ECON tragic signs of the times, the suicides begin....

breezyhill

Veteran Member
first, it was the 90-year-old woman who attempted suicide because she was being evicted from her house. now, I've just come across these two. if they're a dupe to something already posted, the mods can lock it. there' just so much stuff to read anymore, I can't keep track of it all.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/06/california.murder.suicide/index.html

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- A man distraught because he could not find work shot and killed his mother-in-law, his wife and three sons and then killed himself inside a home in an upscale San Fernando Valley neighborhood, police said.
Police outside a home where an unemployed father is believed to have killed his sons, wife and mother-in-law.

Police outside a home where an unemployed father is believed to have killed his sons, wife and mother-in-law.

Authorities said the man had an MBA in finance but appeared to have been unemployed for several months and had worked for major accounting firms, such as Price Waterhouse.

The two-story rented home is in a gated community in Porter Ranch, about 20 miles northwest of Los Angeles.

The shootings were discovered after 8:20 a.m. Monday, after a neighbor called police to report that the wife had failed to pick her up to take her to her job at a pharmacy, Deputy Chief of Police Michel Moore said.

Ed Winter, assistant chief from the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office, identified the suspect as Karthik Rajaram, 45.

Winter said the victims included Rajaram's mother-in-law, Indra Ramasesham, 69, and his 19-year-old son Krishna Rajaram, a Fulbright Scholar and honor student at UCLA. Video Watch police say the gunman was "embroiled in a financial crisis" »

Also dead were Rajaram's wife, 39, Subasari Rajaram, and their two other sons, 12 and 7. Some of the victims had been shot more than once, and their identities were not immediately confirmed, he said.

"Due to the nature of their injuries, it's been a little difficult," Winter said, adding that there were no signs of a struggle.

Police first found the mother-in-law shot in her bed in a downstairs bedroom, Moore said.

Upstairs, the couple's eldest old son was shot in the master bedroom; the wife in another bedroom with a gunshot wound to the head; the two younger sons in the bedroom they shared, both shot in the head. The 12-year-old was on the floor and the 7-year-old in bed, Moore said.Video Watch more on what police had to say about tragedy »

The suspect was also in that bedroom, a gun still in his hand.

The killings are thought to have occurred after 6 p.m. Saturday, when the man was last reported seen, Moore said.

Inside the house, police also found three letters, one to law enforcement acknowledging responsibility for the killings, a second to friends and relatives and a third that appears to be the suspect's will, Moore said.

"He attests to some financial difficulties, and he takes responsibility for the taking of the lives of his family members and himself as a result of those financial difficulties," Moore said.

Neighbors, family and friends told police that the suspect, who had not worked for several months, had said in recent days he was having had extreme financial difficulties, Moore said.

One of the letters, intended for friends and marked "personal and confidential," detailed his financial transactions that resulted in "an unfortunate, downward spiral," Moore said.

"His narrative is one of talking about this tragedy befalling him and his contemplation of an available exit or solution," Moore said. "One is taking his own life and the other is taking the lives of his family and himself. ... He talked himself into the second strategy, believing that was in effect the honorable thing to do."

Moore said the several-page narrative appeared to have been written over a period of time. "This was something that was not a spur-of-the-moment type of event," he said.

Moore said it was clear to police that the family members were close and "had an affection for each other." He said the parents had given up their master bedroom to their eldest -- who was spending the weekend home from college -- "out of respect."

"This is a perfect American family behind me that has absolutely been destroyed, apparently because of a man who just got stuck in a rabbit hole, if you will, of absolute despair, somehow working his way into believing this to be an acceptable exit."

No neighbors reported having heard gunshots, and there was no sign of forced entry at the house, Moore said.

Rajaram was involved in a financial holding company as part owner "at least," Moore said.

There is no evidence he had had any history of mental difficulties, nor was there an indication he had sought counseling, Moore said.
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Neighbor Trish Harrison, who lives three houses from the crime scene, said the family had lived in the community for about a year, but kept to themselves and had little interaction with neighbors. The parents were from India, she said.

The Los Angeles Unified School District was making arrangements for crisis counselors to visit the schools attended by the two younger sons.""
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Gonecrabbin

Senior Member
Quote:"This is a perfect American family behind me that has absolutely been destroyed, apparently because of a man who just got stuck in a rabbit hole, if you will, of absolute despair, somehow working his way into believing this to be an acceptable exit."

Why these suicides take innocents with them is a mystery to me-there are plenty of scum bags that richly deserve death, why not take those with you if you feel you gotta check out.


I think its the people responsible for creating this financial mess we're in that should take a page from the Japanese - who would do hari-kari-when they really fu**ed up.:D
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
I don't have a lot of sympathy for those who take their life. Maybe for the family.

We just went through a similar situation where due to deregulation of the utility industry and loss of opportunity due to the generation business contraction, I found myself out of work as an engineer for 4-1/2 years. Try as I might, at age 50 plus, there's simply NOT a lot of engineering employment opportunities, and even less so in a field of "contraction" such as the Power Company.

