ECON Dispatch from Iceland: ‘We Might Lose Our Country’

jesner

Veteran Member
October 15, 2008, 10:41 am
Dispatch from Iceland: ‘We Might Lose Our Country’

Iceland’s central bank today slashed its key policy rate for the first time since 2003 in an unscheduled announcement as the country remains perhaps the hardest hit in the financial crisis. The nation fell into crisis last week on concern that the Icelandic authorities couldn’t back up debt obligations of the struggling, almost entirely domestic-owned banking sector. Meanwhile, international trading in the krona has since all but stopped due to low confidence in the currency. Amid such broad turmoil, sometimes the plight of the average citizen gets lost. Sigríður Hagalín Björnsdóttir, an Icelandic journalist, writes from Reykjavík to a friend in New York.


Hallgrimskirkja, a modernist church in Reykjavik, Iceland. (Getty Images)
Thanks for asking how we are — we’re fine, although the situation here is very strained. It’s such a strange feeling, having your entire perception of reality changed so drastically in a few days. Until these past weeks, we were living in one of the richest countries in the world, and although we were a little worried about the economy, nobody would have imagined anything like this storm. Now, all our biggest banks are bankrupt, our currency is basically dead, it may be difficult to buy food, oil and other necessities from abroad, and we even fear that we might lose our country, just like happened to Newfoundland. Hundreds of people are losing their jobs, many more might be losing their homes, and people’s life savings are either lost or drastically reduced. People are scared for the future, that our state may actually go bankrupt.

Everybody is very tired — watching your country suffer like this is almost like watching someone you love become ill, it’s like suffering from a broken heart. Most of our tycoons seem to have left the country, and the government is under police protection — a first — but it doesn’t seem like people are angry or aggressive. We are stunned, very surprised, that this expansion adventure that made a few people very rich but didn’t really affect the general public, has turned out this disastrous. Yes, people here bought expensive cars, and allowed themselves an annual trip to Copenhagen or to a Spanish beach, but most of us kept working 10 hours a day and kept on as we have always done.

There is also a sense of hope and unity, even a sense of humor — people seem determined to go on with their lives, even if it will be a bit harsh for a while. You can hear people all around say things like: we survived the terrible volcanic eruptions of the 18th century, we survived the frost winter of 1918, we survived famines, Black Death, earthquakes, we’ll survive this. Families and friends are coming together for dinners and chats, at night there are candles burning in the windows in most houses here, and inside people are sitting together, talking, talking, talking. Most of us are hoping something positive will come out of this, that our greed, arrogance and materialism will be replaced by care and gratitude for the more important things in life.

My family and friends are not affected by the storm yet; most of us are government workers, teachers, doctors, journalists etc., and not part of the jet set. None of us have been particularly patriotic up until now, most have lived for long periods of time outside Iceland. Now, however, we feel fiercely loyal to our nation, basically a big extended family, grandchildren of farmers and fishermen, who lost their way on the international markets.

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Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Very interesting, and big clues as to the shock and reaction here soon. The calm before reality hits.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
How can they lose the country? It's a pretty big island, and would seem to be hard to lose.


:groucho:
 

NoPlugsNM

Deceased
You can't loose your country -

You can loose your way of going or lifestyle, there certainly will be some major changes, but over time it/they will undergo a restoration.

NP
 

Sugaree

Inactive
Thanks for the info from Iceland, please keep the posts coming. I feel that what they are going through is a glimpse into our future.

Encouraging to hear that people aren't "angry or agressive" as of yet... we shall see how it goes a few weeks from now.
 

Dollar Short

Veteran Member
Iceland has in their favor:
-- they are isolated (not easily overrun by illegals like U.S.)
-- they have natural resources for energy (geo thermal & hydro)
-- a nearly homogenous population (which may limit the unrest we will experience here -- i.e. everybody on the island is your "cousin")

Iceland negatives:
-- largely dependent on imports for food
-- apparently had an even more out of control international banking system than the U.S.
-- they are bankrupt and are having to turn to Russia and other European nations to beg for money to keep them afloat.

Iceland is certainly a petri dish for what is likely to be repeated in many places around the globe in the coming years.
I think they will survive but they going to have to so "screw it" to whale hunting and overfishing if they plan to feed their population. Their government has to tread very carefully or they will quickly be the property of Russia or some other nation.
 

