ALERT FBI warns of potential terror attacks on public buildings

eXe

Techno Junkie
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/06/1501940.aspx

The FBI and Department of Homeland Security today issued an analytical "note" to U.S. law-enforcement officials cautioning that al-Qaida terrorists have in the past expressed interest in attacking public buildings using a dozen suicide bombers each carrying 20 kilograms of explosives.

Authors with the U.S. Office of Intelligence and Analysis added that they have "no credible or specific information that terrorists are planning operations against public buildings in the United States." The FBI and DHS analysts said they were releasing the note because "it is important for local authorities and building owners and operators to be aware of potential attack tactics."

According to the note obtained by NBC News, a "recently discovered audio recording of al-Qa‘ida training sessions conducted several years ago provides instruction to potential suicide terrorists on seizing a publicly accessible building and damaging or destroying it with explosive charges."

Among the materials on a CD–ROM seized earlier this year by Belgian authorities and provided to Interpol, the note said, "is a detailed audio explanation by now-deceased senior al-Qa‘ida operative Yousef al-Ayeeri of a method taught in an al-Qa‘ida training camp for attacking a publicly accessible building. Interpol believes the Arabic-language recording was made shortly before al-Ayeeri’s death in 2003."

Saudi security forces killed al-Ayeeri in 2003.

The Audiotape:
The FBI and DHS said al-Ayeeri's audiotape walks potential suicide bombers through the following scenario:

"Once a target is selected, al-Ayeeri recommends assembling a team of 12 individuals, each armed with an assault rife and grenade and carrying approximately 20 kilograms of explosives. The attackers are to storm the building, seal off escape and access points, and occupy it long enough to set and detonate their explosive packages. Al-Ayeeri stressed the importance of carrying out these steps before law enforcement can respond, even if notified early in the attack. He assumes the attackers will be killed during the operation," the FBI note said.

The instructional audiotape continued:

"Al-Ayeeri believed attackers would be able to enter many publicly accessible buildings easily with little or no resistance from often poorly trained and lightly armed or unarmed security guards, and that an explosion from inside the building would be particularly effective."

In the unclassified report, the analysts added that, "if each of the 12 attackers’ 20 kg charge is combined into a single large bomb, it would have more explosive power than the truck bomb used in the 1983 Beirut Embassy attack. Terrorists to date have not conducted attacks on public buildings using the full range of tactics covered in al-Ayeeri’s training."

Since 9-11, the FBI and DHS have issued hundreds of similar warnings and bulletins to law-enforcement officials, cautioning them about potential terrorist attacks. Critics have said that some of the scenarios seem implausible, including warnings about teams of scuba-diving bombers and terrorists' use of prosthetic devices that would allow women to hide explosives in devices “that mimic the look of a pregnant woman.” Law enforcement officials have responded that there's a need for aggressive intellience sharing--one of the lessons learned the hard way after the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
I swear to you. Three hours ago I was just thinking that if something "terroristic" happens now I will fully believe that the gov't is behind it.

The stock market is crashing, we're in a recession, banks are closing, people are pulling their money out of the banks and the stock markets, people are being laid off left and right. And the gov't people (POTUS down through Congress) know we are mightily pissed off over their bailout. So. What would change all that?

A new attack. Someone to blame other than the gov't. Whip out your flags and rally round the country while the gov't "keeps us safe". True to form - we're not happy with the way the gov't is running us into the ground so all of a sudden here it comes: "Be afraid. Be very afraid".

Eyes wide open here.

Besides. Think about it. If you are a terrorist - why would you even bother at this point? We're imploding on our own, thank you very much.
 
I swear to you. Three hours ago I was just thinking that if something "terroristic" happens now I will fully believe that the gov't is behind it.

The stock market is crashing, we're in a recession, banks are closing, people are pulling their money out of the banks and the stock markets, people are being laid off left and right. And the gov't people (POTUS down through Congress) know we are mightily pissed off over their bailout. So. What would change all that?

A new attack. Someone to blame other than the gov't. Whip out your flags and rally round the country while the gov't "keeps us safe". True to form - we're not happy with the way the gov't is running us into the ground so all of a sudden here it comes: "Be afraid. Be very afraid".

