ECON Brazil, Russia, India and China call for MULTIPOLAR, FAIRER World Order

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
For some background see:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=335425
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Sounds like they're saying they're having no part of the US/European "New World Order". :whistle:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6514737.ece
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Brazil, Russia, India and China form bloc to challenge US dominance
Tony Halpin in Yekaterinburg
June 17, 2009

With public hugs and backslaps among its leaders, a new political bloc was formed yesterday to challenge the global dominance of the United States.

The first summit of heads of state of the BRIC countries — Brazil, Russia, India and China — ended with a declaration calling for a “multipolar world order”, diplomatic code for a rejection of America’s position as the sole global superpower.

President Medvedev of Russia went further in a statement with his fellow leaders after the summit, saying that the BRIC countries wanted to “create the conditions for a fairer world order”. He described the meeting with President Lula da Silva of Brazil, the Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, and the Chinese President, Hu Jintao, as “an historic event”.

The BRIC bloc brings together four of the world’s largest emerging economies, representing 40 per cent of the world’s population and 15 per cent of global GDP. The leaders set out plans to co-operate on policies for tackling the global economic crisis at the next G20 summit in the US in September.

We are committed to advance the reform of international financial institutions so as to reflect changes in the world economy. The emerging and developing economies must have a greater voice,” they said.

The BRIC states also pledged to work together on political and economic issues such as energy and food security. Co-operation in science and education would promote “fundamental research and the development of advanced techologies”.

The declaration also satisfied a key Kremlin demand by calling for a “more diversified international monetary system”. President Medvedev is seeking to break the dominance of the US dollar in financial markets as the world’s leading reserve currency.

He favours the establishment of more regional reserve currencies, including the Russian rouble and the Chinese yuan, to prevent economic shocks. Mr Medvedev said: “The existing set of reserve currencies, including the US dollar, have failed to perform their functions.”

The declaration made no specific mention of the dollar, an indication of China’s reservations about the Russian idea. Beijing holds almost $2 trillion in foreign currency reserves and a large portion of US debt.

The BRIC summit coincided with a two-day meeting of the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation (SCO) in Yekaterinburg, which further underlined the determination of Moscow and Beijing to assert themselves against the West.

The SCO comprises Russia, China and the Central Asian states of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Iran, Pakistan, India and Mongolia have observer status and President Karzai of Afghanistan attended the summit as a guest.

Iran’s embattled President, Mahmoud Amadinejad, defied protests at home to attend the conference, where he hit out at the US and declared that the “international capitalist order is retreating”. But he beat a swift retreat from the summit just hours after arriving, cancelling a planned press conference to return to the crisis in his country.

China pledged $10 billion in loans to Central Asian countries struggling in the economic crisis, adding financial muscle to its leading role in the SCO. Russia and China regard the organisation as a means to restrict US influence in their Central Asian “back yard”.

Mr Medvedev held separate meetings about the situation in Afganistan with President Karzai and President Zardari of Pakistan, a clear signal to President Obama not to ignore Russian interests as he presses US policy in the region in the fight against the Taleban.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Unlike Russia, Brazil is using the term "New World Order" and since he's talking about widening the powers of the UN - I think he's talking about the NWO we're familiar with.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.db1c3a82d0827b5cdf05eea3ba146af8.511&show_article=1
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Time for 'new world order': Brazilian President
Jun 17 11:45 AM US/Eastern

The global financial crisis has reduced the differences between nations and created the opportunity to form a new world order, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said Wednesday.

Speaking after a meeting with Kazakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev in the Kazakh capital Astana, Lula called on the global community to seize on the crisis to create a fairer world for developing nations.

"I want to say that before the crisis, there were many countries which had greater significance than others, and some countries which had no significance at all," he said through a translator.

"After the crisis, everyone has become similar. We have the possibility to create a new world order and together we should improve our relations."

Lula arrived in Kazakhstan Wednesday following the first-ever summit between fellow developing economic powerhouses Russia, India and China -- together with Brazil dubbed the BRIC nations -- in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg.

