WAR Raw graphic (propaganda) footage coming in from Gaza/2005

Mr. Mason

Inactive
Was watching the news last night. Reporters were saying "we can hear explosions in the distance".

We'll here's the result of those "explosions in the distance".

WARNING - WARNING - WARNING

This is bad... Filmed only moments after an explosion that appears to have killed and wounded probably 50-100 people. Bodies so thick you could barely walk without stepping on someone, 1/2 of them children, children crawling out the rubble missing arms, bodies piled on top of bodies, etc.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719

Now I'm not choosing favorites here. If you poke a hornets nest (Israel) like the Palestinians have been doing by shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel, then don't be suprized if you get stung.

Now the Palestinians are begging the UN for help and "protesting". I feel like saying stfu... You started this, your women and children are now dying because of it, you wanted a fight, well quit whining and FIGHT!

And Egypt and Saudi Arabia and the UN are just as much at fault. These "refuges" which only numbered in the thousands when Israel was founded should have been accepted by their moslem neighboors but they wouldn't take them because they KNEW they could use them. Instead they made sure that they were well feed and encouraged them all to have a dozen children per family (future freedom fighters) and now there's millions of Palistinians and with something like 10 children per household, the number of Palestinians are exploding.

Palistine is nothing but an overpopulated refuge camp. There's no future for the Palistinians. "Success" to most Palistinians means having a dozen children to they can get more aid money from the UN and a bigger cinderblock apartment to live in. There's no jobs. Nothing to do but breed. The increasing population of Palistinians is like steam in a pressure cooker. No where to go, other moslem countries will not allow them to immigrate, but have no problem giving the Palistinians "aid" which of course is proportional to how many children they have.

The objective being the creation of what amounts to a huge Palistinian population bomb, a cancer, that in the end, can have only one outcome.

More and more people squeezed into a small strip of land. Sooner or later the situation will become so intolerable that you'll literally end up with Palistinians
in human wave attacks on Israel and Israel will end up killing hundreds of thousands, which of course is exactly what the Moslem countries in the middle east want to happen.

You see, the moslem kings of middle eastern countries NEED conflict with Israel. They NEED videos like the one above of blown up Moslem children. Because
these videos are what keeps them in power. It gives them something to use to keep their own populations focused on instead of thinking about the fact that their kings are living like kings, and they are living like peasants.

Somethings got to give.
 
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FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Whether you're on one side or the other of this mess, babies and little children do not start wars, but they suffer regardless---Israeli children, Palestinian children. May God have mercy on them and end this quickly.

I also have great sympathy for the Palestinian Christians, who attacked no one but are attacked by Hamas because of their religion, and are attacked by Israel because they're living in Gaza. They are not power players in this conflict but IMO are caught up in it anyway.
 

Johnny Reb

Senior Member
The human part of me weeps for the children.

However it is clear to see what the Israelis are up against. Throughout the entire video, you see "soldiers" first helping their comrades while the children suffer. The mixing of combatants and non-combatants is clear from the video. The cowards hide amongst the civilian population. The Israelis have tried everything to limit civilian casualties. What can you do against a group of cowards who cower behind children, hide in religious sanctuaries, and launch their terror weapons from schools, neighborhood parks, and then keep thier munitions in peoples homes? That part makes me unspeakably angry.

How do you fight against a people willing to sacrifice their babies?
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
From what I was reading, Israel notifies the Palestinians of incoming attacks to give civilians time to get out of the area. Does Hamas do that?
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
Isreal dropped leaflets, warning civilians to get out. Hamas will not allow civilians to leave. They use these poor children as shields and propaganda pieces. The sign of true utter cowards.
 

