POL Western provinces wanting to leave Canada

Make our own country. Life is getting too funny.

What kind is in mind?

Curious Fred

You know I've heard this for 40 years, BC, Alberta & Saskatchewan (is Manitoba the forgotten province?) wanting to leave Canada.

Quebec of our has wanted to be it's own nation for years. IIRC they cam close to it years back. But when Ottawa handed them a bill for public, municipal & provincial services they received and would be required to start paying once they left the Dominion they shut the hell up real fast.

If you don't know, the western provinces with vast agriculture, minerals & energy production pay a hugely disproportionate share in taxes to the Eastern provinces. And then the Quebecers and Ottawans thumb their noses at Western province contributions and put them down.

an article a few days back was talking about Canada splitting up and it involved the liberals fighting with the French Quebec Conservataives ? maybe to decide, it was a weird article and hard to follow for an American not knowing Canadian politics

I took the article as trash untill I saw this thread so maybe it's going to happen.

If Canada splits then I see the US splitting...

Sad times indeed because I thought I would never see anything like this in my life time!

I guess we have to wait till the dust clears and see what happens...

Double_A said:

You know I've heard this for 40 years, BC, Alberta & Saskatchewan (is Manitoba the forgotten province?) wanting to leave Canada.

Quebec of our has wanted to be it's own nation for years. IIRC they cam close to it years back. But when Ottawa handed them a bill for public, municipal & provincial services they received and would be required to start paying once they left the Dominion they shut the hell up real fast.

If you don't know, the western provinces with vast agriculture, minerals & energy production pay a hugely disproportionate share in taxes to the Eastern provinces. And then the Quebecers and Ottawans thumb their noses at Western province contributions and put them down.

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This last paragraph sounds a whole lot like the South prior to 1861. To quote Lincoln "Who, then, shall pay the taxes"... Good luck. I think if they want to seceed, have at it. Conferderacy of the Northlands. Good deal. I wish you better luck than we had.

KC: It would be best for both countries if QB formed their own country with most of our big eastern states like NY, MA, etc.

Then they could legislate themselves to death!

Meanwhile the rest of us would form a Constitutional Federation of Soveriegn states based on the original intent of the US Constitution and ditch the Federal albatross once and for all!

Fleataxi

Now I find this interesting. It seems I have been hearing about this sort of
thing with regards to Canada for years. There was one good book written
years ago entitled something like the Nine Nations of North America of where
they did away with the borders then grouped areas according to their
culture, politics, etc. Now how much does some of these Western Provinces
share similarities with some of us here in the Western US like Wyoming,
Idaho, and Montana, etc. The future could get interesting.

good isn't Canada run by frenchies who cannot assimilate

float off Quebec then unite the rest of the country?

Quit worrying nothings gonna happen.
Even if Harper looses his mandate (unlikely) the coalition (aka 3 Amigos LOL) only has the Blocs backing for 9 months...call it 6 months after they get back from Xmas recess; they'll spend that long figuring who sits where in the house and then it will be either election time or the Bloc will switch sides. Bye the Bye nice of 'Liz May(Green Party) to show her support for the CO, talk about the kiss of death (Kinda like Cheney backing MCain)
Cheers All

I would be tempted to move to a newly created sovereign nation made up of Alberta, BC, Idaho and (maybe) Montana, Washington and Oregon, if it were to adopt a clean version of the US Constitution.
Might even throw in the Yukon and Alaska. Awesome possibilities.

"...Constitutional Federation of Soveriegn states.."

That's been tried. Didn't work.

Fleataxi said:

KC: It would be best for both countries if QB formed their own country with most of our big eastern states like NY, MA, etc.

Then they could legislate themselves to death!

Meanwhile the rest of us would form a Constitutional Federation of Soveriegn states based on the original intent of the US Constitution and ditch the Federal albatross once and for all!

Fleataxi

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Actually, the Northeastern United States is culturally and politically incompatible with Quebec as regards forming a new nation from its constituent parts.

Similar fiscal policy does not a nation make.

If anything, the Northeastern United States is more attuned to the Maritime provinces, especially Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

It is possible that in 50 years, what is now the United States and Canada will be divided into:

1) A nation composed of the Maritime provinces and New England

2) Quebec

3) Ontario (and possibly Manitoba [see #8)

4) New York

5) The Mid-Atlantic states

6) The former Confederacy, minus Texas, plus Kentucky.

7) The Great Lakes states

8) The Prairie and Western states (possibly including Iowa and Minnesota) with Alberta, Saskatchewan and possibly Manitoba

9) California, Oregon and Washington state

10) British Columbia

(Note: In lieu of # 9 and # 10, a Pacific coast nation combining the Western halves of Washington state, Oregon, California and British Columbia might form instead with the eastern halves joining #8)

11) Texas

12) Hawai'i

13) Alaska plus Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut

I chose the areas above as they are culturally similar (with minor differences) and their regional economies are more-or-less interlocked and symbiotic.

Fleataxi said:

KC: It would be best for both countries if QB formed their own country with most of our big eastern states like NY, MA, etc.

Then they could legislate themselves to death!

Meanwhile the rest of us would form a Constitutional Federation of Soveriegn states based on the original intent of the US Constitution and ditch the Federal albatross once and for all!

Fleataxi

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Amen.....

Troke said:

"...Constitutional Federation of Soveriegn states.."

That's been tried. Didn't work.

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The reason for the political and cultural strife in both the United States and Canada is because both nations are rather large with irreconcilable differences on culture and economic issues.

The likely long term solution would be a political divorce with each area having its own central government combined with a common currency to facilitate trade.

Such a scenario would be similar to the Euro except without the social and judicial policies of the European Union that encumber it.