To all you "dirty liberals" and "worthless neocons"...

Sysman

Sysman

Old Geek <:)=
You just don't get it. Look at this place, thread after thread, O vs M, B vs P, and what about H, and look at what W did to the country, and, no, screw that, look at what C did before that...

Thread after thread of people, all members of this forum, in a word, telling each other to f off, you're an idiot...

You just don't get it. I figured that maybe, since the owner of this forum uses a sheep that looks at a D to the left, then at an R to the right, as his sig line, I figured maybe some of you would get it. That's OK, I've been wrong before...

What a waste of energy. We're fighting each other, when we should be fighting that stinking, corrupt, worthless, dirty in so many ways, thing called the ESTABLISHMENT, aka - the TWO PARTY SYSTEM.

D=R, R=D, they both stink. I can't stand either O or M - the "best of the best" that we can come up with??? We're so screwed...

This country is in dire need of a revolution. The only way that will happen is at the ballot box. We (note we as WE THE PEOPLE) need to say enough of this crap! We need to say "none of the above", or "Ron Paul", or write-in whoever you want --- Just find a way to not vote for either of the 2 "popular" idiots...

Until we do that, on a large scale, nothing will change, we will just continue to screw ourselves, again and again, first to the right, the roll over and do it to the left, on and on, election after election...

Yea, go ahead, call it a "wasted vote". At least I'm being honest, at least I'm "making my point". Can you truthfully say that, or are you just picking the "lesser of 2 evils"???

I figured there was some hope here at TB2K, but at this rate, I'm about ready to say beam me up Scotty, there is no sign of intelligent life here...

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Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some of us do get it, Sysman...


Republicrats and Democons....


They are just two groups controlled by the same political/financial interests -- just two groups of puppets that are used to "entertain" the masses and put up smoke and mirrors so we cannot see what is REALLY happening...
 
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whit45

Inactive
I'm on board!!! As many times as I see posts about "sheep" and DGI's, I think some people need to take a look in the mirror.
 
Sysman

Sysman

Old Geek <:)=
"Decaf"
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AKA, an ice cold Heineken Dark when I get home, or maybe 2...

Speaking of staying awake, I do need to show up at work tomorrow, so, like, later man...

Have fun, kids...

Where's that darn sheep...

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dstraito

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Standing on Principle

I respectfully disagree. I was where you are thinking I would vote my conscience and then get the "Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul" T-Shirt.

Now I believe that is a copout. I've thought a lot about this and my mother's saying keeps coming back to me. "Cutting off your nose to spite your face."

If standing on principle allows the worse of two candidates to be elected then I believe you are aggravating the problem instead of helping with a solution.

Yes, in this 2 party system both candidates have major flaws.

Another quote that comes to mind: "It's better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don't."

Since a write-in candidate does not really have a chance of winning I decided to look at how each of the party candidates stood on many issues I care about. If there was no significant difference between the two I would write in Ron Paul. When I did a little research one candidate favorably stood out on many of the issues meaning I believed that candidate would closer represent how I felt about them.

I would like a Constitutionalist to be in charge. I would like a reduced Government. I would like a million dollars to just be given to me.

Is that settling on a non-perfect, flawed candidate? Yes.

Can I still continue to support the Constitution party platform and ideas? Yes.

Hopefully it is a movement that will start to gain support and eventually everyone will come to their senses and come back to the Constitution of the United States of America.

I even tried to rationalize that it might be good if the worse candidate got in office. That way the Sheeple might come to their senses faster when they see how badly those policies affected our way of life.

I think the consequences though would be too severe. A combination of those fundamentally flawed policies could really wreck our future for decades to come and result in the fall of America to a nation with third world status.

Come November, I'm going to vote for the party that can best represent me. That may also be the party the will cause me the least grief and most certainly won't be the party I think that would be best for the country.

If I didn't vote for a viable candidate another expression comes to mind:

I'd just be pissing in the wind.

Below are some issues that I think are important. I've removed references to who is for what issue. I suggest that everyone pick some issues (not necessarily these, there may be others that are important to you) and do some research to see how the person they ARE going to vote is aligned on them. Also important to see how the viable candidates are aligned on those issues and what it will mean if one of those candidates gets elected.