Moon

Veteran Member
Isreal dropped leaflets, warning civilians to get out. Hamas will not allow civilians to leave. They use these poor children shields and propaganda pieces. The sign of true utter cowards.
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There is nowhere for them to go.............Israel will not let them out.....Hamas will not let them out......who knows but its bloody awful
 

pugdog

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There is nowhere for them to go.............Israel will not let them out.....Hamas will not let them out......who knows but its bloody awful

Out of the cities. A civilian in the city KNOWS when they look at there neighbors start shooting missles in the streets it is time to get away.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Why have we allowed so many Palestinians to move to the US? If their own ME countries wouldn't have them why should the US? It will eventually be trouble for us. One of the videos posted, think it was the one where they were stumping on our flag, they came right out and said due to the loop holes in our gov laws they can basically do as they please
 

Moon

Veteran Member
Out of the cities. A civilian in the city KNOWS when they look at there neighbors start shooting missles in the streets it is time to get away.

Its only 20 odd miles long and at its narrowest 2.5 mile wide and in that is one and a half million people......there is nowhere to run from the IDF.
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
Egypt says Hamas not allowing wounded to leave Gaza


Egypt on Sunday blamed Hamas for not letting hundreds of Palestinians wounded by Israeli air strikes leave the Gaza Strip for treatment, with dozens of empty ambulances waiting on the border.

More than 270 Palestinians have been killed and 600 wounded since Israel began hammering the Gaza Strip with air strikes on Saturday, but no wounded have yet left via Rafah, the Hamas-ruled territory's only Arab border crossing.

"No one has come in, we don't know why they're closed on the other side," a senior border security official told AFP. Several plane- and truck-loads of aid are also waiting to be allowed into the Gaza Strip, a security official said.

"The wounded are barred from crossing" into Egypt, Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit said in Cairo, blaming "those who control Gaza. We are waiting for the wounded to cross."

In the divided town of Rafah, the road leading to the border crossing was lined with 20 riot police vehicles, an AFP correspondent reported, with 40 ambulances and several pick-ups full of medicine waiting to cross into Gaza.

"We are preparing a list of casualties. There are just so many dead and injured," Dr Mouneer al-Borsh from the Hamas-run health ministry told AFP at the border.

He had arrived at the border with a ministry truck and was waiting to take medical supplies into Gaza.

Asked when the wounded would arrive at the border, Borsh said: "I don't know when. I can't say."

An Egyptian medic said that "sometimes they (Hamas) say they're going to bring people, sometimes they say they're not going to bring people. Now they say they want medical supplies for the wounded."

Gaza has been crippled by an Israeli blockade of all but the most essential supplies, with even basic medicines lacking in the impoverished territory. But no emergency medical aid entered on Sunday.

A security official said that an Egyptian plane with 50 doctors on board as well as medical supplies had arrived in nearby El-Arish. Two Qatari aircraft carrying 50 tonnes of medical supplies were waiting at the same airport.

Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has also ordered three planeloads of medical aid to the Gaza Strip via Egypt, MENA said, and offered to airlift the wounded.

"The Rafah border crossing was opened by the Egyptians yesterday, but no Hamas people showed up" on the other side, an Israeli military spokesman said.
http://www.arabia.msn.com/channels/msnnews/article.aspx?CatID=1&ID=676250&S=Hl
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
Hmm Hamas' propaganda wing must be slipping.. they let whoever was filming that get the mortar tube in the shot (in the back of that truck).

Shame those kids were Anywhere NEAR that tube and the people firing it. Very sad, but this is the type of war Hamas fights.
 

Infoscout

The Dude Abides
I saw the footage, it is horrible!

But I also saw a hamas soldier using a pointer stick to tell the camera crew where to film, if you notice the camera person had to follow a hamas guy around and film where he was told. Also, the Hamas soldiers are all wearing masks, to hide thier identity. Just odd, if this was footage of explosion right after it happened. This may have been combat footage, but it was being staged for effect after the fact.

What the civilians have to go through there, is horrible, but Hamas is using them, classic che guevera tactics, and the Israelis could care less who they destroy if it means stopping those rockets. Horrible situation with no end in sight, just horrible!
 

CRodgers

אני תומך
Awesome video!

By the way I understand that there are civilian casulties before you flame me about what I said, and it can't be helped. If Hamas wouldn't use human shields and fight like real men, then this would be avoided. But almost all of these children have been groomed to hate Israel and would most likely grow up to be suicide bombers or worse.

Get rid of the whole lot if you ask me.

