FARM The Famine Of 2009

Martin

Deceased
The Famine Of 2009 (updated 2x)
by Stranded Wind
Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 08:18:15 AM PST

Last week I received a very concerned call from South Dakota farmer and agronomist Bryan Lutter. "Neal, we're out of propane!" I figured this was personal distress – he and his family farm over three square miles of land and I know this has been a tough year for many people. He promptly corrected my misconception when I tried to console him. "No, everybody is out, all three grain elevators, we can't get fuel for the bins, and we're coming in real wet this year."

There are equally dramatic issues due to the bankruptcy of Verasun and the apparent insolvency of the nation's largest private crop insurance program. Payments that would have come in June or July of a normal year are still not dispersed at the end of November and this has grim implications for next year's crop.

I started digging into the details and unless I'm badly mistaken people are going to be starving in 2009 over causes and conditions being set down right now. It's a complex, interlocking issue, and I hope I've done a good job explaining it below the fold ...

Stranded Wind's diary :: ::
The Dakotas have faced fuel restrictions for at least the last two years. They're at the far end of the pipeline network and after complete outages in 2007 everyone orders their diesel well in advance. Vehicle tanks are kept fuller and the on farm tanks are not allowed to run low. Gasoline supply dynamics have changed as well; British Petroleum shuttered three hundred stations in the area, citing the high cost of trucking fuel to the locations from the pipeline terminals.

This year propane is in short supply. Rural homes in that part of the world are heated with propane and the grain elevator and on farm drying require it to bring corn moisture down for storage. There is no sense that homes will go cold this year, at least not due to supply issues; the grain drying season is a short period of intense usage that will draw to an end within the next week. Pray to whatever higher power you recognize that the unheard of figure of 18% of the crop still in the field is brought in before the snow flies.

The Dakotas were very wet this year and the corn is coming in at 22% moisture. A more usual number would be 18% and for long term storage it must be dried to 14% to avoid spoilage. That doubling in the moisture reduction needed, an 8% drop instead of 4%, pretty much doubles the amount of propane used. Right now the harvest is at a dead stop. What can be dried has been and what is left can't even be combined without the fuel to make it ready for storage; it would all just spoil in the bin if put up wet.

I wondered if this was a spot problem in that particular part of South Dakota, but Bryan said it was widespread – he'd talked to farmers as far away as St. Louis and they were reporting similar issues. I made a few calls to try to figure out how broad the problem was. I ended up talking to Rollin Tiefenthaler at fuel dealer Al's Corner in Carroll, Iowa about the issue.

The Iowa crop comes matures earlier and is brought in earlier, so that is done, but he confirms that propane is being trucked long distances because local terminals have outages. They did have one farmer's cooperative run out of propane and they scrambled to get them enough, but in general it wasn't a problem. These are plains cooperatives, operations with thirty employees, dozens of vehicles, and tens of millions of dollars in inventory and commodities under management, so one running out of fuel is a problem that would affect a whole county.

Diesel has been a bigger concern for them – instead of the thirty mile drive to the Magellan pipeline terminal in Milford they're running as far as Des Moines or Omaha, each about two hours away, and the added time and cost for running more trucks is eating them alive.

The die has already been cast in the Dakotas, they'll either get the crop in or they won't. If they don't and it winters in the field they not only lose 40% of the yield on that ground they lose 20% of next year's yield in soy beans. The corn makes an excellent snow fence, trapping drifts six feet high, and they're slow to clear in the spring. The farmers have to wait until it's dry enough to plant before they can finish bringing in the corn crop, then they plant their soy, and that delay cuts into the growing degree days available for the soy beans and thusly we see the yield drop.

A few of you might not be from farm state and thusly won't know the normal work flow. The corn crop is still partially in the field, but the soy beans are already done. Soy matures and dries earlier, so it gets tended first. There would never been an instance of soy being left to overwinter just based on crop timing and I don't think the small, thin stocks with relatively fragile pods would prove to be terribly durable under snow banks.

I wrote earlier about the famine potential we face due to the underfertilization of the wheat crop. Wheat that gets enough ammonia is 14% protein, if it is unfertilized closer to 8%, and that 43% reduction in total plant protein is going to cause unimaginable suffering in places like Egypt, where half of the population gets subsidized bread. Global end of season per capita wheat stocks have been about seventy pounds my entire life, except the last three years where they've dropped to only forty pounds. One mistake in this area and one of the four horsemen gets loose, certainly dragging his brothers along behind. That mistake may already have been made in the lack of wheat fertilization this fall.

The fall nitrogen fertilizer application has been 10% of the norm. A typical year would see 50% put on in the fall and 50% in the spring. During fertilizer application season the 3,100 mile national ammonia pipeline network runs flat out and the far points on the network experience low flow both fall and spring. If they try to jam 90% of the fertilization into a period of time when the system can only flow a little more than half of the need much of our cropland will go without in the spring of 2009.