Deena in GA

Administrator
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From the original post:

There is also a sense of hope and unity, even a sense of humor — people seem determined to go on with their lives, even if it will be a bit harsh for a while. You can hear people all around say things like: we survived the terrible volcanic eruptions of the 18th century, we survived the frost winter of 1918, we survived famines, Black Death, earthquakes, we’ll survive this. Families and friends are coming together for dinners and chats, at night there are candles burning in the windows in most houses here, and inside people are sitting together, talking, talking, talking. Most of us are hoping something positive will come out of this, that our greed, arrogance and materialism will be replaced by care and gratitude for the more important things in life.

My family and friends are not affected by the storm yet; most of us are government workers, teachers, doctors, journalists etc., and not part of the jet set. None of us have been particularly patriotic up until now, most have lived for long periods of time outside Iceland. Now, however, we feel fiercely loyal to our nation, basically a big extended family, grandchildren of farmers and fishermen, who lost their way on the international markets.

I pray that this is the way that we will respond if things get worse!
 

LONEWOLF

Inactive
I think it's entirely possible "to lose one's Country". Sell it off piecemeal or through massive debt via public/Gov't "Policy-makers" as in the USA? Does anyone think the USA is immune somehow from those holding huge debt over our heads to finally "collect their collateral"? Witness the $700-905 Billion bailout/sellout that came around reportedly from threats by China and Saudi Arabia. This is only beginning to roll....
 

William

Veteran Member
Yes, how can you lose the country?

And what happened to Newfoundland?

The Dominion of Newfoundland was a British dominion from 1907 (before which the territory had the status of a British colony) to 1949. The Dominion of Newfoundland was situated in northeastern North America along the Atlantic coast and comprised the island of Newfoundland and Labrador on the continental mainland. The dominion was self-governing from 1907 to 1934 when it voluntarily gave up self-government and reverted to direct control from London — one of the few countries that has ever voluntarily given up direct self-rule. Between 1934 and 1949 a six-member Commission of Government (plus a governor) administered Newfoundland, reporting to the Dominions Office in London. Newfoundland remained a de jure Dominion[1] until it joined Canada in 1949 to become Canada's tenth province.

End of responsible government

Not surprisingly for a small country which relied primarily upon the export of fish, paper and minerals, the Great Depression hit Newfoundland very hard. Economic frustration combined with anger over government corruption to lead to a general dissatisfaction with democratic government. On April 5, 1932, a mob of 10,000 people marched on the Colonial Building (seat of the House of Assembly) and forced Squires to flee. Squires lost the election held later in 1932. The next government, led once more by Alderdice, called upon the British government to take direct control until Newfoundland could become self-sustaining. The United Kingdom, concerned over Newfoundland's likelihood of defaulting on its war-debt payments, established the Newfoundland Royal Commission, headed by a Scottish peer, Baron Amulree. Its report, released in 1933, assessed Newfoundland's political culture as intrinsically corrupt and its economic prospects as bleak, and advocated the abolition of responsible government, and its replacement by a Commission of the British Government. Acting on the report's recommendations, Alderdice's government voted itself out of existence in December 1933.

In 1934, the Dominion suspended Newfoundland's self-governing status and the Commission of Government took control. Newfoundland remained a Dominion in name only.[1] A severe depression persisted until World War II broke out in 1939.
 

The Freeholder

Inactive
They're taking 4 billion Euros from Russia with "no strings attached" and they're just now figuring they might lose their country? Fools.
 

Hermit

Inactive
The main difference between us and them is that they're totally dependant on food from abroad, so in the short term they might actually have to beg food from the UN.

However they are an exporter of energy and many high-quality items, so there's some hope if they can legally switch over to using another currency as payment for their exports .... I suppose.
 
Most of our tycoons seem to have left the country, and the government is under police protection — a first — but it doesn’t seem like people are angry or aggressive. We are stunned, very surprised, that this expansion adventure that made a few people very rich but didn’t really affect the general public, has turned out this disastrous.

What is happening is a form of war -- economic war, that rages without bullets or massed armies -- it occurs without much notice or fanfare, by an insidious method that completely undermines a country's monetary system while the population parties. Once the monetary system is disabled, the country is prostrate and ripe for the vultures that will surely follow.

IT would be valuable to know the names and nationalities of the "few very rich" folks who have apparently "left the country," as well as the names and nationalities of their business associates, and identification of ALL of the sources and locations of their wealth, to include companies, investments, consultancies, bank accounts, etc.

I am willing to bet that there is a common thread of clever deviancy woven within this story line that would likely prove to be global in scope and involvement -- not only Iceland, but MOST WESTERN economies.

