POL Why Your Third Party Vote Matters.

Trek

Trek

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People still get stuck in the rut pushed upon us by our two party system. They cry out...

  • Your third party vote only increases the chance of the greater evil of two getting into office.
  • Your third party vote isn't even counted.
  • You might as well stay home.

I've got news for them...

My third party vote DOES MATTER.

  • I am exercising my right to vote.
  • I am speaking out for those of us who have given up on this two party system and consequently no longer bother to vote for they are unheard.
  • I am refusing to vote for evil, lesser or greater, there is no difference.
  • By voting third party I am increasing the chances for better quality candidates to reach the primaries by giving third parties the opportunity to be heard in main stream media.
  • I am giving my children the opportunity of having more than just one choice at the polls... no more "evil vs. evil".
  • I am telling my government that I refuse to accept "more of the same"
  • I am taking a stand for what is right... an end to the ridiculous two party system of no choice at the polls.

The ONLY way to get our third party candidates equal time in the primaries is to increase their weight by increasing the votes they receive during elections.

This year's election is a NO WIN all the way around.

If Obama wins we all lose in a major way. Our country will be without strength and face total destruction.

If McCain wins we will lose in a major way. Our country will face civil unrest that will make the 60's look like a childhood game of cops and robbers.

Either of the two party candidates will bring about further destruction of our country, our livelihoods, our freedoms and our safety!​

THERE IS NO SAFE CHOICE TO BE FOUND IN ELECTION 2008.

The ONLY reasonable thing to do is prepare for our future... vote third party. PUSH the government into recognizing the voice of the people by making third parties a force to be acknowledged and respected.

A vote for a third party candidate (and yes, they are legally candidates for the President's office) is the ONLY VOTE FOR CHANGE.

All other votes are for more of the same. The same old two party system. The same old lies on both sides of the line. The same old treasonous acts against the American people by our own government.

Your third party vote DOES MATTER. In fact, this election year may be the year your third party vote matters the most.

DON'T let any brainwashed buffoon, well-meaning or not, tell you otherwise. Voting for the lesser of two evils only enables that evil to continue.

It is time to take a stand! Let the chips fall where they may... and they are going to fall regardless if McCain or Obama steps into office. As we push to strengthen the third party weight in the election process, we are strengthening our country by giving them candidates beholden to none of the special interests.

We are giving ourselves the opportunity to have real choices in future elections. We are giving the opportunity to candidates capable of picking up the pieces of our fallen nation.

This country is destroying itself and I refuse to assist it along. I am voting third party to strengthen my country through real changes that are long overdue.
 
SouthernGal

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
"Your third party vote DOES MATTER. In fact, this election year may be the year your third party vote matters the most.

DON'T let any brainwashed buffoon, well-meaning or not, tell you otherwise. Voting for the lesser of two evils only enables that evil to continue."


AMEN!
 
ted

ted

Veteran Member
OK, we both post the same thing almost same time...oh well another two for third party, the only way i have voted for a couple of seasons.
 
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Publius

On TB every waking moment
The two party system started that years ago and they are still pushing it on people. Ever listen to a radio talk show on politics where they have listener call in's and every now and then someone will bring up the third party thing! Oh boy do they try to get off that topic as fast as they can, don't even want get people thinking about third party anything, hello caller we can't hear you......must have hung up, the next caller is from. Now do you git it.
 
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Dixielee

Veteran Member
Trek said:
This country is destroying itself and I refuse to assist it along. I am voting third party to strengthen my country through real changes that are long overdue.
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Great words, Trek!

I have never liked McCain and Obama scares me to death. I felt some transient hope when McCain picked Palin, because I do like her, but......

I can't in good conscience vote for either of them. I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, but he will not be an option in the general election. I know Obama is going to win, and it makes me sick, but I think I will vote for Bob Barr since Paul is not an option. I feel such a heavy burden for this election, but I really don't think it will matter how I feel.

I will vote for Heath Shuler (blue dog democrat) as state of NC representative because he did vote NO both times in the bailout.

I am really sad that our country has come to this.
 