Great post Ron thanks for sharing.

What bugs me about this country is after Sept 11th how soon people forget who we are at war with. We elect a muslim sympathizer if not a muslim himself to be president. Forgetting all along who it is we are at war with.
 

Bubba Zanetti

Inactive
Did anyone notice the wrecked military equiptment? Helmets. Mismatched uniforms....

Why the hell do they position themselves around civs?

At the end of the video you see the crew cab truck with the remains of a rocket launching equiptment in the back.
 

Ragenomore

Senior Member
We are fully aware of who we are at war with. Speak for your self.

Keep watching the vid. There are some real problems with it.
 

Walker10

Veteran Member
http://www.counterpunch.com/avnery01022009.html

January 2 - 4, 2009
How Israel is Multiplying Hamas by a Thousand
Molten Lead in Gaza

By URI AVNERY

EJUST AFTER MIDNIGHT, Aljazeera’s Arabic channel was reporting on events in Gaza. Suddenly the camera was pointing upwards towards the dark sky. The screen was pitch black. Nothing could be seen, but there was a sound to be heard: the noise of airplanes, a frightening, a terrifying droning.

It was impossible not to think about the tens of thousands of Gazan children who were hearing that sound at that moment, cringing with fright, paralyzed by fear, waiting for the bombs to fall.

* * *

“ISRAEL MUST defend itself against the rockets that are terrorizing our Southern towns,” the Israeli spokesmen explained. “Palestinians must respond to the killing of their fighters inside the Gaza Strip,” the Hamas spokesmen declared.

As a matter of fact, the cease-fire did not collapse, because there was no real cease-fire to start with. The main requirement for any cease-fire in the Gaza Strip must be the opening of the border crossings. There can be no life in Gaza without a steady flow of supplies. But the crossings were not opened, except for a few hours now and again. The blockade on land, on sea and in the air against a million and a half human beings is an act of war, as much as any dropping of bombs or launching of rockets. It paralyzes life in the Gaza Strip: eliminating most sources of employment, pushing hundreds of thousands to the brink of starvation, stopping most hospitals from functioning, disrupting the supply of electricity and water.

Those who decided to close the crossings – under whatever pretext – knew that there is no real cease-fire under these conditions.

That is the main thing. Then there came the small provocations which were designed to get Hamas to react. After several months, in which hardly any Qassam rockets were launched, an army unit was sent into the Strip “in order to destroy a tunnel that came close to the border fence”. From a purely military point of view, it would have made more sense to lay an ambush on our side of the fence. But the aim was to find a pretext for the termination of the cease-fire, in a way that made it plausible to put the blame on the Palestinians. And indeed, after several such small actions, in which Hamas fighters were killed, Hamas retaliated with a massive launch of rockets, and – lo and behold – the cease-fire was at an end. Everybody blamed Hamas.

* * *

WHAT WAS THE AIM? Tzipi Livni announced it openly: to liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza. The Qassams served only as a pretext.

Liquidate Hamas rule? That sounds like a chapter out of “The March of Folly”. After all, it is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with. When I once asked a former Shin-Bet chief, Yaakov Peri, about it, he answered enigmatically: “We did not create it, but we did not hinder its creation.”

For years, the occupation authorities favored the Islamic movement in the occupied territories. All other political activities were rigorously suppressed, but their activities in the mosques were permitted. The calculation was simple and naive: at the time, the PLO was considered the main enemy, Yasser Arafat was the current Satan. The Islamic movement was preaching against the PLO and Arafat, and was therefore viewed as an ally.

With the outbreak of the first intifada in 1987, the Islamic movement officially renamed itself Hamas (Arabic initials of “Islamic Resistance Movement”) and joined the fight. Even then, the Shin-Bet took no action against them for almost a year, while Fatah members were executed or imprisoned in large numbers. Only after a year, were Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his colleagues also arrested.

Since then the wheel has turned. Hamas has now become the current Satan, and the PLO is considered by many in Israel almost as a branch of the Zionist organization. The logical conclusion for an Israeli government seeking peace would have been to make wide-ranging concessions to the Fatah leadership: ending of the occupation, signing of a peace treaty, foundation of the State of Palestine, withdrawal to the 1967 borders, a reasonable solution of the refugee problem, release of all Palestinian prisoners. That would have arrested the rise of Hamas for sure.

