GOV/MIL GAG ALERT: Dems pushing for return of equal-time rules ("Fairness Doctrine")

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Dems pushing for return of equal-time rules

Limbaugh, Hannity among talk radio hosts railing against Fairness Doctrine
By Paul Bond
Hollywood Reporter

updated 11:56 a.m. CT, Wed., Nov. 26, 2008

LOS ANGELES - The Fairness Doctrine, which forced broadcasters to offer equal time to both sides of controversial issues, was abolished in 1987, paving the way for talk radio to take the opinionated — and popular — form it has today.

Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and such influential Democratic senators as Barbara Boxer and Chuck Schumer are pushing for its return, or something like it. Could the equal-time provisions pull a Don Imus and make a radio comeback?

It could, industry insiders say. And the government-mandated programing restrictions that come with it could hobble an already struggling industry. Talk-radio hosts are unlikely to accept a new Fairness Doctrine without a fight, though. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are among those already railing against it daily.

By some estimates, conservatives on talk radio dominate liberals by a ratio of 10-to-1, hence the call by some liberals to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. But Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., inserted language into the Federal Communications Commission's current budget barring it from being reinstated this year.

With the year drawing to an end and Barack Obama moving into the White House, talk about the Fairness Doctrine has heated up. Obama likely will name a new FCC chairman and make Democrats a majority on the five-person panel for the first time in eight years.

Addressing imbalance

Obama has called on Henry Rivera, who was a commissioner in the 1980s when the Fairness Doctrine existed, to oversee the FCC transition process. Rivera is a supporter of bringing back the provisions. And heading Obama's overall transition team is John Podesta, head of liberal think tank the Center for American Progress. Last year, the CAP issued a report called "The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio."

While the CAP stopped short of advocating a return of the Fairness Doctrine, it did support more stringent adherence to so-called localism, which critics consider a back door to requiring that stations ditch some of their conservative hosts.

The FCC is considering the matter now, weighing such questions as whether to require stations to create "community advisory boards" made up of "local officials and other community leaders." The boards would tell radio executives whether the content they broadcast is adequately addressing the needs of the community, subject to the board's interpretation.

"The disparities between conservative and progressive programing reflect the absence of localism in American radio," the CAP said. The group suggests that radio broadcast licenses be renewed every three years instead of eight and that stations that don't prove they are operating "on behalf of the public interest" be denied license renewals or be fined.

Podesta suggests that fines would go to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which operates National Public Radio. He figures that the fees could amount to a $250 million annual transfer of wealth from radio companies to the CPB.

Podesta presented his ideas to a group of Democratic senators, including California's Dianne Feinstein. The group tossed around ideas like the Fairness Doctrine, localism and reducing the size of radio conglomerates, all in the name of making talk radio more "progressive," said Stephanie Miller, an attendee of the meeting.

"With Democrats in control, it's a whole new ballgame, and hopefully it will be good for progressive radio," said Miller, a popular liberal talk-radio host.


Miller said she's against the Fairness Doctrine and localism but noted that something needs to be done to encourage radio stations to include more liberals on their talent rosters. "I can't make the kind of money on 60 stations that (Sean) Hannity makes on 600. That's the kind of fairness I'm talking about," she joked.

Profit concerns

Some radio executives fear that fines would further strain an already struggling industry. Shares of such publicly traded radio companies as Salem Communications, Citadel Broadcasting and Cumulus Media are all down more than 90 percent in the past year amid a continuing advertising slump and a weak U.S. economy.

If the Fairness Doctrine, or a version of it, returns, radio insiders say stations might opt to alter their formats entirely rather than dump some of their talk hosts for ones with less marketable track records in order to provide equal airtime to different views.

"A Fairness Doctrine wouldn't be a death knell, just Stage 3 cancer," said Tom Tradup, vice president news/talk at family- and religion-oriented station group Salem.

But localism is actually a bigger threat because the FCC could introduce it without being accused of trampling on free speech, radio host Michael Medved said. "The Fairness Doctrine is outrageous, but our chances of stopping it are excellent," he said.

Obama, for one, has said he opposes the Fairness Doctrine but supports localism.

Not surprisingly, trade association the National Association of Broadcasters is against any measures that would cast clouds over its members' ability to air profitable content, no matter what the political orientation.

"I don't want to sound sappy," NAB spokesman Dennis Wharton said, "but that's bad for America. Who thinks the government should limit free speech?"

