WTF?!? CDC: 'Every' Child, Elderly Must Get Flu Shot

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427162,00.html

CDC: 'Every' Child, Elderly Must Get Flu Shot
Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Far too few Americans get their flu shots each winter, the government is warning as it calls for a record number to line up for inoculations this year — including 30 million more school-age children.

This year promises an ample vaccine supply: 143 million to 146 million doses, more than ever before manufactured.

"It's a fact that the influenza vaccine saves lives," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Add up everyone the CDC recommends get vaccinated, and 261 million Americans qualify. Yet last year, just 113 million of the 140 million doses produced were used.

And new CDC data released Wednesday show just a fraction of those at highest risk from influenza's seasonal march across the country get protected. Flu kills about 36,000 Americans a year and leads to about 200,000 hospitalizations.

Just 72 percent of people 65 and older were vaccinated in the 2006-07 flu season, the latest data available — even though Medicare pays for their doses. That's well short of the government's goal to be vaccinating 90 percent of this age group by 2010.

Roughly one in five children under 2 got vaccinated that winter.

Anyone who has a chronic illness such as asthma or heart disease, or a weak immune system, is in special need of vaccination as well. But the new data shows just over a third of young adults with those conditions, and half of 50- to 64-year-olds, comply.

A closer look shows where people live greatly influences their flu protection. Young adults are least likely to get vaccinated in Florida, while Rhode Island does the best job at vaccinating seniors. As for babies and toddlers, fewer than one in 10 in Mississippi are getting fully vaccinated compared with nearly half in Rhode Island.

In addition to those people, the CDC this year for the first time is recommending that virtually every child age 6 months to 18 years be vaccinated, unless they have a serious egg allergy.

Why the change? Although children under 5 are more likely to be hospitalized, healthy school-age children have higher rates of flu than other age groups. Plus, research increasingly shows that youngsters are key spreaders of influenza to the rest of us.

Also on CDC's get-vaccinated list: anyone 50 or older, women who will be pregnant during flu season, health care workers, caregivers and relatives of the high-risk.

Choices include standard flu shots, for all ages, and the nasal vaccine FluMist, which can be used in healthy people age 2 to 49.

An increasing variety of places are offering vaccination beyond the usual doctors' offices, health departments and grocery stores. With CDC's encouragement, more schools are scheduling flu-vaccination days, some with free vaccine.

And a Robert Wood Johnson-funded program called Vote & Vax will offer vaccine at numerous polling places on Election Day.

Voting isn't required, and the vaccine provider is supposed to charge the same price it would any other day, at any other location. The idea: The convenience of avoiding an extra stop might encourage more people to get vaccinated.

It's not clear how many polling places will participate. But during a pilot project on Election Day 2006, some 13,790 doses were administered at 127 polling places in 14 states — and nearly 30 percent of the recipients said they hadn't gotten vaccinated the previous year.
 

Breeta

Veteran Member
Everytime I get the flu shot, I get sick. And I usually get the flu shot (they give them free at work). I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess.

I don't think it should be mandatory, but I do agree that people who fit that certain criteria "should" be vaccinated or at least educated about the vaccine and given the opportunity to make an informed choice.
 

brandyh29

Inactive
HELL NO!! Not my kids.

My 8 & 10 yr olds have never gotten a flu shot and they have been just fine thank you.

:rolleyes:
 

KerryAnn

Inactive
NO THANKS. I'm already mercury toxic and having to go through medical treatment to get the mercury out of my body. Adding more mercury from a flu shot doesn't sound appealing.
 

Lee Penn

Inactive
In my experience, the flu shot works

I will take the flu shot, without hesitation.

My experience is clear:
- Till 1986, I got the flu at least once every winter; every sub-variant of the stuff that was going around got to me.
- I began getting the shot in 1987, after being diagnosed with asthma. Since then, I have only gotten the flu 2 or 3 times, probably because the vaccine did not cover the bug that went around that winter.
- In the first few years, I might have gotten a sore arm for a day or so, but nothing worse than that. And in recent years, there has been no reaction at all.

I recommend getting the shot, unless you are in one of the groups (i.e., those who are allergic to eggs) that are specifically told NOT to get it.

Lee
 

CarolynA

Veteran Member
I almost died from the flu in 1983 and have gotten flu shots every year since. I've never had a problem with the shots. If someone else in the house gets a bad flu bug the worst that will happen to me is that I get mildly sick for a day or 2 & nothing that would put me in bed - nothing like what I went thru before!

I am pretty much the first one in line to get my shot every year.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I haven't had the flu in 25+ years. The only time I got the flu shot was in late 1999, when Y2K was impending, and I wanted to make sure I was covered. Of course, we also got booster vacs for everything at that time as well.
 

LXF71

Inactive
I had one flu shot back when I was in the military. Forced of course. I was SIQ four 4 days. Up to that point I hadnt had the flu since I was in grade school. I dont ever remember being as sick as I was from that flu shot.