SouthernGal

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
I read yesterday on another board (don't remember which one it is) that when pollsters put up the "undecided" numbers, they really aren't all undecided. Pollsters throw in the percentage of people who say they're voting third party under that "undecided" title. Think about it. Have you ever seen or heard a poll that includes "voting third party"? Nope. You get "Republican", "Democrat", and "undecided".

Heaven forbid third party voters be represented in the polls! Can't have that!
 
BigBadBossyDog

BigBadBossyDog

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Dead wrong.

It has nothing to do with approval or disapproval of the 2-party system.

I don't believe I've ever seen an election where it's so important to keep evil OUT of office. If you want a socialist country, go for it. Write in a vote and watch Obama take the oath.

It's your call. And it will be on your shoulders. To allow Obama to win by writing in a name that isn't in the running, you are giving up every freedom you have.

If you are so weak that you simply can't make a choice, stay home. A Presidential election is not the time to express your disapproval of the 2-party system. You should have already been working to change that if it's so important to you. To wait until election time is not unlike buying a gun after the burgler is already in your home.
 
SouthernGal

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
NO ONE is staying home. It doesn't take a whole lot of strength to continue to vote for the same people you moan and complain about on a daily basis. I think that would be called stupidity (or insanity, take your pick).
 
Trek

Trek

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BigBadBossyDog said:
If you are so weak that you simply can't make a choice, stay home. A Presidential election is not the time to express your disapproval of the 2-party system. You should have already been working to change that if it's so important to you. To wait until election time is not unlike buying a gun after the burgler is already in your home.
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Darling, the burgler is already ransacking our country and has been for YEARS.

It's time to take a STAND AGAINST the criminals of the two party system.

If you are too weak to take that stand... stand aside because those of us strong enough of body and mind will stand against the two party system currently burglarizing our nation.
 
Trek

Trek

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SouthernGal said:
NO ONE is staying home. It doesn't take a whole lot of strength to continue to vote for the same people you moan and complain about on a daily basis. I think that would be called stupidity (or insanity, take your pick).
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Hmm... I've heard both stupidity and insanity defined as: "repeating the same actions over and over while expecting a different result".;)
 
nharrold

nharrold

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I'll buy that, Trek. The hell with the "conventional wisdom". I refuse to perpetuate by inaction the deplorable situation facing us today. Doesn't matter to me which of the morons wins; the country is doomed either way. So I'm gonna write-in Ron Paul.
 
Dex

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
I am always quite amazed at the sheeple who think the two party system still works. Especially those in our "community" who should know better. They are blinded by the mantra that their "vote" counts in this corrupt system. They totally ignore the evil and manipulative ways of this so called "system". So utterly brainwashed are they that they actually think that there is actually a division between the two parties, as if there are checks and balances as if the Executive and Legislative and Judicial were actually not cooperating to control all things. They fumble around with their ideals like a starving dog seeking a good meal but that meal never comes and all that is there to eat is a pile of guts and bile and lies. It's sad really, and in the big picture of our once great nation, it is a tragedy. They that buy into the two party system fantasy are largely responsible for the woes that our nation now faces. They have blood on their hands and yet, do not recognize it.

At least make your voice heard and affirm that you are not buying into the corrupt ways of The Establisment, write in a vote instead, write in Ron Paul.
 
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Trek

Trek

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You don't get it NC Susan.

Obama is going to win either way.

He's hellbent on turning our country over to the terrorists if he gets into office.

AND

He's hellbent on burning our country through civil unrest if he fails to get into office.

With Obama in office, we lose freedoms on all levels.

With McCain in office, we will lose just as many freedoms as he battles to get the Obamanites under control.

By voting third party I am increasing the strength of those third parties so that we won't have such limited choices in the future.

People voting for the lesser of two evils or voting against the perceived greater threat are only enabling the danger to continue.

That is not what I want for myself, my children or my grandchildren. It's time to stand up for our country.

We need to step out of the two party line and show that we will not be herded to our destruction.
 