Nazarbayev, head of Central Asia's largest economy, is keen to secure a larger role for his government in world affairs.

Following up on Lula's call, the pair said in a statement following their meeting that the United Nations should open up the UN Security Council to developing nations in an effort to bolster global security.

They said that opening the organisation, which only has five permanent members, to wider membership was the only way to make the often-criticised body "more legitimate and effective."
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
For some background see:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=335425
ALERT The American Empire is Bankrupt



Sounds like they're saying they're having no part of the US/European "New World Order". :whistle:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6514737.ece
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The masks are coming off. This, of course, was why the U.S. was not invited to the meeting. We need to man up here and take control of ourselves, and stop our internal slide NOW. The external forces are mashalling against us, and we need to be in a more effective posture.

Notice, too, from a propaganda perspective, how Brazil is mentioned FIRST in the list of countries...
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Notice, too, from a propaganda perspective, how Brazil is mentioned FIRST in the list of countries...

Russia and China are being gracious, because they haven't yet worked out where the new pole will be. It won't be the US and it won't be Brazil.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Russia and China are being gracious, because they haven't yet worked out where the new pole will be. It won't be the US and it won't be Brazil.

Hm. Yeahsureyabetcha.

This is damn serious. All of you folks pooh-poohing the concept of a Soviet Union playing possum, and working behind the scenes to undermine this country, think real hard on this bit of history.

We are in real danger of being shut out, and it is something planned LONG ago.

We have been dumbed down, polluted, and deluded per the goals of the Communist party as described TO CONGRESS many years ago. This has distilled the collective madness to the point that we have liberal control of our legislative branch and MARXIST control of the executive, with a Judicial branch too afraid to step up to the plate to reign either of the other branches in. We are weak and nationally injured - the blood is in the water.

This country, and the West in general, is in mortal peril.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Russia and China and India are in the running, in their view, and Brazil is just a colony where they'll get resources.

+100 on Brazil just being a colony where they'll just get resources. Iran too (oil).

I don't think India is in the running though for any sort of leadership position.

It's between China and Russia, and who knows, maybe they'll start out by sharing it.

HD
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Did you think I was joking?

Russia and China and India are in the running, in their view, and Brazil is just a colony where they'll get resources.

Yes, I realize you're serious. Sorry for the confusion.

And I agree with your estimate of the hierarchy.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
The masks are coming off. This, of course, was why the U.S. was not invited to the meeting. We need to man up here and take control of ourselves, and stop our internal slide NOW. The external forces are mashalling against us, and we need to be in a more effective posture.

Notice, too, from a propaganda perspective, how Brazil is mentioned FIRST in the list of countries...
The pawns are moving into their places. I've been wondering if obama's out of country visits were to set this up, he can play possum and victim regarding the globalist chess game and come out with little damage to his aura keeping his adoring obots in place.

China will be the one most likely to gain control of the global scene, they're smarter and more patient than Russia, and in manpower can crush the Russians.

The only way we can stop our internal slide is to remove the offenders from office. There are far more of us than there are of them and they know it-if they can just take our guns they'll feel a lot safer. China keeps one soldier with a gun for every 50 citizens, so controlling us after disarmament is relatively easy and casualties are welcome.

Impeach and replace all branches of the .gov, abolish the fed. It's the only answer I can come up with that would work other wise it's more of the same rapid descent into hell.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
The pawns are moving into their places. I've been wondering if obama's out of country visits were to set this up, he can play possum and victim regarding the globalist chess game and come out with little damage to his aura keeping his adoring obots in place.

So far, I'm not ascribing malice aforethought to Obama on this - I don't think he's smart enough. I think he's playing checkers badly, and they're playing chess at a master level. He's being outmaneuvered at every turn, and probably doesn't even see it coming. He's too busy trying to make nice to everyone. jmho.

As for his puppet masters, I think they have been playing chess, but their queen is gone and their king will be in jeopardy in only about 2 or 3 more moves.