Talk-show host Glenn Beck has been a passionate opponent of the Fairness Doctrine and localism. "Talk radio is the only format where the audience can immediately talk back," he said. "Instead of trying to silence their voices, politicians should start listening to them."

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URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27928193/
 

citybear

Inactive
Dems pushing for return of equal-time rules

Limbaugh, Hannity among talk radio hosts railing against Fairness Doctrine
By Paul Bond
Hollywood Reporter

updated 11:56 a.m. CT, Wed., Nov. 26, 2008

LOS ANGELES - The Fairness Doctrine, which forced broadcasters to offer equal time to both sides of controversial issues, was abolished in 1987, paving the way for talk radio to take the opinionated — and popular — form it has today.

Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and such influential Democratic senators as Barbara Boxer and Chuck Schumer are pushing for its return, or something like it. Could the equal-time provisions pull a Don Imus and make a radio comeback?

It could, industry insiders say. And the government-mandated programing restrictions that come with it could hobble an already struggling industry. Talk-radio hosts are unlikely to accept a new Fairness Doctrine without a fight, though. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are among those already railing against it daily.

By some estimates, conservatives on talk radio dominate liberals by a ratio of 10-to-1, hence the call by some liberals to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. But Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., inserted language into the Federal Communications Commission's current budget barring it from being reinstated this year.

With the year drawing to an end and Barack Obama moving into the White House, talk about the Fairness Doctrine has heated up. Obama likely will name a new FCC chairman and make Democrats a majority on the five-person panel for the first time in eight years.

Addressing imbalance

Obama has called on Henry Rivera, who was a commissioner in the 1980s when the Fairness Doctrine existed, to oversee the FCC transition process. Rivera is a supporter of bringing back the provisions. And heading Obama's overall transition team is John Podesta, head of liberal think tank the Center for American Progress. Last year, the CAP issued a report called "The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio."

While the CAP stopped short of advocating a return of the Fairness Doctrine, it did support more stringent adherence to so-called localism, which critics consider a back door to requiring that stations ditch some of their conservative hosts.

The FCC is considering the matter now, weighing such questions as whether to require stations to create "community advisory boards" made up of "local officials and other community leaders." The boards would tell radio executives whether the content they broadcast is adequately addressing the needs of the community, subject to the board's interpretation.

"The disparities between conservative and progressive programing reflect the absence of localism in American radio," the CAP said. The group suggests that radio broadcast licenses be renewed every three years instead of eight and that stations that don't prove they are operating "on behalf of the public interest" be denied license renewals or be fined.

Podesta suggests that fines would go to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which operates National Public Radio. He figures that the fees could amount to a $250 million annual transfer of wealth from radio companies to the CPB.

Podesta presented his ideas to a group of Democratic senators, including California's Dianne Feinstein. The group tossed around ideas like the Fairness Doctrine, localism and reducing the size of radio conglomerates, all in the name of making talk radio more "progressive," said Stephanie Miller, an attendee of the meeting.

"With Democrats in control, it's a whole new ballgame, and hopefully it will be good for progressive radio," said Miller, a popular liberal talk-radio host.


Miller said she's against the Fairness Doctrine and localism but noted that something needs to be done to encourage radio stations to include more liberals on their talent rosters. "I can't make the kind of money on 60 stations that (Sean) Hannity makes on 600. That's the kind of fairness I'm talking about," she joked.

Profit concerns

Some radio executives fear that fines would further strain an already struggling industry. Shares of such publicly traded radio companies as Salem Communications, Citadel Broadcasting and Cumulus Media are all down more than 90 percent in the past year amid a continuing advertising slump and a weak U.S. economy.

If the Fairness Doctrine, or a version of it, returns, radio insiders say stations might opt to alter their formats entirely rather than dump some of their talk hosts for ones with less marketable track records in order to provide equal airtime to different views.

"A Fairness Doctrine wouldn't be a death knell, just Stage 3 cancer," said Tom Tradup, vice president news/talk at family- and religion-oriented station group Salem.

But localism is actually a bigger threat because the FCC could introduce it without being accused of trampling on free speech, radio host Michael Medved said. "The Fairness Doctrine is outrageous, but our chances of stopping it are excellent," he said.

Obama, for one, has said he opposes the Fairness Doctrine but supports localism.

Not surprisingly, trade association the National Association of Broadcasters is against any measures that would cast clouds over its members' ability to air profitable content, no matter what the political orientation.

"I don't want to sound sappy," NAB spokesman Dennis Wharton said, "but that's bad for America. Who thinks the government should limit free speech?"