Another big scam as usual. Only immune comprimised people need the flu shot. Little kids arent.
 

SarahLynn

Veteran Member
The one time both my husband and mother-in-law got their flu shots they both GOT the flu that year, and it was bad. For years my husband never took the shot til one year at work they offered it free. He'll never do it again, and I've never had it and been just fine. The kids have never gotten it and see no need to.
 

Moggy

Inactive
I am not about to put toxins in my healthy body and no one should be able to force a fully mentally functioning elderly, or otherwise, person to partake of said poison. I wonder how those who are so willing to force this garbage on others would feel if someone forced something on them that they held in contempt?

Moggy
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
DD has such a range of problems including respiratory, that she and the other kids all get the shot every year---we've never had side effects and she has escaped influenza (so far) although one sibling got the flu---once. DH won't get it because he rarely gets sick anyway and I can't have it.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
My grandmother nearly died from the Swine Flu shot/Gilliam Barre syndrome fiasco in the 70s. So when I hear this kind of announcement my threat radar goes off with the first question of "what do they know that they aren't telling us?" and "is that all that is in the vaccine?".
 

momof23goats

Deceased
we don't get them. Every time my dh got one he got really sick, and usually ended up in the hospital. so I had him to stop getting them, guess what , no more flu.
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
I have NEVER had the flu shot.. and I don't get the flu.

I may get a cold here and there.. but never the flu.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist type person.. but with them PUSHING this flu shot more and more every year, I'm starting to wonder just what is in these flu shots.
 

dlmom5

Contributing Member
Oklahoma is pushing flu shots big time this year. I have already received 3 pamphlets on it in the mail this past 7 weeks. I must be on some list since I had a baby last year.

My kiddos and DH got the shot one year and my DH ended up in ICU in critical condition and the same day two of my kiddos came down with 104 fevers.:sht: That was the only year my kiddos ever got the flu vac but they have not and will not ever get the vaccine again.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
ACCORDING TO HUGH FUDENBURG, MD - the world's leading immunogenetisit and 13th most quoted biologist of our time (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals) - If an individual has had 5 consecutive flu shots between 1970 - 1980 (the years of the study) his/her chance of developing Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no shots. When asked why Dr. Fudenberg stated that it is due to the mercury and aluminum buildup that is in EVERY flu shot (and in almost all childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. ALZHEIMERS is now expected to QUADRUPLE.

Dr. Fudenberg's comments are from his speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington VA September, 1997.
Alzheimers to quadruple statement is from the John's Hopkins Newsletter of November 1998.
 

Jennysmama

Inactive
I'd had the flu twice--once when I was 18 and again at 35--then, when I was 50 and in cancer treatment, my doctors insisted that I get a flu shot because of my weakened immune system. Having just been through two different chemo regimens and the side effects thereof, I was not wild about the possibility of getting the flu and getting sick again, so I got the shot. I still got the flu and was so sick I had to postpone some of my treatment. My doctors still suggest the flu shot every fall, but I refuse. They don't push it anymore.
 

BoatGuy

Inactive
I haven't had the flu in 25+ years. The only time I got the flu shot was in late 1999, when Y2K was impending, and I wanted to make sure I was covered. Of course, we also got booster vacs for everything at that time as well.

Same here, with the exception that I've never had a flu shot... and I've never had the flu in recent memory... In fact, at 44, I don't remember ever having the flu.

But, if CDC is promoting the shots so rabidly, and if you put on your tin foil hat for a sec, might this not be a case of "we know something you don't know"?

Just a thought...
 

Woolly

Inactive
It has been our experience that everyone that we know that took the flu shot in the last several years, including my wife, became seriously ill with the flu.

I have declined to take the flu shot, and have never had the flu. I had a bad cold about 7 years ago.

I will continue the practice of not taking part in the annual parade to the flue shot.

Woolly
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's exactly what's been going through my mind ever since I first read this story Boatguy.

Why is the CDC so rabid to get everyone immunized? I start to wonder if this is how they intend to get rid of the 'useless eaters' that being anyone in the 'child and elderly' catagory.

My brother and I had the Hong Kong flu in the late '60's and it was so bad I still remember like it was yesterday how I felt and I can still hear my brother saying, "I really really thought I was going to die" and I was so shocked to here that and I knew he meant it literally at the time but I will never ever get a flu shot. Ever. V
 

WriterMom

Veteran Member
NO thank you! We have Sambucol, which worked wonderfully last year in shortening the duration of the flu for my children. They were over it in a matter of three to four days and it was very mild (and I'm 99% sure it was influenza, as my dh and I had it and were miserable - we didn't have enough Sambucol for all of us, so we gave it to the kids). But, in spite of the misery, I've only had the flu a grand total of 3 times in my life, so it is not one of my more pressing concerns.

I am continuing to stock up on Sambucol for the coming flu season.

Writermom
 

SIRR1

Inactive
flu shots

I have been purchasing flu vaccine for 20 plus years now and have
2000+ doses in stock ready for this years campaign.

Yes there are pros and cons for getting the shot, some people get a slight case of the flu after the injection, and I am one of those people.

Each year a day or two after the injection I feel like crap.

But I then go the entire flu season without getting the full blown flu, it's been years since I have had a bad case of the flu.

And thats why I get the shot!

I don't want to end up in mid January in the emergency room at 10:00 pm with 400 people all dying from respitory complications and all needing emergency care to save their life.

It's just not worth not getting the shot IMHO.
 

Warandra

Membership Revoked
I have been purchasing flu vaccine for 20 plus years now and have
2000+ doses in stock ready for this years campaign.

Yes there are pros and cons for getting the shot, some people get a slight case of the flu after the injection, and I am one of those people.

Each year a day or two after the injection I feel like crap.

But I then go the entire flu season without getting the full blown flu, it's been years since I have had a bad case of the flu.

And thats why I get the shot!

I don't want to end up in mid January in the emergency room at 10:00 pm with 400 people all dying from respitory complications and all needing emergency care to save their life.

It's just not worth not getting the shot IMHO.

Later in the season, a couple of years ago, AFTER I had already had my flu shot, I got the worst case of the fu I had ever had in all my life. So, if you don't mind, please keep your shots to yourself, people.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
I have had the flu shot and always got sick as a dog in bed for a week then came down with it anyway later on.....

That was before I figured out what was in the shots. NO WAY will I EVER get another vax of any kind. Not even tetnus. Last one of those I had, I couldn't raise my head for a week. I slept in a recliner for 7 days! I have never hurt like that ever and I will NEVER get one of those either.

You all who think this poison is good for you, go ahead. You can have mine and my hubby's as he won't take them either. I refuse to be injected with mercury, thank you very much!
 

The Freeholder

Inactive
Pass. The last two I got I spent a week each in an Army hospital. Never had one since, and I've had the flu 3-4 times in the 30 years since.
 

fruit loop

Inactive
I do have a reaction to all vaxes, but the flu SUCKS. I have COPD, and if I get the flu, I get bronchitis or pneumonia.

I didn't get the vax for years and got the flu every year. Had it for Christmas three years in a row. The last time was in 1992, and I laid in bed, miserable, and thought, "I have had ENOUGH of this shit." I got the flu shot the next year.

The last couple of years they guessed wrong, and I got the flu...and bronchitis. That last round in February was horrid. Hopefully they'll get the vax right this year.

Carolyn, I remember that 1983 flu. That was some of the nastiest crap I've ever had. I coughed up green goop for over a month.
 

georgia101

Veteran Member
I get my flu shot every year and have never had a problem. I won't go without them. I had a really bad case of the flu years ago, before the shots were available. I never want to go through that again.
 

Straycat

Veteran Member
Every time I have gotten the flu shot, a month or two later I ended up getting the full-blown flu, the worst I ever have as an adult. Every. Single. Time. When I don't get the shot, I either don't get sick or I get a very mild version. It seemed like the shot made me MORE susceptible to influenza, not less. So I'll pass on it, thank you kindly.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
I get a yearly flu shot and have never had a problem with it. I'll be getting a pneumonia vax this year, too, even though I'm not 65 yet.

Influenza opens the door for some very deadly types of pneumonia.
 

flaJeff

Inactive
I've gotten sick everytime that I've had the shot. The last time I received the shot was back in 1995, our infection control nurse kept arguing with me that it was impossible for the shot to make me sick and therefore I should take it. I did. Two days later I was back in her office sick as a dog. She checked me out, apologized and then told me I had the flu.

She stopped hounding me to get the shot after that. Fortunately, I don't get sick much, and if I feel a cold coming on I simply take an Airborne and am good to go.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
I have been purchasing flu vaccine for 20 plus years now and have 2000+ doses in stock ready for this years campaign...........

Ok, let's do the math. Only one dose is required per year, per person. That means you have enough vaccine to last 2,000 years? I don't know of anyone who will live to be that old. Who do you plan on giving these to?

A dose of vaccine that you got last year may not be relevant to the type of Flu going around this year. So what was the point in saving all that?

I don't know, but when I read this, it just sounded creepy. Maybe I read it wrong. Are you with a hospital that is going to give this out?

MM
 

Scotsman

Inactive
Get the vaccine? You could still get sick.

Aye, if ye get the vaccine ye could still get the flu. How?

The vaccine only works against ONE STRAIN of the flu.

There are thousands of strains.... You want to get the shot? Sure, probably not a bad idea; just don't be a :sheep: and think you can't get sick now.

JMHO, FWIW
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"The vaccine only works against ONE STRAIN of the flu."

If you get sick right after getting the vaccine I'd be inclined to think there's a cause-and-effect. If you get the vaccine in October and get a major hit of influenza in February, it's a whole lot more likely that it's a different strain that what you were vaccinated against, than that the vaccine "gave you the flu" which didn't show up for months.

A lot of people who "got the flu anyway" and not right after vaccination probably got hit with a different strain.
 
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