2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

new drilling offshore US

judges who interpret the law not make it

Served in the US Armed Forces

Amount of time served in the US Senate

socialized national health care plan

abortion

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately

gun ownership rights

homosexual marriage

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase

making English the official language

Social Security benefits to illegals

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

DIVIDEND TAX

INCOME TAX

INHERITANCE TAX

NEW TAXES PROPOSED
 
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UncurledA

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You are right on, Sysman, but don't expect those who thrive on factionalism to get it. They see their redemption in being on the "right team", with the right leader. I continue to see the same people having your viewpoint, and the same people ferociously holding onto their party spirit. Beaming up seems a better use of time, more every day.

I will point out for any open-minded Bible believers reading this, the word that is translated "heresy" in the Bible is the Greek word for "faction" or "choose", and sometimes it is rendered "party spirit" in English. It is a work of the flesh, from Galations 5:20. Don't expect any team-building preachers to ever accept this or point it out.

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fairbanksb

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Exactly who is Ron Paul's VP pick? It might matter if he kicks the bucket or if the VP needs to cast the deciding vote in the Senate.:shr:
 
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VesperSparrow

Goin' where the lonely go
I don't get the ones (not just here) that just last week DESPISED McCain and now that the lovely babe Palin is on board they are for him...what's with that?
McCain will STILL be pres.
I think deep down some are even hoping McCain wins and kicks the bucket so Palin can step in.
Well hell, Chuck Baldwin runs on virtually the SAME principles as she so you may as well vote for CHUCK BALDWIN.

Whatever.
To each his own and all that.
I still won't be wasting my vote on either of the two MAIN tickets. To me that IS a wasted vote.
 
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Malleus

Inactive
Here here. I've been ruthlessly attacked by the neocons for going after Palin, being called a "dirty liberal" when in point of fact I'm extremely conservative. People of this ilk have fallen victim to the left-right Hegelian paradigm -- through which they are manipulated.

I was logging in to start a thread called: "Divide and Conquer: Fragmenting the Revolution".

I've come to realize that the intent with Palin is in fact to divide & conquer fragment the Ron Paul Revolution folks.
 
Wise Owl

Wise Owl

Deceased
Sysman, those who still buy into the established, "right/left" will NEVER get it. Even after 8 long years of Bush and 8 long years of Klintons, they don't get it.
In 2000 they voted the lesser and got worse, IMHO. And in 2004 again they voted lessor and got us hammered again with more.
Now because there is a pretty face as vp they think all is right with the world and mysteriously this face is somehow going to change things for the better.
Well they are whistling into the wind. It is NOT going to happen as long as the main person on the ticket is a globalist and we have one in each party this time.

So, do you vote for globalist #1 or globalist #2? Or do you finally smarten up and vote for someone who is a better man, not affiliated with the globalists and truly wants our country back out of the pockets of the globalists?

Like someone else said, there ARE other options. You never waste a vote when you vote for someone who actually is planning on going back to the constitution. You are just fooling yourself to think a pretty face is going to change anything.....

There's a sucker born every day. And we got a bunch of em on this board!
 
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Dozdoats

Deceased
Sysman,

TB isn't what it used to be, all right. Once at least a majority of members here actually 'got it.' Time has changed all that though.

I was amazed at 'the speech' from McCain last night. It was as if he hadn't been an active, leading member of the party he talked as if he were running against for the last however many years.

Amazing...

dd
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
dstraito said:
I respectfully disagree. I was where you are thinking I would vote my conscience and then get the "Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul" T-Shirt.

Now I believe that is a copout. I've thought a lot about this and my mother's saying keeps coming back to me. "Cutting off your nose to spite your face."

If standing on principle allows the worse of two candidates to be elected then I believe you are aggravating the problem instead of helping with a solution.

Yes, in this 2 party system both candidates have major flaws.

Another quote that comes to mind: "It's better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don't."

Since a write-in candidate does not really have a chance of winning I decided to look at how each of the party candidates stood on many issues I care about. If there was no significant difference between the two I would write in Ron Paul. When I did a little research one candidate favorably stood out on many of the issues meaning I believed that candidate would closer represent how I felt about them.

I would like a Constitutionalist to be in charge. I would like a reduced Government. I would like a million dollars to just be given to me.

