GOV/MIL Britain to Spy On Every Call, Email and Text

Saundria

Contributing Member
Scarey...and sounds like the book 1984. This kind of "Big Brother" surveillance may be coming our way soon....

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/britain_spying_emails/2008/10/06/137846.html

Monday, October 6, 2008 5:10 PM

By: Tim Collie


A top secret program being developed by British spymasters soon may allow them to snoop on every computer, text message and phone call in the United Kingdom, according to plans revealed this week.

The program — called the Interception Modernization Program — is part of a $20 billion effort being pushed by GCHQ, the government’s secret eavesdropping agency, according to the Times of London. It would easily be the largest surveillance system ever created in Britain, and quite possibly any Western democracy.

The British already have a sophisticated closed-circuit TV (CCTV) system that covers large metropolitan areas of the country. The linked system of cameras with full pan, tilt, zoom and infrared capability allows continuous surveillance in central business districts.

Tens of thousands of other cameras available to the police operate in phone booths, vending machines, buses, trains, taxis, alongside motorways and inside automatic teller machines. Using a technology called automatic number plate recognition (ANPR), the system can store license plate numbers into databases to determine the movement of suspect cars.

Now the country’s two major spie services, MI-5 and MI-6, want to carry that capability into mobile phones and computers, reported the Daily Express of London. The goal is a “live tap” on every electronic communication in Britain. Critics say it will dwarf CCTV, ANPR and literally record the data usage of every person in the U.K.

The nation’s spy bosses have told British officials that a system is needed to “capture” the array of communications between terrorists planning to attack Britain. Draft emails, chatroom discussions and internet browsing on encrypted jihadist websites are the preferred forums for al-Qaida cells to plan their attacks. They make up “friendship trees” in which separate terror cells communicate with one another.

British conservatives and civil libertarains are especially concerned over the ethical implications of granting such power to government agencies with little oversight.

“This would be a massive infringement of human rights,” conservative councillor Jacky Fletcher told reporters.

“I am all in favor of policing and I believe there do need to be special measures in place to track terror suspects,” Fletcher said. “But those measures already exist. You can get court orders to track messages and other things for limited periods of time.”

There are 18 million broadband internet connections in the United Kingdom, while 57 billion texts and three billion emails are sent each year.

In the UK, telephone and internet companies must give details of calls or Web use to law enforcement agencies if a senior officer certifies that it is needed for an investigation. For the security services, a minister must give approval; for the police, a chief constable.

In the United States, meanwhile, obtaining permission to tap is harder. The government requires a special order approved by FBI officials to demand data on telephone calls and internet use. To intercept communications, the FBI needs a court order.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
How big of a contract for storage media is that going to run?!?! Heck, no wonder they don't have any money for their military!
 

Grantbo

Inactive
This has been going on in the US for a LONG time now. I live just a few miles away from the Echelon listening station at the Yakima Firing Range. Its just one of 2 in the US that listens to everything. I heard they placed it here since most sats pass over us. You should see the surrounding hills, they are like forests of comm towers. I heard that when it was built each of its 5 underground levels was built by a different contractor.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Gee, when I tell you guys about this ahead of time it is announced to the public there are a whole mob of you ridiculing me and telling me how impossible it would be, how much impossible storage it would take and how EVERYONE would have to be employed in surveilling everyone else, and how "the government wouldn't CARE about what I wrote or said to my daughter, husband, friend, enemy, neighbor, etc."


I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO WHEN THEY REALLY IMPLEMENTED IT. BILL GATES ANNOUNCED IT AT A MEETING OF THE NEWSPAPER REPORTERS ASSN. AND SAID "DO WE REALLY WANT THIS KIND OF WORLD?" He said there should be a public discussion BEFORE such a program begins but it never caught the attention of the public because the reporters there under reported GATES message, minimizing what was said. But nobody listened and the authorities did not admit what they had been doing all along till just now. NOW they are just updating their equipment and programs.
 

Saundria

Contributing Member
This has been going on in the US for a LONG time now. I live just a few miles away from the Echelon listening station at the Yakima Firing Range. Its just one of 2 in the US that listens to everything. I heard they placed it here since most sats pass over us. You should see the surrounding hills, they are like forests of comm towers. I heard that when it was built each of its 5 underground levels was built by a different contractor.



Thanks for your post, Grantbo. Sounds like it's already here...only incognito to the majority of us.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Gee, when I tell you guys about this ahead of time it is announced to the public there are a whole mob of you ridiculing me and telling me how impossible it would be, how much impossible storage it would take and how EVERYONE would have to be employed in surveilling everyone else, and how "the government wouldn't CARE about what I wrote or said to my daughter, husband, friend, enemy, neighbor, etc."


I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO WHEN THEY REALLY IMPLEMENTED IT. BILL GATES ANNOUNCED IT AT A MEETING OF THE NEWSPAPER REPORTERS ASSN. AND SAID "DO WE REALLY WANT THIS KIND OF WORLD?" He said there should be a public discussion BEFORE such a program begins but it never caught the attention of the public because the reporters there under reported GATES message, minimizing what was said. But nobody listened and the authorities did not admit what they had been doing all along till just now. NOW they are just updating their equipment and programs.

I'm definitely not one to ridicule you. I heard about Carnivore and Echelon back in the mid-90s. But the deal then was that we'd spy on the UK give them the info and visa versa. Now no middle man.
 

Saundria

Contributing Member
Gee, when I tell you guys about this ahead of time it is announced to the public there are a whole mob of you ridiculing me and telling me how impossible it would be, how much impossible storage it would take and how EVERYONE would have to be employed in surveilling everyone else, and how "the government wouldn't CARE about what I wrote or said to my daughter, husband, friend, enemy, neighbor, etc."


I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO WHEN THEY REALLY IMPLEMENTED IT. BILL GATES ANNOUNCED IT AT A MEETING OF THE NEWSPAPER REPORTERS ASSN. AND SAID "DO WE REALLY WANT THIS KIND OF WORLD?" He said there should be a public discussion BEFORE such a program begins but it never caught the attention of the public because the reporters there under reported GATES message, minimizing what was said. But nobody listened and the authorities did not admit what they had been doing all along till just now. NOW they are just updating their equipment and programs.


Aintitfunny, thank you. You knew exactly what was happening a long time ago...and you were right!!! :applaud:

You know, what I've been realizing here lately is that the deception veil is lifting...more truths are becoming main stream...the book has been opened, so to speak, and now no one can deny what has actually been happening, right under our nose.
 
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