HEALTH HELP! Major reaction to Statins

DustMusher

DustMusher

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I have been on Crestor since my heart attack. About 3 weeks aqo I felt blah - put it off to pain from whiplas from car wreck, and depression - fighting with AllSnake.

By the next week I felt worse - very tired. By last week my leg and back muscles were so weak they would get shakey after walking for about 500 feet. THEN the light bulb went on, Statin Reacton. Cardiologist agrees. I am off any statins for the rest of my life - using niacin now.

I am taking CoQ10 at double dose, but still have no stamina. I am supposed to be working but can only do about 4 -5 hours at a time on a desk job. And can hardly walk by the time I get home.

Does anyone have any ideas for me to get back into a state where I can actually live my life?

Dm
 
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breezyhill

Veteran Member
I'm sorry dustmusher that you feel so weak. I don't have any advice for this drug reaction. hopefully, as morning comes, some of the others here will have some recommendations.
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expose'

expose'

The Pulse......
I would add some other B vitamins to the niacin..like B12, B5 (pantothenic acid is good for the adrenals..It could be they are tired after the stress..)
Magnesium helps to restore vitality...Here is a list of medicines and what they deplete in your body..

Nutrient Depletion Chart Thursday, 1:07 PM


Below is a list of the most commonly used OTC drugs we use and Rx Drugs that are prescribed to us by Doctors. Pay close attention, because not only are these drugs UNHEALTHY for us, we are also not getting enough Nutrients (All) from our foods. So by also consumming these Drugs we give our bodies what I call " THE DOUBLE WHAMMY EFFECT" on our Magnificent Miraculous Bodies which knows how to HEAL themselves when given the Nutrients (All) that it needs.

Antacids: Pepcid, Tagamet, Zantac.

Depletes: Vit B12, D, Folic Acid, Calcium, Iron, Zinc.

Prevacid, Prilosec.

Depletes: B12

Antibiotics: General Aminoglycosides (gentomycin, neomycin, streptomycin, Penicillins, Cephalosporins.

Depletes: B Vitamins, Vit K, Friendly Beneficial Intestinal Bacteria.

Tetracyclines.

Depletes: Calcium, Zinc, Iron, Vit. B6, Magnesium

Anti-Diabetics: Micronase, Tolinase.

Depletes: Co-Enzyme Q10

Glucophage.

Depletes: Co-Enzyme Q10, B12, Folic Acid

Anti-Depressants: Adapin, Aventyl, Elavil, Tofranil, Pamelor, Sinequan, Norpramin.

Depletes: Vit.B12, Co-Enzyme Q10


Anti-Infalmmatory: Aspirin & Salicylates.

Depletes: Vit C, Folic Acid, Iron, Potassium.

Advil, Aleve, Anaprox, Dolobid, Feldene, Lodine, Motrin, Naprosyn, Orudis, Relafen.

Depletes: Folic Acid.

Betamethasone, Cortisone, Dexamethasone, Hydrocortisone, Methylprednisolone, Prednisone.

Depletes: Vit C, D, Folic Acid, Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, Potassium, Selenium


Cardiovascular: Apresoline.

Depletes: B6, Co-Enzyme Q10

Catapres, Aldomet.

Depletes: Co-Enzyme Q10

Corgard, Inderol, Lopressor, Betapace, Tenormin, Sectral, Blocadren.

Depletes: Co-Enzyme Q10, Melatonin.


Diuretics: Lasix, Bumex, Edecrin.

Depletes: Vit's B1, B6, Vit. C, Magnesium, Zinc, Calcium, Sodium, Potassium.

Enduron, Diuril, Lozol, Zaroxolyn, Hygroton, Lescol, Lipitor, Mavacor, Zocor, Pravachol, Crestor.

Depletes: Magnesium, Zinc, Potassium, Sodium, Co-Enzyme Q10

Cholestorol Lowering: Lescol, Lipitor, Mavacor, Zorcor, Pravachol, Crestor.

Depletes: Co-Enzyme Q10.

Colestid, Quetran.

Depletes: Vit's A, B12, D, E, K, Iron, Beta-Carotene, Folic Acid, Iron.

Ulcers: Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac.

Depletes: Vit's B12, D, Folic Acid, Iron, Zinc, Protein, Calcium.

Prevacid, Prilosec

Depletes: Vit B12, Protein.



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Linda H. Nutrition Depletion Chart (Contin) Thursday, 1:09 PM


Hormone Replacement Therapy: Evista, Prempro, Premarin, Estratab. Depletes: Vit's B 2, B6, B12, C, Folic Acid, Zinc, Magnesium.