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NC Susan

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Dixielee said:
.........I feel such a heavy burden for this election, but I really don't think it will matter how I feel.I will vote for Heath Shuler (blue dog democrat) as state of NC representative because he did vote NO both times in the bailout.I am really sad that our country has come to this.
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The Catholic Dioceses of Charlotte and Raleigh, North Carolina Click on Diocesan Logos to View Survey Results



October 7, 2008

Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

Catholics are concerned about public policies that defend human life and human dignity. We are also concerned about the promotion of human rights, peace, the family, community life, the poor, the vulnerable, the right to work, human solidarity, and creation. These fundamental priorities of the Catholic Tradition cannot be ignored or neglected. We are committed to working with those who formulate public policy to incorporate these moral values in the acts of governance and legislation.

We are also committed to assisting Catholics in formulating their election choices based on these teachings. Catholic Voice NC has sent candidate questionnaires to all of the candidates who are seeking elected office in the North Carolina General Assembly, the North Carolina delegation to the United States House of Representatives, one of the Senate seats to the United States Senate, and the office of Governor of North Carolina.

All candidates for these offices were provided with an opportunity to respond to a set of questions. The responses can be found by visiting the homepage of our respective dioceses: Raleigh: www.DioceseofRaleigh.org and Charlotte: www.CharlotteDiocese.org

We invite you to review the candidates’ responses as you form your consciences in preparation for voting in the upcoming election.

Sincerely,

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Peter J. Jugis
Bishop of Charlotte

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Mich ael F. Burbidge
Bishop of Raleigh
 
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NC Susan

Deceased
if you open the links, you notice that the Democrats did not respond to any of the NC Catholic Bishops questions.

The Republicans did.

So again, you have no information to work with from the Democrats, and honest opinions and answers from the Republicans.

Obama's entire campaign has been pretty girls, pretty pictures, pretty words, pretty promises and nothing of substance to back it up with.
Change for the sake of Change?

Stupid...........:bhmo:pro abortion, pro death, pro partial birth abortion, pro homosexual, anti gun, anti God, anti family, anti Christ NWO delivery boy is who Obama really is.

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Trek

Trek

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No one voting third party considers Obama to be a viable option for the President's office.

What I recognize is the fact that Obama is going to destroy this country whether he wins or loses. McCain is NOT going to be able to stop him without making the Patriot Act seem like heaven on earth.

Voting for McCain to stop Obama WILL NOT WORK.

That's one of many reasons why we need to act now to put an end to the two party system. By voting third party you are forcing the government to level the playing field for all candidates - and prevent them from putting us in this position again.

We need to vote third party for the future of this country.
 
Knell

Knell

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I've been thinking about this thread since I read it earlier....

I do understand the reasons for writing in Ron Paul, so don't flame me.

We know 3rd party won't win but if one candidate that's on the ballot in all 50 states got a lot of votes wouldn't that make more of an impression on tptb?
I remember when Ross Perot ran. He didn't win but he did get enough votes to shake some folks up for a little while.
I just think that the more votes third party candidates get, the better it will be. How about instead of writing in Ron Paul, voting for Bob Barr?

(hope I'm making sence. its 1:30am after all. insomnia is a b....)
 
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Stormy

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We intend to vote Third Party, but we don't know which one as of yet. Libertarians don't stand for secure borders or the sovereignity of the United States of America.

I read an article in the paper this morning about the American Independent Party. Alan Keyes for President, and Dan Rohrbaugh for VP. I was with them all the way until I came to "No marriage except between men and women."

Huh? I thought they were for rights for everyone, less government, high-standers on gun rights, etc. Why go three steps forward and two steps back and deny gay and lesbian Americans the right to marriage, along with many more civil rights?

We don't understand. How does giving rights to me and my partner of 21 years affect anyone? Well, it does but not in any destructive way. It only makes a neighborhood, a community, and a nation stronger.

Love, happiness and security begets more of the same. And that is certainly something we all need right now considering what is coming.
 
BigBadBossyDog

BigBadBossyDog

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Trek said:
No one voting third party considers Obama to be a viable option for the President's office.

What I recognize is the fact that Obama is going to destroy this country whether he wins or loses. McCain is NOT going to be able to stop him without making the Patriot Act seem like heaven on earth.