Is that settling on a non-perfect, flawed candidate? Yes.

Can I still continue to support the Constitution party platform and ideas? Yes.

Hopefully it is a movement that will start to gain support and eventually everyone will come to their senses and come back to the Constitution of the United States of America.

I even tried to rationalize that it might be good if the worse candidate got in office. That way the Sheeple might come to their senses faster when they see how badly those policies affected our way of life.

I think the consequences though would be too severe. A combination of those fundamentally flawed policies could really wreck our future for decades to come and result in the fall of America to a nation with third world status.

Come November, I'm going to vote for the party that can best represent me. That may also be the party the will cause me the least grief and most certainly won't be the party I think that would be best for the country.

If I didn't vote for a viable candidate another expression comes to mind:

I'd just be pissing in the wind.

Below are some issues that I think are important. I've removed references to who is for what issue. I suggest that everyone pick some issues (not necessarily these, there may be others that are important to you) and do some research to see how the person they ARE going to vote is aligned on them. Also important to see how the viable candidates are aligned on those issues and what it will mean if one of those candidates gets elected.


2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

new drilling offshore US

judges who interpret the law not make it

Served in the US Armed Forces

Amount of time served in the US Senate

socialized national health care plan

abortion

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately

gun ownership rights

homosexual marriage

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase

making English the official language

Social Security benefits to illegals

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

DIVIDEND TAX

INCOME TAX

INHERITANCE TAX

NEW TAXES PROPOSED
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the Ron Paul true believers really ought to read your post again. well said.
 
Wise Owl

Wise Owl

Deceased
Smoke and mirrors, dd, smoke and mirrors...his speech was written for him. He was told what to say.

So happy that we don't have tv up here......so very, very happy. YUK.
 
Wise Owl

Wise Owl

Deceased
jed, I read it again. Didn't change my mind at all. I will NOT vote the lessor. Never again. My conscience will not allow it.
I did not vote for Bush or his major opponent. I take no blame for what has happened in our country due to either of them. I will not take blame this time either.
If you don't stand up this time, you may be kneeling before the next time comes around with a chain around your neck. This country has turned into a police state with the republirats in the highest office. A vote for either the dems or the repubs this time will only make it come faster.

Anyone thinking otherwise is only fooling themselves.....and the bait this time is a pretty face who is even more into the pockets of big oil........gag....
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
WO, i did vote for Bush twice. the thought of Gore or Kerry in the white house was all it took.

Bush has decidedly disappointed. as EVERY occupant of the white house will.

just his failure alone to deport all the Mexicans and "other than Mexicans" and failure to put up a fence at the Mexican border, borders on treason, or certainly, at least, Constitutional neglect.

but he finally put enough conservative judges on the SC, so that for the first time in history, the Supremes found a right for the individual to have and carry firearms, just as the Second Amendment declares. that passed by ONE vote. Would a Gore or a Kerry have put in a judge that would have voted that way? NO frigging WAY!

and without that fundamental right finally settled at the top, all the others were at risk also.

and would Kerry or Gore gone after islamic terrorists with the US military? no, they most certainly would not. we would still be on our knees at the UN asking for protection, for our socialist and arab "partners" there to "do something". in the meantime, we have encircled the core countries exporting terror to the world, and invested 8 full years to learning how to infiltrate, find, and TAKE DOWN one of the world's most dangerous movements.

the world will soon learn the sacrifices that must be made during a major action against a nation/ nations that threaten world/individual peace and freedom. when Iran finally is delivered from its illusions that it can export it's "Islamic Revolution" with impunity, the loss of oil-derived comforts will be enormous for awhile. but we will muddle through, because we have to. and our ancestors suffered worse, but for the same reasons: to insure that tyrants with a lock on our future don't defeat us through our own inaction.

we have become so used to having both "guns and butter" that nearly no one left alive remembers the sacrifices made during WWII, nor the fear that our parents experienced not knowing for sure whether they would win or be defeated. we have never known either those kind of sacrifices nor that kind of fear. but the intrinsic nature of suicidal terrorists wielding weapons of mass destruction place us all in existential danger. this is not a situation that can be tolerated or submitted to with appeasement. this is all-out "we MUST win" war and at least Bush understands that. looks like most of the rest of the country doesn't.
 
et2

et2

TB Fanatic
Some do get it. You have to pay better attention. We can still complain about either choice. It is amusing listen to both sides. Especially the so called starch repubs ... they are so hypocritical in support of a failure.
 