Talk-show host Glenn Beck has been a passionate opponent of the Fairness Doctrine and localism. "Talk radio is the only format where the audience can immediately talk back," he said. "Instead of trying to silence their voices, politicians should start listening to them."

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URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27928193/

So tell me folks, what is wrong with reinstating the fairness doctrine?

People are constantly whining about the "liberal" or "conservative" media. The reinstatement of this old rule will ensure that no station can be a mouthpiece for any special interest group or political party.

It does not need to affect any individual show host. Rush can be as conservative as he's always been. But if he gets 3 hours on a station, it would be balanced with a liberal host for 3 hours on the same station. Everyone gets a fair shout at espousing their opinion to the public.

The localism rules being reinstated again will also be a good thing. This will ensure that you know what is going on in your neighborhood, instead of getting news "highlights" from some homogenized source.

I just don't understand how those of you who decry the supression of free speech rights could possibly be against any of this.

I have been a broadcaster for many years, and have watched the quality and credibility of our industry melt away with the relaxation and removal of most regulation.

I would welcome it all back. Any day.

Just a POV from someone "in the business."
 

ichoric

Senior Member
One side of me thinks the "Fairness" stuff is actually a good idea...the other side doesn't think so.

1. Consider a scenario where a rich moron (Rupert Murdoch, but worse) decided they wanted to own all the media in order to get people to talk up one side of an issue, while talking trash to the other side and ridiculing the people who believe in alternative views. (Kind of like people here, which is kind of like the MSM with Ron Paul.) In this scenario, forcing "equal" coverage would be a nice option.

2. Whoever wants to write or say whatever they want about whatever issue can and should - it's a pretty basic right given to us in that old piece of parchment.

So really...if there was a reasonable way to have a "fairness" law, that'd be great. (And "free market" wouldn't work. If some guy buys the top 3-4 most powerful stations in a given market, he'll be getting the ears of the majority of that populace.)

With that said, I don't see any reasonable manner of actually having a legal way to provide "fairness," short of limiting the market ownership by single entities in any given market. (This may already be the case...and if so, then that works for me.)
 

bakodgid

Contributing Member
I work in radio. My boss is really worried about them resurrecting this as we have a talk station, and it would kill that.
 

diamonds

Administrator
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They need to be careful of what they wish for.. CNN would have a stroke if they made them abide by it:lkick:
 

CountryboyinGA

Inactive
citybear,

Put a liberal on and see how much they get listened to compared to rush, glenn or sean.

No one wants to hear that crap. the get all they can stand in EVERY OTHER kind of media, print, TV, etc.

CB
 

CountryboyinGA

Inactive
One side of me thinks the "Fairness" stuff is actually a good idea...the other side doesn't think so.

1. Consider a scenario where a rich moron (Rupert Murdoch, but worse) decided they wanted to own all the media in order to get people to talk up one side of an issue, while talking trash to the other side and ridiculing the people who believe in alternative views. (Kind of like people here, which is kind of like the MSM with Ron Paul.) In this scenario, forcing "equal" coverage would be a nice option.

2. Whoever wants to write or say whatever they want about whatever issue can and should - it's a pretty basic right given to us in that old piece of parchment.

So really...if there was a reasonable way to have a "fairness" law, that'd be great. (And "free market" wouldn't work. If some guy buys the top 3-4 most powerful stations in a given market, he'll be getting the ears of the majority of that populace.)

With that said, I don't see any reasonable manner of actually having a legal way to provide "fairness," short of limiting the market ownership by single entities in any given market. (This may already be the case...and if so, then that works for me.)

Odd that you used Murdoch instead of Ted Turner as your example...;)

CB
 

citybear

Inactive
One side of me thinks the "Fairness" stuff is actually a good idea...the other side doesn't think so.


So really...if there was a reasonable way to have a "fairness" law, that'd be great. (And "free market" wouldn't work. If some guy buys the top 3-4 most powerful stations in a given market, he'll be getting the ears of the majority of that populace.)

This is why the ownership cap is still in place. No person or entity can own more than 2 stations in a market, and cannot cover more than 40% of the population of the US with those stations that they do own.

This prevents buying stations in only large markets too, leaving smaller markets underserved.

Michael Powell (yes, Colin's son) tried to remove these ownership limits quietly when he was FCC comissioner. When the public got wind of what he did, and the outcry was unignorable, the ownership limits were just as quietly reinstated. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Powell was no longer head of the Comission. He had no business being in the first place, as he doesn't know the first thing about broadcasting. He was just trying to take care of "big bidness" like the rest of the Bush administration did.