Voting for McCain to stop Obama WILL NOT WORK.

That's one of many reasons why we need to act now to put an end to the two party system. By voting third party you are forcing the government to level the playing field for all candidates - and prevent them from putting us in this position again.

We need to vote third party for the future of this country.
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Oh, please. The government isn't even going to know you voted 3rd party. You're not forcing squat!

Any other time I would be right there with you. Now is not the time.

If Obama loses, he'll tuck his whiney little tail between his legs and cry all the way home. And Hillary will run again in 2012. Who would have ever thought she would be the best the Democrats had to offer!
 
skoaldiak

skoaldiak

WWG1WGA
Knell said:
How about instead of writing in Ron Paul, voting for Bob Barr?
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I've thought about that, not for bob barr of course, but for which third party candidate.
I don't agree with any of them like I do with Ron Paul.
Then I realized I would be settling for a third party candidate. Not gonna doit, thousand points of light, not gonna doit.
I think it would be nice if all third party voters could decide on one, but if you add up the third party voters (the ones that they admit too) maybe, just maybe they might take notice.
Even though Ron Paul has endorsed baldwin, I will still be writing in Ron Paul.
 
Kritter

Kritter

The one and only...
I'll be writing in Ron Paul...as will probably every member of my family and my husband's family.
 
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mullen7

Membership Revoked
My conscience won't let me vote for Obama or McCain. What do I say to God? They are both evil. Obama is willing to kill a baby in a mother's womb and if the baby survives Obama is fine with killing the child directly after the attempted abortion.
McCain pretends to be for life but he has voted for abortion in three circumstances. McCain voted for evil embryonic stem cell research and what so many are ignoring. McCain is for the ungodly war in Iraq.
Can someone tell me about Chuck Baldwin? Is he 100% for life. Is Baldwin against the war in Iraq? I heard Ron Paul has endorsed him but I don't know much about him. I did
hear Chuck Balwin say in a Youtube video...In this presidential election there is not a lesser of two evils but the evil of two lessers.
 
Cabal

Cabal

Pissed off Patriot
I think the key to getting a viable 3rd Party candidate in the Presidential election is to get those 3rd party candidates elected at "lower" levels of government first. start from the bottom and work your way up... start getting these 3rd party people elected in mass at the State level so the average Joe actually gets to see these people and then work up a little higher.
 
rhughe13

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
Look at the current situation in our country. We got here through the current two party system.

Those who vote to continue down this destructive path are traitors to this country.

Yes you know who you are!
 
Altura Ct.

Altura Ct.

Veteran Member
BigBadBossyDog said:
Oh, please. The government isn't even going to know you voted 3rd party. You're not forcing squat!

Any other time I would be right there with you. Now is not the time.

If Obama loses, he'll tuck his whiney little tail between his legs and cry all the way home. And Hillary will run again in 2012. Who would have ever thought she would be the best the Democrats had to offer!
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The government? Just who TF is that BBD? AND if the government "isn't going to know" than what the hell is it you THINK you are doing by voting at all?
 
SouthernGal

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
BigBadBossyDog said:


Any other time I would be right there with you. Now is not the time.
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This is what is said by the party Kool Aid drinkers every election. There never is a "proper" time for people like you. Step aside and let the true Americans try to take back the country.
 
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Enid Puceflange

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NC Susan said:
if you open the links, you notice that the Democrats did not respond to any of the NC Catholic Bishops questions.

The Republicans did.

So again, you have no information to work with from the Democrats, and honest opinions and answers from the Republicans.

Obama's entire campaign has been pretty girls, pretty pictures, pretty words, pretty promises and nothing of substance to back it up with.
Change for the sake of Change?

Stupid...........:bhmo:pro abortion, pro death, pro partial birth abortion, pro homosexual, anti gun, anti God, anti family, anti Christ NWO delivery boy is who Obama really is.

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You know, by posting this you demonstrate the absurdities of the two party system you espouse. This is the sort of trash that the first-past-the-post system throws up.
 
Sugaree

Sugaree

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It isn't hard to look around and see that the two-party system is corrupt and has failed. I did not leave the Republican party- rather, they have abandoned me. My vote will be going to Bob Barr.