HD
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
So is this the New NWO, NWO lite or "I can't believe its not NWO" :shr:

Isn't Russia letting India borrow one of its Nuke sub's, the one that had the gas leak,
 

dero50

Veteran Member
They can't start the NWO with BHO! That'll really hurt his feelings, Isn't he King of the World. At least, that's what the press says. :kaid:
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No one knows who is playing with who and we shouldn't care. All we should be concerned with is America and Americans. We need to be getting back to work, starting quality production, and TAKING OUT THE TRASH. Anyone comes around with a list of demands, send them to a fema camp.

Everyone is fair game and fair competition. WE NEED TO PRODUCE, SAVE, NOT BORROW. Production is not Monday night football or American Idol. ITS MANUFACTURING. Baby doll dresses to PC chips. We need to make it all. Work 3 jobs, take zero vacations, move your entire family back under one roof if need be. Protect our borders, don't let ANY immigrants in until we are strong again.

The rest of the world is as good as us now and in many cases better. At least they have money. Ours was stolen by criminals. Suck it up, get back to work, and don't ever let this happen again.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Earlier article about the conference, from June 15th.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/world_agenda/article6504272.ece
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World Agenda: Looking to the future without the West
June 15, 2009

In the place where Europe slides into Asia, the world without the West is gathering to flex its political and economic muscles.

The Bric nations — Brazil, Russia, India and China — and the members of the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation (SCO) are attending simultaneous summits for the first time. The meetings, in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg, give a glimpse of the globe tilting east and south in coming decades, away from the traditional dominance of the United States and Europe.

For advocates of the inevitable triumph of liberal democracy, this is a depressing prospect. Brazil and India are thriving democracies but the prime characteristic of most of the governments gathered here in the Urals is authoritarian, often of the ugliest variety. Apart from China and Russia, the SCO comprises the former Soviet states of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. President Ahmadinejad of Iran, busy crushing protest over his “landslide” re-election, has observer status, along with India, Pakistan and Mongolia. President Karzai of Afghanistan will also be present.

Almost half the world’s population is represented by the two organisations and a growing proportion of global GDP. This is the first summit of heads of state of the Bric countries, whose increasing economic clout has merely been dented by the financial crisis compared with the battering endured by the US and the European Union.

If geography largely unites these countries (with the obvious exception of Brazil), it is much harder to say whether they have common agendas. China and Russia certainly regard the SCO as a means to shut the US out of Central Asia, their shared “back yard”, but both are rivals for access to the region’s vast energy resources.

They view the SCO as a potential counterweight to Nato, in political terms at least, but the mechanisms do not exist for a projection of serious co-ordinated military power across the region — even if they could agree on an objective. Russia, which holds the SCO’s rotating presidency, is pressing a security agenda to counter threats from terrorism, particularly Islamic extremism, and drug trafficking from Afghanistan.

The Bric states are determined to break up the cosy club of the G8 economies. Celso Amorim, Brazil’s Foreign Minister, declared the death of the G8 in Paris last week, saying: “It doesn’t represent anything any more.”

Talk of supplanting the dollar as the global reserve currency with regional alternatives such as the Chinese yuan or the Russian rouble is still far from practical. But it is no longer unthinkable, a measure of how much the global architecture is shifting.

Russia craves the restoration of its international status as the dominant power in the former Soviet region and through its leadership with China in the two organisations. The former Communist rivals have never been on better terms, evidenced by booming trade and a state visit to Moscow by President Hu immediately after the two summits.

Whatever the hurdles to co-ordinated action by the countries gathered in Yekaterinburg, the model of authoritarian prosperity espoused by many members of the two blocs is a challenge to Western notions of progress. The US and the EU can only watch, uninvited, from outside as these powers of the non-Western world debate their visions of the political and economic future.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
ANOTHER Asian group meeting to discuss how they can work together economically.

http://www.latimes.com/business/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-as-asia-world-economy,0,6026398.story
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Financial crisis seen increasing Asia's global role, business leaders say
KELLY OLSEN
11:58 PM PDT, June 17, 2009


SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Asia's power is likely to grow in the wake of the global financial crisis and the region has the chance to take a position of leadership in the world economy, business and economic leaders said Thursday.