But logic has little influence on politics. Nothing of this sort happened. On the contrary, after the murder of Arafat, Ariel Sharon declared that Mahmoud Abbas, who took his place, was a “plucked chicken”. Abbas was not allowed the slightest political achievement. The negotiations, under American auspices, became a joke. The most authentic Fatah leader, Marwan Barghouti, was sent to prison for life. Instead of a massive prisoner release, there were petty and insulting “gestures”.

Abbas was systematically humiliated, Fatah looked like an empty shell and Hamas won a resounding victory in the Palestinian election – the most democratic election ever held in the Arab world. Israel boycotted the elected government. In the ensuing internal struggle, Hamas assumed direct control over the Gaza Strip.

And now, after all this, the government of Israel decided to “liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza” – with blood, fire and columns of smoke.

* * *

THE OFFICIAL NAME of the war is “Cast Lead”, two words from a children’s song about a Hanukkah toy.

It would be more accurate to call it “the the Election War”.

In the past, too, military action has been taken during election campaigns. Menachem Begin bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor during the 1981 campaign. When Shimon Peres claimed that this was an election gimmick, Begin cried out at his next rally: “Jews, do you believe that I would send our brave boys to their death or, worse, to be taken prisoner by human animals, in order to win an election?” Begin won.

Peres is no Begin. When, during the 1996 election campaign, he ordered the invasion of Lebanon (operation “Grapes of Wrath”), everybody was convinced that he had done it for electoral gain. The war was a failure and Peres lost the elections and Binyamin Netanyahu came to power.

Barak and Tzipi Livni are now resorting to the same old trick. According to the polls, Barak’s predicted election result rose within 48 hours by five Knesset seats. About 80 dead Palestinians for each seat. But it is difficult to walk on a pile of dead bodies. The success may evaporate in a minute if the war comes to be considered by the Israeli public as a failure. For example, if the rockets continue to hit Beersheba, or if the ground attack leads to heavy Israeli casualties.

The timing was chosen meticulously from another angle too. The attack started two days after Christmas, when American and European leaders are on holiday until after New Year. The calculation: even if somebody wanted to try and stop the war, no one would give up his holiday. That ensured several days free from outside pressures.

Another reason for the timing: these are George Bush’s last days in the White House. This blood-soaked moron could be expected to support the war enthusiastically, as indeed he did. Barack Obama has not yet entered office and had a ready made pretext for keeping silent: “there is only one President”. The silence does not bode well for the term of president Obama.

* * *

THE MAIN LINE was: not to repeat the mistakes of Lebanon War II. This was endlessly repeated on all the news programs and talk shows.

This does not change the fact: the Gaza War is an almost exact replica of the second Lebanon war.

The strategic concept is the same: to terrorize the civilian population by unremitting attacks from the air, sowing death and destruction. This poses no danger to the pilots, since the Palestinians have no anti-aircraft weapons at all. The calculation: if the entire life-supporting infrastructure in the Strip is utterly destroyed and total anarchy ensues, the population will rise up and overthrow the Hamas regime. Mahmoud Abbas will then ride back into Gaza on the back of Israeli tanks.

In Lebanon, this calculation did not work out. The bombed population, including the Christians, rallied behind Hizbullah, and Hassan Nasrallah became the hero of the Arab world. Something similar will probably happen this time, too. Generals are experts on using weapons and moving troops, not on mass psychology.

Some time ago I wrote that the Gaza blockade was a scientific experiment designed to find out how much one can starve a population and turn its life into hell before they break. This experiment was conducted with the generous help of Europe and the US. Up to now, it did not succeed. Hamas became stronger and the range of the Qassams became longer. The present war is a continuation of the experiment by other means.