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armadillogray

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Whichever party gets in will be blamed for the financial disasters around the corner....the FED is bipartisan so it doesn't matter....whoever wins, gets the problems....the country has been broken for quite some time so it's really not Democratic or Republican fault, but a joint fault of all. All a logical person has to do is go over the budget with a calculator and watch the markets to realize it's legalized gambling.....

It's all a game.....sort of like "hot potato" but with a real nation....
 
Desperado

Desperado

Membership Revoked
fairbanksb said:
Exactly who is Ron Paul's VP pick? It might matter if he kicks the bucket or if the VP needs to cast the deciding vote in the Senate.:shr:
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He has no running mate since he is not on any ballot. In fact, Ron Paul himself says he is not running for President. The best we can do is see who he endorses for President.
 
Hfcomms

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Sure, things that McCain is saying now sound real good don't they?? The things we hate and despise like the free pass for the illegals and his abysmal record in support of the second amendment not to mention his cozying up to Hillary are almost forgotten now. Remember folks it's 'election season' the time when the politicians throw a bone to their base and tell you what you want to hear. But we all know what happens when they get in power don't we?? Back to business as usual. If any think that McCain is going to be any different when he's elected as he has been in the past then your deluded.

Not an ounce of difference in the core values of the Pubs/Dems no matter what they might spew during the election season. You would think that we would learn our lesson but we don't. Many voted for GWB because of his rhetoric during the build up to the elections. He sounded like a true Republican and a true conservative. Fiscal responsibility, minding our own business, leading through example, being respectful of other countries, ect. But it's all talk. If you want to know what a politician is really going to do then watch them when there is no election on the horizon and then you know.

Obama is a controlled globalist and McCain is a controlled globalist. Palin might not be as of yet but she will be. TPTB are not going to put anyone on the ticket for the highest office of the land unless they are either fully on board with the overall agenda or they have some weakness that can be exploited at any time in order to keep them in line. And anyway, whoever is in power after this election is going to preside over the greatest economic collapse this nation has ever seen. You know it and I know it so why pretend that someone McCain and Palin are going to get in and save us?? Even as much as I like Ron Paul and wish he could of gotten in it's simply too late to keep the train from jumping the tracks now.
 
Uncle Screwtape

Uncle Screwtape

Mumbler
I’m in a different position than most of you here. Living in Illinois, it will not make a lick of difference who I vote for in the presidential race. The Obomination will win here (if he doesn’t, that would mean he didn’t win a single state). So I am left with using my vote to make a statement. Should it be for McCain or a third party, I’m still trying to figure that out.

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, based on his ideals for government, they match mine. But now that he is out of the running, I will not write in his name. All write-ins, weather it is for RP, Donald Duck, or my cat Comet, will end up in the same pile and not count for anything.

For those who think a McCain vote is a vote for the lesser of two evils, I disagree. I honestly don’t think he is an evil man. Some here have inferred that ALL Republicans are neocon rat bastards, etc. FYI, Ron Paul is a Republican (like it or not), so your sweeping statements don’t hold up. I prefer to look at the individual and make my decision based on what I can find.

So over the next two months I will be looking at all of the candidates on the ballot and in the end I will vote for the man I agree with on the issues most important to me. It will definitely NOT be BHO, that is for sure.
 
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Dredge

Inactive
There are some whos job is to keep us devided

The rest are just to stupid to know the difference
 
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Fred

Middle of the road
Thread title said:
To all you "dirty liberals" and "worthless neocons"
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I myself am neither neocon nor liberal, yet both worthless and dirty.

But...I'm tired of voting for the person I dislike the least, and won't do it any more. Trying to decide whether I'd rather be constipated or have diarrhea is still about choosing, well, you know.
 
Sugaree

Sugaree

Inactive
Used to call myself a "broken glass Republican" (defined as one who would would crawl over broken glass to vote against a Democrat) but not anymore. As I said on another thread it's like peanut butter- you can choose creamy or crunchy but you're still getting peanut butter in the end.