Birth Control: Norinyl, Ortho-Novum, Triphasil, Etc. Depletes: Vit's B2, B3, B6, B12, C, Folic Acid, Magnesium, Selenium, Zinc.


Source: Drug Induced Nutrient Depletion Handbook Second Edition

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Karnie

Karnie

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DustMusher said:
I have been on Crestor since my heart attack. About 3 weeks aqo I felt blah - put it off to pain from whiplas from car wreck, and depression - fighting with AllSnake.

By the next week I felt worse - very tired. By last week my leg and back muscles were so weak they would get shakey after walking for about 500 feet. THEN the light bulb went on, Statin Reacton. Cardiologist agrees. I am off any statins for the rest of my life - using niacin now.

I am taking CoQ10 at double dose, but still have no stamina. I am supposed to be working but can only do about 4 -5 hours at a time on a desk job. And can hardly walk by the time I get home.

Does anyone have any ideas for me to get back into a state where I can actually live my life?

Dm
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Can't help with the reaction - but maybe have a source of info for you and your doc about how to treat without statins. Check out www.myheartbook.com very interesting stuff!
 
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DebiJoy

Inactive
DustMusher, I have also had the same reaction as you to Statins. I've tried every different medicine for high cholesterol such as Crestor, Lipitor, whatever....if they had Statins...I had the reaction. I also used CQ10 with them which did help a little but not enough. I also tried Red Yeast Rice and had the same reaction. I would get out of bed and my legs would go weak. I also had a stabbing pain in my great toe and other areas. Take heart, because once you are off any of those meds with the Statins, in a few weeks you will get better and better. Eventually you will be back to normal. That is what happened to me. I'm fine now and I'm trying Slo Niacin 500mg. once a day(so as not to get the flushes). I'm going to go for a blood test in a week or so to see if my cholesterol is better. Right now it is 286. My LDH and Triglyc. are also very bad. Hope this info helps you.
 
Tweakette

Tweakette

Irrelevant
This is just food for thought and your body may not react like mine did, but when I went low-carb my cholesterol dropped by 70 points, from 228 to 153! And my triglycerides went from borderline high to 53.

The theory (which I now believe after seeing it myself in my own body) is that high insulin levels caused by insulin resistance and eating too many carbs causes systemic inflammation in the body, especially in the circulatory system. Cholesterol is then produced to patch the damaged blood vessels, causing the elevated levels.

So at least for some people the high cholesterol and triglycerides are symptom and not the root cause.
I currently eat more meat and cheese than I did when I ate low fat and my cholesterol was over 200, and my numbers are much better.

This guy says the same thing - interesting blog:
http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/

I also take a tablespoon full of cod liver oil (the good stuff, tasteless, called "Carlsons") every AM.

Sorry, I can't help with recovery from statins (my DH had the same problem and is now on low carb and it's having the same effect on his numbers that it did on mine). But maybe the above info might help you, if your body is wired like mine is.

Tweak
 
TheSearcher

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
DM, I'm so sorry you're having these issues. I'll be watching this thread ocassionally to see what other say, since I haven't a clue what to offer you in advice. I tend to distrust medications, though, in the sense that side effects seem to be very bad with some of them.

(On the lighter side, you might want to consider checking the spelling of the thread title, or the 'rection' you get to this line of inquiry might not be what you expected...)
 
Snipe Hunter

Snipe Hunter

Veteran Member
DustMusher said:
I have been on Crestor since my heart attack. About 3 weeks aqo I felt blah - put it off to pain from whiplas from car wreck, and depression - fighting with AllSnake.

By the next week I felt worse - very tired. By last week my leg and back muscles were so weak they would get shakey after walking for about 500 feet. THEN the light bulb went on, Statin Reacton. Cardiologist agrees. I am off any statins for the rest of my life - using niacin now.

I am taking CoQ10 at double dose, but still have no stamina. I am supposed to be working but can only do about 4 -5 hours at a time on a desk job. And can hardly walk by the time I get home.

Does anyone have any ideas for me to get back into a state where I can actually live my life?

Dm
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Hey ........remember statins almost killed me ( yes quite litterly ) get off them....

My dads muscle mass was wiped out by them & they ( statins ) helped make him bed ridden ......
 
kayakranger

kayakranger

Contributing Member
Time

I had the same reaction to Crestor. I am now able to get by taking a quarter tablet, I think about 1.25 mg. Anyway it takes time. It took me about a month to be clear of the adverse side effects.
 
