INTL Genocide: The World's Most Heinous Crime

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The world's most heinous crime

December marks the 60th anniversary of the U.N.'s Genocide Convention
A few strong voices have since tried to focus the world's attention on genocide
Each time they were shunned, ignored or told it was someone else's problem
CNN's Christiane Amanpour traveled to the world's killing fields to understand why

(CNN) -- They share a deep sorrow: an idealistic American who tried to protect the Kurds of Iraq, a Canadian general who refused to follow orders in Rwanda, a French priest who fought for the soul of Cambodia.

CNN's Christiane Amanpour traveled to the killing fields of Europe, Africa and Asia for "Scream Bloody Murder."

Each one tried to focus the world's attention on the world's most heinous crime: genocide. Each time, they were shunned, ignored or told it was someone else's problem.

To understand why, CNN's Christiane Amanpour traveled to the killing fields of Europe, Africa and Asia for a two-hour documentary, "Scream Bloody Murder."

Having reported on mass atrocities around the world, this time Amanpour traced the personal accounts of those who tried to stop the slaughter.

The yearlong CNN investigation found that instead of using a U.N. treaty outlawing genocide as a springboard to action, political leaders have invoked reason after reason to make intervention seem unnecessary, pointless and even counter-productive. Map: See the locations featured in the documentary »

December marks the 60th anniversary of the U.N.'s Genocide Convention, when -- in the aftermath of the Holocaust -- the nations of the world pledged to prevent and punish future attempts to eliminate ethnic, religious and national groups. Read the 1948 Genocide Convention (pdf)

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In Depth: Scream Bloody Murder

"The Genocide Convention should have stopped genocide, but it didn't," said Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel. Intervention is a daunting challenge, he believes, because of a tendency to minimize accounts from refugees and victims. "It's better not to believe, because if you believe, you don't sleep nights. And how can you eat? How can you drink a glass of wine when you know?" See images from locations in the documentary »

1970s: Cambodia

Father François Ponchaud was a Catholic missionary in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge guerillas -- communist revolutionaries -- seized power in 1975. They expelled all foreigners from the country.

But working from France, Ponchaud gathered refugee accounts and monitored radio broadcasts to document the slave labor, torture and executions the Khmer Rouge were using to kill one-fourth of Cambodia's population.

He published his findings in a major French newspaper and wrote a book, "Year Zero." But even so, Ponchaud tells Amanpour, "No one believed us."

1980s: Iraq

CNN found that intervention is often weighed against political and economic costs.

Declassified U.S. government documents show that while Saddam Hussein was gassing Iraqi Kurds, the U.S. opposed punishing Iraq with a trade embargo because it was cultivating Iraq as an ally against Iran and as a market for U.S. farm exports.

According to Peter Galbraith, then an idealistic Senate staffer determined to stop Hussein from committing genocide, the Reagan administration "got carried away with their own propaganda. They began to believe that Saddam Hussein could be a reliable partner." Read once-secret U.S. documents

1990s: Bosnia

Even extensive news coverage may not lead to intervention.

During the violent breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, the media reported on the Bosnian Serbs' ethnic cleansing of Muslims: the siege of Sarajevo, the concentration camps, the use of rape as a weapon of war.

It was like watching "a color remake of the black-and-white scenes we'd seen in World War II," said U.S. diplomat Richard Holbrooke, whose Jewish grandfather fled Germany when Adolf Hitler came to power.

Holbrooke was an early advocate for a U.S.-led military operation against the Bosnian Serbs.

"I took a stand that I believed was correct," he told Amanpour. "I didn't think it was so controversial."

But it would take three years -- and the massacre of 8,000 Muslim men and boys in the town of Srebrenica -- for Holbrooke to make his case within the Clinton administration.

1994: Rwanda

In Rwanda, where Hutu soldiers and militias massacred their Tutsi countrymen, the Clinton administration tried to avoid characterizing the ethnic slaughter as genocide.

According to an internal memo, the State Department worried that under the 1948 Genocide Convention, using the term "genocide" could force the U.S. "to actually 'do something.'"