Finances as much as weather are the issue with regards to fertilization this fall. Crop prices have fallen to half of what they were, ammonia prices have dropped but ammonia suppliers here, receiving 75% of their supply from overseas, still have product in their storage tanks purchase at the historical highs last spring and summer.

When farmers plant they record the acreage and they purchase crop insurance - $20 to $40 an acre depending on the crop. If they have a failure they file a claim, an adjustor contacts them, and they get a check to cover the deficit. Some of this runs through the U.S. Department of Agriculture and some of it is through private insurers.

My conversations with farmers earlier this week lead me to believe that the largest private insurer, Des Moines Iowa's Rain and Hail Agricultural Insurance may be insolvent. Flooding claims from this spring were filed and payments would have typically been received by the end of June or beginning of July. It's now the end of November and payments are not being dispersed. Individual farmers are told there was something wrong with their paperwork, but this is nonsense – some of these guys have been farming thirty years and they all didn't forget how to fill out a simple form all at the same time. Iowa did have its second five hundred year flood in a decade and a half this spring which certainly has something to do with the situation, but I suspect Wall Street's sticky fingers got hold of Rain & Hail's assets, just as they've done to every pension fund and state run municipal investment pool.

So, we're already facing what Bryan Lutter calls "the mother of all fertilizer shortages" next spring and on top of that local banks won't lend to farmers.

The local bank was quite willing to lend to a farmer on a crop despite the weather related risks just like they'd lend on a car despite the driving risks. So long as the asset was insured the risk was deemed manageable. There were sure to be losses here and there, but they'd be administrative hassles associated with well known risks. If the auto insurance companies were viewed as untrustworthy no one would be getting a car without 100% down at the dealership and the same rule is now in effect for farmers.

Farmers without financing can't afford nitrogen fertilizer at $1,000 a ton, which translates to $100 an acre at current application rates. They won't be paying $300 for a bag of 80,000 hybrid corn kernels, again a $100 per acre expense. The average farm size in Iowa is four hundred acres and planting to harvesting would run about $120,000.

This looks incredibly bad. Bryan and I are both puzzled as to why the mainstream media isn't covering this. Perhaps the need to sell Christmas season advertising trumps the need for the public to know about the troubles that are brewing.

This is already 1,600 words and I haven't even touched Verasun. Executive summary? The nation's second largest ethanol maker took corn from farmers, went bankrupt without paying many of them, and a whole lot of family farms are going to be foreclosed upon in short order if something isn't done.

Take Action

The instant the Obama administration and the 111th Congress take their seats, before anything is done about Detroit, before anything is done about pension funds caught up in Wall Street's massive fraud, yes, even before they touch universal health care SOMETHING has to be done to protect our agriculture system from the volatility flowing from Wall Street's death contortions. This won't be a giveaway – it'll be a genuine investment with known risks and known returns for products that will experience ongoing demand. We, as a nation must provide our farmers with a fair, stable financing and insurance system or we're all going to pay a terrible price.

If you're not in an agricultural state and you see something come up about a plan to address these issues please take the time to call or write your delegation members and let them know that you realize how important this is, even though it doesn't directly affect your state.

My Personal Action

Perhaps this is the first time you've ever noticed my work. I'm the executive director for the Stranded Wind Initiative, an organization founded to develop local uses for renewable energy in places that don't have transmission lines available. A few months back a small group of the volunteers from SWI formed Third Mode Energy, a commercial venture aimed at building renewable ammonia fertilizer plants. We're working on projects in New York, Iowa, South Dakota, Indiana, and I think one is going to start in Ohio. We're looking for about fifteen more sites nationally and we need local leaders to take these projects in hand. We're going to be producing a package of information on this for legislators and media figures active in environmental and economic issues which will be ready in the first few days of January, with the intent of getting some of that stimulus money directed at local, renewable ammonia production.

If your town is down and hurting we might just have a partial solution to the need for jobs and energy. We've got a group for more detailed discussion on Kossacks Networking.

If you look here you will see an article from last spring - our first attempt at plant development for renewable ammonia. That one didn't go but we learned a lot and the story should give you a sense of the renewable fertilizer, greenhouse produce, and other good things that come from such development.

If you look here you will see an article I did on wheat fertilization on The Cutting Edge News.

(UPDATE:

I've received the usual class of complaints about my dairy: You're trying to start a panic! You're totally not right about the facts! Etc, etc, etc. My only answer to this would be to point out the diary I did regarding Iceland's crash ... which called that one five months ahead of the real thing. Or all of the other stuff I've picked up from The Oil Drum or The Automatic Earth and written about well in advance of the Meat Stick Media(tm) picking up the story. I have a nice quick reference page with my first 192 diaries on it so you can flip through the titles on one screen if you'd care to go looking ...

I've received the usual suggestions about how our large scale grain production should be done organically. I have no ideological opposition to this and in fact I'm generally vegetarian and eat organic as much as I can lay my hands on it. The problem is that none of the proponents can describe to me what it would look like to cultivate an entire square mile in that fashion, let alone defining a plan that would allow a neat conversion of all of the forty to fifty thousand square miles of the state of Iowa to such methods. It's an admirable concept, but it doesn't seem executable. I do not at all accept that it's "big agriculture" keeping the farmers down. If there was a way to get similar yields without paying $100/acre for fertilizer and another $100/acre for seed the typical Iowa farmer with his 400 acres would be busy stuff an extra $80,000 a year into the bank. This is not the case today.