It may be that the army will “have no alternative” but to re-conquer the Gaza Strip because there is no other way to stop the Qassams – except coming to an agreement with Hamas, which is contrary to government policy. When the ground invasion starts, everything will depend on the motivation and capabilities of the Hamas fighters vis-à-vis the Israeli soldiers. Nobody can know what will happen.

* * *

DAY AFTER DAY, night after night, Aljazeera’s Arabic channel broadcasts the atrocious pictures: heaps of mutilated bodies, tearful relatives looking for their dear ones among the dozens of corpses spread out on the ground, a woman pulling her young daughter from under the rubble, doctors without medicines trying to save the lives of the wounded. (The English-language Aljazeera, unlike its Arab-language sister-station, has undergone an amazing about face, broadcasting only a sanitized picture and freely distributing Israeli government propaganda. It would be interesting to know what happened there.)

Millions are seeing these terrible images, picture after picture, day after day. These images are imprinted on their minds forever: horrible Israel, abominable Israel, inhuman Israel. A whole generation of haters. That is a terrible price, which we will be compelled to pay long after the other results of the war itself have been forgotten in Israel.

But there is another thing that is being imprinted on the minds of these millions: the picture of the miserable, corrupt, passive Arab regimes.

As seen by Arabs, one fact stands out above all others: the wall of shame.

For the million and a half Arabs in Gaza, who are suffering so terribly, the only opening to the world that is not dominated by Israel is the border with Egypt. Only from there can food arrive to sustain life and medicaments to save the injured. This border remains closed at the height of the horror. The Egyptian army has blocked the only way for food and medicines to enter, while surgeons operate on the wounded without anesthetics.

Throughout the Arab world, from end to end, there echoed the words of Hassan Nasrallah: The leaders of Egypt are accomplices to the crime, they are collaborating with the “Zionist enemy” in trying to break the Palestinian people. It can be assumed that he did not mean only Mubarak, but also all the other leaders, from the king of Saudi Arabia to the Palestinian President. Seeing the demonstrations throughout the Arab world and listening to the slogans, one gets the impression that their leaders seem to many Arabs pathetic at best, and miserable collaborators at worst.

This will have historic consequences. A whole generation of Arab leaders, a generation imbued with the ideology of secular Arab nationalism, the successors of Gamal Abd-al-Nasser, Hafez al-Assad and Yasser Arafat, may be swept from the stage. In the Arab space, the only viable alternative is the ideology of Islamic fundamentalism.

This war is a writing on the wall: Israel is missing the historic chance of making peace with secular Arab nationalism. Tomorrow, It may be faced with a uniformly fundamentalist Arab world, Hamas multiplied by a thousand.

MY TAXI DRIVER in Tel-Aviv the other day was thinking aloud: Why not call up the sons of the ministers and members of the Knesset, form them into a combat unit and send them off to head the coming ground attack on Gaza?

Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is a contributor to CounterPunch's book The Politics of Anti-Semitism.
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
THIS VIDEO IS MISLEADING

The video was not taken on January 1st 2009. It was not taken in a civilian market, and it was not the result of an IDF air strike.

This video is from September 23rd 2005, and was taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. A Hamas pick-up truck carrying Qassam rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally, leaving at least 15 killed and dozens more injured.

The pick-up truck in question is visible for a split-second at the start of the video. The section of the video showing the pick-up exploding has been edited out. The large number of Hamas personnel present, the number of injured in military uniform, the large number of civilians and Hamas flags all over the place confirm this.

Compare the video from 4:08-4:24 with this photograph taken after the blast at the rally. In the background of the video the man shown in the white top in this photo is clearly visible tending to one of the casualties. Another person is shown coming over to him and placing the distinctive purple/green striped blanket over the body laying next to him, and the wooden pole he is knelt next to is visible.

The man in the white top is visible once again in this photograph (from this CBS News article) along with the man in a yellow shirt with serious leg injuries visible at around 3:55 in the video

A side-by-side comparison of a frame from the video at ~4:08 and the aforementioned photo from the CBS News article is here.

News articles about the actual incident depicted in this video:

Palestinians killed in Gaza blast - At least 15 Palestinians have been killed and scores injured in a blast during a parade by the militant Hamas group in the Gaza Strip. A truck carrying gunmen and home-made weapons blew up during the rally in the Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza.