Wise Owl

Wise Owl

Deceased
We have been hearing really good first hand reports on the radio about these. People taking them have tons of energy and their problems are going away. Other than that, I have no personal experience with them but I trust the people recommending them. Bob Chapman being one of them. He is constantly singing praises about them and he is in his 70's.

https://straussheartdrops.com/

I found lot's of places that sell them. I know the gov tried to shut him down but could not find anything wrong with them but the opposite to be true, that they work. People got them ok'd to sell again.

Hope this helps you DM.
 
fairbanksb

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
They put me on Lipitor just over a month ago. From what I gather it is a very high dose, 40mg. The only reaction I have is a little light headedness when I get out of bed, and it goes away pretty quickly. Next blood test is next month. Hopefully they will then lower the dosage.
 
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summerthyme

Administrator
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DustMusher... that's terrible... and all too common, I'm afraid. Damned doctors anyway.

You may want to consider trying hawthorne. It's a very mild "cardiac support" herb which works well on people who have congestive heart failure, but it's quite safe. (in people with normal hearts, it doesn't do anything, unlike something like Foxglove- digitalis- which can be very dangerous in the wrong hands)

As far as recovering from the statin damage, I'd say "tincture of time", plus plenty of good quality protein in your diet is going to mean the most. You may want to TRY an adaptogenic herb... "adaptogens" are still very poorly understood, as they don't work in any way that modern science understands! Somehow, they do what YOUR body needs them to do... amazing and very strange.

Ginseng is one, which has proven ability to increase the utilization of oxygen in the blood, increase stamina and improve the ability to build muscles in athletes. You do need to be aware that ginseng is a blood thinner, and you'd probably need to watch your clotting times if you are also taking any other medicine which is meant to thin your blood. There's only one warning I've been able to find as far as potential interactions, and I'll include it here: Ginseng has been found to interfere with the metabolism of drugs processed by an enzyme called cyp3A4. Ask your doctor to check if you are taking medications of this type.

Ginseng also seems to help athetes eliminate the lactic acid in their muscles faster after extended activity, and I wonder if that effect might help with the muscle damage from statins?

PM me if I can help.

Summerthyme
 
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Hurricanehic

Veteran Member
niaspan is good stuff. Generally taken at night. good compliment is folbic acid in am. My doc is a friend and cutting edge when it comes to taking good care of us.
 
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Norma

Veteran Member
No advice from me DustMusher, just prayers that you will find something else that will bring down your cholesterol and give your strength back.

Norma
 
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ceeblue

Inactive
It sounds like you are one of many who was terribly poisoned by that crap. It'll take some time to recover. Rest.

Cholesterol is natural. It is not a poison. Without it we die. High cholesterol levels are a symptom not a disease. I don't care what the doctors say, their medicine is more likely to kill you than the cholesterol.

There's good herbal advice on this thread. Do your research and start slow. Everyone is different. I do best getting my herbs down as food and tea, as the capsules are usually too much. But I'm the size of a normal 13 year old child.

Look at anti-inflammatory herbs for a supporting role. I've been reading talk that cholesterol levels rise in response to inflammation damage in the blood vessels. That makes sense that the body would grease up irritated blood vessels.

I've also ran across some talk that some doctors are predicting an avalanche of Alzheimer's disease as a result of this broad lowering of cholesterol levels through poisoning the body with statins.

As always, for general everyday health care, we're better off avoiding the doctors and, instead, looking at what we eat and the use of herbs as a natural supplement our table fare, which used to be much more varied as we ate a wide variety of greens, roots, fungi, vegetables and fruits, and natural meat and fish.
 
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Burntfish

Inactive
Magnesium...as much as you can tolerate orally. Also soak in tub with Epsom salts. Your skin will absorb the magnesium.

A book by renowned cardiologist called "The Sinatra Solution". It recommends using Coq-10, L-carnitine and D-ribose. The book is well worth reading. He talks about many of his patients completely recovering using his protocol.

Lots of good oils...i.e. fish oil, flax oil, walnut oil other Omega-3 oils.

Vitamin E...the natural kind d-alpha NOT dl-alpha which is synthetic and doesn't work well.
 
rafter

rafter

Since 1999
ceeblue said:
It sounds like you are one of many who was terribly poisoned by that crap. It'll take some time to recover. Rest.

Cholesterol is natural. It is not a poison. Without it we die. High cholesterol levels are a symptom not a disease. I don't care what the doctors say, their medicine is more likely to kill you than the cholesterol.