Kossack cordgrass is going to be disappeared to Guantanamo or worse for speaking the truth. Let's wish he or she a fond farewell:

Real news, useful news that could predict the future is no longer in the MSM, precisely because hedge fund managers and people like that make money on the future. Knowing what is going to happen in the future is money in the bank. The more people who know the future, the less money the investor will make.

Here is an article from The Grand Forks Herald about the propane shortage.

And here is a direct quote regarding the wheat fertilization. The set of numbers indicate a fertilizer with 18% nitrogen, 46% phosphorus, and in this case no potassium. The source was Bryan Lutter, my agronomist friend in South Dakota. I redacted the farmer's name because I don't have permission to publish it.

Neal,

It's very frustrating there is not enough news on the lack of news
surrounding the under-fertilization of USA wheat. Example, [NAME REDACTED] is a large farmer in New Underwood, SD. He normally uses 5 semi loads of MAP (18-46-0) in the fall for his wheat. He used just 1 this year. The wheat is in the ground, and the die cast.

He explained his reasoning for reduced use very well. The extra yield boost costs too much. It's actually cheaper to simply buy the extra bushels which the fertilizer would provide​
.

Bryan


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/27/11143/168/114/667032
 

Martin

Deceased
Farmers dealing with propane shortage

Posted: Nov 21, 2008 04:27 AM PST

FARGO, N.D. (AP) _ Eastern North Dakota farmers are running out of propane to fuel their corn-drying equipment.

Mike Rud, executive director of the North Dakota Propane Gas Association, says the corn drying activity after freeze-up is causing demand to exceed supplies.

Rud says demand is outstripping the capacity of a supply pipeline in Carrington that has operated for about a year.

The pipeline has a supply of 71,000 barrels of liquid propane a day but demand is at about 91,000 barrels a day.

Rud says the pipeline can fill a tanker out every 15 minutes, but it's not enough.

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Information from: Grand Forks Agweek, http://www.grandforks.com/mld/agweek/
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Changed... it's FAR more than just "getting a better price". Corn at 22% moisture will MOLD and ROT if anyone attempts to store it at that moisture. It would have to be fed *immediately* if it's not dried down- which isn't possible.

This is a huge problem in the making, and "profit motive" has little to do with it at this point. Well, except for the minimal "profits" which mean the difference between continuing to farm or losing the whole thing to foreclosure.

Summerthyme
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Man it keeps getting better and better. And unfortunately so few are listening to the alarm bells going off.
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
I would say in most years here in west central MN the corn harvest is pretty much done by the second week in November. Because of the cold spring, everything is late this year, I'd say corn harvest is maybe 25% complete.

We rented out about 70 acres this year. The renter tried combining the corn this last Tuesday, it was at 38% moisture! It will dry very little in the field now that things are frozen solid. He will most likely have to leave the corn stand until spring as it would cost too much to dry. The field losses from deer and other critters will hurt.
 

Woolly

Inactive
This matter is so fundamental to the nation's well being that everyone here should undertake to contact their Congress critter, and alert them to the crises in the making. I will be doing so!

IMO,

Woolly
 

lojoma

Veteran Member
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=9360434

In Iowa, we have two problems. The severe flooding this summer destroyed or severely limited harvest yields. The link above is outdated by a few days, Agriprocessors in Postville has been shut down for a few days now. Local farmers have no where to take their stock for processing; I forget the name of the bank, but they have agreed to provide feed for hundreds of thousands of chickens at several million dollars through the thanksgiving holiday as a loan, but no one knows what will happen next. This is really quite serious, folks. If I had a retreat, I would be going to it.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/united...ocessors_closed_now_wheres_the_beef_20081119/

Here is another link about the impact of this processing plant closing nationwide.
 

Martin

Deceased
Propane shortage hampers drying
Mikkel Pates
Grand Forks Herald - 11/20/2008
FARGO — Farmers in eastern North Dakota and beyond are desperately trying to bring in the high-moisture corn crop in the region, but are running into a liquid propane fuel shortage.

Mike Rud, executive director of the North Dakota Propane Gas Association, said the recent sudden resumption in the corn drying activity after freeze-up is causing demand to exceed supplies.

His association has reactivated requests to Gov. John Hoeven’s office, asking for a waiver that would allow truckers to work more than 11 hours in a day — as many as 15 hours or more — to deliver propane. But the problem is bigger than that.

Hoeven issued the executive order waiving service hour restrictions Thursday.

Rud said the biggest problem is that the demand is outstripping the capacity of the major supply pipeline in Carrington, N.D. There are five major pipelines that come off that terminal line, he said.

The pipeline has operated for about a year by the Kinder Morgan Cochin L.L.C., Rud said.

