ECON The end of buying used children's clothes at thrift stores???

eens

Nuns with Guns
This is a long article, but well worth reading if you have children or shop at second hand stores.

Some owners say the cost of testing for toxic lead and phthalates will shut their
businesses. The law goes into effect Feb. 10.
By Alana Semuels

January 2, 2009

Barring a reprieve, regulations set to take effect next month could force thousands of
clothing retailers and thrift stores to throw away trunkloads of children's clothing.

The law, aimed at keeping lead-filled merchandise away from children, mandates that all
products sold for those age 12 and younger -- including clothing -- be tested for lead
and phthalates, which are chemicals used to make plastics more pliable. Those that
haven't been tested will be considered hazardous, regardless of whether they actually
contain lead.

"They'll all have to go to the landfill," said Adele Meyer, executive director of the National
Assn. of Resale and Thrift Shops.

The new regulations take effect Feb. 10 under the Consumer Product Safety Improvement
Act, which was passed by Congress last year in response to widespread recalls of products
that posed a threat to children, including toys made with lead or lead-based paint.

Supporters say the measure is sorely needed. One health advocacy group said it found
high levels of lead in dozens of products purchased around the country, including
children's jewelry, backpacks and ponchos.

Lead can also be found in buttons or charms on clothing and on appliques that have been
added to fabric, said Charles Margulis, communications director for the Center for
Environmental Health in Oakland. A child in Minnesota died a few years ago after
swallowing a lead charm on his sneaker, he said.

But others say the measure was written too broadly. Among the most vocal critics to
emerge in recent weeks are U.S.-based makers of handcrafted toys and handmade
clothes, as well as thrift and consignment shops that sell children's clothing.

"We will have to lock our doors and file for bankruptcy," said Shauna Sloan, founder of Salt
Lake City-based franchise Kid to Kid, which sells used children's clothing in 75 stores
across the country and had planned to open a store in Santa Clara, Calif., this year.

There is the possibility of a partial reprieve. The Consumer Product Safety Commission,
which is responsible for enforcing the law, on Monday will consider exempting clothing
and toys made of natural materials such as wool or wood. The commission does not have
the authority to change the law but can decide how to interpret it.

But exempting natural materials does not go far enough, said Stephen Lamar, executive
vice president of the American Apparel and Footwear Assn. Clothes made of cotton but
with dyes or non-cotton yarn, for example, might still have to be tested, as would clothes
that are cotton-polyester blends, he said.

"The law introduces an extraordinarily large number of testing requirements for products
for which everyone knows there's no lead," he said.

Clothing and thrift trade groups say the law is flawed because it went through Congress
too quickly. By deeming that any product not tested for lead content by Feb. 10 be
considered hazardous waste, they contend, stores will have to tell customers that clothing
they were allowed to sell Feb. 9 became banned overnight.

These groups say the law should be changed so that it applies to products made after
Feb. 10, not sold after that date.

That would take action by Congress, however, because the Consumer Product Safety
Commission's general counsel has already determined that the law applies retroactively,
said commission spokesman Scott Wolfson.

The regulations also apply to new clothing. That won't be a problem for large
manufacturers and retailers, industry experts say, but it will be a headache for small
operators such as Molly Orr, owner of Molly O Designs in Las Vegas.

Orr has already produced her spring line of children's clothes. She says she can't afford
the $50,000 it would cost to have a private lab test her clothing line, so she's trying to sell
her inventory at a steep discount before Feb. 10. After that, she is preparing to close her
business.

"We have a son with autism, so we are all about cleaning up the toxins that our children
are exposed to," she said. "But I think the law needs to be looked at more closely to see
how it is affecting the economy in general."

Thrift store owners say the law stings because children's garments often come in new or
nearly new, because children typically outgrow clothing quickly.

Carol Vaporis, owner of Duck Duck Goose Consignment in New Port Richey, Fla., said her
store stocks barely used brand-name clothing from places such as Limited Too and
Gymboree.

"We really provide a service to the community to help people get clothes for their children
they otherwise couldn't afford," she said.

Families have been bringing more clothes to consignment stores, where they get a chunk
of the proceeds, to earn a little cash this winter, she said. She plans to contact her
congressional representatives and senators to ask them to amend the law but says there's
not enough awareness about the repercussions of the law to force anything to change.

Many retailers and thrift stores appear to be unaware that the law is changing. Of half a
dozen Southern California children's thrift stores contacted by The Times, only one had
heard of the law. Organizations such as Goodwill say they're still investigating how the law
will affect them because there is so much confusion about what will be banned.

Cynthia Broockman, who owns two consignment stores and a thrift shop in Virginia,
recently stopped accepting children's products for resale. That raised the ire of a man who
was trying to sell his son's castoffs there and had not heard of the new rules.