We made do. Wife upped her hours at work to 40 full time, took on other jobs outside of her normal work including house cleaning and being a swimming teacher. Meanwhile, I did what I could in the "home improvement" field and worked at a local farm.

It was an exhausting lifestyle. Little time or money for extras. My wife and I were literally "two ships passing in the night." Vacations were non-existant since it's definitely no work-no pay status. But when you're working at jobs that pay an average of $15 an hour, you have to work more to cover it all.

And cover it all we mostly did. We certainly need a new driveway, the septic pumped, and the garden, while welcome and used when things were ready to be picked, really suffered from lack of attention. And when the "big hits" came along like needing repairs on the car to the tune of $2400, we were able to cover it.

But there were "Safety Nets" too. Cow Hampshire Healthy Kids program took care of the children's medical. My wife and I bought short term health insurance for a while until her work offered some medical coverage. It's quite interesting to go into the Emergency room and announce you're going to pay "cash" for services rendered. The system is really not equipped for that option. "Are you sure you don't want to set up a payment plan?" "No - cash, even if in advance."

The biggest single advantage over most was the fact that we had our mortgage paid off before all this happened. That fact alone gave us (actually me) the time and ability to sit back and be a bit "selective" on employment. And maybe that's the difference between my case and these that end in more dire circumstances. We have lived our life to this point knowing to put away some in reserve to cover for those times when things might be more "lean."

And with that selectivity to employment it all paid off. I am now recently hired by a world class engineering firm who are seeing a mega step change up in their economic prospects, primarily due to the rise and return of nuclear power as a generation option. Today's version of a "growth" industry. As a former nuclear startup engineer my talents are sought after and appreciated by my employer. And it's nice to be working in a "professional capacity" again. A little financial breathing room improves one's enjoyment of life vastly.

But I've learned something too having been there done that. Don't take what you have for granted. APPRECIATE IT WHILE YOU GOT IT. It can be taken away very easily.

The Lord don't close the doors without leaving the windows unlocked. There's always a way out.

Best,
Joe
 
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adgal

Veteran Member
I don't have a lot of sympathy for those who take their life. Maybe for the family.

We just went through a similar situation where due to deregulation of the utility industry and loss of opportunity due to the generation business contraction, I found myself out of work as an engineer for 4-1/2 years. Try as I might, at age 50 plus, there's simply NOT a lot of engineering employment opportunities, and even less so in a field of "contraction" such as the Power Company.

We made do. Wife upped her hours at work to 40 full time, took on other jobs outside of her normal work including house cleaning and being a swimming teacher. Meanwhile, I did what I could in the "home improvement" field and worked at a local farm.

It was an exhausting lifestyle. Little time or money for extras. My wife and I were literally "two ships passing in the night." Vacations were non-existant since it's definitely no work-no pay status. But when you're working at jobs that pay an average of $15 an hour, you have to work more to cover it all.

And cover it all we mostly did. We certainly need a new driveway, the septic pumped, and the garden, while welcome and used when things were ready to be picked, really suffered from lack of attention. And when the "big hits" came along like needing repairs on the car to the tune of $2400, we were able to cover it.

But there were "Safety Nets" too. Cow Hampshire Healthy Kids program took care of the children's medical. My wife and I bought short term health insurance for a while until her work offered some medical coverage. It's quite interesting to go into the Emergency room and announce you're going to pay "cash" for services rendered. The system is really not equipped for that option. "Are you sure you don't want to set up a payment plan?" "No - cash, even if in advance."

The biggest single advantage over most was the fact that we had our mortgage paid off before all this happened. That fact alone gave us (actually me) the time and ability to sit back and be a bit "selective" on employment. And maybe that's the difference between my case and these that end in more dire circumstances. We have lived our life to this point knowing to put away some in reserve to cover for those times when things might be more "lean."

And with that selectivity to employment it all paid off. I am now recently hired by a world class engineering firm who are seeing a mega step change up in their economic prospects, primarily due to the rise and return of nuclear power as a generation option. Today's version of a "growth" industry. As a former nuclear startup engineer my talents are sought after and appreciated by my employer. And it's nice to be working in a "professional capacity" again. A little financial breathing room improves one's enjoyment of life vastly.

But I've learned something too having been there done that. Don't take what you have for granted. APPRECIATE IT WHILE YOU GOT IT. It can be taken away very easily.

The Lord don't close the doors without leaving the windows unlocked. There's always a way out.

Best,
Joe

Good for you, Joe!! You are an excellent of example of not letting life knock you down - but seeing what you can do and doing it!
 

fruit loop

Inactive
GoneCrabbin', those people are at the bottom of a black hole, and they think they are "sparing" their loved ones from suffering in a cruel world.

Yeah, it's whacked....but depressed people aren't in their right minds.
 
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