Eyes wide open here.

Besides. Think about it. If you are a terrorist - why would you even bother at this point? We're imploding on our own, thank you very much.

Oceania Has Always Been At War With Eastasia.

War is Peace.

Though, when your enemy is on the edge of the cliff, you don't walk away, you give 'em a nice big PUSH. ;)
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
I swear to you. Three hours ago I was just thinking that if something "terroristic" happens now I will fully believe that the gov't is behind it.

The stock market is crashing, we're in a recession, banks are closing, people are pulling their money out of the banks and the stock markets, people are being laid off left and right. And the gov't people (POTUS down through Congress) know we are mightily pissed off over their bailout. So. What would change all that?

A new attack. Someone to blame other than the gov't. Whip out your flags and rally round the country while the gov't "keeps us safe". True to form - we're not happy with the way the gov't is running us into the ground so all of a sudden here it comes: "Be afraid. Be very afraid".

Eyes wide open here.

Besides. Think about it. If you are a terrorist - why would you even bother at this point? We're imploding on our own, thank you very much.

Playing with that scenario, and assuming that it was a ground attack, and likely as not, not one isolated attack but a couple, you'd have panic in the big cities, followed in "fly-over country" not so much a jingoistic patriotism, but a steely eyed one; the view that an "Arc Light" mission into likely bastions in Pakistan and supporting regimes is only a warm-up.
 

Saundria

Contributing Member
Playing with that scenario, and assuming that it was a ground attack, and likely as not, not one isolated attack but a couple, you'd have panic in the big cities, followed in "fly-over country" not so much a jingoistic patriotism, but a steely eyed one; the view that an "Arc Light" mission into likely bastions in Pakistan and supporting regimes is only a warm-up.

And I can see this type of scenario helping McCain recapture the lead again.
 

Watchingbear

Senior Member
I am not saying that nothing will happen, certainly we will have more attacks, but isn't it strange how the threats always increase just before a national election?
 

kozanne

Inactive
... If you are a terrorist - why would you even bother at this point? We're imploding on our own, thank you very much.

Because while we may implode, they want to destroy us. A finishing blow, if you will. Do you really think they are not watching what's going on and waiting for the opportune time? The Middle Eastern mindset is one that does not forget anything or leave anything undone.

Remember 9-11? They didn't finish their job, did they? Think they forgot that somehow?????
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
Because while we may implode, they want to destroy us. A finishing blow, if you will. Do you really think they are not watching what's going on and waiting for the opportune time? The Middle Eastern mindset is one that does not forget anything or leave anything undone.

Remember 9-11? They didn't finish their job, did they? Think they forgot that somehow?????

I'm just saying. Beforehand.

Remember our gov't's motto. "Be afraid. Be very afraid."
 

kozanne

Inactive
I am not saying that nothing will happen, certainly we will have more attacks, but isn't it strange how the threats always increase just before a national election?

Underestimating the irrhabis proved quite fatal in the months/days/weeks/ leading up to 9-11. Remember Spain, the Madrid Bombings? Remember WHY they did it?

They wait for the weakness to be exposed, then they strike. The irrhabis are NOT stupid people, but we are if we are thinking of them that way.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Because while we may implode, they want to destroy us. A finishing blow, if you will. Do you really think they are not watching what's going on and waiting for the opportune time? The Middle Eastern mindset is one that does not forget anything or leave anything undone.

Remember 9-11? They didn't finish their job, did they? Think they forgot that somehow?????

That same mindset is also present in the U.S. culture. Just ask the former Axis Powers.
 

Desperado

Membership Revoked
What freaking BS.
If anything happens..... anything
its this regimes fault.
How many years now have they been telling us...6? 7?
They have told us, we have been fighting terrorist in Iraq for 7 years, while all the time leaving our borders open. Billions of dollars spent , cities bomb, terrorist captured and we are no safer here now that 7 years ago.
Guess what, if anything happens then all that money, all those lives have been for naught and Bush's strategy will be proven a complete failure.
 

NoPlugsNM

Deceased
Just this morning a friend and I were discussing the possibility of suicide bombers becoming an issue here in the US. Kind of eerie to now see that the FBI is warning about this possibility.