There were supply problems last year, but the company assured the association that those problems were solved.

The pipeline has a supply of 71,000 barrels a day and demand is about 91,000 barrels a day. The pipeline can push a tanker out every 15 minutes, but that isn’t enough, Rud said.

The propane supply had been an issue before a Nov. 8 snowstorm, but was helped after the governor granted a truck waiver for diesel truckers. The diesel-only waiver will expire Saturday. With the revived corn harvest, propane shortages have appeared and the association is seeking a waiver for both products.

“This is something we are monitoring very closely, trying to do all we can to bring adequate supply back into the marketplace,’’ Rud said.

Not everyone is completely out of propane.

Ken Astrup, general manager of Dakota Plains Cooperative in Valley City, N.D., said he hasn’t run out yet, but other suppliers have contacted him about buying the product.

Astrup said Dakota Plains has an arrangement to lease a truck from a western North Dakota cooperative. He had two loads coming Wednesday from Billings, Mont., and another from Sidney, Mont.

“For the guy that’s trying to get corn dried and can’t get propane when he wants it, it’s a huge deal,” Astrup said. He said he’s been taking care of his own propane customers. Most farmers he has talked to have been reasonable, but some — those who might purchase fertilizer, chemical and refined fuels, but get their propane elsewhere — have not understood that they can’t get propane from him on the spur-of-the-moment.

Astrup said suppliers sometimes simply can’t keep up with demands for trucking, as they might use the same tractors to haul different trailers with petroleum products, anhydrous ammonia and liquid propane. “It could be their growers are using more than they thought they would.”



http://www.grandforksherald.com/art...OKEN=49757583&jsessionid=883072d99d961b254439
 

Navajo

Inactive
And I just the read the book "TheWorst Hard Time" by Timothy Egan about the Dust Bowl and the depression and in part it talks about how food was piling up in the farm communities while people in the cities sarved.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
This information TRANSFORMS THE PROBABILITY OF AN APPROACHING AMERICAN FAMINE FROM WILD TINFOIL RANTING AND UNSUBSTANTIATED SPECULATION TO FACTUALLY BACKED EARLY WARNING!

THIS post has moved me to order canned wheat, lots of it.
 

lojoma

Veteran Member
Wanted to add that although Postville Agriprocessers made speciality Kosher products, the experience of those cosumers; sometimes food is available, somtimes not will become commonplace in general I predict due to the combined economic and weather related hardships facing agriculture. It's not your grandfather's depression, folks, the sense of entitlement and rage that will overwhelm those already dependent on things like food banks will result in violence unprecedented.

Anecdotally speaking, we do the Scouting for Food every year. Last year, we boxed and delivered over 10,000 food items for our food bank, this year it was closer to 5000 and most of that was stuff like mushroom soup etc. Scouters were sitting around the collection center with nothing do, in the past 7 years I've done it, its always been a flurry and rush of activitiy like crazy, literally we could not keep up in the past, this year, nothing to do.
 

Martin

Deceased
Hoeven waives restrictions for propane carriers
The Jamestown Sun
Published Friday, November 28, 2008

Gov. John Hoeven issued an executive order today waiving service-hour restrictions for commercial truck drivers hauling propane.


The order is effective immediately and will remain in effect until 11:59 p.m. on Dec. 15 or for the duration of the emergency. All road safety and vehicle compliance regulations still apply and will be fully enforced.


Hoeven issued the order to help ensure adequate supplies of propane as farmers continue to harvest and dry their crops in light of delays resulting from significant precipitation this fall. Farmers have harvested only about half of their corn crops and are harvesting higher moisture grain, resulting in an increased demand for propane to dry the grain to proper levels for storage


http://www.jamestownsun.com/articles/index.cfm?id=76087&section=News
 

Martin

Deceased
Hoeven waives restrictions for propane carriers
The Jamestown Sun
Published Friday, November 28, 2008

Gov. John Hoeven issued an executive order today waiving service-hour restrictions for commercial truck drivers hauling propane.


The order is effective immediately and will remain in effect until 11:59 p.m. on Dec. 15 or for the duration of the emergency. All road safety and vehicle compliance regulations still apply and will be fully enforced.


Hoeven issued the order to help ensure adequate supplies of propane as farmers continue to harvest and dry their crops in light of delays resulting from significant precipitation this fall. Farmers have harvested only about half of their corn crops and are harvesting higher moisture grain, resulting in an increased demand for propane to dry the grain to proper levels for storage


http://www.jamestownsun.com/articles/index.cfm?id=76087&section=News
 

Martin

Deceased
Hoeven seeks agriculture disaster declaration
Associated Press, Grand Forks Herald
Published Friday, November 28, 2008

BISMARCK — Gov. John Hoeven wants the U.S. agriculture secretary to declare 39 counties in North Dakota as disaster areas.

Hoeven made the request today to U.S. Agriculture Secretary Ed Schafer, former North Dakota governor. If Schafer approves the request, some federal assistance would be available for farmers and ranchers affected both by drought and wet weather.