The comments came at the annual World Economic Forum on East Asia, a gathering of business and government leaders taking place this year in Seoul.

"There is no doubt that the crisis has accelerated the shift in economic power from the West towards Asia," Peter Sands, group CEO of Standard Chartered Bank, told a symposium. "And Asia in a sense needs to step up now and play the role that such power brings."

He said that entails taking a much more active role in international institutions such as the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, a development he said is "in progress."

Rajat M. Nag, managing director-general at the Asian Development Bank, said one way Asia can lead is by changing its economic model, which means shifting away from being a producer for the world toward being a producer for itself as well.

"Asia has to start on a very different growth pattern," he said. "This means that Asia will have to rebalance the sources of its growth more towards the domestic and regional demand without turning its back on globalization."

Asia's role in the Group of 20 major industrialized and developing economies was also a theme of discussion.

Heizo Takenaka, director of the Global Security Research Institute at Tokyo's Keio University and a former Japanese internal affairs minister, predicted that the G-20 was destined to supplant the Group of Eight nations as the leading global economic grouping.

Takenaka said he expects this year's G-8 summit in Italy to be "the last one in history."

Kiat Sittheeamorn, trade representative at the office of Thailand's prime minister, said, however, that the G-20 must live up to its words, especially about protectionism.

He said that though the G-20 has called for countries to resist the temptation to implement protectionist measures, the reality has been different.

Kiat said that 17 of the 20 members had imposed 47 protectionist steps, including farm measures and export refunds, since summit meetings in November and April.

"If all countries that participated in that kind of meeting do not walk the talk, do not really do what they preach, then we have a significant problem," he said.

South Korean Deputy Trade Minister Ahn Ho-young said the G-20 is already proving its effectiveness as signs are emerging that the global economy is showing signs of recovery, or so-called green shoots.

"The fact that we are beginning to see the green shoots of recovery in just nine months' time, I think it says something about" the cooperation taking place in the G-20, he said.

The ADB's Nag said that Asia must address what he called "some of its very serious governance issues," including corruption, if it is to truly become a global leader.

"Without that the G-20 structure ... is not going to fulfill its potential and Asia will not achieve its destiny at the table of nations," he said.

He expressed confidence, however, that the region will succeed in helping ignite the global economy.

"Asia will lead the way out for the rest of the world," he said, citing the ADB's projection that the region, excluding Japan, Australia and New Zealand, will grow about 6 percent in 2010, up from a projected 3.4 percent this year.


http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2009/06/18/0200000000AEN20090618004800320.HTML
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Asia should create monetary fund, S. Korea's business chief says
By Kim Deok-hyun
2009/06/18 14:25 KST


SEOUL, June 18 (Yonhap) -- Thirteen East and Southeast Asian countries must create a regional monetary fund to shield themselves from the possibility of another global financial crisis, the head of South Korea's biggest business lobby said Thursday.

Cho Suck-rai, chairman of the Federation of Korean Industries, also suggested that the 10-member Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) along with South Korea, China and Japan should form an economic bloc to reshape their export-dependent economic models.

"Asian nations have become the biggest scapegoat for the current global financial crisis, though they have made few missteps in terms of economic policy," Cho said at the World Economic Forum on East Asia.


http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2009/06/18/0200000000AEN20090618004000320.HTML
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(LEAD) U.S. dollar's supremacy under 'slow-burning fuse,' economist says
By Kim Deok-hyun
2009/06/18 13:48 KST


SEOUL, June 18 (Yonhap) -- The U.S. dollar's supremacy as the world's reserve currency is facing profound challenges as the balance of economic and financial power is shifting from the West to the East in the wake of the current global economic crisis, an economist said Thursday.

"There is a slow-burning fuse underneath the dollar," said Gerard Lyons, chief economist at Standard Chartered Bank, at the World Economic Forum on East Asia being held in Seoul.
 

BoatGuy

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Get ready to see the dollar eat it, big time, and in the near future. China fired an opening salvo, just the other day, when they sold off a small percentage of their holdings. The new battlefield for national supremacy is the economy, and China is in a position to do us great harm, and in a hurry.
 
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