IF this kind of stuff starts happening, I could see the citizens taking GREAT steps against the muslims or anyone who appears from the ME. These people (the terrorists) do not know what kind of a US citizen response they would see take place, it would be a bloodbath.

WE all have to remember that the terrorists do many things with symbolism at the root. The 9-11 attack on the Twin Towers was a blow to the world's financial/trade center. It certainly spoke to the fact that terrorism wanted to let the world know that it's finances/trade was a target. At this time we are seeing all the world's financial bases collapsing. On one of those many tapes from Osama Bin Laden, he made reference to not firing a shot but would bring the world to it's knees financially. As I look at all the current events it seems as though OBL's threat has become a reality. OBL and his co-horts are ALL very wealthy Saudis. Could they have been the money bait that has been driving manipulations that have led to where we are today?

NP
 

Wowser

Inactive
What freaking BS.
If anything happens..... anything
its this regimes fault.
How many years now have they been telling us...6? 7?
They have told us, we have been fighting terrorist in Iraq for 7 years, while all the time leaving our borders open. Billions of dollars spent , cities bomb, terrorist captured and we are no safer here now that 7 years ago.
Guess what, if anything happens then all that money, all those lives have been for naught and Bush's strategy will be proven a complete failure.

Amen, Desperado!

OPEN BORDERS = GEORGE BUSH TRAITOR!!!
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Authors with the U.S. Office of Intelligence and Analysis added that they have "no credible or specific information that terrorists are planning operations against public buildings in the United States."
 

nharrold

Inactive
I swear to you. Three hours ago I was just thinking that if something "terroristic" happens now I will fully believe that the gov't is behind it.

The stock market is crashing, we're in a recession, banks are closing, people are pulling their money out of the banks and the stock markets, people are being laid off left and right. And the gov't people (POTUS down through Congress) know we are mightily pissed off over their bailout. So. What would change all that?

A new attack. Someone to blame other than the gov't. Whip out your flags and rally round the country while the gov't "keeps us safe". True to form - we're not happy with the way the gov't is running us into the ground so all of a sudden here it comes: "Be afraid. Be very afraid".

Eyes wide open here.

Besides. Think about it. If you are a terrorist - why would you even bother at this point? We're imploding on our own, thank you very much.

Geez...I think the gummint should make about 20,000 military troops available to guard those public buildings...and maintain order, doncha know....and maybe it would be a good idea to close the banks for a few days...or a week or so...and then we could.....
 

Desperado

Membership Revoked
The 911 terrorists came into your country legally on visas. Closed borders would not have prevented that attack.

Just sayin.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersc582

Let's clarify that.
They did come in legally, even though a few were on a terrorist watch list.
Now however, we have our beloved Homeland Security which didn't exist before 9/11. You know that vaulted organization that was to combine all those separate agencies that didn't share information before 9/11. Now they are all one happy group reporting to a single source. So there should be no more fracking excuses.

The one thing I never could understand was after the complete failure of our security for 9/11, not one person was fired or even reprimanded for that security lapse.
 

zealotbat

Senior Member
What freaking BS.
If anything happens..... anything
its this regimes fault.
How many years now have they been telling us...6? 7?
They have told us, we have been fighting terrorist in Iraq for 7 years, while all the time leaving our borders open. Billions of dollars spent , cities bomb, terrorist captured and we are no safer here now that 7 years ago.
Guess what, if anything happens then all that money, all those lives have been for naught and Bush's strategy will be proven a complete failure.

I have bad mouthed Desperado many times….but I stand by his side on this. They have left us vulnerable here at home for a long time. Not saying that they have not done good surveillance and such. Just plan physical border security is pathetic.
 

KateCanada

Inactive
You would expect things to be very different today Desperado, but I'm sure there are still holes in the system. I mean, you still let in immigrants right! Or, it could be domestic terrorism, how many Muslims live in your country? We had that almost happen to us up north here.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...03/terror_analysis_060603/20060604?hub=Canada

Just saying, I don't think some should immediately blame Bush right off the bat. I don't think it will matter who you have in office, this threat will always be there just because our enemies live within. Sadly.
 
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