I can see how easy it is for some to get swept up in the race, the competetion... a presedential election is like the superbowl, lots of drama & excitement on each side. The fact that you can't escape the endless publicity about it adds in to the fervor. Everyone wants to be on the winning team.

But as others have said in previous posts, in reality there is no longer any significant difference between the two main choices- hasn't been for years. And that is why I will be voting for 3rd party this time around. Sadly though, I think it is too late for this country.
 
kozanne

kozanne

Inactive
et2 said:
Some do get it. You have to pay better attention. We can still complain about either choice. It is amusing listen to both sides. Especailly the so called starch repubs ... they are so hypocritical in support of a failure.
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That statement right there leads me to believe you are anything but 'independent'. It is your recurrent theme. You allow people to draw only certain conclusions, and 'independence' is not one of them.

And frankly, I think being 'independent' at this critical junction in our history is a cop out. You made your choice, TO DO NOTHING. So, when you get nothing, you have no one to blame but yourselves. Someone else on this thread said something on the order of 'don't blame me'. And that's the whole deal in a nutshell, accept no responsibility or position in helping to make this country better, REGARDLESS OF WHICH ONE YOU VOTE FOR. It's a cop out.
 
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Sysman, G-d love ya,
I just got one word to say to you.....

"Decaf".
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/or detox...:rolleyes:
 
Aardaerimus

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
Right you are, man.

People easily buy into the fabricated "issues", and get sucked into rooting for a "team", when they SHOULD be concerning themselves with the rapid decay of the constitutional liberties that made this a unique nation, worthy to defend.

Now, we've become EVERYTHING our forefathers fought and died to withdraw from. But all we care about are the "teams" that we didn't even really get to choose - but, rather, were chosen FOR us - the powerful, wealthy, elite of our society who will govern us and tell us what's best for us, generation after generation. There are 400 million plus people in this nation and you're telling me that this is the best leadership we can find? BULL$#!T!!! It's always same same people, from the same rich families, belonging to the same elite organizations... It's never some regular Joe who has gained a name through real accomplishment - because he can't afford it, or he's not in the right circles.

And the worst part of it all is that the PEOPLE are too stupid to figure it out, and the ones that do figure it out are ridiculed and.or demonized.

There will NEVER be "change" until the establishment dies. It's a cleverly devised, self-perpetuating systemic cycle that will not end until the nation is either destroyed entirely, else the people wise up and realize that the path to true CHANGE is THEIR burden, and no presiding president can or will bear it.
 
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cousin vinny

Contributing Member
"Dirty Liberals" and "Worthless Neocons"

Sysman said:
You just don't get it. Look at this place, thread after thread, O vs M, B vs P, and what about H, and look at what W did to the country, and, no, screw that, look at what C did before that...

Thread after thread of people, all members of this forum, in a word, telling each other to f off, you're an idiot...

You just don't get it. I figured that maybe, since the owner of this forum uses a sheep that looks at a D to the left, then at an R to the right, as his sig line, I figured maybe some of you would get it. That's OK, I've been wrong before...

What a waste of energy. We're fighting each other, when we should be fighting that stinking, corrupt, worthless, dirty in so many ways, thing called the ESTABLISHMENT, aka - the TWO PARTY SYSTEM.

D=R, R=D, they both stink. I can't stand either O or M - the "best of the best" that we can come up with??? We're so screwed...

This country is in dire need of a revolution. The only way that will happen is at the ballot box. We (note we as WE THE PEOPLE) need to say enough of this crap! We need to say "none of the above", or "Ron Paul", or write-in whoever you want --- Just find a way to not vote for either of the 2 "popular" idiots...

Until we do that, on a large scale, nothing will change, we will just continue to screw ourselves, again and again, first to the right, the roll over and do it to the left, on and on, election after election...

Yea, go ahead, call it a "wasted vote". At least I'm being honest, at least I'm "making my point". Can you truthfully say that, or are you just picking the "lesser of 2 evils"???

I figured there was some hope here at TB2K, but at this rate, I'm about ready to say beam me up Scotty, there is no sign of intelligent life here...

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Ditto:
We have a fascist government regardless of who ever get elected. All incumbents that run for re-election should be voted out of office.