The head of the U.N. peacekeeping force in Rwanda, Canadian Lt. Gen. Romeo Dallaire, begged for additional troops. Instead of reinforcements, Dallaire got an order to withdraw completely. He would not leave Rwanda.

"I refused a legal order," he told Amanpour, "but it was immoral." His tiny U.N. force was not enough to stop the slaughter of more than 800,000 people.

2003: Darfur

Some human rights advocates consider Darfur, the western region of Sudan, to be the scene of the first genocide of the 21st century.

CNN's Christiane Amanpour takes your questions about genocide in a 30-minute special on CNN.com Live
December 4, 1 p.m. ET

The atrocities in Darfur grow out of a civil war between rebels from Sudan's African tribes and the country's Arab-led government.

In 2003, when the rebels attacked government outposts in Darfur, a U.N. human rights monitor warned that in the "escalating conflict," Sudan's government may be "engaged in ... ethnic cleansing aimed at eliminating African tribes from Darfur."

At the time, world attention was on Iraq, where the United States was fighting to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The early warning on Darfur "disappeared into a big hole," according to Mukesh Kapila, then the U.N.'s top official in Sudan.

Even when the U.N. Security Council put Darfur on its agenda, it took more than three years to authorize a robust peacekeeping force.

"There was no lack of information," says activist Eric Reeves. "There was a lack of will to stop genocide."

In July, the prosecutor at the International Criminal Court accused Sudan's president of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, charges Sudan denies. Read the ICC prosecutor's charges (pdf)

How will history judge the world's response to Darfur?

"It will applaud the young people ... who believe in solidarity," says Wiesel. "It will certainly criticize the leaders of the world."

And the next time somebody screams bloody murder to stop a genocide, will anyone listen?
 

mbo

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Give it a break Fruit Loop.

All you're doing is attempting to grease the skids for Obama's modus operandi for his foreign policy - heavy involvement in nation-building and intervention in far-off civil wars.

Think of it as Bush III (on steroids). In places where we REALLY don't have any interests (like Africa).


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fruit loop

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All you're doing is attempting to grease the skids for Obama's modus operandi for his foreign policy - heavy involvement in nation-building and intervention in far-off civil wars.

No, that's your buddies Reagan, Shrub I, and Shrub II.

Remember that the Reagan administration trained and equipped Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. We all know how that turned out.

They meddled in Iraq and helped create the Hussein Horror.....then tried to "fix" their mistake with two wars.......and won't admit responsibility for failing at either.

And what's the result? The Middle East hates Americans. Gee, I wonder why.

Something should have been done about Bosnia, Rwanda, and Darfur.

Pick up a copy of "Tears of the Desert" by Dr. Halima Bashir.
 

mbo

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All you're doing is attempting to grease the skids for Obama's modus operandi for his foreign policy - heavy involvement in nation-building and intervention in far-off civil wars.

No, that's your buddies Reagan, Shrub I, and Shrub II.

Remember that the Reagan administration trained and equipped Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. We all know how that turned out. (YEP, the cost of fighting the war imploded the USSR and we won the Cold War)

They meddled in Iraq and helped create the Hussein Horror.....then tried to "fix" their mistake with two wars.......and won't admit responsibility for failing at either. (Yep, Iraq II was a disaster, but only a moron would have said the same for Iraq I, except for the part where we did not drive into Baghdad and finish the job)

And what's the result? The Middle East hates Americans. Gee, I wonder why. (Much of the Middle East loves the U.S., they just know better than to talk about it much)

Something should have been done about Bosnia, Rwanda, and Darfur. (Bull, we have ZERO interests there)

Pick up a copy of "Tears of the Desert" by Dr. Halima Bashir.

Like I said, greasing the skids for the great African saviour.

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FREEBIRD

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Well, I'm as big an opponent of Obama as you will ever want to meet, and I don't support genocide, ever, anywhere, nor do I think that it's OK to look the other way, not because we're Americans, but because we're human beings.
 

45nut

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Every example in that post is a case of "Democide".

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

20TH_C_MORTACRACIES.GIF


Educate yourself and study the pages there.
 

fruit loop

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You mean, the murderers in all those countries were Democrats? I thought Hitler, for instance, was a dictator.
 