WHO, is the question.


intothegoodnight
 

Mr. Mayor

Formerly the Mayor
The last island to be this mismanaged...

schwartz-sherwood-gilligan's-island.jpg
 

silent watcher

Senior Member

What are you talking about? Gilligan's Island wasn't mismanaged. They had a sound economy. Their banker kept all the currency in 100% cash. Imagine if Wamu or Indy had had 100% of their deposits kept in cash, they would never have been sold for a song. There was no inflation on the island, anything you wanted was free basically.
 

Mr. Mayor

Formerly the Mayor
What are you talking about? Gilligan's Island wasn't mismanaged. They had a sound economy. Their banker kept all the currency in 100% cash. Imagine if Wamu or Indy had had 100% of their deposits kept in cash, they would never have been sold for a song. There was no inflation on the island, anything you wanted was free basically.

If they were properly "managed", they would have found someone to earmark a federal expenditure in the SELLOUT/BAILOUT BILL to fix the Minnow and get off the island before the headhunters made Gilligan Roast....
 

mole

Doomer Granny
Ask Billy Tudor...he is our resident expert on all things Iceland.

I think he manages the women there...or does he do Island guard sometimes? Or is it he guards the women and mismanages his time...oy, I can't remember. :lol:



:vik:

(as mole sneaks quietly away into the burrow...)
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You can't lose a country?

You can lose an empire.

History repeats.

Who will write about our fall?

And, will we rise one day, different but better?

Or just fade away.

Personally, I think the Dark Ages are about to repeat.

Mike
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
Most of our tycoons seem to have left the country, and the government is under police protection — a first — but it doesn’t seem like people are angry or aggressive. We are stunned, very surprised, that this expansion adventure that made a few people very rich but didn’t really affect the general public, has turned out this disastrous.


And this is exactly how we are reacting. Shock and inertia.

This is how *they* get away with it. They know people don't respond any differently.

It'll just be, "Beat us, beat us some more....."

And they'll oblige.

:screw:
 
You think it can't happen, here? This morning, I heard, on a radio program (internet) that Chinese own from 1/3 to 1/2 of US mortgages, and our govt. made it a law ( it was in the bailout bill) that Chinese authorities can come over here and demand the properties! The program didn't say whether this can be done when the property owner fails to meet the mortgage payment, or if the Chinese henchmen can demand the property, regardless.

If the American public was aware that this is now possible, there would be a revolution! It never appeared in the media!!!!!
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
You think it can't happen, here? This morning, I heard, on a radio program (internet) that Chinese own from 1/3 to 1/2 of US mortgages, and our govt. made it a law ( it was in the bailout bill) that Chinese authorities can come over here and demand the properties! The program didn't say whether this can be done when the property owner fails to meet the mortgage payment, or if the Chinese henchmen can demand the property, regardless.

If the American public was aware that this is now possible, there would be a revolution! It never appeared in the media!!!!!



Oh, that's OK. They'll probably let you live in the garage and be their household slave.

See? It all works out.

;)
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
Iceland has in their favor:
-- they are isolated (not easily overrun by illegals like U.S.)
-- they have natural resources for energy (geo thermal & hydro)
-- a nearly homogenous population (which may limit the unrest we will experience here -- i.e. everybody on the island is your "cousin")

Iceland negatives:
-- largely dependent on imports for food

I think they will survive but they going to have to so "screw it" to whale hunting and overfishing if they plan to feed their population.

Actually, they have plenty of food. From things I have read, they overfishing problem isn't because they are trying to feed their own people, it is because they are selling cod (and maybe other things) to other countries. I guess fishing is a big thing there. If people would learn to be happy with just the basics in life, then most households could have a one parent working family. Reduce jobs to the point there are just enough and fish to feed your own people first.
 

Hermit

Inactive
OK, I guess they could survive on cod and reindeer, maybe supplemented with seal blubber. Lichens and seaweed for the vegetarians.

I wouldn't be too happy doing that, but they might be more genetically adapted to that kind of diet.
 

goatlady2

Deceased
Iceland has always been a small, close-knit nation/community. Their approach, so far, basically mirrors the U. S. Depression resonses in the 1930s - folks pull together, get together, help each other. There will be POCKETS of this type of action/reaction shortly here in the U. S., but on the average the ordinary folks here in America most probably will act/react quite differently. We, as a nation, are no longer close-knit, homogenous, and as caring as we used to be.
 

MataPam

Veteran Member
While a Chinese company/individual or even the government may own the property, that doesn't make the property a part of China. It remains a part of the US.

As for Iceland, I suspect their fishing fleets are selling their fish for US$ or Euros, and the local economy will shift to prices listed in three currencies, maybe four with rubles.
 
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