The problems of the nation cannot and will not be addressed or solved by current leaders and their maligned way of thinking. We desperately need new blood and a change in thinking!

We are at a tipping point the perfect storm energy, economy, wars and national debt all coming to a head at the same time.

Most will not risk arrest to take their grievance to the street. The government knows this and plans accordingly!

If a catastrophe occurs, maybe the populace wakes up, maybe! Barring that, we are all screwed big time!

Hundreds or thousands will not help we need millions of people acting together, to take back the country!

It is simply delusional thinking to assume that McCain or Biden for that matter are agents of change both are career politicians and have held office for more than 25 years! These guys and their buddies help cause the problems we now face.

There are some really smart people on this board look past the crap and open your eyes and see the world as it is. And not the way you wish it to be!
 
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intothatgoodnight

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kozanne said:
I think being 'independent' at this critical junction in our history is a cop out. You made your choice, TO DO NOTHING.
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Or, perhaps they chose to vote for a third party.

So, when you get nothing, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
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Perhaps "nothing" is what they wanted -- but instead, they got the ongoing bank crisis caused by insider regulators looking the other way for far too long, the tab for a HUGELY expensive "war" with no end in sight, the Patriot Act, the TSA, the DHS, open southern borders with HOARDES of illegals pouring across, daily, ongoing talk and tacit support for the NAU, ZERO national energy policy, tax-payer supplied subsidies designed to lower elderly prescription costs, huge tax-payer supplied monies poured into the Department of Education -- etc.

Someone else on this thread said something on the order of 'don't blame me'.
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When one holds their nose and votes the "lessor of two evils," one is ENABLING the problems that manifest as a result of that vote -- i.e., the status quo.

I presume that you would graciously accept responsibility for President Bush's too numerous-to-mention policy failures and other disasters that now plague this country, being a McCain supporter?

And that's the whole deal in a nutshell, accept no responsibility or position in helping to make this country better, REGARDLESS OF WHICH ONE YOU VOTE FOR. It's a cop out.
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Wholly incorrect.

It is more properly called an exercise in critical thinking and mature/seasoned discernment, disallowing the masterful distractions of charismatics and lipsticked chickmates (thanks for this apt description).


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Observer999

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Sysman

Thank YOU! For finally posting something POL that says it all!

You're right ... I'm afraid we're screwed, but maybe that will result in REAL CHANGE albeit REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE! Alittle housecleaning every 200 yrs. is needed and we're long overdue!

Although I might not make it through, at least I have a better chance now to protect my family before I'm in a wheelchair wishing I could get back some of my (now defunct) social security benefits to buy another can of beans!
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Troke

Deceased
"...But as others have said in previous posts, in reality there is no longer any significant difference between the two main choices- hasn't been for years. And that is why I will be voting for 3rd party this time around. Sadly though, I think it is too late for this country..."

Al Gore/John Kerry been the POTUS, we'd had a completely different SCOTUS, the Heller decision would have stated that the DEECEE gun laws were perfectly constitutional, and you would have seen all kinds of other decisions along that line.

Big difference.

And if Obama gets in for 8 years, he will stack the courts for a generation and he will enfranchise for voting a whole bunch of folks who can't vote now. That will put the Demos in power for the next generation or more.

So you folks that are going for Bob Barr to teach the Stupid Party a lesson are just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
Hansa44

Hansa44

Justine Case
:applaud::applaud:

Sysman, I agree with you completely and have started threads much like this one. I either got shot down or very few bothered to respond.

I'm really disappointed in the men in this country because as usual they are thinking with their crotch again. And women are thinking with their own egos.

I've said repeatedly, Sarah Palin is simply window dressing to get McCain in and it's working. Once McCain is in Palin will disappear just like Cheney and all the rest.

I am NOT for Obama! But at least he's running on his own merits and not behind the skirts of some woman.

Ron Paul could actually win if enough wrote him in but we know that won't happen.
 
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Tennessee gal

Veteran Member
Hfcomms said:
Sure, things that McCain is saying now sound real good don't they?? The things we hate and despise like the free pass for the illegals and his abysmal record in support of the second amendment not to mention his cozying up to Hillary are almost forgotten now. Remember folks it's 'election season' the time when the politicians throw a bone to their base and tell you what you want to hear. But we all know what happens when they get in power don't we?? Back to business as usual. If any think that McCain is going to be any different when he's elected as he has been in the past then your deluded.

