SOFT NEWS Downed cougar trekked 900 km from South Dakota

KateCanada

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This is a sad story.

http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.html?id=a4597ad4-5418-4ef8-a18c-937b9dd74fcf

Tranquilizing the cougar would have presented too great a public risk: police
TheStarPhoenix.com
Published: Tuesday, October 07, 2008

SASKATOON - A South Dakota cougar's 900-kilometre journey ended with three gunshots today on Saskatoon's west side.

Responding to a cougar sighting in the 300 block of Avenue J South, Saskatoon police and staff from Saskatchewan Environment shot and killed the cat after determining it posed a risk to the public.

Avenue J resident John Rutherford, who directed police to the cat on his front lawn, called the shooting "misguided" and unprofessional. He said he would have reconsidered phoning police if he had known what was going to happen to the cougar.

A police investigation into a cougar sighting in the city's westside Tuesday morning has ended with the animal being killed

"I feel responsible for the cat," Rutherford said.

"When I heard the crack of the first shot, I felt really bad. We shouldn't be killing them."

After the shooting, officials discovered the cougar had been collared as part of a study being conducted by South Dakota State University (SDSU).

Jonathan Jenks, an SDSU wildlife and fisheries professor, said the cougar was one of 80 cats involved in a research project based in the Black Hills - a 200-km mountain range that stretches from South Dakota into Wyoming.

Jenks said his team lost track of the cougar, a two-year-old male, in April when it was still in Wyoming. He estimated the cougar travelled almost 960 km to get to Saskatoon.

"That's an underestimation," Jenks said, noting cougars seldom travel in a straight line. "Their movements are often erratic or circular."

Jenks said it's not surprising the cat strayed from his initial habitat, as an estimated 90 per cent of young male cougars leave the Black Hills.

Still, the length of the cougar's trek is remarkable, he said. Only one other cat, which travelled 1,060 km south into Oklahoma, has covered as much distance during the course of the study.

"He's definitely the farthest one north that's been documented," Jenks said of the Saskatoon cougar.

Marvin Hlady, a wildlife specialist with the Ministry of Environment, said he was disappointed there's no record of the route the cougar took on its journey.

"It would have been interesting had they tracked him the whole way," he said.

Hlady is uncertain about how the cougar got to Saskatoon, but he said it may have been following the Saskatchewan River system.

"Most cats like to follow river corridors," he said.

Hlady described cougars as "very secretive animals," and was surprised one had wandered so far into an urban centre.

Still, Jenks said cougars will enter urban areas and hunt domestic animals if they're hungry enough.

Rutherford said the cougar in his front yard "was just laying there minding his own business."

Although he didn't phone in the initial sighting, Rutherford tipped police off after a search failed to find the cougar.

When police and Environment Ministry officials arrived, Rutherford said he suggested they tranquilize the cougar or use a net.

Instead, deciding the animal posed a risk to the public, police officers shot and killed the cougar. It took three shots to bring it down.

Hlady says tranquilizers are not always enough to subdue wild animals and officers had to act quickly because the cougar was in a residential area.

"It's a decision made based on the human health risk," Hlady said.

While the province receives a number of reports of cougar sightings every year, Hlady said people often mistake other animals, including domestic cats, for mountain lions.

"Most of the calls are unsubstantiated," Hlady said.

The Ministry of Environment estimates there are 300 cougars living in Saskatchewan. Tuesday's incident was the third cougar shooting in the province so far this year.

The cougar was taken to the Western College of Veterinary Medicine for an autopsy.

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http://www.newstalk650.com/story/20081007/6804
 

lisa

Veteran Member
Sorry Kate, but these cougars aren't endangered species and their population is growing. These are very dangerous predatory animals and putting it down was the right thing.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Sorry Kate, but these cougars aren't endangered species and their population is growing. These are very dangerous predatory animals and putting it down was the right thing.


that's right. Kill all those bastards and every damn snake and spider too.

Pave the Planet!
One People.
One World.
One large-assed ball of Asphalt.

:rplleyes:
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Um... Sat? The damned cat was IN A FRONT YARD, in Saskatoon.. not precisely wilderness!

I love cougars... bobcats, grizzlys and wolves. They're gorgeous, stunning CLIMAX PREDATORS. In their place (and properly conditioned to humans- meaning they are AFRAID of humans... something becoming less common with various "protective" laws), they should be left alone and admired.

When they start moving into highly populated territory (which is almost a guarantee they aren't afraid of humans... hence, they will see humans, especially smaller ones- like children- as prey), they need to be controlled.

This cat had travelled over 600 miles... how, exactly, would you propose to "relocate" it where it can't show back up in a populated area again?

Or should we give each one a "free human meal" before we take steps to eliminate the danger?

Summerthyme
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
SSS for all of them that come into towns. If they are that brave then they will take it further.

We had them here but I haven't heard of any sightings since last winter. Maybe they moved on......hope so. The deer herd is low as it is due to the bad winter last year. We lost a LOT of deer. Hunting will be hard this year and we don't need transplanted cougars vying for our winter meat.....
 

Straycat

Veteran Member
I love cougars (and wolves and bears, etc.), but for it to be that unafraid of people, it's dangerous.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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I was agreeing. Kill ALL those MF'ers. Every last cougar, bear, snake, spider, ant, butterfly, bee...every damn one of them. *THEY* don't deserce to eat, drink, live or shit anywhere a person might come in contact with them.

Fill the zoos then kill the rest.

Damn straight!

