ALERT Swine Flu MSM Commentary--Post Here

TIK

Inactive
I had a swell idea hit me tonight amongst my travels in the fair land of North Orange County, California with KFI 640AM keeping me company. The 7-10pm guy, Bryan Suits, and his newsman side kick Aaron Bender, were telling people, SERIOUSLY, in Los Angeles County, "...whatever you do, STAY AWAY FROM HOSPITAL ER'S!!!" Now think about this for a second...this is KFI, I think the top rated radio station in the 2nd largest radio market in the world...and he said that. That has some weight, yes? But then...as if THAT wasn't enough, he went on to say, quite seriously, that it was time to think about not going out much anymore until this thing blows over--stay in, don't go to concerts, ball games, the movies, the mall--and a chill went up my back. This is VERY DEFINITELY MAIN STREAM MEDIA with KFI and if these guys are trumpeting this...and they both were thinking (sounding like they HADN'T read the latest updates) that "containment was probably not going to happen", and started to talk about how the 1918 flu hit southern California...

Scary stuff--and my pucker factor is at a 9. We just updated our perishable, 3 month food supply and we have enough water for an extended quarantine as well. I'm taking this seriously--and putting my preps knowledge into play NOW.

Please use this thread if you so feel like it to list any anecdotal "stuff" you here from your particular MSM sources...I don't care if it's someone famous like Beck or your local hometown person. Let's get a barometer going on how this is being taken.

And if you are a prepper....TIME TO PUT UP AND GET READY...just in case.

This is not panic.

This is PREPAREDNESS.
 

momof23goats

Deceased
sure is. i am thinking I am going to the grocery store tomorrow, to get a few more of those 5 gallon water jugs, they sell for their artisan water that theysell. and bring them home, for just in case.
 

Amelia

CheekyMonkey
OH

CRAP.



MSM? Advice to self-quarantine?

So not good... Not so good at all.

So you'll know, Once the "officials" start making releases, you'll know the shift because they have a "standard messages" book where nearly everything is scripted, and you WILL be able to tell the difference...
 

TIK

Inactive
OH

CRAP.


MSM? Advice to self-quarantine?

So not good... Not so good at all.

So you'll know, Once the "officials" start making releases, you'll know the shift because they have a "standard messages" book where nearly everything is scripted, and you WILL be able to tell the difference...

Great point...this is why I brought up my example from KFI radio from last night. NOT part of the play book in my humble estimation.
 

tansau

Contributing Member
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/8018428.stm

Readers in Mexico have been emailing the BBC describing the sense of fear gripping the country as a result of a flu virus outbreak, which has so far claimed up to 60 lives.

The World Health Organization says the virus has the potential to become a pandemic.

Read a selection of BBC readers' comments below.

I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from "under control". As a doctor, I realise that the media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were killed by this new virus in less than six days even though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths is 20, nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I understand that we must avoid to panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths.
-- Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City

The situation in Mexico City is really not normal. There is a sense of uncertainty that borders on paranoid behaviour in some cases. At this very moment, Mexican TV is showing how military forces are giving masks to the people in the streets. Moreover the news is sending alarming messages for the audience. Really, the atmosphere in the city is unsettling, a good example: pubs and concerts are being closed or cancelled and people don't haven thorough information. In this city (and country) there is an urgent need for assertive information, no paranoid messages from the government or the Mexican media.
-- Patricio Barrientos and Aranzazu Nuñez, Mexico City

Massive events have been cancelled at the National Auditorium - Mexico City's largest indoor venue with capacity of 10,000 - which has been closed. Two soccer games have been cancelled at the Olympic Stadium. A sold out game with 70,000 expected attendance will be played behind closed doors. Another game at the famous Azteca Stadium that would draw an attendance of 50,000 will also be played behind closed doors.
-- Juan Carlos Leon Calderon, Mexico City

It's eerily quiet here in the capital. Lots of people with masks, Facebook communities exchanging gallows humour, everybody waiting to see if schools and universities will stay closed for ten days (as goes the rumour). All masks have been used up, and we are waiting for new supplies.
-- Dr Duncan Wood, Mexico City

We will be sick soon and, well, do the math - 400 can infect at least another two per day
-- Adriana, Mexico City

Yesterday in my office it was a bit surreal walking in to see all in blue masks with deep cleansing of computer equipment and surfaces going on. Let's hope it is contained and does not escalate. The local news is reporting 200 fatalities and reports of flu spreading from areas outside of Mexico City. Given the volume of daily commuter traffic on cramped busses and trains, this may not have to be too virulent to be disastrous in human terms. I wonder what controls there will be on flights in and out.
-- Will Shea, Mexico City

I work for the government as a head of a computer infrastructure operations department. At work we are doing several actions to try not to expose workers. We sent several home. I support the Pumas football team and the very important match with the Guadalajara team will be played behind closed doors. My family and I are going to stay home all weekend. We feel a little scared and confused with the feeling that we are not given being told the truth. Many people think the numbers of dead people is higher than we are being told.
-- Marcos, Mexico City

The whole city is affected, I have a very bad feeling about this. Two of my friends at work are sick, they were sick for a couple of days, they went to the hospital and they sent them back to work. The doctor told them it was just a flu until Friday when the alarm was spread, then they were allowed to go home. I work in a call centre and I'm worried because there are no windows in the building so it cannot be ventilated and around 400 people work there.

We all have talked to our supervisor but no one has done anything not even sterilise or disinfect the area. We will be sick soon and, well, do the math - 400 can infect at least another two per day. The authorities say there's nothing they can do since it's a private company and I can assure you, the company I work for is not the only one like this in the whole city. Us workers don't have much protection from our government and if we want to keep our jobs we have to go anyway.
-- Adriana, Mexico City

I'm a college student in Mexico City, and I can only say that the information that the media has provided doesn't seem to be enough, we do not now how serious it is because they have failed to mention it. There have been two ways of responding to this event, the ones that have entered themselves into quarantine claiming that the government is hiding something much more serious, and those who take this as a joke saying that everyone is overreacting. To put a cherry on top all kind of crazy rumours are flying around - that they are going to quarantine Mexico City, that a school and some specific branches of offices and jobs are going to be suspended for days to come, and so on. I wish more info was available, for example how to prevent it? Have there been many deaths? Is there a threat of an epidemic?
-- Mari A, Mexico City

I didn't hear about the flu epidemic until last night at 2330. Yesterday the streets were almost empty compared to a normal Friday afternoon. The media is bombarding the same information over and over again, but the authorities haven't said anything new yet, only that they have enough vaccines for those with the flu and that we should avoid public spaces.
-- Paulina, Mexico City
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
WOW!!! Good thread!

People in Mexico City saying 200 have died from this flu! And we're being told by the media it's only 60!!

This is really scarey, but I'm NOT surprised. Don't want to panic the sheeple or give them time to get supplies.:eek:


And why are the Mexico City people emailing the BBC and not the US. Maybe because they know the info will not get out if they tell the media in the US?
 

NoName

Veteran Member
Nothing heard (San Antonio) since I posted the article from the local paper here on the 23rd...though I did notice yesterday at work that the hospitals were calling for immunization info on our patients, they have never done that before.
 

Kritter

The one and only...
From what I understand..even though there have been a few diagnosed or possibly diagnosed cases in the US..no one in this country has died from this. Could this just be a matter of access to better medical care?
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
This is going to take some time to develop, if it does. They will continue to downplay it and minimize it until they are no longer able to hide it. In the meantime this story will get a lot more local play in areas where the admitted infections are showing up. I imagine all the state and local health departments are getting better information then will be made public.

At this point those who do not have the basics in the way of self aid medical equipment and supplies better get them while they can. When people start to freak all the basics will be purchased in a matter of hours. I would at least have a few tyvek suits, masks and sanitation equipment on hand. Make sure you have several gallons of bleach on hand as well to purify surfaces. Also enough food and water to stay for an indefinate period of time indoors or in your general area.

My gut feeling on this is it will be localized and blow over in a few weeks for this season. If it continues to mutate and go the way of other pandemics the first round isn't that bad. It's the following year or two that are real killers. Don't panic....just be prepared.
 

sherbar92

Generally warm and fuzzy
From what I understand..even though there have been a few diagnosed or possibly diagnosed cases in the US..no one in this country has died from this. Could this just be a matter of access to better medical care?

Last night in perusing the CDC info, I noticed that one of the facts released is that concurrent bacterial respiratory infection with this flu is a big concern.

Here in the US, it is fairly common that if a patient goes to the doctor for respiratory illness, they often still give patients a prophylactic antibiotic even if they suspect it's just a cold or mild flu. It's done so bacterial infection doesn't have a chance to set in on top of the viral, although the practice is somewhat controversial due to increasing antibiotic resistance.

I do not know if the practice of prophylactic antibiotic dosing in cold/mild flu cases is standard procedure in Mexico.

If it is not common practice in Mexico, that might be a contributing factor in the differences between the US/Mexico cases thus far.
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks TIK. I listen to KFI all the time but not during the evening hours. They'll report what most radio stations don't.

tansau's post is freakin' me out. THAT is what is happening in a large, large city. We're hearing about isolated cases in smaller areas so far here in the US. That is, except for the case of that school in NY.

It looks like this "thing" really takes off quickly in large population areas.

Mike
 

Amelia

CheekyMonkey
Just on Fox: A CDC official just announced unequivocally that this flu has spread "widely" and

Cannot be contained. (Ref Tik's OP, first paragraph...)


It's definite; it's out.



As to why the US hasn't been affected as much as Mexico - since the likely vector is in Mexico, because it's not as widespread here now doesn't mean it won't be.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
People in Mexico City saying 200 have died from this flu! And we're being told by the media it's only 60!!

This is really scarey, but I'm NOT surprised. Don't want to panic the sheeple or give them time to get supplies.:eek:

Any number might have died from it, but only those who have had samples tested have definitively died from it. It takes a day or two to get results from regional laboratories and they will now suffer from log-jams as every suspicious sample piles up.

Right now is when we would like the clearest possible information and are least likely to get it. The rumor mill works overtime under those conditions.
 

Lee Penn

Inactive
San Jose Merc News today: "Bay Area health officials brace for deadly swine flu"

The San Jose CA Mercury News had the swine flu as the lead story on the front page this AM. The hard copy was in 72-point type, and said "Valley health official brace for deadly swine flu".

And the same is true for their on-line coverage:

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12220648?nclick_check=1

Here is the headline and the first 2 grafs:

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Bay Area health officials brace for deadly swine flu that has killed at least 20 in Mexico

By Mike Swift
Mercury News

Concerned that the Bay Area's global connections put the region at higher risk of a new strain of deadly swine flu, local public health officials on Friday advised people with flu-like symptoms to stay home and call a doctor, and asked hospitals and physicians to increase their surveillance for the new virus.

The flu has killed at least 20 people, and sickened hundreds more, in Mexico, but public health officials know of no cases in Northern California. Still, Santa Clara and San Mateo County activated their emergency operations centers Friday afternoon and began contacting medical providers.



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No understatement here, at all. I wonder if there will be a run on supplies today.

Lee
 

iboya

Veteran Member
The 1918 Pandemic came in 3 waves-several months apart-each wave becoming more virulent-spreading around the world-The first wave started much like this...
 
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Amelia

CheekyMonkey
San Antonio TX HS closed; flu there. The other two students...

"My SA News"

Swine Flu Shuts Down Steele High


State health officials have closed Steele High School in Cibolo, where two of eight U.S. cases of swine flu attended classes, to halt the spread of the new swine flu virus.

A third student has been listed as a probable case. All three suffered mild illness, with the third student still recovering.


“The purpose is to reduce the risk to students, staff and the community,” said Dr. Sandra Guerra, regional medical director for the Texas Department of State Health Services.

It was unclear how long the school might be closed. Saturday morning one official said at least a week, but health officials were conferring throughout the day.

Health officials also are recommending public gatherings in Guadalupe County be postponed. Bexar County was not included in the recommendations, despite the proximity to San Antonio of the cases.

Anyone with flu like illness and members of their household should stay home and avoid close contact with others, officials said.

Guerra said students should avoid contact with one another while school is out, which “would defeat the purpose” of closing the school to interrupt the spread of the new virus, which has killed as many as 60 people in Mexico and sickened hundreds.

Extracurricular activities at the school have also been cancelled.

Link found through
 

Mrs Smith

Inactive
Calm down folks, breathe and think for a minute. We here have never believed the MSM, and continuously claim they are clueless puppets, so why all of a sudden would you think differently and take their reports so seriously?

Each year in the US alone people die from cardiovascular disease:
945,836 per year,
78,819 per month,
18,189 per week,
2,591 per day,
107 per hour

600,000 people die each year from cancer
40,000 from car accidents
2.5 million die every year in the US

Seems these are a much greater threat than a panic-inducing flu. Yeah, we're preppers, and we live for this stuff but seriously, let's get a grip on reality.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Calm down folks, breathe and think for a minute. We here have never believed the MSM, and continuously claim they are clueless puppets, so why all of a sudden would you think differently and take their reports so seriously?

Each year in the US alone people die from cardiovascular disease:
945,836 per year,
78,819 per month,
18,189 per week,
2,591 per day,
107 per hour

600,000 people die each year from cancer
40,000 from car accidents
2.5 million die every year in the US

Seems these are a much greater threat than a panic-inducing flu. Yeah, we're preppers, and we live for this stuff but seriously, let's get a grip on reality.

I think the issue is to do what we can to keep the spread inhibited as much as possible. Personally, I'd rather do that and have people say "Why were you worried, silly boy?" than say "Why didn't people follow precautions?" if you know what you mean?
 

Amelia

CheekyMonkey
Calm down folks, breathe and think for a minute. We here have never believed the MSM, and continuously claim they are clueless puppets, so why all of a sudden would you think differently and take their reports so seriously?


Seems these are a much greater threat than a panic-inducing flu.

Yeah, we're preppers, and we live for this stuff but seriously, let's get a grip on reality.

There are SOME things that we can believe MSM about - like the things they can't keep a cap on, like this flu.

The biggest difference about this is that people who have cancer, cardiovascular disease and other diseases is that they are NOT H2H. Car accidents are accidents. Nowhere in your post do you list anything that affects large groups of people.

As to being preppers - and what we live for here are the heads-ups - most of us aren't here for sensationalism. At least that's not the purpose of the forum.

As Flipper and I agreed on another thread, since surreal is the new normal, tinfoil hats aren't cool if (most) everyone has them...
 

Mrs Smith

Inactive
I'm not trying to start an argument, just stating facts.

Ok, on H2H mortality rates: malaria kills 2.2 million people worldwide every year
Hepatitis?
HIV?

Preparedness is what we do. Panic is what we don't do.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
I'm not trying to start an argument, just stating facts.

Ok, on H2H mortality rates: malaria kills 2.2 million people worldwide every year
Hepatitis?
HIV?

Preparedness is what we do. Panic is what we don't do.

No argument from me, ma'am. :)
 

Amelia

CheekyMonkey
Mrs. Smith - Not argument, discussion purposes only.

You make my point regarding groups of people being affected by disease.

Malaria is spread through bites of specific types of mosquitos.

HIV is spread through exchanges of bodily fluids - not air or particulates.

Hepatitis does affect groups, but smaller ones due to a limited scope of influence and transmission routes. A = fecal/oral, and B-C also exchange of bodily fluids.

Last of my post re this; let's take it to PM so as not to take this thread OT - MSM news, m'k?

Thanks for bringing this issue up, though, so we could bring a bit of realistic thinking into the inquiry..
 

maric

Short but deadly
Ok, what's bugging the living carp outta me is this. We've had flu outbreaks before. The head honcho from the NYC health dept. was just on Fox. He said 'if this doesn't come back as blah, blah, it's the Swine Flu.' WTH? The CDC DOES have the Swine flu in their possession. It's my opinion that this thing is some kind of biological attack or something of the like otherwise a) the MSM would just give it a blip and 2) the NYC health dept. would know what it is, not what it is not. This ain't good, nope. Not good at all.
 

Leedaisy

Contributing Member
What Im getting is that MSM is misrepresenting it as swine flu. I thought the head of the WHO came out and said it was a new disease (virus?). Its a combo of a number of virus's that has never been seen before. MSM seems to be lumping it into the swine flu category...
 

SIRR1

Inactive
The suggestion of avoiding large crowds, hospitals and emergency rooms is not a bad idea just to slim down the odds of picking up this flu bug.

I would also wash your hands after contact with other persons, cash money, gas pumps, public restrooms, grocery stores you all know what I am getting at.

The best way to avoid the flu is to wash your hands and to avoid contact with an infected person.

Last night on the CBS evening news they showed mexicans in public with face masks on and they were all the same color blue so I am assuming that these were the masks the Mexican military was passing out.

The masks looked like a soft cloth type generic surgical mask with a tie string back and not a N95 mask...It could have been a cheap N95 but I have my doubts.

To my surprise just about every person in the video was wearing the mask WRONG!

Each person had their masks loosly fitted with gaps on the sides and around the nose area.

One of my jobs at work is to oversee the fit testing of employees for personal respirators, I have had my NIOSH cert for the past 12 years and my OSHA Cert number for 15 years as well.

I know my masks and when I saw the video I kind of freaked so IMHO it's no wonder the flu is spreading like fire in Mexico, dirty filthy conditions and a poor non educated population with the wrong supplies can only lead to disaster.

I can only assume the Mexican military passed out these masks to calm down the civilians even though they were not the correct mask to stop infection from the flu.

May God Bless us All.