Hoeven says Hoeven says he made the request due to dry conditions in the western and central part of the state, coupled with late season rain and snow in some eastern counties that has slowed the harvesting of sugar beets, corn and soybeans.



Gov. John Hoeven participated in a community economic rally in Fargo today. “We recognize there are problems with the national economy, but we have a very, very strong focus on economic development and we are going to continue that focus," he said today in Fargo.

Hoeven says damage assessment reports justify a disaster declaration.

A disaster declaration would make agricultural producers and business people eligible for emergency low-interest loans and debt restructuring from the USDA and the Small Business Administration

http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=94991&section=homepage
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Firebird... no, there are limits to how many hours in a day truck drivers can drive.

However, while I can see the sense of this, I'll admit to it making me nervous- those rules were put in for a reason; so truck drivers aren't driving after they're too tired/getting sleepy. And drivers of PROPANE tankers sure aren't the ones you want falling asleep at the wheel!

Summerthyme
 

Oldotaku

Veteran Member
Around me, most of the crops are in, although there's a lot of grumbling about high moisture, low yield, and low prices. One thing I don't hear complaints about is lack of storage.

A lot of hog manure is being spread this fall, making the "factory farm" hog lots somewhat more popular, at least with the farmers. However, one "honey wagon" through town will curl your nose hairs from the stench. I don't know how the guys spreading the stuff all day long for weeks can stand it.

When I called my propane company to get my tank topped off, they told me they wouldn't deliver less than 250 gallons, or roughly half my storage tank. I've been cooking a lot at home and running the furnace, trying to get below half-tank, but I'm still not there, and I'm about to leave for Phoenix. I'm going to have to cut some kind of deal with the supplier to get a delivery while I'm away.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Ain't,

You don't need to buy canned wheat. Just get it in the double-bagged Walton Feeds packaging and you will be fine, unless you have to store it in some very wet location. We are using wheat we have had on the porch since 1999 and it is super fine. Some is sealed in buckets in the basement, but if you have a dry location you can store it with no problem.

Sounds like it's time to top things off. Don't forget to buy veggie seeds as soon as ya can.

regards,

Garryowen
 

KerryAnn

Inactive
Does anyone know if any other crops besides corn and wheat are potentially affected? particularly oats or rice? We're allergic to wheat and use other grains, so I'm concerned.
 

UncurledA

Inactive
In Ohio, weather at head fill was far less than ideal, almost no rain statewide from early August to mid-October. This hurt yields, as well as the freak hurricane winds we got from Ike !! Lots of corn lodged and down; the add-on reels saved the day for 90% of that, but on balance, our average yields were projected to be down 30-40%. So, OH won't be rushing in to save the day.

Why are prices dropping ? It scares me that it could be ignorant speculators doing this to prices, encouraging export and other misuse of the remaining crop.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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KerryAnn... ALL crops are "potentially affected". Simply because agriculture is a highly interconnected enterprise, and farmers are generally not locked into growing any specific crop. So, if soybean prices are high (and soy requires less fertilizer than corn, because it's a legume), many farmers will switch to soy. Weather plays a factor as well; if farmers can't get into the fields to plant winter wheat at the proper time in the fall, they'll end up planting a spring crop of some kind instead- corn, soy, whatever.

That said... there are a few incorrect statements in the article (the one about the protein in the wheat being cut by close to half if nitrogen isn't applied is WRONG), and you can't assume that because one area or region is having problems that the entire nationwide crop is bad. Our hay supplier in NY state is having problems- his corn crop is SO heavy, he's having to gear down the combine to the lowest possible speed, and is still struggling to harvest it.

Prices have dropped partially because we have had good crops (on average, nationwide) and partially because the rise in prices was based mostly on a speculator's bubble.

I'm not saying there aren't potential problems on the horizon, but I don't see "famine" in the works for the US in 2009. That will be little comfort to the people who can't afford the generally higher prices in the grocery store (which likely won't go down, even though the basic ingredients HAVE dropped in price overall). And we certainly are on a razor's edge of balance between supply and demand, and one bad crop year *overall* (which MAY happen next year, if farmers can't get the credit they need to plant, and/or if the fertilizer prices don't moderate damned quickly) will likely tip us over into the "bad side" of that balance.

However, some of the reduction in herds/flocks due to the higher cost of feeding them will likely free up SOME of the grain/acres currently devoted to livestock feed, letting it go into the human food chain (directly, instead of as meat later). That, of course, will mean higher prices on meat, eggs and milk. We're certainly heading towards a time (which I've expected for 20+ years) where food may be priced at it's true value. People aren't going to like that.

Summerthyme
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
the farmer isn't getting the money even when prices go up in the shops.

The trouble today is very often the farmer isn't getting the money even when prices go up in the shops.