It blew up in his face.

Broadcasting (and cable) most definitely need to be reregulated, if for no other reason than to remind them of thier purpose...

"To serve the public interest."
 

TECH32

Inactive
I think this *might* be a good thing. It will let 3rd Party candidates DEMAND equal time with the Repubs/Dems on the airwaves. If they don't get it - it's off to the courts...
 

lectrickitty

Great Great Grandma!
...By some estimates, conservatives on talk radio dominate liberals by a ratio of 10-to-1,...
There's a reason they don't have many talk radio shows... nobody wants to hear what they have to say! IF they push this thru, the only thing they will accomplish is bullying a lot of people into changing the station several times a day. That will result in loss of listeners, which will translate into loss of advertisers, which will be loss of revenue to the stations. Another case of big bro screwing up a good system to make it crash. I wonder how many stations will end up in line for a bailout?
 

gelatinous

Eyes WIDE Open
If anybody has listened to NPR, that is a sample of the boring radio in store if the Fairness Doctrine kicks in. Nobody will want to offend anybody. The result will be Moldy Oldies taking over or all sports networks (yawn! I've only heard one sportscaster who was interesting.)

Anybody ever listened to Canadian radio? Most of it is non-controversial with lots of "fluff".

If the fairness doctrine applied to ALL MEDIA, especially TV and newspapers, with a 50 percent split even the liberals would figure out a way to screw it up. They would want "localism" which would effect the split in favor of the local political atmosphere based on voting records. The only talk shows available in Oregon left would be Air America! I have listened to them and most stations that I could pick them up on have gone under. They either switched back to conservative talk or NPR! The only station I can receive them on is from Portland Oregon on 620AM. Very weak outside of the immediate area.
 

ichoric

Senior Member
Odd that you used Murdoch instead of Ted Turner as your example...

That's funny...I was actually debating which to use... I don't care which side they lean to, both of 'em kind of nuts. =)

This is why the ownership cap is still in place. No person or entity can own more than 2 stations in a market, and cannot cover more than 40% of the population of the US with those stations that they do own.

OK, I thought there was something like that, but wasn't sure. But if that's the case, then I'm now officially against the "fairness" stuff. The free market (ie, people listening to what they want since they are guaranteed a choice) should be left alone.
 

Captain D

Senior Member
I don't hear much mention of this, but wouldn't people like Rush be likely to pull a "Howard Stern" and go to satellite radio?

Seems like that would work until the Dems decided to regulate the content of that. I see the same thing probably happening to the Internet. The Dems will regulate the content of the Internet such that sites like TB2K have to give equal bandwidth to sheeple who just want to talk about Britney Spears.
 

Grantbo

Inactive
The dirty liberals want it so as to shut down the conservative voice. This is all about control of public discourse, something they don't have on radio. The libs are only tolerant for views they agree with.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
I wish they'd institute this on ALL the shows on the tube. Can you imagine: 1 hour of the new rosie :kk2: show=1 hour of an uplifting decent show. WHAT would MTV do? They'd have to play one hour of Lawwnce Welk for each hour of some sexy babe doing the hootchy kootch around a pole and singing. :lkick:

Yeah, yeah, I'm dreaming.

For those of you who don't know: "progressive" MEANS communist/marxist. Always has, always will. They like to call it that because it doesnt have such negative connotations.

If any of you have heard Sean Hannitys radio show when he's played that clip of alec baldwin trying to be a talk show host on some lib show (air america?)-its a hoot. all hem, haw and ummm and not even any blah blah.
 

CountryboyinGA

Inactive
If any of you have heard Sean Hannitys radio show when he's played that clip of alec baldwin trying to be a talk show host on some lib show (air america?)-its a hoot. all hem, haw and ummm and not even any blah blah.

That is pretty funny. The one where he practically BEGS people to call into the show. :lkick:

CB
 
It should be called the UNFAIRNESS doctrine! I listen, almost entirely, to alternative programs on the internet, or short-wave, and they would probably have to stop broadcasting.

These stations cannot afford to buy the time to put on opposing viewpoints, so they would, effectively be muzzled, and the public would have no way of hearing valuable information that the controlled media doesn't want heard.

Alternative media would be history, at a great loss to people who want to hear the truth!
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Equal time for controversial issues? Ok, bestiality is controversial. I'd like to see both sides of the Enumclaw horse sex story. We haven't heard enough from the Pro side. Under this plan, someone could demand air time for it.

