above.

This PDF file is a copy of the Constitution of the "Republic of Kenya" dated 1963

http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/Kenyan constitution amended 2008.pdf

So there could have been official documents in early 1964 issued in some areas. The date is not really a problem if the country was already referred to as a "Republic" in 1963.

Surely they can find other birth certificates from Kenya around the early part of 1964, to see if they all have "the Republic of Kenya" on them.

Seems like an easy solution.

Obama could end this himself if he simply requested a court order to open his mother's birth history from the HI hospital. The records would include the time she was admitted; what stage of labour she was in; what medications were given to her; and the APGAR score of the newborn. His weight, height, gender, the delivering doctor and the nursing staff present would also be in the record.

The ball has always been in his court. He only needs to release the information to the appropriate persons--not the general public.

Maureen

IceWave said:

As much as I'd like it to be true, there's one fatal flaw in that document.

It was supposedly typed up on 17 February 1964.
But, the document itself says "Republic of Kenya". In February of 1964 no such entity existed. It (Kenya) declared its independence from the UK in December of 1963 and didn't declare itself a Republic until December of 1964. Soooo, why would a document, supposedly filed in February of 1964 use a term which wasn't in existence until December of that same year?

As I said, I'm no fan of the guy in any way whatsoever, but unfortunately, this document has about as much of a chance of being real as the CBS Bush document does.

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Interesting, but according to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_House_Conferences_(Kenya)

The 1963 conference finalized constitutional arrangements for Kenya’s independence as a dominion, marking the end of more than 70 years of colonial rule.

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they would have already known they were going to be established as a Republic. Makes sense that documents of that time would reflect this....

Fred said:

Kenya did not become a republic until December of 1964, after this purported birth certificate. Think about that for a bit.*







* Please do not construe anything in this comment as support for Obama or his policies, or as an opinion on his birthplace.

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Fred,

All I can find is a "Republic was declared in 1964".

Where did you find "December 1964?"

Fisher

"So, are you suggesting that Obamas grandparents and/or mother were liars?"

Possibly......if there were something to gain. A little more input here which is quite interesting in its breakdown.

"On August 13, 1961, nine days after his birth, an Obama birth notice appears in two Honolulu newspapers. The Sunday Advertiser and the Star Bulletin announcements read, “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug 4.” The address listed in the notices is purportedly that of Ann Dunham’s parents. The place of birth is not indicated. Many argue that the newspaper birth notices prove Obama was born in Hawaii, others argue that they prove only that Obama’s mother, father, or grandparents placed the notice in the newspapers. (One individual who is familiar with Linotype machines used by newspapers in the 1960s argues that the spacing of the lines in the Obama birth notice suggests it is a forgery.) Current long-time (since before 1961) residents of nearby 6075 Kalanianaole Highway state that the residents of 6085 in 1961 were neither Obama and Dunham nor Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, but Orland and Thelma Lefforge. Regardless of where Obama was born, in late August of 1961 his mother was living in a Seattle apartment (516 13th Avenue E), ready to begin classes at the University of Washington. (The telephone book entry is “Obama Anna Mrs EA3-3348”) [362, 1902, 1908, 1909, 2655]"

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach...obama+birth+timeline&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca