ECON CNN reports on Americans bartering

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
This is a very good thing. Shows that there are still some Americans out there who are smart and resourceful and who CAN survive during adversity. A few less Americans being DGI sheeple.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/09/02/bartering.rise/index.html

(CNN) -- Miriam Brown has always wanted to visit Cape Cod, but when she recently began to plan a trip and found out she would have to pay $200 or more a night for lodging, her dream vacation seemed out of reach.


Miriam Brown and her husband bartered their services for room and board on Cape Cod.

1 of 2 Brown, who lives in New Orleans, Louisiana, is an accountant. Her husband is a home renovations contractor.

Like many people dealing with a soft real estate market and high food and gas prices, they just don't have that kind of extra cash for a trip.

"I have traveled a lot in prior years, but after [Hurricane] Katrina, there's just no money for traveling," Brown said.

So she still plans to go, but she won't spend any cash at all on lodging.

Brown has joined the growing ranks of Americans who are bartering -- trading goods and services without exchanging money -- as a way to cope with tough economic times.

Brown posted an ad in the barter section of the online community Craigslist last month, offering to trade her accounting skills and her husband's knack for home repairs in exchange for room and board on Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

She has lots of company.

There were some 142,000 listings in the barter section of Craigslist in July, or almost double the number posted during the same month last year, according to Craigslist spokeswoman Susan MacTavish Best.

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"When the economy turns unfriendly, Craigslist users become far more creative to get their everyday tasks done," Best said.

Swapping 'to get by'

Other Web sites that put Americans in touch with like-minded people who are willing to trade everything under the sun have also seen a boost in traffic. SwapThing, which lists almost 3.5 million "things" available for trade, reports its customers are bartering for different reasons than before.

"I think a few years ago it was more for fun," said Jessica Hardwick, SwapThing founder and CEO.

"But we've seen a real shift in the last year, and especially an increase in the last few months, where I think people are really doing it to get by."

Some of the most popular items to trade for late this summer were school uniforms, which some parents found they could not afford to buy for their children, Hardwick said.

Experts aren't surprised Americans are becoming more financially creative during an economic downturn.

Dealing with the economy
• 67 percent of consumers have haggled in recent months, compared with 33 percent in 2006



• 61 percent of consumers now regularly use a shopping list, compared with 35 percent last fall


• 70 percent of shoppers now look primarily for "the deal" in the Sunday inserts, compared with 51 percent last fall



Source: America's Research Group
"Historically, when times get tough, you see a 50 percent-plus increase in bartering as a way for people to be able to buy things or get things and do it economically," said C. Britt Beemer, chairman of America's Research Group.

The company talks with thousands of consumers every week to gauge their spending habits and attitudes.

A couple of years ago, many Americans had $500 to spend at the end of the month, but that money has evaporated because of rising prices, Beemer said.

"We've never had a time, at least in my lifetime, where you have food and fuel going up at the same time. So it isn't a question of buying things, it's a question of buying nothing," Beemer said.

Breast implants and a horse

Businesses have long recognized the benefits of bartering, and there are hundreds of barter networks set up across the country to fill their needs.

They use barter credits as currency, so a plumber in need of a filling doesn't need to search for a dentist's office with plumbing problems to make a deal. He can fix a leaky pipe for one member of a network and use the credits he earned for that job at any other.

Since all kinds of companies are members, the trades can be all over the map, said Michael Krane, president of Green Apple Barter Services in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. His company has brokered everything from breast implants to college tuition to a horse.

"Really, there are no limits to it. We trade for just about anything you can think of," Krane said.

Bartering on this scale is also robust in tough economic times. Krane said his exchange has seen a 20 percent rise in barter transaction volume in the first six months of this year.

A longtime client is Thomas Forrest, an orthodontist in suburban Pittsburgh who barters his services for everything from office improvements to stationery. His practice hasn't been affected by the economic downturn, Forrest said, but some of his patients seem glad to be able to visit him under the barter arrangement.

"I think if you have a business owner who has children in need of braces, I sense a gratitude that that's available," Forrest said.

Barter exchanges must carefully document all trades, since the Internal Revenue Service considers income from bartering as taxable. However, a barter exchange "does not include arrangements that provide solely for the informal exchange of similar services on a noncommercial basis," according to the IRS.

In New Orleans, Brown and her husband are getting ready to go to Cape Cod after finding a taker for her bartering offer on Craigslist. The couple will work five hours a day in exchange for staying in "a beautiful three-bedroom house right in the center of it all," Brown said.

"We can do a lot more if we don't have to pay for room and board," she added.
 

Nuthatch

Inactive
All well and good, but be careful: the IRS requires you to report it as income. See IRS.gov for details.

Don't shoot the messenger.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
Doh!

That may be so, but it would seem difficult for them to audit such a situation though. Not condoning anything, just an observation.
 

compchyk

The Computer Chyck
IRS can prove it only if someone's wearing a wire.....

However because my mechanic is only charging me for parts and as a friend I give him:

15 tubes toothpaste
10 tooth brushes
5 boxes dishwasher stuff
15 tubes deodorant

and other sundries is no one else's damned business!!!!!!!

(coupon freebies)

The Compchyk
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Folks in Maine, barter all the time. It's a way of life up here. I did it back in Michigan too. Why not? Saves cash for both parties. If you have something to barter with go for it. There is always someone who needs what you don't.
 

pixmo

Bucktoothed feline member
I love bartering, especially with the folks around my neighborhood.

Everyone has their own currency. One of mine is pond scum :D

For example, I do alot of lake raking to keep one area of some wetlands on our property clear so we can fish. The weeds and pond scum make EXCELLENT fertilizer; our plants kick butt and our yields are amazing.

One neighbor noticed this and also noticed that I wasn't using everything that I was raking out; he said that he'd take the rest off of my hands in exchange for plowing out my driveway in the winter.
 

cory

Inactive
And if the grabblement demands their share...

Everyone has their own currency. One of mine is pond scum :D

One neighbor noticed this and also noticed that I wasn't using everything that I was raking out; he said that he'd take the rest off of my hands in exchange for plowing out my driveway in the winter.

You'll what? Give them 20% of your pond scum?
 

fruit loop

Inactive
I've been bartering for pine straw, especially after so much came down in Tropical Storm Hanna.

Find a neighborhood with trees, tell them you'll rake the yard for free if they'll let you have the pine straw. Saving me $4 per bale.
 

Nuthatch

Inactive
Before you slap me upside the head for supporting the government: I have a small business and write-off the freebies I trade, therefore I have to report the "income" recieved. This is actually fine with me as the deals are often worth hundreds of dollars and documented.

That is way different than the fact that I got the neighbor started on his chickens for free because he gave me firewood....and then I borrowed his tools and he gave me some vegetables and we both chicken-watch for each other. And on and on.
 

saveamerica

Veteran Member
All well and good, but be careful: the IRS requires you to report it as income .. Don't shoot the messenger.
yeah right. "watch out" for the evil IRS. i stopped paying federal income taxes over 9 years ago .. like i'm really gonna "worry" about not reporting any bartering i might do??

i'm not shooting the messenger here .. just trying to curtail you from further 'warning' people about possibly breaking 'the law' (God forbid!). i've got two words for the irs .. and it aint LOVE YOU. if you're honestly worried about these scum you might as well just sign over the rest of what little money they let you have after fleecing you each year and live on the streets.

LIVE FREE OR DIE
 

fruit loop

Inactive
It's worth asking if they'll barter. "Woman's Day" had an article about it several years ago. One woman gets free medical care from her pediatrician by catering his house parties.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
Great way to dodge taxes!!!!

Not just sales taxes, but redistributionist income taxes too!!!!

:ld:


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Nuthatch

Inactive
Yeah Fruit Loop, I have a friend who is an orthodontist who traded braces for a family oil painting portrait.

It is all about what it is worth to you.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
IMHO, the IRS is a Constitutionally illegal entity, so what they do only makes me rebel more.

I think the barter system is one of the last bastions of hope for a decaying way of American life. When it all falls apart, what will we have left for commerce other than reverting back to traditional forms of exchange?
 

saveamerica

Veteran Member
does anyone here live in a community that uses barter 'IOUs', or have experience with a barter system? i was wondering how people determine the value of their services relative to barter 'dollars'? the orthodontist example was great!

if a community doesnt have such a system underway well before the dollar collapses i'd say it would be impossible to set up afterwards.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
IMO, the IRS is more likely to go after a bartering system which is set up with credits and records than it is to go after, or even know about, the veggie swap you make with the fellow next door.

Keep it simple.
 
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