Your average worker in China now is working for food and very little else. Your average farmer even in the better areas has very little spending power. Something like $300 US a year. If you drive through farming areas here and see the simple brick homes that most farmers live in you will find that they have built it through working in factories for most of the year.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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CC- I'm a dairy farmer. Tell me about it!! Our milk price is actually about 25% LOWER than it was in 2007... but our expenses were nearly DOUBLE (for everything from hay and grain to diesel, fertilizer (that was TRIPLE), machine parts, vet medicines...)

Hubby worked full time off the farm for 13 years. He would work 40 hours a week at his "town job" and another 50-75 hours a week on the farm. I milked, fed, kept the garden, did the vet work, did field work...

When we got the mortgage paid off, I said "enough". It was *nice* to not have to worry about paying the bills every month, but it wasn't going to keep me warm at night if he died young from overwork! With no debt, we're able to work around the "hard" years in terms of lower income, etc.. and because we grow almost all of our own food, do our own medical care, etc, we can live very frugally if our net income drops. And when we have good years (2007 was a very good year) we put money away, and use it for anything from upgrading machinery (always badly needed) to building farm stuff (the new heifer barn was paid for with cash, over a two year span) to (way too low on the priority list!) finishing up the interior of our house.

But it really bugs me to see that the butter price, for example, has actually RISEN in the store in the past 6 months, although our farm price for butter fat dropped by HALF since October 2007!

As a couple of my kids always said "I wanna be a middle-man when I grow up! They make all the money, and don't do any of the work"!!

Summerthyme
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't see the problem. A 400 acre farm is foreclosed, bid deal. A developer will come in, buy up that land and turn it into subdivisions providing work for illegals building the homes, tax revenue for corrupt local politicians, obscene profits for wall street slicing and dicing the housing loans and we will just import tainted food from china to make up for what the farm produced. /sarcasm
 

hoss

Out to lunch
This is a very important thread and deserves a bump. Thanks to Martin for the research.

Prepare accordingly.
 

TECH32

Inactive
So, if I understand this correctly, a portion of the corn crops won't get dried (it says they're not meeting propane demand - not that there is no propane at all).

Also, if that remaining corn can't be dried, it must be turned to feed immediately or it could rot (not sure how something that would freeze solid in the winter would rot but I'll take their word for it).

Wouldn't that mean slightly higher costs for corn based products and lower costs of feed for farmers who use the corn for feed?

If that's true, then it is HARDLY a "famine". Some foodstuffs will be more expensive (those that use corn) and some foodstuffs will be less expensive (due to lower feed costs).

So where is the emergency???
 

Martin

Deceased
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20081129/BUSINESS/811290318/1029/BUSINESS



Uncertainty surrounds harvest
By DAN PILLER • dpiller@dmreg.com • November 29, 2008

As they finish one of the latest harvests in memory, Iowa farmers now are drying their high-moisture corn and figuring what to do with what is expected to be the second-largest corn crop in history.

Cash prices have dropped to state averages of $3.27 per bushel for corn and $8.20 per bushel for soybeans, well below what farmers said they need to be profitable. Matters have been made worse, they said, by unusually wet corn that has required expensive drying.


"My (liquid propane) costs went through the roof," said veteran farmer Tim Burrack of Arlington in northeast Iowa. He said some of his corn came in with moisture percentages as high as 26 percent, more than 10 points above what most elevators will take.

Drying costs an average of 5 cents per bushel per percentage point needed to get to the 15 percent optimal level.

The plunge in corn and soybean prices has left Iowa farmers with little urgency to sell. Burrack said he'll keep most of his corn and soybeans "until next season," to wait for better prices.

Chad Mussig, who farms near Gladbrook, sold about one-third of this year's crop last summer in the futures market.

"I'm still trying to figure out the market," he said. "Everybody says they want to hold on to the crop, but I wonder if there's much benefit to holding."

Another question
Farmers face another question as they finish what has been a late harvest due to wet conditions in both spring and fall. Fertilizer costs, which have doubled in the last 18 months, are uncertain because grain elevators bought their fertilizer inventories earlier this year at the top of the market and need top prices to recoup their costs.

Meanwhile, predictions abound that fertilizer prices will come down by spring before planting because of the 50 percent drop in the price of natural gas, which is the main feedstock for nitrogen fertilizer. But Burrack isn't sure.

"I hear it both ways," he said. "There are those who say prices for fertilizer will come down and those who say they won't. You can't be sure."

Iowa farmers to forefront
By all accounts, Iowa farmers have done their part to produce what is expected to be the second-largest corn crop and fourth-largest soybean crop in U.S. history, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Iowa will produce about 2.2 billion bushels of an expected 12.3 billion bushel U.S. corn crop. The state's soybean yield of 437.1 million bushels will be part of a 2.97 billion bushel U.S. crop.

But the markets in which farmers sell have been wracked by the same international financial turmoil that has driven down the credit and equity markets. Also, a softening of foreign export markets for American grain caused a wave of bearishness to wash over the Chicago Board of Trade.

"We were looking at a negative year anyway as we went into the fall," said Sue Martin, a commodities broker in Webster City. "The collapse of the equity market was just the icing on the cake."