"I think it's not understood by people how sweeping and far-reaching this is," she said.
"The ripples that are going to go forth from this are just astonishing."

alana.semuels@latimes.com


I also found this link with this piece of information -


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/263549

It says that:
No more selling old things on eBay or Craigslist...
"This also means that after that date, even selling your kids old things on eBay or Craigslist
will be illegal. Charities will not be able to accept donations without a certificate of
compliance either. AND...Not only is it illegal, but it's a felony.
 

fruit loop

Inactive
I'm sick of this lead hysteria.

Every child doesn't eat paint chips, and if they are, then they have stupid parents who don't know how to supervise them.
 
Big. Brother.

Reading 1984 w/my 17yo right now. We'll all be sitting in the alcove, out of the view of the telescreen, trading illegal baby clothes. Sheesh.
 

eens

Nuns with Guns
I'm sick of this lead hysteria.

Every child doesn't eat paint chips, and if they are, then they have stupid parents who don't know how to supervise them.

I am SO sick of this too. In the early 90's when my middle son was a baby I asked the pediatrician to do a lead test on him since I live in a >200 year old house and was removing paint on the woodwork. He said he wouldn't do it because in his whole career he has never seen a case of lead poisoning!!!

I wonder when this insanity is going to END...
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
The regulations also apply to new clothing. That won't be a problem for large
manufacturers and retailers

Not only can I not afford to keep my children clothed with 100% new clothing, but can you imagine how this new regulation will affect the cost of new clothes? They are gonna have to pass the cost of the tests onto the consumer. Get out the Singer and brush up on my sewing skills, I guess.

xr
 
LEAD

My grandfather worked his whole life for the National Lead Company.
He had a hard physical job, dragging knives through thick sheets of lead.
He was around nothing but lead every working day.

He said they were all regularly checked for lead levels.

Never had a problem.

Lived to 86, died natural causes.

I just pray I live long enough to take part in the
Second Revolutionary War.
 

rocco94

Inactive
I am SO sick of this too. In the early 90's when my middle son was a baby I asked the pediatrician to do a lead test on him since I live in a >200 year old house and was removing paint on the woodwork. He said he wouldn't do it because in his whole career he has never seen a case of lead poisoning!!!

I wonder when this insanity is going to END...

You sound like me, we made the kids have a lead test because we also lived in an old home.. our pediatrician did it to shut me up and guess what ... no lead found in the kids!!!

Hopefully you can find used childrens clothing in the underground world of garage sales!!! Felony my butt.. I am to the point I don't really care.. crazy is just crazy. Now is the time to start manufacturing clothing in the US again. Lots of Textile factories in the South and CA that have been shut down.. fire um again and screw the imports!!
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
And the law of unintended consequences strikes again...


I'm to the point that I don't believe they're "unintended" and are actually well thought out. They seem to be working hard and fast anymore to pump these stupid laws out.
 

Amazed

Does too have a life!
Another disaster in the making thanks to the brainiacs in Washington. Now, when every family is trying to cut back, they're going to put the thrift shops out of business. :sb::sb:
 

sandra

Inactive
I have a lot of friends who own their own businesses.... making toys and some making clothing for children.... this law will put them out of business.... period. There is no way that a small business person manufacturing their own goods can comply with this law.

ETA: In fact, I know someone who makes organic cloth diapers and diaper covers, liners and such.... she has built a wonderful following in our area at the local farmer's markets. She decided to do this first for her own cildren and then as a way to stay home with them rather than go to work.... she will no longer be able to sell her wares.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Take action people!!! I just did. Post the articles on freecycle and other places that might matter. This is a real bad law. At a time when people need thrift stores the most, and families with kids are at the top, this just puts a another nail in the coffin.

Complain, Complain, Complain!!! :sht:
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
Does this compassionate "law" only apply to children? Under the age of ? Wearing size ? And what about all us adults? Don't we deserve lead-free buttons and clothing too? This is ciscriminatory. Who do I sue? (Celtic Rose, you may have to give up your new jeans - I'll be happy to take them off your hands for you) :D
 

nicholascovey

Inactive
Does anyone ever get the feeling that all facets of our government go to ever greater lengths to remove all aspects of what being an American means... Other than 2nd Amendment rights (stay tuned) and the choice to choose our own career path (still somewhat limited in certain circles) we're not too much better off than those in the last century born under Communism.

Ridiculous. I am disgusted. When is enough enough? How much is too much?
 

sandra

Inactive
Never mind the mom and pop thrift stores.... what about the biggies, like Salvation Army that get a LOT of the monies they use to help others through their thrift store sales.
 