Not an ounce of difference in the core values of the Pubs/Dems no matter what they might spew during the election season. You would think that we would learn our lesson but we don't. Many voted for GWB because of his rhetoric during the build up to the elections. He sounded like a true Republican and a true conservative. Fiscal responsibility, minding our own business, leading through example, being respectful of other countries, ect. But it's all talk. If you want to know what a politician is really going to do then watch them when there is no election on the horizon and then you know.

Obama is a controlled globalist and McCain is a controlled globalist. Palin might not be as of yet but she will be. TPTB are not going to put anyone on the ticket for the highest office of the land unless they are either fully on board with the overall agenda or they have some weakness that can be exploited at any time in order to keep them in line. And anyway, whoever is in power after this election is going to preside over the greatest economic collapse this nation has ever seen. You know it and I know it so why pretend that someone McCain and Palin are going to get in and save us?? Even as much as I like Ron Paul and wish he could of gotten in it's simply too late to keep the train from jumping the tracks now.
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HFcomms, what you have written makes me sad, but in my heart I believe it is true.
 
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Sysman said:
This country is in dire need of a revolution. The only way that will happen is at the ballot box. We (note we as WE THE PEOPLE) need to say enough of this crap! We need to say "none of the above", or "Ron Paul", or write-in whoever you want --- Just find a way to not vote for either of the 2 "popular" idiots...

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My clan and I are still going to write-in Ron Paul. We like Palin; but McCain is just a piece of shit, with his amnesty hopes and everything else. He's no American, in my view. Obama, of course, is even worse.

So, screw it...we're writing in Ron Paul.

(Note: many years ago, I wrote to the Electoral Commission and recommended that a "none of the above" option be included on every ballot. That would give the disaffected citizens a chance to be counted and preclude the electee from claiming a "mandate". They never bothered to respond...)
 
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Troke said:
"...But as others have said in previous posts, in reality there is no longer any significant difference between the two main choices- hasn't been for years. And that is why I will be voting for 3rd party this time around. Sadly though, I think it is too late for this country..."

Al Gore/John Kerry been the POTUS, we'd had a completely different SCOTUS, the Heller decision would have stated that the DEECEE gun laws were perfectly constitutional, and you would have seen all kinds of other decisions along that line.

Big difference.

And if Obama gets in for 8 years, he will stack the courts for a generation and he will enfranchise for voting a whole bunch of folks who can't vote now. That will put the Demos in power for the next generation or more.

So you folks that are going for Bob Barr to teach the Stupid Party a lesson are just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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. . . vs. the last eight years of President Bush, which have brought us:

• an ongoing bank crisis (TRILLIONS of losses) caused by insider regulators looking the other way for far too long;

• the tab for a HUGELY expensive "war," with no end in sight;

• the Patriot Act;

• the TSA;

• the DHS;

• open southern borders with HOARDES of illegals pouring across, daily;

• ongoing talk and tacit support for the NAU;

• ZERO national energy policy;

• tax-payer supplied subsidies designed to lower elderly prescription costs;

• huge tax-payer supplied monies poured into the Department of Education.

Interesting list -- ALL ACTUALLY occurred during the Bush presidency -- not presuming or guessing, here, Troke, as you did when you hypothesized an outcome of a Gore or Kerry presidency.

The REALITY is -- NEITHER mainstream party has the people's best real interests at heart -- rather, BOTH are pursuing two slightly different paths towards their common globalist goal.


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Used to call myself a "broken glass Republican" (defined as one who would would crawl over broken glass to vote against a Democrat) but not anymore. As I said on another thread it's like peanut butter- you can choose creamy or crunchy but you're still getting peanut butter in the end.

I can see how easy it is for some to get swept up in the race, the competetion... a presedential election is like the superbowl, lots of drama & excitement on each side. The fact that you can't escape the endless publicity about it adds in to the fervor. Everyone wants to be on the winning team.

But as others have said in previous posts, in reality there is no longer any significant difference between the two main choices- hasn't been for years. And that is why I will be voting for 3rd party this time around. Sadly though, I think it is too late for this country.
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