Martin said the massive bailout by the federal government will prove to be inflationary, even hyperinflationary, in the long run. That eventually will weaken the dollar, make U.S. grains more attractive on export markets and push up prices.

"We could see $5 corn by spring and maybe even $6 corn if there are weather issues in the U.S. again by spring or summer," Martin said.

"I still think ag is the safest and best investment people can make. But the outside market forces have caused a lot of uncertainty."

Wheat crop an impact
Martin and brokers said that in 2007 and early this year, U.S. grain markets were helped by a poor wheat crop worldwide, which forced cattle feeders abroad to buy American corn for feed. The return of a normal wheat crop in the rest of the world will "force American farmers to compete," she said.

Another worrisome factor for farmers and commodities brokers is the status of the ethanol industry. The bankruptcy of VeraSun Energy has weakened what has been a strong part of the corn market. The rest of the industry is struggling with ethanol prices that have fallen by 50 percent since summer, which makes the plants less able or willing to bid up corn prices for feedstock for their plants.

Burrack said he has sold some corn to VeraSun's ethanol plant at Dyersville, which closed earlier this month as the ethanol producer's cash crunch worsened.

"They had been a strong market for me, and now they're gone," Burrack said. "That isn't good for the corn market."
 

LMonty911

Inactive
tech, youre talking about huge granaries filled with corn seed. It generates heat, like a compost pile if its moist. With high moisture, the seed grows fungus. That seed is spoiled for feed or food, the fungus is often quite bad for anything eating it, has resulted in lots of livestock deaths in the past from improperly cured grain.

take the corn out of the system (due to ethanol use spoilage, etc), and other feed costs dont go down-they go up, based on supply and demand. In the last 16 mos or so, feed costs have gone up close to 40 or 45% in my area. Already. lots of folks have downsized herds. Thats a flush of animals in the system, but the cost to the consumer still goes up, say on beef, because you know what feeedlots us to finish their calves to market- yep, grain, lots of it corn.

then the crop of animals for market next year is lower, because the farmers already cut their stock down. Prices for the cow calf operators rise a bit- but only if grain prices have slacked off, because feedlots buy fewer to finish and the demand is lower if grain prices are still high.

Its nowhere near as simple as what youre thinking, its a really complex interrelationship. The system is fairly robust- but theres trickle down effects of all kinds. Right now, theres some very hairy slow downs at the feedlots because of the tightening up of operational credit the economic panic is causing.

it really does look like theres going to be issues with livestock production and getting the food to market, without this. raising prices for the consumer, and decreasing profit for the producer. add the idjits wanting to tax livestock for carbon credits with ridiculous per head costs- if they get that through, well, I hope you have lots of rice and beans stored up....
 

LC

Veteran Member
Well, I do question fertilizer for wheat in the Dakotas in the fall. They raise spring planted wheat. Maybe they are putting down fertilizer ahead of planting but I doubt that far ahead. That said most of the report is somewhat scary.

However, here in Kansas we have had a fantastic milo crop. There are large piles of it on the ground in many small town in farm country. The elevators are full of corn and soy and they can't get it hauled out to the terminals fast enough so the milo goes on the ground. Actually it will keep very well there. It forms a crust on the outside and very little is lost. Milo is used in feed rations instead of corn and is also used for ethanol. In fact it is priced based on the corn price on the Board of Trade. Milo is not traded.

LC
 

Martin

Deceased
Might as well put fertilizer into the mix


Cross Country: Fertilizer dilemma cropping up for farmers
John L. Oncken — 11/28/2008 12:44 pm

The words buyers' strike are being quietly heard across Wisconsin and the corn belt. It's being bandied about by grain farmers who are finding out that farm fertilizer is high-priced and this year's grain crop -- still in the field or in elevators -- is only worth about half of what it was a few months ago.

Farmers who traditionally would have bought next year's fertilizer by now aren't buying. Mostly they are pondering what they should do to raise corn profitably next year.

Perhaps something that is a bit of a secret outside of the farming community is that grain farmers are in deep trouble. They are wondering where they are going to get the money or make the adjustments needed to properly fertilize the crops that will go in next spring.


Remember last winter when several nonfarm groups issued news releases blaming the rising price of bread and food on the increased acres of corn raised to feed the nations ethanol plants?

Corn rose in price to $6, $7 and even $8 per bushel, and corn farmers finally got over the break-even point and made some money raising corn.

Diesel fuel and gasoline to run tractors and cars rose to record highs, and we all worried how we would be able to get to work and the grocery store. Some farmers contracted in advance for diesel fuel at $3.50 per gallon with gasoline equally as high.

Things have sure changed in the past six months. Wheat used to bake bread has dropped from more than $20 a bushel to less than $6. Corn is now being sold to local elevators for $3.30 per bushel rather than $6, and diesel and gasoline have dropped from $4 to under $2.

That's good, most folks will say. Food will be cheap again, our bread will drop in price and our corn flakes will go way down -- yippee!

Wait a minute. Not so fast. Will that actually happen?