Perpetuity

Inactive
Good god, everybody here over the age of 30 has grown up with lead in housepaint, flammable clothes, toys with small parts that could choke and painted with lead paint, and slept in cribs that would be considered felonies today. Yet, we survived childhood, as did our parents, grand parents, etc.;)

I wonder how much of this legislation comes from child clothing manufacturers lobbying groups, since so much of kids clothing is second hand or hand me downs that they get no profit from. And with the economy turned South, what an opportune time to fleece parents.:(
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
Take action people!!! I just did. Post the articles on freecycle and other places that might matter. This is a real bad law. At a time when people need thrift stores the most, and families with kids are at the top, this just puts a another nail in the coffin.

Complain, Complain, Complain!!! :sht:

You should be happy big-government trooper here. Being of the left-wing persuasion, you should be pleased as punch with any and all regulations piled on top of the thousands and thousands of other regulations.

Don't tell me you were so naive as to believe that a FEDERAL agency would ever constrain itself and control its hunger for ever-increasing control over the populace????!!! Especially when it comes to a feel-good subject like pollution!!!


Please, now, try to get your hypocrisy tendencies under control. Ya got to take your cake and eat it too ya know.

:lkick::lkick::lkick:
 

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
How are poor people or even lower middle class families going to be able to clothe their kids. Our government is run by morons that are bent on the destruction of our country. When are we going going to take it back? We know the ballet box doesn't work especially after listen to Harry Reid on Sunday speaking for the senate "We can do what ever we want". That should give you a clue as to what they think about us.
 

sandra

Inactive
Good god, everybody here over the age of 30 has grown up with lead in housepaint, flammable clothes, toys with small parts that could choke and painted with lead paint, and slept in cribs that would be considered felonies today. Yet, we survived childhood, as did our parents, grand parents, etc.;)

I wonder how much of this legislation comes from child clothing manufacturers lobbying groups, since so much of kids clothing is second hand or hand me downs that they get no profit from. And with the economy turned South, what an opportune time to fleece parents.:(

Lawyers take a lot of blame in this new legislation.... they get millions and millions for people that have had harm come to their children... and not even death, but stupidity if you ask me... they don't pay attention to what the kids are doing and when they get hurt, they sue.... and get millions. So, then a law comes along to compensate for the suit taken against the seller/manufacturer of the goods.

An example of this is a ladder company that had been in business for many, many years.... then someone put a ladder on top of a pile of cow manure while it was frozen... a few weeks later, they mounted the ladder and you guessed it, the manure had thawed and the ladder got off balance and the person fell and was hurt.... he sued.... the ladder company put a sticker on the ladder telling people that if they place the ladder while the ground or any other surface is frozen, that you should check the ladder to make sure it is still balanced when the ground thaws.... they ended up going out of business because of people's stupidity... but do you think a lawyer will tell you are stupid to sue... you bet your sweet a$$ they won't.
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Product_Safety_Improvement_Act

The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 is a US law signed on August 14, 2008 by President George W. Bush. The legislative bill was known as HR 4040, sponsored by Congressman Bobby Rush.[1] The law—public law 110-314—increases the budget of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), imposes new testing and documentation requirements, and sets new acceptable levels of several substances. It imposes new requirements on manufacturers of apparel, shoes, personal care products, accessories and jewelry, home furnishings, bedding, toys, electronics and video games, books, school supplies, educational materials and science kits. The Act also increases fines and specifies jail time for some violations.

From the horses mouth at the US Consumer Product Safety Commission website
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpsia.pdf

xr
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
WOW!!! I guess I am real lucky that my children survived to adulthood with all of these unknown dangers around!!
 

nannygoat

Inactive
I think that if the law will stop thrift stores from selling used kid clothes that it would also make it against the law to sell kids clothes at garage/yard sales - my father always said that the gov would make laws to make all of us felons so it would be against the law for us to own guns - not make guns illegal for good citizens but felons - trouble is most people would end up being felons because of stupid laws :shr:
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Product_Safety_Improvement_Act

The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 is a US law signed on August 14, 2008 by President George W. Bush. The legislative bill was known as HR 4040, sponsored by Congressman Bobby Rush.[1] The law—public law 110-314—increases the budget of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), imposes new testing and documentation requirements, and sets new acceptable levels of several substances. It imposes new requirements on manufacturers of apparel, shoes, personal care products, accessories and jewelry, home furnishings, bedding, toys, electronics and video games, books, school supplies, educational materials and science kits. The Act also increases fines and specifies jail time for some violations.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpsia.pdf

xr

Has a copy of this been sent to all Chinese manufacturers?
 