Worrier King

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Genocide has shaped history and today's world. The natural leaders and superior cultures rise to the top as inferior cultures flounder into demise, or those cultures are exploited due to their being unable to manage themselves efficiently, or cannot adequately compete with other cultures.

It's part of the human condition.
 

fruit loop

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Yes, the inferior cultures deserve it....because they're inferior and less than human.

This despicable, EVIL premise has been used to justify genocide throughout history

Yeah, the Jews were inferior, and that's why Hitler gave them what they deserved. American Indians were inferior, and deserved to be slaughtered. Blacks are inferior, and deserved slavery. Cambodians are inferior, and deserved to be killed.....

SICK SICK SICK SICK
EVIL EVIL EVIL
 

Worrier King

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Yes, the inferior cultures deserve it....because they're inferior and less than human.

This despicable, EVIL premise has been used to justify genocide throughout history

Yeah, the Jews were inferior, and that's why Hitler gave them what they deserved. American Indians were inferior, and deserved to be slaughtered. Blacks are inferior, and deserved slavery. Cambodians are inferior, and deserved to be killed.....

SICK SICK SICK SICK
EVIL EVIL EVIL

Do you not see this very same type of behavior carried out by other creatures in the rest of the natural world you inhabit? Predators? Parasites? Producers?

You may judge it as wrong and evil FL, but that's the way nature is.
Better to address the issue through reality rather than whims of personal preference.

Maybe someday the lions will lay down with the lambs, but they aren't now and it's not the current reality. And would they be true Lions if trained to lay down with lambs, or would they become something else?

Best to understand the true nature of the beast if one intends to defy it. Judge it as wicked or evil if you want, people can still get away with that, but at least understand the true nature of the beast around you, not necessarily within you.

Most especially true for all of us whom inhabit this heart of the global Mammon.
 

mbo

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Yes, the inferior cultures deserve it....because they're inferior and less than human.

This despicable, EVIL premise has been used to justify genocide throughout history

Yeah, the Jews were inferior, and that's why Hitler gave them what they deserved. American Indians were inferior, and deserved to be slaughtered. Blacks are inferior, and deserved slavery. Cambodians are inferior, and deserved to be killed.....

SICK SICK SICK SICK
EVIL EVIL EVIL

You can try to validate sending American troops into Zimbabwe, or the Congo, or... (fill-in-the-blank with your favorite African hellhole) but you're just blowing smoke out your behind with total and utter hypocrisy. You're just covering your boy Obama's back-side.



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fruit loop

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Genocide and Natural Selection are not the same things, WK.

Genocide is morally wrong, and no intelligent human can believe otherwise.

MBO - blow me.
 

mbo

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Genocide and Natural Selection are not the same things, WK.

Genocide is morally wrong, and no intelligent human can believe otherwise.

MBO - blow me.

You need to get your mind off sex (gays, prostitution, requests for servicing,...), it seems to be a constant with you.

As for your defense of the coming global disaster that is "genocide interventionism" - COMPLETE and UTTER HYPOCRISY.

Sucks to be so incredibly wrong, eh?


Looks like your BOY is all lined up to be the great globalist, Bush III.


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Yes

genocide is morally wrong. Thinking that the US can or could interfere everywhere in the world is pig headed and unrealistic thinking.

Rawanda is about the only place on that long list that the US possibly should have interviened.

That was all out slaughter. Most of the others on that list are/were civil wars.

and mass slaughter is usually the norm in those kinds of conflicts. Much as you would like your personal picadillos to dictate policy FL, the reality is that the US can't and won't spend our blood and our treasure trying to 'fix' mankind.

You better get used to it. MUCH more of this is going to follow next year and all the years after it for a long long time and the US is going to be too damn broke to do much more than protect our National Interests.
 

Richard

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next will be genocide in Iran and Israel

what about genocide in the USSR, or don't the genocide records go back that far
 

Worrier King

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Genocide and Natural Selection are not the same things, WK.

Genocide is morally wrong, and no intelligent human can believe otherwise.

MBO - blow me.

Equality coerced and forced on the individual by government?

Your personal version of equality FL? Or maybe NOT your personal version, but a idea somebodies indoctrinated you into?

Regardless, no thanks.