We'll know more in a month or three when the economics shake out. We already know that the price of many food products went up but for reasons other than the price of grain. The cost of the corn in the corn flakes is so puny that it hardly matters what the corn price actually is.

According to the Wisconsin Corn Growers Association, corn is selling for half the price of last spring -- yet an 18-ounce box of corn flakes, which contains less than 4 cents worth of corn, has not dropped in price. And retail grocery prices are actually 8 percent higher today than they were last year.

Does anyone understand that? Probably not.

The Wisconsin Corn Growers also concludes: 1) There is no scientific correlation between the price of corn and supermarket food prices and 2) There is no correlation between the price of corn and the price of ethanol.

Nevertheless, many so-called experts continue to blame corn used for ethanol as the reason for consumers higher food bills. This just doesn't add up, the Corn Growers say. And farmers, industry groups and government officials are asking for explanations.

Jim Sutter is president of the Wisconsin Crop Production Association. He is also co-owner with Warren Loofboro of Bullseye Ag Service at Edgerton, providers of fertilizer and seed to farmers in Dane, Rock and Green counties.

Sutter outlines how the basic farm fertilizers -- nitrogen, phosphorus and potash -- have indeed jumped in price in one year's time. A year ago nitrogen sold for $250 a ton, today it's $500; phosphorus rose from $475 to $1200 and potash went from $300 to $900. That's an increase of from 100 percent to 300 percent!

World demand plays a part in the price increase, Sutter says. China, India, Brazil and Argentina are raising more food for their people who have left farms for the city.

Suppliers have a very short window in which to lay in supplies of fertilizer that we buy as individual ingredients and that the farmer purchases as a mixture, Sutter explains. Potash comes from Canada, Russia and the Mideast. Phosphorus comes from the Carolina, Florida and Russia. Nitrogen starts as natural gas. All of these sources face tighter environmental rules and demand for other uses.

We had to buy the basic products this summer when the prices were high. Now the prices are falling and we're caught between the market, and the farmer and some suppliers may take some big losses, Sutter says. If the farmer puts off buying this fall or prior to Dec. 31, he may lose the tax deduction for 2008. And perhaps we will not be able to fill all the orders if farmers all hold off until spring to commit.

Our farmers were aggressive for us to contract fertilizer materials this summer when prices were high, says Jim Shelton, Agronomy Division Manager at Landmark Services Cooperative, Juda. We all thought it was the thing to do with prices on the rise, then in September it all fell apart. All the dealers in Wisconsin are full of fertilizer with sales about half of normal.

Gasoline and diesel constantly move through the system, and the high prices were soon replaced by lower prices, Shelton explained. Most farm fertilizer is used in the spring so the high-priced product is still in storage and has yet to be sold.

Farmers are approaching the fertilizer dilemma in many ways. Here's a sampling:

For the first time ever, I'm not contracting this fall, I'm going to price-shop, says an eastern Wisconsin dairyman.
I'm going to wait awhile, then decide, a DeForest farmer says.
I did a lot of soil testing and found out I could cut back on my potash, a Cambridge grain farmer says.

I'm lucky, we milk 800 cows and have a lot of manure, a Dane farmer says.
We contracted our corn at a high price and paid for our fertilizer already, so we came out pretty even, a Evansville farmer says.
We won't quit using fertilizer, but we apply it carefully and use variable rate technology, a Dodge County grain farmer says. Our business is raising a good crop and hoping that the other factors like weather, government and price fall in place. One of the things you learn in farming is that you win a few and lose a few, that's the way it is.

One of the results of the high fertilizer prices is the increasing value of manure on Wisconsin livestock farms. Dairy producers have a built-in fertilizer supply and do all they can to apply manure at the right time and place. While many nonfarmers see manure as an nuisance and something to remove from sight, smell and soil, farmers see it as money just as they have for more than a hundred years.

Jr. Manthe is a cash grain grower at DeForest who is vice president of the Landmark Service Board. He says he saw the fertilizer/cropping trainwreck coming. A farmer must pay for seed, land, machinery, fertilizer and chemicals out of income from a bushel of corn, he says. When a bushel of corn sells for half of what it was a few months ago and the imputs are still high, it's a big challenge. That's where we are now.

No one knows what the next few months hold for grain farmers.

Chances are there will be some losses on the supplier end as they are caught with high-priced fertilizer in storage with possibly lower sales looming. (Note: at some point this will have to be sold.)

Farmers will use a myriad of approaches to cut costs, but they know corn needs fertilizer to produce a decent crop.

UW Extension Agronomist Joe Lauer admits answers are unclear, but the 2009 corn crop will be the most expensive one ever. He agrees 20,000 or more corn growers in the state will do the best they can, and that will probably be pretty good.

Thankfully, farmers know how to raise crops in spite of severe financial challenges to keep us all fed. And they'll do it without an MBA from a major university, rather from experience gained from riding a tractor and running a combine.

John F. Oncken is owner of Oncken Communications, a Madison-based agricultural information and consulting company. He can be reached at 608-222-0624 or e-mail him at jfodairy@chorus.net.

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