That being said, it is an excersise in futility. Deep in my heart I do not believe that votes determine the outcome of elections. The NWO calls the shots, just like they are orchestrating the destruction of the economy. They have had their plans in place for many years and will stop at nothing to implement them. At this point all I can do is prep & pray.
 
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Enid Puceflange

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BigBadBossyDog said:
Oh, please. The government isn't even going to know you voted 3rd party. You're not forcing squat!

Any other time I would be right there with you. Now is not the time.

If Obama loses, he'll tuck his whiney little tail between his legs and cry all the way home. And Hillary will run again in 2012. Who would have ever thought she would be the best the Democrats had to offer!
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Sorry, as I said on another thread, this is about conscience first and foremost. To vote AGAINST the candidate you like least is to ensure the perpetuation of the system - you'll always have to do it. To vote the way you believe allows for the possibility that at some point in the future things MIGHT change.
 
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breezyhill

Veteran Member
this is quoted from the original post at the top.

"""If McCain wins we will lose in a major way. Our country will face civil unrest that will make the 60's look like a childhood game of cops and robbers."""

just playing the devil's advocate here...

does anyone here think that if a third party is voted in, let's say Ron Paul, that there will not still be "civil unrest that will make the 60s look like a childhood game of cops and robbers"?

you know there will be accusations of fraud, especially since Ron Paul isn't even in the race. they won't understand or believe the right we have to cast a valid ballot for anyone we choose.

if obama is not elected president, whether there's a third party elected or McCain, there will be trouble.

breezyhill
 
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breezyhill

Veteran Member
Enid Puceflange said:
Sorry, as I said on another thread, this is about conscience first and foremost. To vote AGAINST the candidate you like least is to ensure the perpetuation of the system - you'll always have to do it. To vote the way you believe allows for the possibility that at some point in the future things MIGHT change.
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for those that take this stance, that is a valid rationalization and it allows one to have some feel-good, pro-active justification for making that choice.

however, when the numbers aren't there, the feel-good, pro-active justification for making that choice is not logical.

think of it this way. take this analogy.

there were 13 original colonies that banded together against britain. not 6 colonies. not 10 colonies. it was the total, 13 out of 13.

if you were to divide the 13 into thirds, or roughly 4, then take one group voting for independence and one group voting to stay under britain, and one group voting of undecided voters.

now, instead of the group of 4 colonies choosing between the two options, let's say they randomly decided to vote for having france being their government, you can see that against the backdrop of the first two groups voting for independance and Britain, that the france voters don't have a snowball's chance in he!!.

that then leaves a smaller group amongst the undecideds to determine the vote for independance versus british rule.

you can parallel that against our current situation of obama, mccain and paul and you can see the futility ---at this point--- of voting for a third party.

sometimes your only choice is the lesser of two evils.

breezyhill
 
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breezyhill

Veteran Member
NC Susan said:
and after they count your 3rd party vote :fl2: it ends in the crapper and Obama ends up on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Imagine Michelle as First Lady, representative of American Charm, Hospitality, Culture, and Graciousness!
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i watched the first one, utube is kind of slow this morning for some reason.

the words michelle obama said, "black america will wake up", what an oxymoron statement to make. the black separatists are awake enough. imagine if they had the power to stir the whole pot.
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rhughe13

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
breezyhill said:
there were 13 original colonies that banded together against britain. not 6 colonies. not 10 colonies. it was the total, 13 out of 13.
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Either McCain or Obama is the New Britain. Colonies are already forming. Ron Paul is the first one.
 
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breezyhill

Veteran Member
several people have made references to the fact that obama wins either way, in that, if mccain wins, then obama trumps that win by all the civil unrest that will be unleashed.

can someone explain to me how this is not acquiesing or bowing down out of potential fear? what a bunch of pansies!

no, civil unrest is not pretty. it is ugly, ugly, ugly.

but the alternative, to live under radical left values, is to live under a culture from which after 4 years, or 8 years, it will be even harder to come back to the right.

the least we can do right now is to hold our ground, not capitulate.

breezyhill
 
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