Their exists a natural hierarchy of men. Cultures naturally clash. Superior cultures rise, inferior cultures fade away or go down in flames. History is incontrovertible evidence of it.

Your end result eventually would be a homogenized, generic global culture FL. A compliant Human Resource easily exploited by those who can force their version of equality on others, as people are reduced to the equality of the lowest common denominator.
 

fruit loop

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The ability to murder is not indicative of superiority, WK. The fact that some people become victims does not mean that they were culturally inferior, less intelligent, less moral, or less valuable.

Indoctrination? I grew up in a house with racist white trash. God blessed me with a brain and something approaching a moral character, and that's how I know that killing other human beings out of a sense of "might makes right" is wrong.

If we don't speak for the victims of genocide, then who will be left to speak for us if we need it?

MBO, you like to use the word suck a lot. I think perhaps we both are sex-obsessed? I wish you'd move on to someone else, though. We've discussed this before. I'm happily married, and you can't have me.
 

mbo

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The ability to murder is not indicative of superiority, WK. The fact that some people become victims does not mean that they were culturally inferior, less intelligent, less moral, or less valuable.

Indoctrination? I grew up in a house with racist white trash. God blessed me with a brain and something approaching a moral character, and that's how I know that killing other human beings out of a sense of "might makes right" is wrong.

If we don't speak for the victims of genocide, then who will be left to speak for us if we need it?

MBO, you like to use the word suck a lot. I think perhaps we both are sex-obsessed? I wish you'd move on to someone else, though. We've discussed this before. I'm happily married, and you can't have me.


Putting aside your "partner" - you just don't get it.

It's called globalism. If you don't see the hypocrisy you are exhibiting nothing more needs to be said. Like I said, this globalist interventionism is Bush III, no matter how you'd like to spin it.
 

Richard

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The ability to murder is not indicative of superiority, WK. The fact that some people become victims does not mean that they were culturally inferior, less intelligent, less moral, or less valuable.

Indoctrination? I grew up in a house with racist white trash. God blessed me with a brain and something approaching a moral character, and that's how I know that killing other human beings out of a sense of "might makes right" is wrong.

If we don't speak for the victims of genocide, then who will be left to speak for us if we need it?

MBO, you like to use the word suck a lot. I think perhaps we both are sex-obsessed? I wish you'd move on to someone else, though. We've discussed this before. I'm happily married, and you can't have me.

the Jews or muslims or blacks are just as capable of genocide as any white supremacist
apart from the Krauts and the US Govt, name white perpetrated crimes, guess you should not exclude the communists in the USSR who were all white
 

Worrier King

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The ability to murder is not indicative of superiority, WK.

Ummmm.... yes it is. At least until some other entity comes long with more power to coerce and force it's will upon people....and murder them if necessary. Or be benevolent. Either way, one culture is at the whim of the other and they are not equal.

It's the friggin' entire history of mankind FL.

One could make a claim about the tragedy of the genocide of Native Americans conducted by the European settlers. But the fact is Native Americans themselves murdered, and sometimes conducted genocide, upon each others tribes. And took lands from each other.

I didn't make these rules, that's just how it is. The very fact that your posting about genocide FL is itself proof of mans historical nature to commit genocide and how entire cultures are extinguished in the competition and clash of cultures.

I'd bet you'd say the genocide directed at perpetrators and idealism's of Nazism is a good thing, FL?

There's "x" amount of people and "x" amount of resources and there's competition for those resources, usually carried out by one culture against another. Those who obtain those resources survive, those who don't perish.
 
many

of the top commies in the USSR in the early days - when the mass slaughters were taking place - were Jewish - a fact of history that accounts for the very little press the Soviet massacres have gotten in the West since the end of WWII.

"guess you should not exclude the communists in the USSR who were all white"



history of mankind? we don't need no stinking history of mankind!!!
 

fruit loop

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I'd bet you'd say the genocide directed at perpetrators and idealism's of Nazism is a good thing, FL

No genocide was aimed at the perpetrators of Nazism. The ringleaders of Hitler's "final solution" were tried and punished for war crimes. The German people, and every single member of the Nazi party, were not held responsible and were not persecuted.
 
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