There's good herbal advice on this thread. Do your research and start slow. Everyone is different. I do best getting my herbs down as food and tea, as the capsules are usually too much. But I'm the size of a normal 13 year old child.

Look at anti-inflammatory herbs for a supporting role. I've been reading talk that cholesterol levels rise in response to inflammation damage in the blood vessels. That makes sense that the body would grease up irritated blood vessels.

I've also ran across some talk that some doctors are predicting an avalanche of Alzheimer's disease as a result of this broad lowering of cholesterol levels through poisoning the body with statins.

As always, for general everyday health care, we're better off avoiding the doctors and, instead, looking at what we eat and the use of herbs as a natural supplement our table fare, which used to be much more varied as we ate a wide variety of greens, roots, fungi, vegetables and fruits, and natural meat and fish.
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Where can I find out more about what herbs will help. DH just had a blood test and his cholesterol is 900+!!! I am worried sick!!!!
 
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ceeblue

Inactive
rafter said:
Where can I find out more about what herbs will help. DH just had a blood test and his cholesterol is 900+!!! I am worried sick!!!!
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Wow, that is high.

Sorry, I just remembered some stuff from browsing around and haven't been saving information. My numbers used to only run between 275 and 400 something. I ticked off the doctors when I told them I'd rather die of a heart attack than live long enough for them to torture me to death with cancer treatment. (family history for both) Statins made Mother sick, so she quit taking them after just a couple weeks and I never will.

This is my favorite herbal link. Register for the Herbal List there and you will find plenty of discussions and information on cholesterol. The list used to be on Usenet, but she took it private because of trolls and spam.

http://www.henriettesherbal.com/

See her Links page for other sites which include herbal schools. Cholesterol is a subject that comes up often on the Herb List and is well documented on the major sites you can easily access from her Links page.

Sometimes a doctor is necessary for cholesterol control. It's always best to consider all options. Very few things are always true when it comes to our health. Any cure can be poison to some.
 
Karnie

Karnie

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ceeblue said:
Look at anti-inflammatory herbs for a supporting role. I've been reading talk that cholesterol levels rise in response to inflammation damage in the blood vessels. That makes sense that the body would grease up irritated blood vessels.
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Turmeric has shown a tremendous reduction in inflammation - and it bears repeating to see www.myheartbook.com

I do not have any stake in that site
 
ainitfunny

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Everything I have read says statins have long term influence and it will take you a long time to shake off the adverse reaction consequences after you STOP taking them.

I wish I could be more positive but I have found nothing encouraging AND I TOO AM GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING. I too am taking Turmeric 95% CURCUMIN 500mg twice a day to help with it.
 
WFK

WFK

Senior Something
DM,
I had what you have.
In a few weeks you will see a marked improvement. Give it at least a couple of months to fully clear out.
COQ10 did nothing for me, so just give it time to go away.
And I feel for you because it is quite depressing to get into that physical state!
 
nharrold

nharrold

Inactive
DustMusher said:
I have been on Crestor since my heart attack. About 3 weeks aqo I felt blah - put it off to pain from whiplas from car wreck, and depression - fighting with AllSnake.

By the next week I felt worse - very tired. By last week my leg and back muscles were so weak they would get shakey after walking for about 500 feet. THEN the light bulb went on, Statin Reacton. Cardiologist agrees. I am off any statins for the rest of my life - using niacin now.

I am taking CoQ10 at double dose, but still have no stamina. I am supposed to be working but can only do about 4 -5 hours at a time on a desk job. And can hardly walk by the time I get home.

Does anyone have any ideas for me to get back into a state where I can actually live my life?

Dm
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I had a similar reaction, with a lot of muscle pain. Just stopped taking the statin, and eventually the problems diminished. Took about four months to regain what I'd lost.
 
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Observer999

Inactive
Snipe Hunter said:
Hey ........remember statins almost killed me ( yes quite litterly ) get off them....

My dads muscle mass was wiped out by them & they ( statins ) helped make him bed ridden ......
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YOU NOT ONLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION ... YOU JUST SAVED YOUR OWN LIFE!

Statin-class drugs are some of the most heinous drugs ever created! But, very profitable ... who cares if they kill ya?

If anyone would do just a little research into these drugs, what they will find is truly frightening. Start HERE!!!!!!

:dstrs:
 
rafter

rafter

Since 1999
ceeblue said:
Wow, that is high.

Sorry, I just remembered some stuff from browsing around and haven't been saving information. My numbers used to only run between 275 and 400 something. I ticked off the doctors when I told them I'd rather die of a heart attack than live long enough for them to torture me to death with cancer treatment. (family history for both) Statins made Mother sick, so she quit taking them after just a couple weeks and I never will.