NC Susan

Deceased
And the law of unintended consequences strikes again...

anybody remember how we "got here from there"

we didnt have lead problems, till we needed to cost effectively remove the very expensive lead additives from gasoline. Invention of the more expensive to purchase but cheaper to manufacture unleaded gasoline,

hue and cry about the ghetto kids with the lower IQs from city life, and diesel bus fumes.

any legislation that needs to get passed will always be: Its "for the children" cuz no political animal can overcome an angry mob of moms
 

Scrapman

Veteran Member
There are over 7000 lobbiest in washington .
Why do you think millions are spent on being elected to a job that pay's 250,000 dollars.. Treason
scrapman
 

nharrold

Inactive
I'm sick of this lead hysteria.

Every child doesn't eat paint chips, and if they are, then they have stupid parents who don't know how to supervise them.

I have yet to see any scientific evidence showing that lead, per se, is hazardous. Everything I've come across so far stipulates that the lead, especially lead fumes, must be ingested/inhaled before it becomes something to reckon with...ala the "mad hatter" syndrome.

Rightly or wrongly, I tend to see this lead controversy as just another example of overreaching libtard hysteria.

If anyone can show me different, I'm always willing to listen.
 

Vicki

Girls With Guns Member
Ready, willing and able for the uprising! Maybe we should all go find all the used childrens clothes we can find and dump them on the whitehouse lawn.
 

bdande

Contributing Member
Is this for real? I buy the majority of my daughter's clothes at the thrift store!
 

Mark Armstrong

Veteran Member
According to the US Consumer Product Safety Commission, the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act includes books and magazines.

http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/101faq.html

Does the new requirement for total lead on children's products apply to children's books, cassettes and CD's, printed game boards, posters and other printed goods used for children's education?

In general, yes. CPSIA defines children’s products as those products intended primarily for use by children 12 and under. Accordingly, these products would be subject to the lead limit for paint and surface coatings at 16 CFR part 1303 (and the 90 ppm lead paint limit effective August 14, 2009) as well as the new lead limits for children’s products containing lead (600 ppm lead limit effective February 10, 2009, and 300 ppm lead limit effective August 14, 2009). If the children’s products use printing inks or materials which actually become a part of the substrate, such as the pigment in a plastic article, or those materials which are actually bonded to the substrate, such as by electroplating or ceramic glazing, they would be excluded from the lead paint limit. However, these products are still considered to be lead containing products irrespective of whether such products are excluded from the lead paint limit and are subject to the lead limits for children’s products containing lead. For lead containing children’s products, CPSIA specifically provides that paint, coatings, or electroplating may not be considered a barrier that would render lead in the substrate inaccessible to a child.

Does this mean book burnings of old children's books unless each book gets tested for lead and phthalates?

Does this mean that old children's books and old comic books will be for adults only, come February 10th?
 

The Freeholder

Inactive
So, will the Lead Gestapo be trolling the yard sales as well?

Stuff like this is simply going to drive more economic activity into the underground economy. Of course, since it also means that the government doesn't get any taxes on the sales, this could be, on the whole, a good thing.
 

Mark Armstrong

Veteran Member
Reading comic books and the Sunday funnies could become illegal (a form of child abuse, perhaps) for kids.

From a legal site:

http://www.lsnjlaw.org/english/healthcare/leadandotherhazards/lead/precautions/

What about colored newsprint, food cans and wrappers, cosmetics, dishes, and home remedies?

Keep things that have lead in them away from your children. Have children wash their hands after they have touched comics or comic books (colored newsprint). Children should always wash their hands before eating food.
 

Kronos

Inactive
Perhaps abide 'the Letter of the Law', and only sell such items as "RAGS", out of bins (not sorted)?

Place suitable "Warning Signs" that these are "NOT TO BE WORN, FOR USE AS RAGS ONLY", or suchlike.
 

nharrold

Inactive
Perhaps abide 'the Letter of the Law', and only sell such items as "RAGS", out of bins (not sorted)?

Place suitable "Warning Signs" that these are "NOT TO BE WORN, FOR USE AS RAGS ONLY", or suchlike.

Given the stupidity of the average American, maybe the signs should read:

"NOT TO BE EATEN....."
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
The clods in Washington are so far out of touch with real America that it's beyond pathetic. I'd like to wring their fat necks and punch their bulbous honking noses.

Of course this is all to make more obedient serfs, as stated in The Creature From Jekyll Island, among many other writings.

Well, as an aside, a friend and I went to Penny's this weekend. Her daughter-in-law is pregnant and almost all of the infant clothes were 70% off. We scored bigtime, lemme tell you. Get out there right now, and the thrift shops too, and scoop up what you can before this assinine law takes effect.

I can't believe they are so stupid. Wait, yes I can.

Freaks.

:dvl2:
 
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