How dare any of them show up in a town or near a park or out in the F'n woods. *WE* own every g'damned last square inch of the mofo planet.

Nuke the Whales!
 

KateCanada

Inactive
I was agreeing. Kill ALL those MF'ers. Every last cougar, bear, snake, spider, ant, butterfly, bee...every damn one of them. *THEY* don't deserce to eat, drink, live or shit anywhere a person might come in contact with them.

Fill the zoos then kill the rest.

Damn straight!

How dare any of them show up in a town or near a park or out in the F'n woods. *WE* own every g'damned last square inch of the mofo planet.

Nuke the Whales!

(((((Satanta)))))
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
I was agreeing. Kill ALL those MF'ers. Every last cougar, bear, snake, spider, ant, butterfly, bee...every damn one of them. *THEY* don't deserce to eat, drink, live or shit anywhere a person might come in contact with them.

How dare any of them show up in a town or near a park or out in the F'n woods. *WE* own every g'damned last square inch of the mofo planet.

We are humans, the dominate species. We do own the planet. Every cougar, bear, snake, spider, and bee has the absolute right to attack and kill me if they would like. Of course, I also have the same right. Sorry, no pack of wolves is going to run my neighborhood or park area.
 

KateCanada

Inactive
We are humans, the dominate species. We do own the planet. Every cougar, bear, snake, spider, and bee has the absolute right to attack and kill me if they would like. Of course, I also have the same right. Sorry, no pack of wolves is going to run my neighborhood or park area.

That was not the case though. Did you read what the guy said. Most in our province are mad about this.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Kate... the thing was (apparently) in someone's front yard, in broad daylight.

It was NOT a cub/kitten. A 2 year old male is no longer naive enough to give the benefit of the doubt in this type situation.

It's pretty obvious the guy who called the authorities wanted to them to "DO SOMETHING".. I suspect he didn't call the cops to say "hey, look at that cute little cougar running around in front of my house!"

Cougar- even a really big one- can move around and leave no more evidence than a ghost. One which is brazen and confident enough to show up in daylight, that close to houses is *conditioned* to humans, and their activities. He very likely was taking pets as at least occasional meals.

Like I said... I really don't think they had a choice. If they'd tranquilized it, moved it out a hundred miles into "wilderness"... it likely would have been back in populated areas (assuming it had found "easy pickings" there) within a few days. And about the time it took someone's pet dog off a leash, or - God forbid- a toddler playing in their yard- the "authorities" would REALLY have people screaming.

Summerthyme (if you don't want the cops to shoot a dangerous animal in your front yard, don't call them)
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Also, while it may not have been obvious at the time, this is a male Puma. Like all cats, many more males are born than can find a territory to live in. Your barnyarnd tom cat may have a "territory" of up to 10 miles (he may go that far for "his" females) a male Puma 500 miles. That's right 500 miles, most die either from starvation or fighting before they can establish such a territory and when hunting is bad they will become desperate.

Females on the other hand, will often share a smaller territory with sisters, daughters and cousins. As long as there is enough food (which may not be the case this Winter) they are happy to den up close enough to visit each other and even share club sitting from time to time. In zoos and wildlife parks, where food is not an issue, the females may even become rather social with each other, but that seldom happens in the wild except among the extended families.

The males, are always cast out when they are between one and two years old to find their own way in the world.

With Puma's as with barn cats, there is room for only one King. In a wildlife park, as in a well provided barn yard, the King may allow his sons to hang around and hunt at the edges as long as they don't bother him. But in the wilderness he will push them as far away as he can, so they don't come back to take his throne.

I'm very sorry about this cat, but for a young male, there really isn't anywhere they could have taken him that would be safe. A female might be moved to a new wilderness territory and find a place for herself, but a young male is just going to keep moving.

Sadly, there are fewer and fewer places without people that these cats can live. 500 miles is a lot of wide open space for one cat, and each litter of cubs makes more of them.
 

jehu

Mapper of Landmarks
yeah the cat should have been relocated......

......to Satanta's back yard.:screw:
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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yeah the cat should have been relocated......

......to Satanta's back yard.:screw:

Your perceptions are clouded.

I have little issue with the animal having been killed if it was neccesary. I have killed more animals in my life than you or Ravekid have likely ever seen.

My issue is uneccesary killing and the cheering on of such...yesterday there was a thread where a brave member killed a pygmy rattlesnake. Ok. Perhaps ot was neccesary, perhaps not. I would have simply captured it, photographed it and released it elsewhere.

But I have no innate monkey-fears pf snakes or much else.

As with this thread and a bit moreso because "OH Gasp! EEk! IT'S A SNAKE!" I see people with little knowledge following some fear that 'all sbakes are bad' and 'I hate all snakes!', 'Only good snake is a dead snake!' attitude and I see it here on this thread "Kill that mother****er!"

It is my own fault really-I keep hoping and expecting people to be better than they are. To become better and to strive to step outside of the shell of their limited existence.

However, my travels and the people I meet and responses here at times tend to remind me as to why the world is in such 'great shape' as it is with the Islamics, Communists, Socialists, Economy, Lessening supplies of food and water...

Thing is I have a built in system that will deactivate me within maybe two months.

Some of you that are cheering on the death of a snake or a cougar out of lack of anything but fear may learn what fear really is....when you are 'hunting for something to eat'....I hope you don't get shot by someone who fears what you may take.

The cougar hunts meat. Again it should have been removed and killing it may have been neccasary.

When the time comes will you need to be removed? Will killing you be 'neccasary'?
 
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