Israel has denied involvement, while the ruling Palestinian Fatah faction said it held Hamas responsible. [...]

An unnamed witness was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying "I was thrown several metres, then I looked behind and I saw people dismembered and lying on the ground dead." [...]

— BBC News

Gaza: Blast during Hamas rally kills 19 - At least 19 Palestinians were killed and some 80 more were injured Friday from an explosion that occurred during a Hamas rally at the Jabalya refugee camp in north Gaza.

While the Palestinian Interior Ministry has reported that 19 people died in the blast, hospitals said that at least 10 people were killed. Some of those killed were Hamas members, and the rest were citizens, among them two children, who took part in the rally.

The Palestinian Interior ad National Security Ministry said that according to eyewitness accounts the blast occurred inside a vehicle carrying Qassam rockets and was not the result of IDF fire.

A videotape of the rally showed a jeep blowing up, followed by images of people running for safety. [...]

— Ynetnews

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7n4re/graphic_video_of_israel_defense_forces_attack_on/
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I'm very happy to report...

(but pugdog beat me to it, which is ok)

that I also found that the Liveleak film, if purporting to be a current video of IDF attacks on Gaza civilians, is NOT such, but is a film from 2005.

It even SAYS SO, right on the LIVELINK site---which shows I wasn't paying attention:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719

Raw; (2005) Hamas Weapons Parade Accident Kills 15, including kids

CLOSE [X] Hamas parades weapons in Gaza, they blow up, killing 15, including kids
By israelinsider staff and partners September 23, 2005



Dead and wounded at the Hamas rally. Parading homemade weapons can be dangerous. (AP)

A pickup truck carrying masked militants blew up at a Hamas rally on Friday, killing at least 15 Palestinians and wounding 80, The PA Interior Ministry confirmed More...

Witnesses said the truck carried homemade weapons, and Palestinian security officials said the blast apparently was caused by the mishandling of weapons. Hamas blamed Israel, saying Israeli aircraft flew overhead during the rally. Israel denied it was involved.

Seven of the wounded were in serious condition, hospital doctors said.

The rally was held in the Jebaliya refugee camp. Witnesses said participants crowded around the pickup truck carrying militants when the explosion went off. The witnesses said the truck carried homemade weapons.

One man, who only gave his first name, Hussam, said he helped pull three men out of the pickup, two dead and one man who was still alive, but had a leg severed. The side of the pickup was charred.

The witness said he saw five dead children nearby. Dozens of children were wounded in the blast. The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al Qassam, is popular with youngsters. When the pickup with the gunmen arrived at the rally, many children crowded around the vehicle.

After the blast, men carried bloody body parts and lifeless bodies wrapped in blankets to nearby cars.

The dead and wounded were taken to nearby hospitals. Doctors initally said they had a total of 56 wounded at two hospitals, but Hamas later revised the figure to 45 wounded. The toll was later revised upward again on Saturday, to 140.

At Shifa, doctors had to treat patients on the floor of the emergency room because they ran out of beds. Masked Hamas men wheeled in casualties, including children.


SO, if the Palestinians, or their supporters, are disseminating THIS film to show Israeli "agression" toward civilians, it says FAR more about the type of people the Hamas is, than what they're trying to make Israel out to be.
 

bipshoft

Inactive
Mods please edit the original posting

As has already been reported

this video has nothing to do with current hostilities
It is from a Hamas weapons parade accident in 2005
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
Palestinians don't want piece they want all the land to themselves, it was a very long time ago that the Muslims attacked Israel and took it over and they lost it in a war with the crown of england and some where along the way after many years it was handed over to the Jews and some of to the Palestinians but this was not good enough for the palestinians and the Muslim world. So what we have now is the Palestinians are waging a Unconditional war! They don't care who they kill ( men, Women & Kids) as long its a dead Israeli. The Palestinians are lucky, Israel has not in turn leveled a whole settlement, to put an end to it.
 

TECH32

Inactive
Its only 20 odd miles long and at its narrowest 2.5 mile wide and in that is one and a half million people......there is nowhere to run from the IDF.