SIRR1
 

maric

Short but deadly
To my surprise just about every person in the video was wearing the mask WRONG!

I noticed that too. Plus you know yourself that when those paper masks get wet they're no good anymore for protection.
 

Amelia

CheekyMonkey
The talking head in NY said the specimens from 9 students were checked in NY and they confirmed it is the Swine Flu. That being said, there's still more to it...

Preliminary is that it is Type A and they couldn't identify the sub-type, which led them to the conclusion that this is, indeed Swine Flu absent of the sub-type.

The problem is that the CDC needs to test the specimens to determine the subtype in order to find out if it's the same as in the Mexico strains. CDC testing takes two days.

I think part of the problem here is that the pre-existing Swine Flu strain is being called the same thing in reference to this new strain.

They ought to call this new one something else to differentiate. It's the subtype that makes the final determination, from what I understand.

If they do, hopefully they won't call it Captain Tripps.
 

Be Well

may all be well
What Im getting is that MSM is misrepresenting it as swine flu. I thought the head of the WHO came out and said it was a new disease (virus?). Its a combo of a number of virus's that has never been seen before. MSM seems to be lumping it into the swine flu category...


Here are three of the best flu forums, and anyone who needs to read up about this and flu pandemic stuff in general would do well to click and read, they also have up to the minute news.

Regarding this flu, it has two parts of swine (one Eurasian which is unusual), one part avian and one part human. So they're calling it swine since it has two parts of swine flu.

Pandemic Flu Information forum
http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=3eeef314c81b8e1a05e84e43594d42aa

Fluwiki
http://www.newfluwiki2.com/

Here’s FluTrackers which is good too:
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=94

And here's the audio of the CDC conference call with physicians yesterday:

Audio of CDC call
http://www.videonewswire.com/cdc/58353/event.html
 

OldMan

Candy’s dandy, but a back rub is quicker.
SIRR!:
I would also wash your hands after contact with other persons, cash money, gas pumps, public restrooms, grocery stores you all know what I am getting at.

Just had a thought (duh!) ... better wash your hands before/after handling NetFlix and RedBox DVDs! Dunno how long this virus can stay alive vs. the turnaround time of the DVDs. Might be a historically unique long-distance way to spread disease.

:ld: OldMan :ld:
 

SIRR1

Inactive
SIRR!:

Just had a thought (duh!) ... better wash your hands before/after handling NetFlix and RedBox DVDs! Dunno how long this virus can stay alive vs. the turnaround time of the DVDs. Might be a historically unique long-distance way to spread disease.

:ld: OldMan :ld:


Any rental videos +++1

SIRR1
 

Amelia

CheekyMonkey
Beach

Thanks for that, dude.

Mail.
Videos.
Gas pump handles
Library books
Shopping carts
Grocery store items
Desks.
Cash.
Everything at Walmart or your favorite store.

Hopefully, everybody's already got N-95 masks and gloves.

But you know some of us don't... and some bigger lot may not have enough.

I just can't think that far out. Makes my head hurt!


But I do have a question since you brought up the subject.

Anybody have any idea if there's a way to sterilize the masks and re-use them?
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.
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I sent the following to friends, et al. Some parts reiterate what has been posted in this thread previously......


Everyone should treat this Swine Flu event as a serious pandemic (or a pandemic to be). You have nothing to loose by doing so.

This is very serious. Please consider the following.....and read each of the writings at the links provided below:

STAY OUT OF CROWDS!! Do not visit hospitals unless you must especially emergency rooms, Avoid: sporting events, concerts, dances, parties, crowded restaurants, eating from public utensils (i.e. in a cafeteria or restaurant), drinking from public water fountains, confined public spaces, shaking hands or kissing others, drinking or eating after others, touching public door knobs or handles, buses, trains, subways, tunnels, public libraries, air ports, airplanes, etc.

Wash your hands frequently. Pray and bless everything that you ingest in the Name of Jesus before ingesting it.

Be very careful.



The Plagues Will Now Begin

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/333


Drug Co. Caught Injecting Live Bird Flu Virus Into Flu Vaccines

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/400


Pray and Bless in Jesus' Name Everything That is Used or Ingested

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/351


Never Drink Water From Public Fountains

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/362


Avoid Crowds & Strangers - Answer No Questions

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/287


Beware of Medication & Evil Men

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/283


Supplement Your Daily Nutrition

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/255


Wash, Cook, Bless & Sterilize

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/228


Tribulation Protection: The Blood of the Lamb

http://www.call2holiness.org/TribulationProtection/TribulationProtection.htm


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