This is my favorite herbal link. Register for the Herbal List there and you will find plenty of discussions and information on cholesterol. The list used to be on Usenet, but she took it private because of trolls and spam.

http://www.henriettesherbal.com/

See her Links page for other sites which include herbal schools. Cholesterol is a subject that comes up often on the Herb List and is well documented on the major sites you can easily access from her Links page.

Sometimes a doctor is necessary for cholesterol control. It's always best to consider all options. Very few things are always true when it comes to our health. Any cure can be poison to some.
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Thanks for the link, I will check there. His Dr. say its genetic, and gave him a prescription that we need to fill. I want to check all options and get it down or figure out if something else is causing it.
Thanks.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
DM, think a bit about liver support. My pharmacist was concerned when they had me on a low dose statin and high dose Niacin, as the combo was not good for my liver (according to him). We watched for adverse reactions and I had none....

The usual basic recomendation I have heard for liver support is Milk thistle.

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J

Just Plain Mom

Rockin' the Ozarks
night driver said:
DM, think a bit about liver support. My pharmacist was concerned when they had me on a low dose statin and high dose Niacin, as the combo was not good for my liver (according to him). We watched for adverse reactions and I had none....

The usual basic recomendation I have heard for liver support is Milk thistle.

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Yes. I've been taking a low dose statin for several months with no side effects that I know of. The doctor was concerned about my liver, so I've been taking Milk Thistle. Test results all good--liver results even better than before (when they were good). I also take 100 mg CoQ10.

I think I'll look into Hawthorn and Turmeric.
 
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Y2kO

Inactive
DebiJoy: You need to change what you eat: lifechange. Use coconut oil for frying. Avoid any and all other oils, except olive oil for salads, including soy, canola and corn which are all GMO, hydrogenated poison. Eat natural with very little frying. Eat a raw carrot and apple per day. Use Niacin to reduce chloresterol, if necessary.

DustMusher: Some people react as you have to statins and end up permanently disabled. I would use IP-6 to attempt to restore energy and Quercetin to reduce muscle inflammation. IP-6 acts as a chelator. This is what helped my husband who needed months to recover from statins. Keep up the CoQ10.
 
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gunnersmom

Veteran Member
Lipitor and other statins killed my sister in law. She died last January. No one knew she had a "fatty liver" and the statins killed her liver. My husband was on lipitor about four years ago. He was almost crippled by the time I finally made the link. He had been to the doctor numerous times and the dumb shit put him on muscle relaxers and Lord only knows what else (I can't remember now) to counteract the effects of the lipitor. Only thing was, he never took him off the lipitor, so I did, when I finally realized what was going on.

I truly believe my hubby would be an invalid or worse by now if someone (me) hadn't overruled the doctor.

As late as last February, doc put him on yet another statin. My husband actually took some of them! And within days, the same thing started happening.:sht:

Run, don't walk away from that poison. You will get better. And I think Tweak made some very good points.
 
Tundra Gypsy

Tundra Gypsy

Veteran Member
Here is a paragraph from the below website:

The most common side effect is muscle pain and weakness, a condition called rhabdomyolysis, most likely due to the depletion of Co-Q10, a nutrient that supports muscle function. Dr. Beatrice Golomb of San Diego, California is currently conducting a series of studies on statin side effects. The industry insists that only 2-3 percent of patients get muscle aches and cramps but in one study, Golomb found that 98 percent of patients taking Lipitor and one-third of the patients taking Mevachor (a lower-dose statin) suffered from muscle problems.3 A message board devoted to Lipitor at forum.ditonline.com (update 09 JUL 2007: reader alerted us the forum is now defunct) contained more than 800 posts, many detailing severe side effects. The Lipitor board at www.rxlist.com contains more than 2,600 posts (click on Message Boards at upper left and then choose Lipitor; also note that as of 09 JUL 2007 there are 3,857 messages).

The test for muscle wasting or rhabdomyolysis is elevated levels of a chemical called creatine kinase (CK). But many people experience pain and fatigue even though they have normal CK levels.4

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/statin.html
 
DustMusher

DustMusher

Inactive
Thanks for all the advice -- I have been doing a lot of 'follow the link'.

Have a list of suppliments - I did take the lab test for elevated CPK, and that was normal - so I don't have the Dx of Rabdo...just the symptoms.

This whole thing SUCKS! (sorry for the language)

I will hang in there - just wish I could get it together and get to moving....

DM
 
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