There is always Egypt.

Or did that just slip your mind?
 

D_el

Veteran Member
The human part of me weeps for the children.

However it is clear to see what the Israelis are up against. Throughout the entire video, you see "soldiers" first helping their comrades while the children suffer. The mixing of combatants and non-combatants is clear from the video. The cowards hide amongst the civilian population. The Israelis have tried everything to limit civilian casualties. What can you do against a group of cowards who cower behind children, hide in religious sanctuaries, and launch their terror weapons from schools, neighborhood parks, and then keep thier munitions in peoples homes? That part makes me unspeakably angry.

How do you fight against a people willing to sacrifice their babies?

Golda Meir once stated: (paraphrased: "When the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews, there will be peace."
We see how much they cherish their children - not.
 

Green Co.

Veteran Member
I did edit the title, as Liveleak has edited their captions to show this is clearly not from the current conflict.

I'd be interested in hearing from members who saw the linked vid at the earlier time, vs the one now shown. Just wondering if LL changed the vid, cause some of the earlier comments don't seem to fit this current one....
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
what is the answer to this fascism

will some ****ing Jew or some ****ing Muslim please explain to me you ****ing filth

or can't you shit heads


has any new labour **** got the answer to this crap


please explain to me in plain language why the ****ing world has to view this shit for 60 years because of some ****ing religious crap which is not scientific provable
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Palestinians don't want piece they want all the land to themselves, it was a very long time ago that the Muslims attacked Israel and took it over and they lost it in a war with the crown of england and some where along the way after many years it was handed over to the Jews and some of to the Palestinians but this was not good enough for the palestinians and the Muslim world. So what we have now is the Palestinians are waging a Unconditional war! They don't care who they kill ( men, Women & Kids) as long its a dead Israeli. The Palestinians are lucky, Israel has not in turn leveled a whole settlement, to put an end to it.

true its a territorial dispute no more no less

no intifada no Jewish religion

just tribes who can't co-exist

will any Jew or Arab please dispute this
 

Ragenomore

Senior Member
The earlier link did say Raw scene attack by IDF in Gaza on 1/1/09. I am pissed. I did think something was wrong though.
 

Mr. Mason

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Green Co.

Veteran Member
yeah, it was originally marked as 01/01/09 and it's posted on other sites as being current...

Never doubted you, RG. It's just that the propaganda factor from that area is high.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
here

There is nowhere for them to go.............Israel will not let them out.....Hamas will not let them out......who knows but its bloody awful

Uhhhhh, this was self-inflicted.

A bunch of Pali sand crabs in a truck who screwed up. They killed THEIR own people!!!!







Dead and wounded at the Hamas rally. Parading homemade weapons can be dangerous. (AP)

A pickup truck carrying masked militants blew up at a Hamas rally on Friday, killing at least 15 Palestinians and wounding 80, The PA Interior Ministry confirmed.
:bhmo:

Idiocy knows no bounds.
 

SarahLynn

Veteran Member
Absolutely incredible-sickening-disgusting-there are just not enough adjectives to describe this.
In Islam, it is perfectly within the realm of the acceptable to lie and deceive the infidel, but to lie and deceive your own people? Millions will see this, believe it, and hate without cause. How incredibly sad.
 

Wardogs

Inactive
Absolutely incredible-sickening-disgusting-there are just not enough adjectives to describe this.
In Islam, it is perfectly within the realm of the acceptable to lie and deceive the infidel, but to lie and deceive your own people? Millions will see this, believe it, and hate without cause. How incredibly sad.

Unfortunately, this is nothing new, although the audacity of thinking no one would catch it is startling. Or, maybe they just don't care?

Some sites are still running it as recent, even though they have been informed of the origins. Many will not care, as shown by some of the comments on Reddit.

Media fauxtography is again in full swing to promote anti-Israel media bias for this operation just like in Lebanon and earlier. To understand, take a look at a bit of the history. After reading what happened in Lebanon, you can see exactly the same things that are going on now.