Now THERE's a gag alert for you!
 

denfoote

Inactive
The Michael Savage solution.

If the Dems pass this he is going to demand equal air time on every Communist network and show in the nation!! Turn him down, he sues!!
 

G-Man

Inactive
the Dems feel they are getting the short end of the stick because they can't tell as many lies :shr:
 

Topusaret

Deceased
Hearts and minds, folks, hearts and minds.

Reichsminister Goebbels would be proud:

"It is the absolute right of the State to
supervise the formation of public opinion."
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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If the Fairness Doctrine (unconsitutional IMO) comes back, next election cycle the Anointed One won't be able to have his own satellite channel (like he did on Dish and DirecTV). That alone would be worth it.

Seriously though, the people that are FOR it simply DGI. The government cannot and should not be able to tell broadcast stations what they can and cannot air. That is WAY illegal, but the so-called "progressives" will never understand that, because their entire existance is based on total governmental control of every aspect of their (and everyone else's) lives.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Gelatinous.....

just correcting your impression of Canadian radio.......

When we drive down from Alberta through Montana, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, to Arizona, we are struck by the complete absence of talk radio, or in some cases, unstatic-y radio at all.....except NPR.

We comment all the time to each other - how does anyone know what is going on down here? As you get into the cities you can pick up Rush, etal,
and some other conservative local moderators, but most of the radio seems to be highly commercialised selling of something-or-other, with some political or economic comment in between.

We have satellite and cable TV down in AZ, but we always tune in to Canadian stations before bed, so we can catch what is happening "at home".
We also listen to talk-radio out of Calgary as far south as Idaho depending on the skip and are surprised at the number of Americans calling in to Canada to voice their opinions (especially when the US Election was on).

If you are listening to any radio stations out of British Columbia, then I can get what you are saying - they are far too liberal, wishy-washy and up in the air for us. In Alberta, you still hear "free the West!" every day in regard to the Liberals in the East.:D
 

Monkeywrench

Land Owner
Fair to who? How dare you dictate what I should listen to.

No one is stopping progressives from broadcasting. And Energy Wave no one is stopping you from listening to them. You and your ilk are :trl: on this prep board -why are you even here? Give up. No :sheep: here.

What about how your "fair" liberal brethren mistreated Dr. Ron Paul and Gov. Sarah Palin? Is that what you call fair???

This isn't even to promote stations like NPR over Rush- it WILL result in ALL forms of free thinking and speech being censored or negated.


It is ALL about destroying the companies that sponsor these stations with conservative broadcasters. Take away their advertising power and weaken their financial base. Destroy capitalism and free speech in one fell swoop.

Fair my a$$ - you communists wouldn't know fair if it bit you. Be careful cuz it soon might. When you come after the 1st you get to meet the 2nd. As our founding fathers wisely intended.
 

Wiley

Membership Revoked
Amazing how the minute you talk about fairness, the Republicans complain.


The only place "Fairness" takes place is in the name of that communistic law. It is an attack on Free Speech and Free Markets.

You ever notice libs always attack Freedom and never any real 'bad guys' of the world? That's a clue who's side democrats and liberals are on....
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
So tell me folks, what is wrong with reinstating the fairness doctrine?

It does not need to affect any individual show host. Rush can be as conservative as he's always been. But if he gets 3 hours on a station, it would be balanced with a liberal host for 3 hours on the same station. Everyone gets a fair shout at espousing their opinion to the public.

The localism rules being reinstated again will also be a good thing. This will ensure that you know what is going on in your neighborhood, instead of getting news "highlights" from some homogenized source.

I just don't understand how those of you who decry the supression of free speech rights could possibly be against any of this.

I have been a broadcaster for many years, and have watched the quality and credibility of our industry melt away with the relaxation and removal of most regulation.

I would welcome it all back. Any day.

Just a POV from someone "in the business."

Good. That means that ABC _must_ pay a group of conservative women or men the exact same pay as those liberals on "The View" get. Even if the show is a flop, ABC should be mandated to keep it running. Basically, if you want fairness doctrine, so be it...make it far across _all_ media, not just radio. This means that for every obviously liberal reporter, the stations would be forced to pay and support a conservative reporter and give them exact equal time. Funny how they progressive/liberals only want this applied to just radio, not over the air TV.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
That will end up in the Supreme Court, and it will lose.

Yep. This will not pass the current composition of the court, so it won't be happening in the near future.

But, they'll undoubtedly keep trying as new judges are appointed.
 
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