Zombietime's definitive taxonomy of Lebanon II photo fraud:
http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

"The four types of photographic fraud perpetrated by Reuters photographers and editors are: 1. Digitally manipulating images after the photographs have been taken. 2. Photographing scenes staged by Hezbollah and presenting the images as if they were of authentic spontaneous news events. 3. Photographers themselves staging scenes or moving objects, and presenting photos of the set-ups as if they were naturally occurring. 4. Giving false or misleading captions to otherwise real photos that were taken at a different time or place".

So, are we seeing just these same types of BS now?

You bet, Pallywood is again in full swing...

Photographing scenes as spontaneous news events? Check:
http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2009/01/can-public-broadcasting-really-be-this.html

"...Palestinians are... the only people on earth whose immediate urge, when their friends and fellows are injured, is to grab them and try to twist them into cruel and dangerous positions... The caption alleges that the young man being pulled and twisted like a quid of taffy by his friends here was shot by Israelis using live ammunition. Generally when someone is shot there would be a hole... accompanied by profuse bleeding. At first glance, the vivid red on the arms that hold the feet of the subject alarms the eye but on closer inspection... it is obvious that there is some combination of ugly clothing design... [and] obvious fakery..."

Photographers staging scenes themselves? Check:
http://blog.camera.org/archives/2008/12/gaza_mourners_exploited.html

"...[A] Palestinian journalist complains that the media and others are manipulating the images going out to the world: "A mother of one of the martyrs stood by the door of the intensive care unit while crying... relatives and those around her were telling her what she should say to the television cameras: 'Say your son [before he died] prayed and went out.' Another tells her: 'Curse the Arab leaders'... The journalists [in the hospitals] are going overboard in their insensitivity and taking advantage of the [difficult] moments, with the explanation that they are showing this to the world. One cameraman told a mourning mother: 'Hit your face, cry, do some action..."

False or misleading captions? Check:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/195697.php

"...Accompanying this article are three photographs of a bombed out location. Instead of noting in the captions that these photos were all of the same house, the intent is obviously to make you instead think that these are three different locations. They're not... They are, in fact, three photos of the same house from different angles by AP photographer Eyad Baba. One (of course) with a mother and child posing in front of it, another through a window in an obvious attempt to be poignant, and a third areal view of the entire bombed out area..."

The only reason I'm leaving out the WaPo pictures of the healthy-looking children on stretchers that I posted about earlier is because I can't decide whether Hamas staged the scene or whether the photojournalist did the composition on his own.
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2008/12/27/wapo-steps-in-pallywood-doodoo-something-smells/

In any case: do you think they're dumb enough to try to photoshop pictures this time?

Yes, I do.

Lawhawk has a rigorous writeup on the first picture in this series. A case of changing captions seems transformed a malatov-throwing militant into an innocent bystander. Magical.
http://lawhawk.blogspot.com/2008/12/palestinian-propaganda-101.html

The video in the OP is just plain sloppy as all they did was edit out the beginning and substitute the title. Some of the others, as Zombie points out are much more sophisticated, and seem to be supported by major news outlets like Reuters and AP. Not surprising, given their track record for coverage in Iraq.

Another good source for Pallywood escapades, especially the al Dura fiasco is here:
http://www.seconddraft.org/

And folks wonder why the MSM is dying...

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SarahLynn

Veteran Member
And folks wonder why the MSM is dying...


Don't they remember they're supposed to be "the watchdog of the people"???
Don't they care about their reputations?? The people "have the right to know!" used to be their mantra!
Have these people no shame, no conscience? I would be embarrassed to put my name to garbage like that!
UNREAL, absolutely unbelievable-although the MSM itself may not have posted this particular video, the media is actively complicit in NOT reporting what IS actually going on and what led us to this moment, and are in many ways just as bad.
 

Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
My heart aches for the kids. However, they are the next generation of terrorists. True love for these kids from their parents would have prevented or lessened their pain. But they chose to stay or give Hamas power to control them............they shall reap what they have sown............and as usual the children will suffer. The reposting of this tradgedy by the terrorists or their supporters should shaw many what utter filth these people are.
 
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